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Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
As at 10th January 2025 12:21 GMT
 
Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:20, 26th August 2024
 
As the original topic, from which I have split off these posts, was 64 pages long, I've now broken that topic down into more manageable 'calendar year' chunks - purely for ease of reference.

CfN.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 19:10, 23rd December 2022
 
Workers on London's new Elizabeth line to walkout in row over pay just weeks after it fully opened

From MSN

Workers on London's Elizabeth Line will strike on January 12 in a dispute over pay and pensions, Prospect and the TSSA rail union has announced.

The walkouts by staff at Rail for London (Infrastructure) Limited, which runs the Elizabeth Line, will be followed by more than a month of 'work-to-rule' action, in which staff will work contracted hours and shifts only.

Officials said the action will cause 'significant disruption' to the new cross-London line in the first strike since it began to open in May this year.

The announcement comes just weeks after the cross-London line fully opened.

Members of the union will strike in an ongoing dispute over pay and proposed changes to pensions after a ballot with 80 percent turn out saw 90 percent of workers vote to strike.

The Transport Salaried Staffs' Association said staff on parts of the line who are contractors have been offered an 8.2 percent pay rise, while those employed directly have been offered just four percent.

The union rejected an offer of a four percent rise this year and a 4.4 percent rise next year.

TSSA Organiser Mel Taylor said: 'Our members have sent the company a very clear message that they are not prepared to be pushed around on pay and pensions.

'The result of our ballot shows the strength of feeling and that is why we will be moving very quickly to take strike action and action short of a strike in the new year.

'Frankly, we have been left with little option because we know workers at Rail for London Infrastructure (RfLI) are being paid significantly less than equivalent colleagues across the TfL network.

'That is simply not good enough. Our members have the power to bring the Elizabeth Line to a standstill and the company must now wake up to that fact and get back round the table.

'We are always open to talks, but only if there's a much-improved deal in the offing, one which puts our members on a par with those in the outsourced parts of the Elizabeth Line.'

Mike Clancy, general secretary of Prospect, said: 'Our members have worked incredibly hard to get the Elizabeth Line ready to go safely into operation yet are being treated significantly worse than equivalent workers on the rest of London's network.

'They have been left with no option but to take this action.

'We remain open to negotiation and it is our hope that RfLI will come back to the table with an offer sufficient to avert industrial action.

'The Elizabeth Line is bringing in substantial revenue so there is no reason why there can't be some movement on pay.'

Of course, TfL is currently bust, but don't let that bother the TSSA

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 18:51, 23rd December 2022
 
With 20 serviceable units, 10 trains running each of 2 units is an option, and as I read it that is the normal train length.

That's effectively what they're doing in 4 routes, as far as Oxford Parkway/Banbury/Aylesbury (via 2 routes), so 4 diagrams @ 1tph each way. For limited hours 0800-2200.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Timmer at 22:11, 21st December 2022
 
Neither are on walk-outs this week. Overtime bans at worst.

So SWR are apparently saying they can only run 47% of their scheduled weekday services without overtime. And staff are saying crew rooms are full of staff doing nothing other than clocking in for their contracted hours.

Someone is lying.
Paul Clifton retweeted this earlier:
https://twitter.com/disgruntledgrd/status/1605600521401913346?s=61&t=f4ZQtM_8E-2AbS3j-QEiOg

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 21:41, 21st December 2022
 
Chiltern having same problems - only enough stock in their case to run 4 tph in each direction, about 10 trains-worth (or 20 units) available each day.

Of course, SWT have electric 4car/5car units & more maintenance depot capacity than Chiltern. But that may still be a limiting factor for them

With 20 serviceable units, 10 trains running each of 2 units is an option, and as I read it that is the normal train length. The other option is to run 20 trains but shorter than normal - and that's going to lead to the sort of thing we see in GWR land on Cardiff to Portsmouth, where a single unit of just 2 cars may be run in place of a scheduled 5 car service.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 20:24, 21st December 2022
 
Overtime bans imclude depot staff. So little Sunday maintenance, abd reduced maintenance during week too due to overtime ban means reduced stock availability.

The 48 hour strikes mean no maintenance on those days too, mrleaning maintenance regime is well behind, on exams too.

Chiltern having same problems - only enough stock in their case to run 4 tph in each direction, about 10 trains-worth (or 20 units) available each day.

Of course, SWT have electric 4car/5car units & more maintenance depot capacity than Chiltern. But that may still be a limiting factor for them

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 19:37, 21st December 2022
 
I suspect it's rooms full of ASLEF staff during RMT strike days and vice-versa....

Neither are on walk-outs this week. Overtime bans at worst.

So SWR are apparently saying they can only run 47% of their scheduled weekday services without overtime. And staff are saying crew rooms are full of staff doing nothing other than clocking in for their contracted hours.

Someone is lying.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 19:26, 21st December 2022
 
I suspect it's rooms full of ASLEF staff during RMT strike days and vice-versa....

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 19:23, 21st December 2022
 
Why are train operators seemingly lying this week about staff availability? There are numerous reports of crew rooms full of staff, sat twiddling their thumbs. Meanwhile some TOCs (looking at you SWR) are running up to 50% fewer trains and blaming staff shortages due to union overtime bans.

Are the TOCs having their strings pulled? Are the unions lying about staff availability?

Neither side is able to claim the moral high ground. Meanwhile - sod the travelling public. Selfish, the lot of 'em.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 12:19, 20th December 2022
 
Whether they will cross RMT picket lines is another matter

Wouldn't that be deemed unballoted, or secondary, action and thus illegal?

Good question - can you be obliged to cross a picket line at your place of work, even if it's not your Union that's on strike, and a different Union forming the picket?

I'm thinking back to the Miners strike, with lorry drivers, pit deputies etc, although with that example the intimidation was on different scale and I believe the law was changed as a result.

If it is not your Union on strike, then you are obliged to cross the picket line if you are rostered for duty.

That's not strictly true.  People in the same work place as a strike can choose not to cross a picket line, however they will loose a that shift pay, be marked as absent, they must inform their line manager of their decision otherwise they will be marked as absent without leave which could lead to a disciplinary.

At the moment the dispute has not got to the stage where staff have been instructed to cross picket lines and I doubt it will get to that stage by the Railway employers unless they are threatened by Government the risk here is the current staff who are volunteering to do task out of their normal roll would cease to volunteer or just work to contract

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 12:00, 20th December 2022
 
From the ASLEF press release

ASLEF, the train drivers’ union, has announced another one-day strike on Thursday 5 January after members at 15 train companies voted overwhelmingly for more walk-outs in a long-running dispute over pay.

The strike will bring services on affected lines to a halt and comes as more and more people in many different sectors of the economy are withdrawing their labour as employers refuse to help their employees during this cost of living crisis.

‘We don’t want to go on strike but the companies have pushed us into this place,’ said Mick Whelan, general secretary of ASLEF, which represents 96% of the train drivers in England, Scotland, and Wales. ‘They have not offered our members at these companies a penny – and these are people who have not had an increase since April 2019.

‘That means they expect train drivers at these companies to take a real-terms pay cut – to work just as hard for considerably less – when inflation is running at north of 14%.’

Mick added: ‘The train companies say their hands have been tied by the government. While the government – which does not employ us – says it’s up to the companies to negotiate with us. We are always happy to negotiate – we never refuse to sit down at the table and talk – but these companies have offered us nothing. And that is unacceptable.’

ASLEF had to ballot members again as a mandate, under the law, is only valid for six months. And members voted overwhelmingly – again – to take strike action.

