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17.6.2025 (Tuesday) 17:35 - All running AOK
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In "Your rights and redress" [362416/30373/6]
Posted by matth1j at 17:18, 17th June 2025
 
Today my wife had an Advance Single ticket from Swansea to Melksham, with a change at Swindon - £38.50. The Swansea-Swindon train was delayed by about 20 mins, so she missed the 5 min connection.

As the 2nd leg was a TransWilts to Melksham, the next train would have been nearly 2 hours later (assuming it wasn't cancelled ). So she caught the next mainline train to Chippenham and I drove over to pick her up from there.

So what is she entitled to claim for - the ~15 min delay in arriving at Swindon, or what would have been a 2 hour delay had she waited for the next Melksham train?

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362415/30357/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:16, 17th June 2025
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There's a lift also from platform 1 up to the overbridge at the open end of the station too, rather than the schlep around past platform 12....

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362414/30357/46]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:11, 17th June 2025
 
If you book a through ticket to St Pancras, it's only £4 extra above the ticket for Paddington from Melksham (open return, departing after 10am, with Senior railcard, done through GWR). If you come in on platforms 7 or 8, there's ramp access to "first floor" level which gets you to gate-line access to the Hammersmith & City/Circle line, after which there are lifts to the platforms.

If you arrive at any other platform it's a longer schlep around the concourse, but you get to lifts to said "first floor level" on the concourse side of the platform 13-4 gate-line, thereafter to Hammersmith & City as above.

At St Pancras, if I recall correctly, two lifts give you step-free access from tube platform to International Departures, with helpful signs directing you to the correct lifts (I think E & F) to do so.

At Paddington, whichever route you take/have to take if you do not arrive on platforms 7 or 8, I'd guess it's quite a bit further than getting to the bus stop on Praed Street, but at St Pancras it must be much easier than getting off a bus in Euston Road.

Was this mentioned in the consultation, or TfL's response to it? More to the point, have any forum members seen this route recommended or  explained on any journeys they have taken via Paddington to St Pancras International? I only found out about the availability of "Euro High Saver returns" (Open returns valid for two months from nominated date for outward journey) from helpful Goring station staff, and worked the route out myself based on experience finding the new Hammersmith & City gate-lines after they were installed back in my working days when I had to travel up to London for meetings at venues best approached via that line.

Although I've done this route (using the tube) when travelling with my wife, who has some mobility problems not requiring any aids, I am not in a position to comment on how much worse overall it is than using a 205 bus. The fact it has not been mentioned so far in this thread implies that TfL did not mention it, nor investigate its suitability as a recommended alternative, which (if true) I find unimpressive for an integrated transport authority.

Of course, none of the above helps those seeking access between other London termini without the facilities at Paddington and St Pancras. TfL's emphasis on how much they sent communications to those resident along the route indicates an assumption that their buses are only used by locals, and that it did not occur to them that this service was also an important part of the cross-London connections for rail travellers on the national rail system. (On a route linking a number of termini stations, who'd have guessed? . Perhaps us poor yokels outside the M25 don't count.   

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362413/30357/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:46, 17th June 2025
 
Is an underground fare more than a bus fare?
Yes....and you can board any number of buses within an hour for one bus fare too.

Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362412/30367/51]
Posted by stuving at 16:28, 17th June 2025
Already liked by eightonedee
 
The new Diane Abbott?

I don't think the Chief Secretary's job demands an understanding of where the money is being spent - she just has to stop it wherever possible.

Re: "Long Products"... Steel Rail.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362411/30070/51]
Posted by Hal at 15:58, 17th June 2025
 
Good news for Scunthorpe too

Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362410/30367/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:38, 17th June 2025
 
Looks nice - once they decide where they are going to put it..............



The new Diane Abbott?

Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362409/30367/51]
Posted by JayMac at 15:10, 17th June 2025
 
Well, they could put a bridge across the lower Dart. Not sure how they'd fit the approaches in though. They'd have to bulldoze much of Kingswear and Dartmouth.

Re: Where's GrahamE today - 17th June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362408/30372/30]
Posted by grahame at 13:10, 17th June 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
I'd say Hamburg - at least when you go for lunch.

I'm not a hamburger today ... but there may be a similar foodie link

Ah - frankfurters am Main HBf then.

Yep - It's a model on the main concourse at Frankfurt (Main) Hbf ... a change of trains and - err - a hamburger and a coffee there this morning.  For a Euro, they allow it to be driven by drivers of any age.

