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Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359454/30024/11]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 15:12, 15th March 2025
 
Unfortunately those sets have to be back in position for the start of service Monday morning. So how do they get back and with what drivers?

DPM - "Dense Passenger Mode" - why "have to"?   Why are there direct trains at 30 minute intervals from Plymouth to London from 04:54 to 08:35 with two of them being overtaken by others on the way?  I can appreciate the need for a good flow of trains off the B&H into London and they will be busy - but I always imagined them to come off Laira / Longrock in such droves to "feed" busyness further in for operational reasons more than for capacity out there at 5 in the morning!   Why not start the ones that are overtaken in passenger service from - say - Taunton on Mondays that the line though Totnes is close on the Sunday?

The timetable planners and those who make the running decisions both long term and short term plans are the only people that can answer those questions.

I just drove the trains that I was rostered or instructed to.

Re: Ferries across waterways - whether by vehicle, foot or both (merged posts)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [359453/3662/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:02, 15th March 2025
 
From the BBC:

Divers assess crack in hull of new Glen Sannox ferry



Divers are inspecting the new Glen Sannox following the discovery of a crack in the ship's hull.

The brand new vessel only began operating in January after being delivered almost seven years late and costing more than four times the original contract price.

All of the Glen Sannox's Saturday sailings have been cancelled while the MV Alfred will operate an additional service.

CalMac said it would provide an update on Sunday's sailings once a dive team had carried out a full assessment.

The ship had been operating for just over two months between Troon in South Ayrshire and Brodick in the Isle of Arran.

The vessel was removed from service on Friday after a crack was found on a "weld seam close to the waterline".

The ferry operator said reports that the boat had hit the harbour or that water was leaking into the car deck were "categorically untrue".  However, CalMac advised that a "very small amount of water" had entered part of the rear of the ship near the steering gear.

Additional sailings have also been added between Lochranza in Arran and Claonaig in the Kintyre peninsula.  The operator said all passengers should have a booking prior to arriving in Troon, adding that those who had not booked could not be guaranteed travel.

Divers from Shearwater Marine Services arrived at the port on Saturday morning.

A decision about Sunday's sailings will be taken later, the operator said in a statement on its website.  It added: "We apologise for the disruption, and our port teams and customer engagement centre will be working hard to contact affected customers."

The Glen Sannox has space for 127 cars and 852 passengers.

(Article continues)



Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359452/30024/11]
Posted by grahame at 13:49, 15th March 2025
 
Unfortunately those sets have to be back in position for the start of service Monday morning. So how do they get back and with what drivers?

DPM - "Dense Passenger Mode" - why "have to"?   Why are there direct trains at 30 minute intervals from Plymouth to London from 04:54 to 08:35 with two of them being overtaken by others on the way?  I can appreciate the need for a good flow of trains off the B&H into London and they will be busy - but I always imagined them to come off Laira / Longrock in such droves to "feed" busyness further in for operational reasons more than for capacity out there at 5 in the morning!   Why not start the ones that are overtaken in passenger service from - say - Taunton on Mondays that the line though Totnes is close on the Sunday?

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359451/30024/11]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 13:02, 15th March 2025
 
I find myself looking at this

Newton Abbot area – weekend of 15/16 March
Track renewal work will affect trains via Newton Abbot.

Trains for London Paddington or Bristol Temple Meads and beyond will run to/from Newton Abbot on Saturday, then Exeter St Davids on Sunday.

Other trains will still run between Penzance and Plymouth on both days, plus between Paignton and Newton Abbot on Sunday.

Replacement buses are planned between:

Tiverton Parkway and Plymouth (non-stop) – both days
Newton Abbot and Plymouth – Saturday
Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot/Plymouth – Sunday

And find myself wondering if the number of trains running via the Berks and Hants is reduced, and if a couple of IETs from Longrock have moved onto the connected network to help out into South Wales.

Unfortunately those sets have to be back in position for the start of service Monday morning. So how do they get back and with what drivers?

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359450/30024/11]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:00, 15th March 2025
 
I find myself looking at this

Newton Abbot area – weekend of 15/16 March
Track renewal work will affect trains via Newton Abbot.

Trains for London Paddington or Bristol Temple Meads and beyond will run to/from Newton Abbot on Saturday, then Exeter St Davids on Sunday.

Other trains will still run between Penzance and Plymouth on both days, plus between Paignton and Newton Abbot on Sunday.

Replacement buses are planned between:

Tiverton Parkway and Plymouth (non-stop) – both days
Newton Abbot and Plymouth – Saturday
Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot/Plymouth – Sunday

And find myself wondering if the number of trains running via the Berks and Hants is reduced, and if a couple of IETs from Longrock have moved onto the connected network to help out into South Wales.