‘The resolve of our members is rock steady,’ said Mick. ‘A 93% “Yes” vote – up on the very high figure last time – on an average turnout of 85% shows that our members are in this for the long haul. It shows just how angry – and determined – we are.

‘We now have a new mandate for industrial action for the next six months. The way to stop this is for the companies to make a serious and sensible offer and for the government not to put a spoke in the wheels.

‘We don’t want to inconvenience passengers – our friends and families use the railway, too, and we believe in investing in rail for the future of our country – and drivers don’t want to lose a day’s pay. That’s why strikes are always a last resort. But the intransigent attitude of the train companies – with the government acting, with malice, in the shadows – has forced our hand.

‘Because these drivers – who were, don’t forget, the people who moved key workers and goods around the country during the pandemic – have not had a pay rise for nearly four years.

‘With inflation running at 14% the companies – and the government – are saying that they want us to take a real-terms pay cut. The companies need to come to the table with a proper proposal to help our members, their drivers, buy this year what they could buy last year. That is the way to prevent another strike and all the disruption that causes. The ball is now firmly in the train companies’ court. And we are calling on the government to help – and not hinder – the negotiating process.’

 
Notes to editors:

[1] The companies affected include Avanti West Coast; Chiltern Railways; CrossCountry; East Midlands Railway; Great Western Railway; Greater Anglia; GTR Great Northern Thameslink; London North Eastern Railway; Northern Trains; Southeastern; Southern/Gatwick Express; South Western Railway (depot drivers only); SWR Island Line; TransPennine Express; and West Midlands Trains.

[2] We have already called five one-day strikes this year – drivers withdrew their labour on Saturday 30 July; Saturday 13 August; Saturday 1 October, Wednesday 5 October; and Saturday 26 November.

[3] We have successfully negotiated pay deals with 12 train companies this year – DB Cargo; Eurostar; Freightliner Heavy Haul; Freightliner Intermodal; GB Railfreight; Grand Central; Merseyrail; MTR Elizabeth line; Nexus; PRE Metro Operations; ScotRail; and Transport for Wales – and are in dispute only with those companies which have failed to offer their drivers – our members – anything. Drivers who have not have an increase since 2019.

In addition, an offer from Arriva Rail London (London Overground) has been put to members with a recommendation to accept.

I assume midnight to midnight as no times specified....

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 11:53, 20th December 2022
 
From The BBC

Train drivers across 15 rail companies will stage a fresh strike on 5 January in a long-running row over pay, according to the Aslef union.

The walkout will go ahead between strikes already announced by the RMT rail union, running between 3-4 and 6-7 January.
Aslef said that train drivers had voted overwhelmingly to take action.

"We don't want to go on strike but the companies have pushed us into this place," said Aslef boss Mick Whelan.

Yes, GWR are one of the 15 listed rail companies ...

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by PhilWakely at 13:27, 17th December 2022
 
Whether they will cross RMT picket lines is another matter

Wouldn't that be deemed unballoted, or secondary, action and thus illegal?

Good question - can you be obliged to cross a picket line at your place of work, even if it's not your Union that's on strike, and a different Union forming the picket?

I'm thinking back to the Miners strike, with lorry drivers, pit deputies etc, although with that example the intimidation was on different scale and I believe the law was changed as a result.

If it is not your Union on strike, then you are obliged to cross the picket line if you are rostered for duty.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 09:47, 17th December 2022
 
As I understand it, this is part of the deal;

Revised rostering

39 weekends a year

Mandatory Xmas working

Must stay on for up to 2hrs extra when required

Cross discipline tasks mandated

.......others are probably better placed to add detail

That is the part that the RMT members in maintenance have objections to.   

For the rolls covered by TSSA and Unite a lot of that happens already with the exception of the cross discipline activity which is actually aimed at maintenance; many of maintenance managers and engineers believe this will take several years to implement fully and its a bit of a Government myth that teams do not work collaboratively in maintenance and the idea of one van with all disciplines is Government hype, mixing items like Signalling Track Circuit Relays in with PW track fastenings would be an expensive mistake.   There is of course a need to modernise how maintenance is done, at the moment there is a bit of a sledge hammer to crack a walnut going on

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:11, 17th December 2022
 
Whether they will cross RMT picket lines is another matter

Wouldn't that be deemed unballoted, or secondary, action and thus illegal?

Good question - can you be obliged to cross a picket line at your place of work, even if it's not your Union that's on strike, and a different Union forming the picket?

I'm thinking back to the Miners strike, with lorry drivers, pit deputies etc, although with that example the intimidation was on different scale and I believe the law was changed as a result.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 08:36, 17th December 2022
 
Whether they will cross RMT picket lines is another matter

Wouldn't that be deemed unballoted, or secondary, action and thus illegal?

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:07, 17th December 2022
 
As I understand it, this is part of the deal;

Revised rostering

39 weekends a year

Mandatory Xmas working

Must stay on for up to 2hrs extra when required

Cross discipline tasks mandated

.......others are probably better placed to add detail

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 07:09, 17th December 2022
 
TSSA announced yesterday that their members at Network Rail had voted to accept the latest offer.
TSSA members at Network Rail have voted overwhelmingly to accept an offer from the company in the national rail dispute over pay, job security and conditions. 85% of members voted yes on a 70% turnout.

The offer is worth a minimum 9-11% consolidated pay increase over the next fortnight, in addition to other financial rewards, job security to 2025 and guarantees on terms and conditions.

The vast majority – 85% - of those who voted out of 2,500 union members in General Grades, Bands 5-8 (and equivalent), and Controllers - made the decision in a referendum which closed earlier today.

Accept: 85%   

Reject: 15%

Turnout: 70%

The deal includes -

*A no compulsory redundancy agreement until 31 January 2025.

*A minimum pay uplift of at least £1,750 or a 5 per cent increase (whichever is greater) backdated to 1 January 2022 (an increase of over 5 per cent for anyone earning less than £35,000). This is worth at least 7% to staff earning £25,000 or less.

*A 4 per cent pay increase from 1 January 2023

*No unagreed changes to terms and conditions, plus more benefits.

That is 2 of the Unions that have accepted the offer, NR are now in the process of awarding this to the 2 "Bargaining Groups" these Unions cover Signallers, Control, Technical grades typically.

Whether they will cross RMT picket lines is another matter

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by stuving at 23:27, 16th December 2022
 
TSSA announced yesterday that their members at Network Rail had voted to accept the latest offer.
TSSA members at Network Rail have voted overwhelmingly to accept an offer from the company in the national rail dispute over pay, job security and conditions. 85% of members voted yes on a 70% turnout.

The offer is worth a minimum 9-11% consolidated pay increase over the next fortnight, in addition to other financial rewards, job security to 2025 and guarantees on terms and conditions.

The vast majority – 85% - of those who voted out of 2,500 union members in General Grades, Bands 5-8 (and equivalent), and Controllers - made the decision in a referendum which closed earlier today.

Accept: 85%   

Reject: 15%

Turnout: 70%

The deal includes -

*A no compulsory redundancy agreement until 31 January 2025.

*A minimum pay uplift of at least £1,750 or a 5 per cent increase (whichever is greater) backdated to 1 January 2022 (an increase of over 5 per cent for anyone earning less than £35,000). This is worth at least 7% to staff earning £25,000 or less.

*A 4 per cent pay increase from 1 January 2023

*No unagreed changes to terms and conditions, plus more benefits.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 15:25, 14th December 2022
 
The current government often accuses the BBC of having a left wing bias. Mick Grynch accuses them of having a right wing bias.

That, to me, shows the BBC is getting it right.