Re: Lower Thames Crossing, between Tilbury in Essex and Gravesend in Kent
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362407/30367/51]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:47, 17th June 2025
 
Looks nice - once they decide where they are going to put it..............


Re: Where's GrahamE today - 17th June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362406/30372/30]
Posted by stuving at 12:37, 17th June 2025
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I'd say Hamburg - at least when you go for lunch.

I'm not a hamburger today ... but there may be a similar foodie link

Ah - frankfurters am Main HBf then.

Re: Where's GrahamE today - 17th June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362405/30372/30]
Posted by grahame at 12:22, 17th June 2025
 
I'd say Hamburg - at least when you go for lunch.

I'm not a hamburger today ... but there may be a similar foodie link

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362404/29177/26]
Posted by a-driver at 12:14, 17th June 2025
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The mercury reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees at the end of April and we had cancellations and speed restrictions due to what was described at the time as "severe weather" (much to the memorable hilarity of tourists at Paddington from countries who get genuinely severe weather!) , so it's probably safe to assume similar/worse once it rises a few more degrees.

The mercury may have reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees but track temperatures reached 42 degrees. 

Blimey. Hot enough for a BBQ! 

Only if it’s a Sunday!

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362403/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 12:08, 17th June 2025
 
10:53 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill due 13:01 will be terminated at Oxford.
It will no longer call at Hanborough, Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Honeybourne, Evesham, Pershore, Worcestershire Parkway Hl and Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to train crew being delayed

13:16 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 15:22 will be started from Oxford.
It will no longer call at Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury and Hanborough.
This is due to train crew being delayed.

Re: Where's GrahamE today - 17th June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362402/30372/30]
Posted by stuving at 11:43, 17th June 2025
 
I'd say Hamburg - at least when you go for lunch.

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362401/30361/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:57, 17th June 2025
 
Perhaps a suitably trained Alsatian dog could operate the train ?
Not a bad idea, but don't let ASLEF/RMT hear your proposal or they'll have everyone out on strike!

They would need to bear in mind that dogs are highly organised pack animals like humans, and this would just lead to demands such as the right to demand treats after they have wee-ed in the places provided for them, and the right to work wearing nothing but a leather collar.

Would they have Sunday in the woofing week?

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362399/29177/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:35, 17th June 2025
 
The mercury reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees at the end of April and we had cancellations and speed restrictions due to what was described at the time as "severe weather" (much to the memorable hilarity of tourists at Paddington from countries who get genuinely severe weather!) , so it's probably safe to assume similar/worse once it rises a few more degrees.

The mercury may have reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees but track temperatures reached 42 degrees. 

Blimey. Hot enough for a BBQ! 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362398/29177/26]
Posted by a-driver at 10:13, 17th June 2025
 
The mercury reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees at the end of April and we had cancellations and speed restrictions due to what was described at the time as "severe weather" (much to the memorable hilarity of tourists at Paddington from countries who get genuinely severe weather!) , so it's probably safe to assume similar/worse once it rises a few more degrees.

The mercury may have reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees but track temperatures reached 42 degrees. 

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362397/30361/51]
Posted by grahame at 10:03, 17th June 2025
 
Perhaps a suitably trained Alsatian dog could operate the train ?
Not a bad idea, but don't let ASLEF/RMT hear your proposal or they'll have everyone out on strike!

They would need to bear in mind that dogs are highly organised pack animals like humans, and this would just lead to demands such as the right to demand treats after they have wee-ed in the places provided for them, and the right to work wearing nothing but a leather collar.

Where's GrahamE today - 17th June 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [362396/30372/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:56, 17th June 2025
 
Third rail traction from DB - but where?


Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362395/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 09:33, 17th June 2025
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Roger French has written a very good blog about the Consultation on the 205 here https://busandtrainuser.com/2025/06/07/whats-the-point-of-consulting/

That is so useful, Richard, that I quote in critical review ...

Before enacting a change of this significance TfL is obliged to go through a formal consultation process and did so between 21 October 2024 and 10 January 2025. The overwhelming response to the consultation was against the proposed cut and rerouting yet TfL are going ahead regardless. This highlights the useless nature of these formal consultation processes which end up being a tick box exercise and a very costly, bureaucratic and resource intensive exercise too.