I seem to recall the plan was to use 8 or 12 car 387s to run extra services to/from Cardiff on match days?

Re: Plan for M4 to south coast corridor to avoid Bath, through West Wiltshire
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [359449/30025/51]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:40, 15th March 2025
Already liked by Timmer, eightonedee
 
I read this yesterday online and have to assume that whoever wrote this “Study” lives in Outer Mongolia and has never set foot in England, let alone Wiltshire !

It purports to talk about “M4 to the Dorset coast” route. It proposes sending the traffic through Melksham & Westbury to Warminster. Traffic “through” Melksham (no real bypass) is bad, Westbury is a nightmare already. Oh......... and Yarnbrook roundabout and West Ashton lights !

OK, let’s accept this fairy tale to that point. Where does the traffic go from Warminster ? The A350 to Shaftesbury is reasonable – apart from the very steep hill into Shaftesbury itself – then no bypass. The A350 to Blandford must be one of the worst roads in the UK. They are already routing HGVs through Melbury Abbas and Spread Eagle Hill.

The other option is to send the traffic down the A36 from Warminster to Salisbury, thence to  the “Dorset Coast” Another lunatic option ! Has anyone ever driven along the Inner Ring Road & Southampton Rd in Salisbury ??

What makes this “Study” even more infuriating and out of touch is that two of the really bad pinch points on these routes have been well on the route to getting “proper” by-passes in the past. The Salisbury by-pass was ditched by John Prescott in 97/98. The Westbury by-pass was funded, until the “nimby” lobby struck and the money went elsewhere , I believe it was used to  (RE !!) double up the rail route through Stroud.

This is yet another absolute classic of the inept/incompetent so-called transport planning we suffer from. Add this to HS2 and the Stonehenge bypass fiascos.

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359448/30024/11]
Posted by grahame at 12:20, 15th March 2025
 
I find myself looking at this

Newton Abbot area – weekend of 15/16 March
Track renewal work will affect trains via Newton Abbot.

Trains for London Paddington or Bristol Temple Meads and beyond will run to/from Newton Abbot on Saturday, then Exeter St Davids on Sunday.

Other trains will still run between Penzance and Plymouth on both days, plus between Paignton and Newton Abbot on Sunday.

Replacement buses are planned between:

Tiverton Parkway and Plymouth (non-stop) – both days
Newton Abbot and Plymouth – Saturday
Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot/Plymouth – Sunday

And find myself wondering if the number of trains running via the Berks and Hants is reduced, and if a couple of IETs from Longrock have moved onto the connected network to help out into South Wales.

Re: Out and about in the South West - regional and local trains
In "The Lighter Side" [359447/29874/30]
Posted by grahame at 11:51, 15th March 2025
 
Slight stab in the dark to finish this quiz off; is number 24 Cheltenham Spa, I wonder?

Yes - it IS.  "Coffee brings us together" - what a wonderful finale

Re: Out and about in the South West - regional and local trains
In "The Lighter Side" [359446/29874/30]
Posted by brooklea at 11:43, 15th March 2025
 
Slight stab in the dark to finish this quiz off; is number 24 Cheltenham Spa, I wonder?

Re: GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [359445/30022/24]
Posted by grahame at 10:13, 15th March 2025
 

A bit off-topic: difficult not to reflect that with a season ticket into London, depending on what it is, the cost can buy the traveller 24/7/365 access to the London rail and tube network.


Yes - though I quoted costs based in season tickets WITHOUT Travelcard add ons.   From Reading - yes, that gives you Paddington and Waterloo, and by changing at Clapham Junction or Waterloo it gives you Victoria, Charing Cross and London Bridge.  With a further change at London Bridge, Cannon Street, Blackfriars and I suspect City Thameslink?

Re: GWR responds to concerns over rising rail fares in North Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [359444/30022/24]
Posted by PhilWakely at 09:54, 15th March 2025
 
A bit off-topic: difficult not to reflect that with a season ticket into London, depending on what it is, the cost can buy the traveller 24/7/365 access to the London rail and tube network.

Buy a season from e.g Barnstaple to Exeter, the traveller receives 24/7/365 access from the awkwardly sited station at Barnstaple to... Exeter.

Apart from that commute being capacity constrained, for the Barnstaple example, would there be something to be said, as part of the season ticket offer, for throwing in off-peak access to the rail system on the same basis as a 'Freedom of Devon' ranger ticket perhaps.

Mark

The purchase of an Annual Season Ticket from A to B within Devon and Cornwall entitles the purchaser to a free Gold Devon and Cornwall Railcard, so it does, in a way, throw in off-peak access to the Devon and Cornwall rail system.