The Grynch also didn't come across well on Good Morning Britain yesterday. Attacking those asking the questions, or bleating about the type of question being asked is not a good look.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Marlburian at 13:30, 14th December 2022
 
Surprised no-one has mentioned the Mick Lynch radio interview yesterday morning on Radio Four.

Many other reports are available, including the actual broadcast on The Spectator website.

There was a follow-up on this morning's "Today", with the presenter noting criticism of Lynch from most papers except the Guardian. And a couple of figures were given for what his union members are losing from being on strike.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Ollie at 22:46, 13th December 2022
 
TSSA Union announces GWR strike action 12:00 on Wednesday 28th December 2022 to 11:59 on Thursday 29th December 2022

From TSSA https://www.tssa.org.uk/find-your-company/great-western-railway/news/gwr-tssa-announces-further-strike-action-in-gwr

Members will be instructed not to commence work on any shift starting between:

12:00 on Wednesday 28th December 2022 to 11:59 on Thursday 29th December 2022

What if I'm due to start work before 12:00 (noon) on Wednesday 28th December? If you are due to commence work on Wednesday 28th December before noon then you should start and finish that period of work/shift, however if your work/shift commences at anytime within the period of strike action (between 12:00 noon 28 December and 11:59 Thursday 29th December) then none of that work/shift should be carried out even if it is due to end after 11:59 on Thursday 29th December.

This is in addition to the Action Short of Strike that has previously been called and is currently active running until 23:59 on Sunday 8th January 2023

Quote is just a snippet of what is available on the link above the quote.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 14:06, 13th December 2022
 
TSSA Union announces CrossCountry strike action on Boxing Day and 27th

From Rail Advent

The TSSA Union has announced that strike action, affecting CrossCountry services, will be carried out on Boxing Day and the 27th December in a dispute over pay, job security and conditions.

Union members will walkout from 9pm on Boxing Day until 9pm on the 27th December.

The union wants a guarantee of no compulsory redundancies, no changes to conditions and a pay increase.

This action replaces the strike action at CrossCountry by TSSA on 17th December, action which has now been cancelled. Action short of a strike set for the 16th and 17th December remains in place.

At CrossCountry, TSSA members carry out a number of roles including Customer Service Managers (CSM), Driver Managers (DTM), Trainers, Control, Customer Communications, Safety, Timetabling and Planning.

TSSA  Organising Director, Nadine Rae. said: “Our members at CrossCountry do not want to strike, especially over the Christmas holiday period, but they are sick and tired of being taken for granted.

“They deserve a pay rise to help manage the escalating cost of living, and they rightly demand job security. The company, like all the train operators under the control of the Department for Transport, need to face up to the fact that only serious offers which meet our aspirations will end this dispute.

“Rail workers are seeking basic fair treatment: not to be sacked from their jobs; a fair pay rise in the face of a cost-of-living-crisis; and no race to the bottom on terms and conditions.

“Make no mistake we will again see trains coming to a halt unless rail bosses and the government do the right thing for our members and our precious rail network which so many people rely on.”

TSSA action partly overlaps with action by the RMT and continues into 27 December as TSSA-only strike action.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:04, 13th December 2022
 
A short video message from Mick Whelan regarding the ASLEF dispute:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VuKzgoG-9ws

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:52, 13th December 2022
 
RMT members reject latest Network Rail pay rise offer

An interesting result that.  63.6% 'no' with a 83% turnout is not enough to call 'emphatic' in my opinion, though is still a message that there is some way to go still to find a settlement.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 16:29, 12th December 2022
 
RMT members reject latest Network Rail pay rise offer

From Rail Advent

The RMT Union has announced that its members have voted to reject the latest offer from Network Rail.

It means that all strike action planned for this week, over the Christmas period and into the new year, will go ahead as planned.

63.6% of members opted to reject the offer of 5% and 4% pay rise over a two year period.

However, the RMT union also says that the pay rises came with a 50% cut in maintenance tasks, job losses and a 30% increase in unsocialable hours.

RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch said: “This is a huge rejection of Network Rail’s substandard offer and shows that our members are determined to take further strike action in pursuit of a negotiated settlement.

“The government is refusing to lift a finger to prevent these strikes and it is clear they want to make effective strike action illegal in Britain.

“We will resist that and our members, along with the entire trade union movement will continue their campaign for a square deal for workers, decent pay increases and good working conditions.”

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Timmer at 07:33, 9th December 2022
 
Reposting the link to GWR’s strike page as there is a LOT of new information on what’s running between the 13th of December and the 8th of January including when revised timetables will be available on journey planners. A bit of a long read, but worth it if you are travelling on GWR over the next few weeks:

www.gwr.com/strike

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 15:11, 8th December 2022
 
Woah! It seems that these strikes are going to be far more disruptive than previous RMT strike days. For example, Chiltern:

Industrial action short of a strike is planned to take place from 13 December – 8 January inclusive.

I thought this was cancelled when they announced the NR strikes 24-27 December? This means for them, on top of only services 0800-1600 on strike days -

During this time there will be no Chiltern Railways service operating north of Banbury.

There will be no Chiltern Railways on any route on Sunday 18th December.

Services will operate from around 0800-1600 for most of this period.

During times of operation, there will be four Chiltern Railways services per hour in each direction: 

One train per hour (each direction) between London Marylebone and Banbury
One train per hour (each direction) between London Marylebone and Oxford Parkway
One train per hour (each direction) between London Marylebone and Aylesbury via High Wycombe
One train per hour (each direction) between Aylesbury Vale Parkway and Amersham.

every day from 13 December to 8 January inclusive, not just strike days

Not heard from GWR or any others that disruption will be this widespread....can this be correct?

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:55, 8th December 2022
 
ASLEF second ballot result for GWR has delivered another strong six month strike mandate:

Yes: 1,126 [91.5%]

No: 105 [8.5%]

Turnout: 84.1%

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 06:32, 8th December 2022
 
This morning the SoS was being questioned by the Transport Committee. Then Ben Bradshaw aske the SoS if he could say -Yes or No- whether No10 or the Treasury had insisted on the DOO clause being added at the last minute, just when a deal was likely. He did not answer the question.
Seen around or just past 10.21.00 on the link below

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/20875a20-10d7-4d50-868a-d1f6b8776b14

That is a 'Yes' then!

Its called Plausible Deniability

Plausible deniability is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by members of their organizational hierarchy.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by PhilWakely at 20:22, 7th December 2022
 
This morning the SoS was being questioned by the Transport Committee. Then Ben Bradshaw aske the SoS if he could say -Yes or No- whether No10 or the Treasury had insisted on the DOO clause being added at the last minute, just when a deal was likely. He did not answer the question.
Seen around or just past 10.21.00 on the link below

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/20875a20-10d7-4d50-868a-d1f6b8776b14

That is a 'Yes' then!

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by bradshaw at 18:03, 7th December 2022
 
This morning the SoS was being questioned by the Transport Committee. Then Ben Bradshaw aske the SoS if he could say -Yes or No- whether No10 or the Treasury had insisted on the DOO clause being added at the last minute, just when a deal was likely. He did not answer the question.
Seen around or just past 10.21.00 on the link below

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/20875a20-10d7-4d50-868a-d1f6b8776b14

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:54, 6th December 2022
 
I find myself wondering if these dates have been chosen because they'll apply more pressure to Network Rail, hitting the major engineering works at Christmas program which can't easily be moved back a couple of weeks.   Also popular with staff who, perhaps, don't want to work Christmas.

Yep - from New Civil Engineer

Mick Lynch has said so himself: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/06/union-leader-mick-lynch-defends-uk-rail-strikes-over-christmas

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 17:52, 6th December 2022
 
Bear in mind these additional strike days are on Network Rail, not the TOCs. So maintenance & signallers. ...