I sat on the 205 yesterday watching people struggle to get on around Paddington, and struggle to get off in the Euston / British Library / King's Cross area and know they can look forward to struggling off and on additionally along the Marylebone Road in the future.   And I watched substantial flows leaving Eurostar arrivals with very much more in chattels, aids and dependents with them and heading for the front of the station ... for a proportion I'm sure the 205 to Paddington would have been useful should they know about it.

Is an underground fare more than a bus fare?  How much does it cost TfL for each person they carry in each way between Paddington and Kings Cross / St Pancras?   Are they looking at a raising of extra revenue from the transfer market of none-residents between the termini, and prioritising that over the convenience and care of those people?


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362394/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 09:17, 17th June 2025
 
Tuesday June 17

And after a good day yesterday, today there has been a signal failure between Swindon and Gloucester.

In a very sensible move
07:25 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 09:59 will be diverted between Worcester Shrub Hill and Didcot Parkway.
It will no longer call at Ashchurch For Tewkesbury, Cheltenham Spa, Gloucester, Stonehouse, Stroud, Kemble and Swindon.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
Last Updated:17/06/2025 07:28

Meanwhile, the failure affected the 08:18 Shrub Hill - Paddington.
The incoming stock, train 1G01 0632 Swindon to Shrub Hill was caught up in this. It arrived Stroud +70 and Cheltenham Spa +87 and was cancelled thereafter.

08:18 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
Last Updated:17/06/2025 07:45

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362393/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 09:09, 17th June 2025
 
08:18 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

Re: Tube driver knitting and watching TV
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362392/30361/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:07, 17th June 2025
 
Perhaps a suitably trained Alsatian dog could operate the train ?




Not a bad idea, but don't let ASLEF/RMT hear your proposal or they'll have everyone out on strike!

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362391/30357/46]
Posted by RichardB at 08:39, 17th June 2025
Already liked by GBM, rogerw
 
Roger French has written a very good blog about the Consultation on the 205 here https://busandtrainuser.com/2025/06/07/whats-the-point-of-consulting/

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362390/30357/46]
Posted by RichardB at 08:36, 17th June 2025
 
TfL is having it's budget held back too by the Government - it's not TfL's fault, per se

Big improvement in Spending Review.  https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/spending-review-transport-for-london-grateful-for-2-2bn-settlement-and-dlr-boost-11-06-2025/

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362389/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:04, 17th June 2025
 
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47

06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be delayed between Kemble and Stroud.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

Re: Last minute at "fill my seat" prices on Eurostar
In "Fare's Fair" [362388/30260/4]
Posted by grahame at 07:57, 17th June 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, GBM, eightonedee, Timmer
 
Some pictures from yesterday and this morning, 17.6.2025.   Saving precious inbound/outbound days on my 3 month continuous global pass, which I am splitting into 4 x 2 week trips, I used Eurostar snap to take the train to Brussels yesterday.  It cost me £45, booked about a week ahead for any train between 13:00 and the last train at 19:34 which it inevitably was when train and seating were notified to me 48.5 hours before departure.   I arrived at St Pancras very early - I wanted to do some research first hand from Paddington watching flows of passengers, especially those on journeys with limited mobility (not only 'disabled' but fearful and luggage-encumbered too) and also to allow for any disruption on my 100 mile journey in to London.

St Pancras, and it's neighbour next door at King's Cross - and Paddington too - are lovely stations but overrun by the popularity of services.  But if you arrive early, you can find a quite spot just a flight of stairs up from the main concourse.  In preparation for the Zoo of departure on Eurostar with crazy zigzag lines for security and passport control followed by waiting in an overcrowded lounge where an element of people feel that it's OK to put there baggage on the seat next to them, even if others are left standing.  There *is* a polite and thoughtful element / side to people and I found a seat ...

Paris trains were running an hour late with the last of the day cancelled, the 19:00 being held back to 20:00 so it was really the next-to-last schedule that failed to run.  There was a warning that our Brussels train would be delayed as crew were coming in on another train, but in the end it ran on time.  And so to Brussels, and on to a late check-in at the Ibis Budget in Leuven - but that's a follow up story.
















Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [362387/29177/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:26, 17th June 2025
Already liked by GBM, Witham Bobby
 
The mercury reached the balmy heights of 26 degrees at the end of April and we had cancellations and speed restrictions due to what was described at the time as "severe weather" (much to the memorable hilarity of tourists at Paddington from countries who get genuinely severe weather!) , so it's probably safe to assume similar/worse once it rises a few more degrees.

 
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