Re: "Bath Abbey" loco nameplate
In "Railway History and related topics" [359443/30023/55]
Posted by grahame at 09:50, 15th March 2025
 
Out of interest how much do these nameplates generally sell for?

Last November some example...

Lord Palmer - £5600
Ickenham Hall - £3000
Willington Hall - £2750
Earl of Plymouth - £8000
Corfe Castle - £9100
Thomas Hardy - £6500
Western Star - £10000
Beryl - £480
Albert - £1000
Thames - £10500

Re: "Bath Abbey" loco nameplate
In "Railway History and related topics" [359442/30023/55]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:42, 15th March 2025
 
Out of interest how much do these nameplates generally sell for?

Re: Where would be on your GWR Monopoly board?
In "The Lighter Side" [359441/30026/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:39, 15th March 2025
 
Let's try ... train stations ...
Millbay
North Road
Mutley
Friary

... or am I too historic?

Orange Group
Chippenham
Trowbridge
Melksham

Tax and Jail alternatives
Supertax -> You must buy an anytime since
Incometax -> Advance fares sold out. Buy an off peak tickets
Go to Jail -> You have been cause getting off early on an advance fare ticket

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359440/30024/11]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 09:29, 15th March 2025
 
Memory jog, can't remember if 2022 or 2023 but a person under the influence of alcohol tried to board a moving IET on platform one and failed miserably. Platforms one and two were shut for a few hours until I could travel from BPW to Cardiff and take the train to Stoke Gifford.

All trains, east and west, had to use platforms 3 and 4 so unsurprisingly it was chaos. I did a bit of cheating by messaging a friend in the WROC and my service got priority into Cardiff, a very rapid reboot of the IET concerned and on the move as quickly as possible. A brief use of the hose pipe and platforms reopened.

That's where the TfW staff deserve much praise coping with those who want to get home an hour previously.

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [359439/30027/21]
Posted by grahame at 09:26, 15th March 2025
 

It goes wrong on Decent railways as well.
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [359438/30028/52]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 09:23, 15th March 2025
 
Well it had to happen eventually...

The ETCS system went tits up this morning.

Some serious delays accruing between Praha and Česká Třebová.

https://www.cd.cz/jizdni-rad/omezeni-provozu/mimoradnost/60159

Link only works whilst the problem continues and it will translate to English.

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359437/30024/11]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:12, 15th March 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
I've been to Cardiff on a number of occasions for rugby and getting away afterwards was always a miserable experience irrespective of kick off time - but the later it got the worse it was, albeit never helped by the last train being ridiculously early after such a major event. Occasionally one extra train would be laid on but not publicised.

Latterly we took to heading back to Bridgend or staying overnight in Cardiff (booking as soon as the fixture was announced to try to avoid price gouging) but that of course relied on gambling that trains would be running on Sundays, and we all know what a gamble that is nowadays.

Thankfully now a friend's son lives in Cardiff so we drive and park/stay at his place.

It does seem largely to be a Cardiff specific issue - Twickenham has a lot of options in terms of stations as well as its own (Richmond/Whitton/St Margaret's/Hounslow etc) all within walking distance, at Murrayfield it's superb - they now have the trams, and on my last trip there, services were running from Haymarket towards Glasgow every 8-10 minutes, and Stade de France is well served by the RER.......Dublin is small enough to walk around..................but Cardiff always struggles in this respect.

Re: March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [359436/30027/21]
Posted by grahame at 09:06, 15th March 2025
 
Further information ...

Overview
Better Rail for Less Congestion - MetroWest Bath+Wiltshire

MetroWest Bath+Wiltshire proposes to upgrade the existing rail track, so the present worst service of one train every two hours can become two trains per hour, and the best service of 3.5 trains/hour can be 6 trains/hour. It is achieved by relatively cheap interventions to remove bottlenecks, and the introduction of local shuttle services between the long distance trains. Local shuttles are much more resilient to delays.

Chippenham and Trowbridge are potential hub towns of ConnectedCites on the network, in areas of high levels of housing demand with 75,000+ new population planned

With MetroWest the two ConnectedCities could sustainably house up to 135,000 more people
Current proposals are for road based development. None of the proposed new locations have permanent way public transport
Join us for an exciting event focused on improving rail systems to reduce congestion in the MetroWest Bath+Wiltshire area. Hear from experts, engage in discussions, and explore innovative solutions. Don't miss this opportunity to be part of the change!