I find myself wondering if these dates have been chosen because they'll apply more pressure to Network Rail, hitting the major engineering works at Christmas program which can't easily be moved back a couple of weeks.   Also popular with staff who, perhaps, don't want to work Christmas.

Yes and that is the intent.

Plans are being drawn up to take possession required early before the strike over Christmas to allow the contractors to deliver their work these projects do not heavily relay on NR staff to do the work.  Also any inhouse maintenance work that would be done over the Christmas week by NR staff is likely to be cancelled.

The Unions may have lifted the overtime ban but NR senior managers are ignoring the lifting of the ban and are planning as if its still in place

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 15:34, 6th December 2022
 
Bear in mind these additional strike days are on Network Rail, not the TOCs. So maintenance & signallers. ...

I find myself wondering if these dates have been chosen because they'll apply more pressure to Network Rail, hitting the major engineering works at Christmas program which can't easily be moved back a couple of weeks.   Also popular with staff who, perhaps, don't want to work Christmas.

Yep - from New Civil Engineer

Network Rail’s planned £120M engineering works for the festive period could be severely affected if the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) members’ walk out between 24 and 27 December goes ahead.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 14:44, 6th December 2022
 
He cancelled that at the same time as announcing these dates

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:18, 6th December 2022
 
Bear in mind these additional strike days are on Network Rail, not the TOCs. So maintenance & signallers. ...

I find myself wondering if these dates have been chosen because they'll apply more pressure to Network Rail, hitting the major engineering works at Christmas program which can't easily be moved back a couple of weeks.   Also popular with staff who, perhaps, don't want to work Christmas.

I presume those working on Christmas Day/Boxing day would be receiving pretty chunky overtime rates to do so, hence it might not be quite so popular........notwithstanding Bruvver Mick's overtime ban.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 13:10, 6th December 2022
 
Yep,I reckon so!

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 12:50, 6th December 2022
 
Bear in mind these additional strike days are on Network Rail, not the TOCs. So maintenance & signallers. ...

I find myself wondering if these dates have been chosen because they'll apply more pressure to Network Rail, hitting the major engineering works at Christmas program which can't easily be moved back a couple of weeks.   Also popular with staff who, perhaps, don't want to work Christmas.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:23, 6th December 2022
 
TSSA have called off strike action and recommended acceptance of their pay offer

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 12:18, 6th December 2022
 
Bear in mind these additional strike days are on Network Rail, not the TOCs. So maintenance & signallers. I understand that at TVSC at least, & therefore probably other boxes, there is a shift that changes over around teatime, so between 5 & 7pm. Always thought it strange that a changeover happens during the evening peak.

RMT also quoted by Sky News saying shut down on Xmas Eve will be earlier than usual.

And there’s a shift change hust before/at 6am, so bo trains until after the following shift change…maybe very late in the day before they book on on 27th.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Hafren at 21:05, 5th December 2022
 
Meaning shut down *by* 6pm I think? So very few long distance services after lunchtime, and most others by 4pm

From a quick look around, it's the usual no booking on during that time. So the final cutoff is what time the next shifts after 6pm start.

Similarly, would morning shifts typically start before or after 6am on the 27? That could make a big difference to how useful the service is that day.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 20:54, 5th December 2022
 
Meaning shut down *by* 6pm I think? So very few long distance services after lunchtime, and most others by 4pm

Ah - maybe issues with 1X01 this year then.   Which union are the crew members of?

ASLEIGHF?

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 20:51, 5th December 2022
 
Meaning shut down *by* 6pm I think? So very few long distance services after lunchtime, and most others by 4pm

Ah - maybe issues with 1X01 this year then.   Which union are the crew members of?

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:40, 5th December 2022
 
“There is no good time to have a strike. We have left the Christmas period strike-free deliberately” - Mick Lynch

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 19:19, 5th December 2022
 
I'm borrowing a car from 24th - 27th December. Although collecting it and taking it back is now looking more difficult thanks to this latest RMT announcement.

I may now have to cancel plans to attend a gathering of my family planned for the 24h - some not seen since before the pandemic.

Thank you very much Bruvver Lynch. Merry f****** Christmas to you.
 

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:09, 5th December 2022
 
RMT membership on the Network Rail side getting a chance to vote on their offer with a recommendation to reject it from the union.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 19:02, 5th December 2022
 
Meaning shut down *by* 6pm I think? So very few long distance services after lunchtime, and most others by 4pm

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 18:57, 5th December 2022
 
Further strike announced by the RMT. 6pm on Christmas Eve until 6am on 27th December.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:14, 5th December 2022
 
The RDG principles seem well thought out and reflect the modern and evolving environment in which overall demand for rail services (and revenue) has fallen as a consequence of new working patterns and less business travel, balanced against some increases in leisure travel and the need to embrace that opportunity to offset the reduction elsewhere.

It also acknowledges that far fewer people need the services of ticket offices and instead the railway needs to raise its game and be more oriented to the needs of customers, not just its employees.

These and similar lessons have been learned elsewhere in business and the wider economy over several decades now - some organisations have not adapted, and as such some are no longer in business.

When you read the response from the RMT you can almost hear the fists banging on the table and the feet stamping.

It would be interesting to ask Bruvver Lynch for a list of changes to the status quo which he'd be prepared to accept (Given that the membership don't seem to get a vote any more). I suspect it would be rather short.


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by GBM at 09:11, 5th December 2022
 
I do remember reading somewhere the RDG wanted an expansion of DOO routes.
Something I disagree with (non railwayman/person).  It is invaluable to have a train manager/guard and also catering personnel on board.
Totally with the membership.
Very little to do with the headline 8% but it's the small print that matters more.
A UK rail service, all DOO, and all on zero hours contracts. Ideal.  What could possibly go wrong 

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by bradshaw at 09:05, 5th December 2022
 
My impression was that this offer expected to be rejected and was aimed at showing the RMT in a bad light. Hence the 8% headline with no mention that it was over two years and no mention of the changes to T & C.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 07:24, 5th December 2022
 
RDG offer, 4% this year plus 4% next year plus
   The proposed principles for reforming working practices include:

To meet the growing demand for weekend leisure travel, particularly on Sundays, current voluntary working arrangements across the railways will be formalised
Use of part-time contracts and flexible working rosters and patterns to encourage a more diverse workforce who can fit shifts around other commitments
The creation of a new multi-skilled station worker role, with station staff trained and equipped to take on a range of responsibilities aimed at better meeting the needs of customers

https://media.raildeliverygroup.com/news/employers-offer-rmt-a-framework-agreement-to-end-national-dispute-and-save-christmas

RMT
.  The RDG is offering 4% in 2022 and 2023 which is conditional on RMT members accepting vast changes to working practices, huge job losses, Driver Only Operated (DOO) trains on all companies and the closure of all ticket offices.

Key points within the RDG's determinantal proposals:

1. That all Workforce Changes are accepted without reservation or industrial action;
2. Closure of all ticket offices and displacement of all retail staff;
3. Creation of a new multi-skilled station grades;
4. A mass job severance programme;
5. Driver-Only Operation of trains in all companies and on all passenger services;
6. New arrangements for mandatory Sunday working;
7. A review of all On-Train Catering services leading to cutbacks in provision and jobs;
8. Review of Fleet grades’ working practices and depot driving;
9. Flexible working contracts, working and rosters;
10. Mandatory adoption of new technology with no payment;
11. New Attendance Management scheme;
12. Review of Stood Off arrangements;
13. New annual leave and sick pay arrangements

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-reject-rail-delivery-group-offer/


From the RDG letter -
"Use of part-time contracts and flexible working rosters and patterns to encourage a more diverse workforce who can fit shifts around other commitments" I suspect the Unions will see this as a move to the introduction of zero hours contracts

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by bradshaw at 22:04, 4th December 2022
 
RDG offer, 4% this year plus 4% next year plus
   The proposed principles for reforming working practices include:

To meet the growing demand for weekend leisure travel, particularly on Sundays, current voluntary working arrangements across the railways will be formalised
Use of part-time contracts and flexible working rosters and patterns to encourage a more diverse workforce who can fit shifts around other commitments
The creation of a new multi-skilled station worker role, with station staff trained and equipped to take on a range of responsibilities aimed at better meeting the needs of customers

https://media.raildeliverygroup.com/news/employers-offer-rmt-a-framework-agreement-to-end-national-dispute-and-save-christmas

RMT
.  The RDG is offering 4% in 2022 and 2023 which is conditional on RMT members accepting vast changes to working practices, huge job losses, Driver Only Operated (DOO) trains on all companies and the closure of all ticket offices.

Key points within the RDG's determinantal proposals:

1. That all Workforce Changes are accepted without reservation or industrial action;
2. Closure of all ticket offices and displacement of all retail staff;
3. Creation of a new multi-skilled station grades;
4. A mass job severance programme;
5. Driver-Only Operation of trains in all companies and on all passenger services;
6. New arrangements for mandatory Sunday working;
7. A review of all On-Train Catering services leading to cutbacks in provision and jobs;
8. Review of Fleet grades’ working practices and depot driving;
9. Flexible working contracts, working and rosters;
10. Mandatory adoption of new technology with no payment;
11. New Attendance Management scheme;
12. Review of Stood Off arrangements;
13. New annual leave and sick pay arrangements

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-reject-rail-delivery-group-offer/


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 21:24, 4th December 2022
 
Reading the missives from both sides it does appear to me that the RMT are indeed misrepresenting the Rail Delivery Group's offer and its conditions.

And once again we see the RMT turn down an offer without putting it to a membership vote.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 20:51, 4th December 2022
 
No compulsory losses....redesigned multi-skilled station staff including ticket sellers in ticket machine areas.

Anyone care to explain what these are please?

12. Review of Stood Off arrangements;

So the RMT are completely misrepresenting the RDG position with phrases like "closure of all ticket offices" and "huge job losses"

I do not think the RMT are miss representing the RDG aka DfT position ................. the shift is to the TfL model self-service ticket machines with a member of staff on hand, at National rail stations this could mean even more and larger stations unattended by staff

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 20:28, 4th December 2022
 
There are staff who just can't do a shift on their feet. We've got a couple in our local ticket office. What position might be found for them is worrying them a lot, and are probably what the RMT are referring to.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 20:21, 4th December 2022
 
No compulsory losses....redesigned multi-skilled station staff including ticket sellers in ticket machine areas.

Anyone care to explain what these are please?

12. Review of Stood Off arrangements;

So the RMT are completely misrepresenting the RDG position with phrases like "closure of all ticket offices" and "huge job losses"

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 20:09, 4th December 2022
 
No compulsory losses....redesigned multi-skilled station staff including ticket sellers in ticket machine areas.

Anyone care to explain what these are please?

12. Review of Stood Off arrangements;

From The RMT - this is from the introduction of a 24 page document.

The arrangements usually known as “Stood-Off” are a set of longstanding agreements established under British Rail that are still in place with Network Rail for staff who are certified as unable to continue in their own role, but are able for alternate duties - Suitable Alternative Work.

Members mirror at http://www.passenger.chat/mirror/stoodoffcospamphletweb.pdf

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 20:01, 4th December 2022
 
No compulsory losses....redesigned multi-skilled station staff including ticket sellers in ticket machine areas.

Anyone care to explain what these are please?

12. Review of Stood Off arrangements;

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:46, 4th December 2022
 
Just been turned down

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-reject-rail-delivery-group-offer/

Closure of "all" ticket offices? Is that actually what the RDG offer says? And "huge" job losses?

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 19:40, 4th December 2022
 
Isn't that an 'old' offer - been on the table for weeks. They're looking for this amount over one yaer, with additional for any 'modernisation' I thought

for Network rail staff,yes, but this is the first offer made by the RDG on behalf of the rail operators, only taken half-a-year or more.

The NR offer may stand a chance,

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by bradshaw at 19:13, 4th December 2022
 
Just been turned down

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-reject-rail-delivery-group-offer/

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by old original at 19:09, 4th December 2022
 
Isn't that an 'old' offer - been on the table for weeks. They're looking for this amount over one yaer, with additional for any 'modernisation' I thought

for Network rail staff,yes, but this is the first offer made by the RDG on behalf of the rail operators, only taken half-a-year or more.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:58, 4th December 2022
 
From the BBC......

BBC News - Train strikes: Firms make first offer in bid to stop Christmas strikes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63853669

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 17:48, 4th December 2022
 
Seems it's the one still on the table - RailAdvent with more

The Rail Delivery Group has said that train companies have offered the RMT union a framework agreement that would support pay increases up to 8%.

The plans will also see ‘vital and long overdue’ changes to working agreements to secure the future of the railways.

Included in the plans is a guarantee on no compulsory redundancies until the 1st April 2024.

These proposals give the union an opportunity to call of planned action which is currently set to start on the 13th December.

The reformed principles include

 - Current voluntary working agreements on the railways will be formalised
 - Use of part-time contracts and flexible working rosters to encourage a more diverse workforce
 - A new Multi-Skilled Station Worker Role will be created with station staff trained and equipped to take on a range of
   responsibilties.

A spokesperson from the Rail Delivery Group, said: “This is a fair and affordable offer in challenging times, providing a significant uplift in salary for staff. If approved by the RMT, implementation could be fast-tracked to ensure staff go into Christmas secure in the knowledge that they will receive this enhanced pay award early in the New Year alongside a guarantee of job security until April 2024.

“With revenue stuck at 20% below pre-pandemic levels and many working practices unchanged in decades, taxpayers who have contributed £1,800 per household to keep the railway running in recent years, will balk at continuing to pump billions of pounds a year into an industry that desperately needs to move forward with long-overdue reforms and that alienates potential customers with sustained industrial action.

“We urge the RMT leadership to put this offer to its membership and remove the threat of a month of industrial action over Christmas that will upset the travel plans of millions and cause real hardship for businesses which depend on Christmas custom. Instead, we urge the RMT to move forward together with us and so we can give our people a pay rise and deliver an improved railway with a sustainable, long-term future for those who work on it.”

Needs to be called off by Tuesday in order that normal working can be reinstated for the December strike days.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 17:22, 4th December 2022
 
Isn't that an 'old' offer - been on the table for weeks. They're looking for this amount over one yaer, with additional for any 'modernisation' I thought

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:20, 4th December 2022
 
LBC news reports that The Rail Delivery Group has offered the RMT a pay rise of 8% over two years with a guarantee of no compulsory redundancies to April 2024 in a bid to head off fresh strike.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by stuving at 09:51, 29th November 2022
 
Mark's been writing to his new pen-pal Mick.
                                                                            28 November 2022
Dear Mr Lynch,

Thank you for meeting me last week; it was constructive and positive.

We both agree the industrial dispute on the railways has gone on too long. It’s bad for your members, losing out on pay and overtime, bad for businesses who depend on trains to bring them goods and customers and bad for people across our country who depend on the railways. Worse, disruption pushes more and more people away from using the railways, some of whom will never come back. We both want a long-term sustainable railway that provides both great service and rewarding jobs. Every day’s industrial action makes that harder to deliver.