Discounted Rail Tickets for Attendees

80% saving based on an Anytime Return from London Paddington to Cardiff Central

The conference fares are only available to delegates. You will be asked to produce a confirmation by the train manager

Conference fares are available from most stations on the GWR network

Outbound tickets are fixed, times and dates cannot be changed. The return journey is fully flexible

March 27th 2pm - Better Rail for Less Congestion and New Housing: MetroWest
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [359435/30027/21]
Posted by grahame at 08:51, 15th March 2025
 


MetroWest - A world in which you can get to work or college quickly and easily, go shopping and visit friends or cinema and get back late - without having to use a car

Enjoy more frequent trains integrated with buses and comfortable protected walking and bicycling to and from the station

Preserve the countryside by focusing new homes on less land close to the Metro

Fund from increase land value. The improvements can be delivered quickly: all the elements are in place – they only need enhancing

Join us for an exciting event focused on improving rail systems to reduce congestion in the MetroWest Bath+Wiltshire area. Hear from experts, engage in discussions, and explore innovative solutions. Don't miss this opportunity to be part of the change!

27th March, 2pm - In person in Chippenham, or online via Zoom.

For more information please see here.

ConnectedCities Ltd
59 Lambeth Walk
Waterloo, SE11 6DX
T: 020 7993 4690
www.ConnectedCities.co.uk
admin@ConnectedCities.co.uk

"Here" link in the quoted text is to https://www.connectedcities.org/links/metrowest-event-0325

A number of well know names, old friends, and experts there and I plan to go along.  The Bath to Wiltshire interface is one that often falls between the stools of WECA and Wiltshire in planning terms, and with massively increased housing in Withshire but yet a lack of allocated employment space (at least here in Melksham) we may b set for a dramatic increase in commuting ...

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359434/30024/11]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 08:50, 15th March 2025
 
Back in ye olden days when it was the National Stadium of Wales and all games kicked off at either 1430 or 1500...

The NSE commuter stock that would sit spare for the weekend (look away bean counters) would be utitlised for rugby specials. One ECS move would be Oxford Foxhall curve Kemble Gloucester to Chepstow forming an additional to Milford Haven which then worked to Cardiff, ECS to Newport for another extra to Cardiff.

There were many rakes of vacuum braked mk1s used all around South Wales, ending back at the Thames Valley depots during Sunday. They needed a good clean before Monday morning but when the cleaners were on a basic of around £152 a week for 39 hours there were no shortage of volunteers to come in Sunday morning for £50 or £60 to do the dirty work.

The last train to London was from Swansea around 2020, 2125 from Cardiff.

Don't times change...

And to quote a Tory snob in the summer of 1993 who assaulted me by grabbing my shoulder and shaking me.

"Privitisation will sort out the railways and make it better."

(Looks at the current drivers salary and compares it to 1994 when I drove my first train).

Re: Our contributor base and membership base.
In "News, Help and Assistance" [359433/22008/29]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 08:44, 15th March 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, Timmer, johnneyw, Andy E, eightonedee
 
Indeed you have, SandTEngineer - thank you for your time and contributions to the Coffee Shop forum!

His contributions to the forum are very much missed.

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359432/30024/11]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 08:30, 15th March 2025
Already liked by IndustryInsider
 
Nope... Thinning out the Sunday service won't increase the number of avaliable crew on a Saturday late turn.

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359431/30024/11]
Posted by grahame at 08:25, 15th March 2025
 
With what crew and what rolling stock?

I'm not sure if there may be links here ...

13:08 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 14:20

Facilities on the 13:08 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 14:20.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8.

05:25 Swansea to London Paddington due 08:11

05:25 Swansea to London Paddington due 08:11 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

... or whether these are just parts of the daily stuff.  I'm also noting tomorrow's engineering changes and wondering if the resulting Sunday thinning out releases crews to work Saturday (today)?   Ah well - let's see how it goes.

Re: "Bath Abbey" loco nameplate
In "Railway History and related topics" [359430/30023/55]
Posted by grahame at 08:09, 15th March 2025
 
Lots of others too



Discussion with the domestic authoritys have lead to the conclusion that there is nothing in here which is a "must have" for us in Melksham and that included a look through targets, totems and posters too.  Never realised just how many obscure castles and halls there are (or were) in the UK!

Re: Extra trains for the six Nations, 15.3.2025
In "London to South Wales" [359428/30024/11]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 07:21, 15th March 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
With what crew and what rolling stock?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [359427/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:19, 15th March 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

Due to a broken rail between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until the end of the day

Re: Our contributor base and membership base.
In "News, Help and Assistance" [359425/22008/29]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:24, 14th March 2025
 
Indeed you have, SandTEngineer - thank you for your time and contributions to the Coffee Shop forum!

CfN. 

 
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