There is a way forwards to meet everyone’s needs. By modernising working practices, we can deliver the savings that lower post-Covid passenger numbers require, restore financial sustainability and not place an unfair burden on taxpayers. My role is to facilitate and support – not negotiate. Negotiations will continue between trade unions and employers, but I can see scope for agreement.
Let me set out how I think we can help support that. Better information sharing between the Rail Minister, trade unions and those leading the negotiations on behalf of the employers can speed up this process. We will soon convene a further meeting to help advance, with the good faith of all parties, settlement discussions and progress in this dispute.

I want to work with you and employers in good faith to help resolve these long-standing issues, and help the employers and you reach a resolution that is fair to all. I would hope this will lead to progress that will allow you to call off industrial action.

Yours sincerely,
Rt Hon Mark Harper MP
SECRETARY OF STATE FOR TRANSPORT

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Mark A at 12:09, 27th November 2022
 
Now, when will Bath Spa's train service have been 100% powered by steam as might have been the case yesterday?

Here's an, er... 'technically flawed'... video clip of the return trip of said steam loco, passing that footbridge in Sydney Gardens.

Note to self, if you're simultaneously recording a video, turning 80 degrees and walking back six paces, you're lucky if the second half of the video didn't record only sky and tree branches.

In the early evening gloom, an impressive and alarming amount of light from the firebox, greatly helped by being carried and reflected by the steam and smoke it found in its path. Alarming as the flicker indicates a small light source, but the spread of light helped by the steam made it appear as though something far more sinister was afoot - it was briefly like witnessing an electricity substation transformer short-circult and fire, but yellow light rather than blue.

Mark

https://twitter.com/markannand/status/1596579393479970816


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 09:03, 27th November 2022
 
I was at PAD tonight and I saw the 1732 departure for Bristol TM which likewise was rammed full with staff preventing further passengers from attempting to join it.

Real Time Trains reported all trains that ran were 9 or 10 carriages; thankful for small mercies!

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by rogerw at 20:44, 26th November 2022
 
My journeys to and from London today were fairly uneventful. 0730 BRI - PAD full and standing from Swindon. The trolley managed to get as far as coach G where I was before running into the jam, thanks to the TM moving people down the train. The 1732 Pad - BRI was full but no standing passengers in coach C. Depsite there being no other trains it still managed to lose 17 minutes on its journey, none of it station overtime. My trip on the British Pullman was superb

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 20:15, 26th November 2022
 
I cycled past Combe station earlier and the display was apologising that there would be no services from this station today due to strike action.

Those pesky strikers, depriving Combe of its 0tph Saturday service.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by BBM at 19:49, 26th November 2022
 
I was at PAD tonight and I saw the 1732 departure for Bristol TM which likewise was rammed full with staff preventing further passengers from attempting to join it.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 18:19, 26th November 2022
 
The 1030 was standing in the aisles, as was the connecting RDG-OXF from Dicot. Seems as though the strikes aren’t putting people off travelling

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 17:11, 26th November 2022
 
it's a funny old world ...

14:30 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington due 16:07 has run as scheduled.

Additional Information

We're sorry for any changes this brings to your travel plans today.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by stuving at 00:11, 26th November 2022
 
From the BBC:
ScotRail strike off as RMT staff accept pay offer

Staff at ScotRail have accepted an increased pay offer, averting a planned series of strikes.

The RMT had planned to strike next Saturday followed by regular walk-outs on Fridays and Saturdays up to Christmas.

Members were voting on a 5% rise plus an extra £750.

ScotRail said this means wages will rise by 7.5% for staff such as conductors and ticket examiners with an 8.5% increase for lower-paid workers.

Announcing the result of the ballot, the RMT said 67.7% of members who voted opted to accept the offer which the union had recommended.

However the deal is separate to the ongoing pay dispute and industrial action being taken by Network Rail staff who are members of the RMT.

The strikes were temporarily suspended on 10 November after ScotRail made the improved pay offer.

As part of the improved deal, minimum flat rate pay has been increased to £10.50 per hour and a no compulsory redundancies guarantee has also been increased from five to six years.

The current agreement on rest day working has been extended until 31 October 2023.

I guess that sets a marker, if not exactly a going rate.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by trainbuff at 22:22, 25th November 2022
 
Might it not be the case that it is cheaper to settle? Or are the Government worried that other workers such as nurses will take it as a green light for their pay claims?

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 17:34, 25th November 2022
 
And from The Caterer

The next wave of rail strikes over the festive period could cost the hospitality industry an estimated £1.5b a day, UKHospitality has warned.

The trade body said businesses had already seen large-scale cancellations with operators facing their third Christmas in a row with disrupted trading.

It warned the damage caused by eight days of 48-hour strikes in December and January could be of a similar scale to that caused by the Omicron Covid-19 variant on bookings last year.

And from the The Night Time Industries Association

The Night Time Industries Association has stressed how damaging the latest rail strikes in the UK will be for bars, clubs, venues and other night-time businesses, coming as they do in the middle of the key Christmas party season.

Indeed, NTIA boss Michael Kill says next month’s strike action will be “catastrophic” for bars, clubs and music venues, fearing that the strikes could result in a big drop in the number of people having nights out in December, certainly on the strike days, and maybe more generally.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 17:25, 25th November 2022
 
And the view from The Canary

Rail, Transport and Maritime union (RMT) general secretary Mick Lynch is back on the war path. The straight-talking trade union leader did another round of the TV studios ahead of planned strikes. The results were predictable: posh, smug TV presenters left gaping.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 06:26, 25th November 2022
 
From the BBC

Train strikes: Minister hopes Christmas walkouts can be stopped

[snip]

But Mr Harper has now agreed to help both sides come back to the table and will write to RMT boss Mick Lynch setting out the terms under which talks can take place.

Mr Harper said there was a "shared agreement" that the dispute had gone on for too long, but would not commit to offering more government money to help resolve the dispute.

Instead he maintained that industry reform was needed to deliver the savings which would enable a "reasonable pay rise" for staff.

[snip]

So as I read it, they're having talks about talks, and whilst they share an agreement that the dispute has gone on too long (!!) the government - quoted with Mr Harper as a spokesman - maintains that there are unchanged (?) pre-requisites for a solution on their side.

Pity the poor passenger, and the long term future of the rail industry and those who work there - but let's hope and encourage works towards a solution - that there may be opportunities in discussions to move forward.



Not quite the days of Harrold Wilson's "Beer and Sandwich" meetings at No 10 with the TU's

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 05:50, 25th November 2022
 
From the BBC

Train strikes: Minister hopes Christmas walkouts can be stopped

[snip]

But Mr Harper has now agreed to help both sides come back to the table and will write to RMT boss Mick Lynch setting out the terms under which talks can take place.

Mr Harper said there was a "shared agreement" that the dispute had gone on for too long, but would not commit to offering more government money to help resolve the dispute.

Instead he maintained that industry reform was needed to deliver the savings which would enable a "reasonable pay rise" for staff.

[snip]

So as I read it, they're having talks about talks, and whilst they share an agreement that the dispute has gone on too long (!!) the government - quoted with Mr Harper as a spokesman - maintains that there are unchanged (?) pre-requisites for a solution on their side.

Pity the poor passenger, and the long term future of the rail industry and those who work there - but let's hope and encourage works towards a solution - that there may be opportunities in discussions to move forward.


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 19:25, 24th November 2022
 
From Guardian's via MSN rolling news feed this afternoon

14:30
Here is a full summary of what Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, said when he spoke to journalists after his meeting with Mark Harper, the transport secretary.

Lynch said the meeting with Mark Harper was “positive”. He said:

I would say it was a positive meeting in the sense that we’ve got rid of the bellicose nonsense that we used to have from Grant Shapps and his cohort, in his era, and we are now starting to get a dialogue.

But he said the RMT was no closer to calling off the strikes scheduled for December and January. He said that would not happen until a reasonable offer was on the table. He said:


If we call off the strikes, we’ll never get a settlement. We did that two weeks ago. We’ve changed our dates in response to public opinion. When the Queen passed, when we had the poppy day, we’ve done other things. We have not had a strike for seven weeks, and nothing has happened. So anyone that’s been involved in industrial relations knows that there has got to leverage and pressure at the table from both sides. That will create the compromises and the resolutions that we’re all looking for.

If I take these [strike] actions off without any outcome, my members won’t forgive me for doing that. And we know that the pressure will be off all the parties.

He said Harper had committed to giving the RMT a letter setting out a process towards a resolution of the rail dispute.

He said he wanted Harper to give the rail industry a fresh mandate to negotiate an end to the dispute. He said that although the RMT has been in talks with the Rail Delivery Group, which represents rail companies, it did not seem to have proper authority to negotiate. The individual companies were also saying they could not negotiate either, he said. He said he asked Harper to clarify who had authority to negotiate, and to set up a liaison group involving ministers. He went on:

[Harper] has got a legal responsibility for industrial relations, and the responsibility to set their mandate, ie what they can say, what they can offer, and what they can negotiate on at that table. So I’m hoping he’s going to do that, hopefully today … He needs to clarify in writing where he stands and where the industry stands when they are transacting with us in those discussions.

He said he did not expect Harper to be at the negotiating table with him. But he did expect ministers to be “engaged in the process”.

He claimed the current negotiating situation was “surreal” because the employers did not have a mandate to negotiate a resolution. He said the Rail Delivery Group had told the RMT it was not able to engage in collective bargaining. And the individual rail companies said they could not engage in collective bargaining either, he said. He went on:

So this is a completely strange and surreal situation. I’m responsible for my union, and I stand in front of you and take whatever you want to throw at me. Nobody from the employers is prepared to stand in front of me and take the responsibility for settling this dispute. That’s what we need. We need somebody of authority, which has to start with the secretary of state and the rail minister, who I want to work with positively, to take responsibility for settling this dispute.

He said Harper had denied that the Department for Transport was the “blockage” preventing a solution to the dispute. Lynch said someone seemed to be blocking a solution, but he said it was not clearly exactly who it was.

He said he had urged Harper to speed up negotiations. The talks have been running for six months already, he said. “And we have had not one document put across the table. That has to change,” he said.

He said jobs, and terms and conditions, were more important to his members than pay levels. He said:

My members are telling me you’ve got to secure me my job, and you’ve got to get me a set of terms and conditions that are acceptable, and then we can talk about what we’re getting paid. If you haven’t got a job, you don’t get a pay rise anyway.

He said the train operators were “only interested in profit”. He said:

They made profit throughout Covid and they made profit throughout these disputes, where they have been indemnified for every day of strike action. This lot in the Department of Transport have been paying all their costs while all the businesses in London and across this country have been suffering losses, while the train operators have had all of their revenue protected by this government.

He said plans to cut 50% of maintenance inspections on the railway were not acceptable.

He said he would urge passengers disrupted by the rail strikes to contact Tory MPs and urge them to “get these ministers to get us a settlement”.

14:37
Mark Harper, the transport secretary, has said his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary, was productive. In a clip for broadcasters, he adopted a consensual tone, stressing the “shared” objectives of both sides, but did not offer commitments on substance. He said:


[Lynch] and I both agreed that this was a productive meeting. It was the first one that that we’ve had. I think it struck the right tone.

I think there was a shared agreement in the meeting. We both want to have a thriving railway that is sustainable for the future, that serves passengers, that serves the country and also provides good, well-paid jobs for the people that he represents. I think there’s a lot of shared agreement there.

But we need to have the two sides, the trade unions and the employers, sit down, agree on the detail, so that we can bring this dispute to an end. I think that’s where we both have a shared interest.

15:05
The Department for Transport has now sent out a news release with a statement from Mark Harper about his meeting with Mick Lynch, the RMT general secretary. It mostly echoes what he told the BBC (see 2.32pm), but it includes a line saying he thinks “there is a deal to be done”. He says:


We have common ground - we both want the dispute to end and we both want a thriving railway which delivers for passengers and workers alike. To achieve this though, we need to work together, across the entire industry to ensure our railway industry thrives.

There is a deal to be done, and I believe we will get there – I want to facilitate the RMT and the employers to reach an agreement and end the dispute for the benefit of the travelling public.


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 06:41, 24th November 2022
 
I think that is probably correct. What would make it more interesting is what that offer might be.

The rumour is that it is something NR Board strongly believe the TU's would sign up to.

In the meantime, MP's have been given a £2200 a year pay rise and can claim expenses for Christmas parties

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 18:23, 23rd November 2022
 
I think that is probably correct. What would make it more interesting is what that offer might be.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 17:48, 23rd November 2022
 
Rumour has it the blocker to the deal if the DfT.  The DfT will not agree to the offer NR want to put the TU's

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 14:09, 23rd November 2022
 
From My London, via MSN

London Underground: Major stations including Heathrow and King's Cross St Pancras to be hit by extra strike this week

RMT union members who work at several key London Underground stations will take strike action this Friday (November 25) in a continued dispute over the non-backfilling of up to 600 positions which the union claims will compromise passenger and staff safety. The walkout is a culmination of a week-long overtime ban which started on Sunday (November 20).

Station staff at Victoria, Euston, Green Park, King's Cross St Pancras, Heathrow Terminals 2,3, Heathrow Terminal 4, Heathrow Terminal 5, Hatton Cross and Hounslow West will take part in the action, as well as staff in the London Underground 's special requirements team, which provides support across the network subject to demand (such as for major events).

Transport for London (TfL) is advising passengers using these stations to check journeys before travelling, although the stations should remain open for most of the day. It only expects stations to have to close if available staff drop below the minimum levels at the start or end of the day. If this happens, Tube trains won't stop at the above stations.

As the strike only relates to London Underground station staff, National Rail (including London Overground and Elizabeth line) and Heathrow Express staff will operate as normal so non-Tube services will still be able to stop at affected stations. Euston Square Tube station will be open as normal, which is a five minute walk away from Euston.

continues....


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Jamsdad at 14:03, 23rd November 2022
 
Well I was planning to get he train form Liskeard to Paddington on 14 December, and because I do need to make this journey, have managed to get a ticket for the National Express Coach . It s not a very appealing alternative.  I have to leave Liskeard at 0755 and dont get in  to London until 1530.( 7.5 hours)  No refreshments, but I do believe they a have a toilet!

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by grahame at 05:35, 23rd November 2022
 
Edit note: I've renamed this topic to include all rail unions - a one stop shop for all rail union strike posts, information and debate. Also changed 'summer' to '2022/2023' to reflect the ongoing industrial action.

Thanks for that.   Ruefully, I found myself hoping the "2023" is enough and did a Google search for the longest strike.  Somewhat tangentially, it came up with a "School Strike" that lasted from 1914 to 1939 where the fired teachers took almost all of their pupils with them and set up an independent school.    I can't see a direct parallel, but it set me wondering if others (such as Go-op and the Unions) might set up their own open access train operations, but then you would still have the government owning the infrastructure.   It's a very different matter getting a new alternative school building to getting a new alternative railway infrastructure, though of course that solution WAS used in Victorian times!

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Surrey 455 at 19:56, 22nd November 2022
 
Busier motorways, more lost customers and less revenue for the railways.

I see ASLEF's strike on Saturday now affects "only" 11 train companies. Not sure who's dropped out.

London Overground.

From BBC News
What about the strike on Saturday?
Saturday's strike, called by the Aslef union over pay, involves train drivers working for:

Avanti West Coast - no services on the day
Chiltern Railways - no services
CrossCountry - no services
East Midlands Railway - no services
Great Western Railway - an "extremely limited" service
Greater Anglia - "heavily reduced" service
London North Eastern Railway - "limited" service
Northern Trains - no services
Southeastern - no services
Transpennine Express - "very limited" service
West Midlands Trains - no services
There may also be disruption on the days before and after the strike day.

Strike action at London Overground - which had been expected on Saturday - has been suspended while union members consider a new pay offer.


Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:57, 22nd November 2022
 
Busier motorways, more lost customers and less revenue for the railways.

I see ASLEF's strike on Saturday now affects "only" 11 train companies. Not sure who's dropped out.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 16:43, 22nd November 2022
 
Not forgetting the ASLEF strike this Saturday, 26th November, affecting twelve TOCs, including GWR.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by plymothian at 16:36, 22nd November 2022
 
Also an overtime ban Sunday 18 December - 2 January inclusive.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by ChrisB at 16:31, 22nd November 2022
 
It's reached the point where trains need to be in the right place for a prompt start up on the day after any strike....otherwise it'll be a late start up on the day in-between (yes, I realise that this is what the RMT intend, hence my comment!)

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by JayMac at 15:55, 22nd November 2022
 
RMT have announced four 48hr strikes in December and January.

13-14 and 16-17 December.
3-4 and 6-7 January.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/22/more-uk-rail-strikes-to-disrupt-travel-in-december-and-january




Edit note: I've renamed this topic to include all rail unions - a one stop shop for all rail union strike posts, information and debate. Also changed 'summer' to '2022/2023' to reflect the ongoing industrial action.

JayMac

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by stuving at 19:34, 21st November 2022
 
As I suspected, RMT's isn't the only version of what happened. This is from RDG:
The Rail Delivery Group has responded to today's (21 November 2022) statement from the RMT.

A spokesperson for the Rail Delivery Group, said:

“We have made real progress over the last fortnight and for the first time in months we can see the outline of a credible deal.

"Any strikes will only cause further misery for customers and struggling businesses in the run up to Christmas and beyond. The RMT leadership should now remove any uncertainty around Christmas and commit to protecting everyone’s first festive period post Covid from any strike disruption. 

"The alternative is a bleak winter of industrial action, making it harder to find workable solutions to bring about the much-needed changes that will help secure the railway’s future and unlock the funds for a pay offer. Revenues are still 20% down on 2019 level and this dispute has brought the industry’s post-pandemic recovery to a shuddering halt – with strikes since June resulting in lost revenue of £250-£300m.

"We urge the RMT leadership to stay at the negotiating table so we can build on that progress and end a dispute that is harming passengers and businesses, the industry, and their members.”

TSSA say they are prepared to keep talking.

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by PhilWakely at 18:45, 21st November 2022
 
It's fine for the RMT to express their disappointment regarding RD and NR withdrawing from negotiations the RMT made no effort to recommend what was on offer.

I suspect the Government will still proceed with it hasty legislation

Unless I have mis-read your comment, I think the clue is in the title of the press release as to why the Union has not recommended anything
TRAIN COMPANIES CANCEL NEGOTIATIONS AND MAKE NO OFFER IN NATIONAL RAIL DISPUTE

I do agree with your final comment though - legislation will be rushed through imminently

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Electric train at 18:07, 21st November 2022
 
It’s not looking good:

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/train-companies-cancel-negotiations-and-make-no-offer-in/


TRAIN COMPANIES CANCEL NEGOTIATIONS AND MAKE NO OFFER IN NATIONAL RAIL DISPUTE

RMT Press Office:

The Rail Delivery Group, which represents the Train Operating Companies (TOCs), has today without any credible explanation refused to make their promised written proposals in the six-month dispute over jobs, terms and conditions and pay.

Similarly, Network Rail has also refused to make any proposals promised at the conclusion of intensive talks last week. RMT suspended strike action on the basis that they would make new proposals by November 17 and it has failed to table anything new.

This will mean that despite having shown good faith in attending a fortnight of discussions with both halves of the industry, the union has no new proposals to consider or put to its members.

RMT’s National Executive Committee will meet tomorrow morning (Tuesday 22nd November 2022) to consider the matter and it is highly likely that further phases of industrial action will be set down.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said:

“After a fortnight of talks, the TOCs had committed to making a firm offer in writing for the first time today.  They cancelled the meeting at an hour’s notice, and we can sense the hand of the Tory government in this as we believe that they are not allowing an offer to be made.

“This is on top of Network Rail failing to make a new proposal at the end of last week.

“Our members have shown their commitment to the dispute and to winning workplace justice in the re-ballot results last week and their union is equally determined to see this dispute through until we get a deal our members can support.

“Tomorrow morning our National Executive Committee will be meeting to consider this. We have been patient and have shown good faith which has not been returned. 

“Therefore, I will be recommending that we set out further phases of sustained industrial action in support of our members.

“While we will remain available for meaningful negotiations it is now obvious that the other side is unwilling or unable to progress matters appropriately, so our action will be reinstated,” he said.

I think we’re going to need a new thread soon. 

More like rope 

It's fine for the RMT to express their disappointment regarding RD and NR withdrawing from negotiations the RMT made no effort to recommend what was on offer.

I suspect the Government will still proceed with it hasty legislation

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by froome at 17:49, 21st November 2022
 
 

Re: Railway union workers industrial and strike action - 2022
Posted by Timmer at 17:40, 21st November 2022
 
It’s not looking good:

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/train-companies-cancel-negotiations-and-make-no-offer-in/


TRAIN COMPANIES CANCEL NEGOTIATIONS AND MAKE NO OFFER IN NATIONAL RAIL DISPUTE

RMT Press Office:

The Rail Delivery Group, which represents the Train Operating Companies (TOCs), has today without any credible explanation refused to make their promised written proposals in the six-month dispute over jobs, terms and conditions and pay.

Similarly, Network Rail has also refused to make any proposals promised at the conclusion of intensive talks last week. RMT suspended strike action on the basis that they would make new proposals by November 17 and it has failed to table anything new.

This will mean that despite having shown good faith in attending a fortnight of discussions with both halves of the industry, the union has no new proposals to consider or put to its members.

RMT’s National Executive Committee will meet tomorrow morning (Tuesday 22nd November 2022) to consider the matter and it is highly likely that further phases of industrial action will be set down.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said:

“After a fortnight of talks, the TOCs had committed to making a firm offer in writing for the first time today.  They cancelled the meeting at an hour’s notice, and we can sense the hand of the Tory government in this as we believe that they are not allowing an offer to be made.

“This is on top of Network Rail failing to make a new proposal at the end of last week.

“Our members have shown their commitment to the dispute and to winning workplace justice in the re-ballot results last week and their union is equally determined to see this dispute through until we get a deal our members can support.

“Tomorrow morning our National Executive Committee will be meeting to consider this. We have been patient and have shown good faith which has not been returned. 

“Therefore, I will be recommending that we set out further phases of sustained industrial action in support of our members.

“While we will remain available for meaningful negotiations it is now obvious that the other side is unwilling or unable to progress matters appropriately, so our action will be reinstated,” he said.

I think we’re going to need a new thread soon. 

 
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