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| Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368020/19893/51] Posted by grahame at 11:23, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Now there's a thread - what was your learning to drive car, and what was your first 'own' car (or shared with parents)............
So there was me writing up an answer ... only to look back and see I already did, starting the thread 7 years ago. Perhaps my memory is failing - should I not have remembered that?

For new readers and in a different style
Learned to drive ... Jaguar MkII 2.4, automatic, silver blue, made in 1960 and purchased new by my Grandfather who, sadly, passed away in 1963. My Grandmother kept it, my mother using it to take her shopping weekly and it was used for outings and holidays, and I learned to drive in it - taking my automatic test in about 1972/3. We speculated afterwards that the test examiner had taken me off the normal routes to see how it performed on a faster road. And I do recall being stopped by the police - I must have been 19 - driving Gran around at Connel Ferry on the ramp up to the bridge; doing my maths, she was about 90. Remember that holiday because we took the TS King George V out to Iona in what must have been her last or penultimate year.
First car I owned ... many years later; working in the UK with site visits carrying heavy equipment I have a bright yellow Toyota Cressida company car, and when that was replaced I was allocated the inevitale (in those days) Ford Cortina. Even when I left the company (Tektronix Inc) to take a role in our little startup, the car for optimum tax purposes (and because again the role involved travel with heavy equipment) was a company vehicle. My ex owned a Ford Escort when we met and I took my manual test in that in 1978. Still can't recall the first car I actually owned!
| Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368019/19893/51] Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:52, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Now there's a thread - what was your learning to drive car, and what was your first 'own' car (or shared with parents)............
I was shunting small lorries around in my father's business' yard from age about 12, and from around 16 would drive his Volvo 245 on short journeys
First actual lessons for the driving test started in 1972 as soon as I could. These lessons were in a Vauxhall Viva MkII saloon, complete with matchsticks shoved into the rubber seals of the rear windows to help line up for the "reversing around a corner" task.
I passed a few of weeks later, and was rewarded with an Austin 1100 (very much 2nd hand) to use. Carburettor would flood for no good reason, endless trouble with distributor cap and plug leads, and the long gearstick was a bit of a nightmare
So I've been driving for 53 years+, some of which have seen me drive over 25,000 miles. Probably heading towards a million miles now
| Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368018/19893/51] Posted by GBM at 10:28, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
... The writing is very much on the wall though, and a 10-year-old today is unlikely to need a manual licence because by then new cars will be electric and used ones are more likely to be automatic. Whether that's good or bad is a moot point. Had electric vehicles been predominant from the start of motoring, any young engineer proposing a different type of propulsion involving serial explosions and a whole lot of complicated gear to manage the process would have been laughed at.
With the cost of insurance and cars (especially for learners), a manual car will be all they can afford to start out on.Starting with an automatic test will rule out their first vehicle being a cheap manual.
Now there's a thread - what was your learning to drive car, and what was your first 'own' car (or shared with parents)............
| Re: Recycling rubbish - something of a minefield? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368017/30854/31] Posted by johnneyw at 10:23, 11th November 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby | ![]() |
Coffee bean containers; washing tablet containers.
If either of these are soft plastic wrapping then they can be recycled at many Tesco (and perhaps other) supermarkets where there are large containers provided. These can be turned into, amongst other things, railway sleepers, boardwalks etc.
Whilst on the subject of where to recycle items, I had difficulty finding places that would accept old duvets for recycling until I discovered that Dunelm branches take them in the containers near their store entrances and exits.
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368016/29711/14] Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:23, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
07:50 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 10:14 will be terminated at Oxford.
It will no longer call at Hanborough, Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Honeybourne, Evesham, Pershore, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcester Foregate Street, Malvern Link and Great Malvern.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:11/11/2025 09:13
It will no longer call at Hanborough, Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Honeybourne, Evesham, Pershore, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcester Foregate Street, Malvern Link and Great Malvern.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:11/11/2025 09:13
10:59 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 13:25 will be started from Oxford.
It will no longer call at Great Malvern, Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury and Hanborough.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:11/11/2025 09:13
It will no longer call at Great Malvern, Malvern Link, Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Pershore, Evesham, Honeybourne, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury and Hanborough.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:11/11/2025 09:13
| Re: Recycling rubbish - something of a minefield? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368015/30854/31] Posted by GBM at 10:11, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Coffee bean containers; washing tablet containers. All advise not to recycle at home (for us in Cornwall, that is).
Our nearest Council tip is a 15 mile drive; plus we have to book a slot these days (to reduce overcrowding).
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368014/29711/14] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:02, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
...and something for the weekend:
While enjoying a visit to, primarily, Stratford-upon-Avon, on Saturday 08/11 we took the bus to Moreton-in-Marsh and, time allowing, also decided to take the train to Evesham. As luck would have it 1W02 PAD 1150 > HFD 1443 was 20 mins late at MIM and 21 late getting to EVE. The MIM station PA attributed the delay to 'a fire alarm sounding in a signal box'.
On a 'nothing out of the ordinary' November Saturday a 9 Car IET seemed a tad OTT!
| Re: GWR Christmas and New Year restrictions 2025 In "Fare's Fair" [368013/31074/4] Posted by grahame at 08:53, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
It skips the weekends and Bank holiday 1st January, why not say what happens on those for completeness.
The original (posted up-thread) is complete ... I quoted only that days I am questioning for railcards, rovers, rangers and groupsave which are clearly available without time restrictions on the days omitted.
| Re: GWR Christmas and New Year restrictions 2025 In "Fare's Fair" [368012/31074/4] Posted by John D at 08:47, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
For GWR priced journeys, the following easements have been implemented for Christmas & New Year 2025/6
Friday 19: Normal weekday restrictions apply
Monday 22/Tuesday 23/Wednesday 24: Off-peak no restrictions; Super Off-peak normal restrictions apply; weekend first available
Monday 29/Tuesday 30/Wednesday 31/Friday 2: Off-peak & Super Off-peak no restrictions; weekend first available
Monday 5 onwards: Normal restrictions apply
*passengers taking advantage of the easements should note these are for GWR only; other TOCs may have different easements, for example if arriving at Paddington before 09.30 on a super/off-peak ticket, passengers may need to wait until 09.30 to comment further travel.
Friday 19: Normal weekday restrictions apply
Monday 22/Tuesday 23/Wednesday 24: Off-peak no restrictions; Super Off-peak normal restrictions apply; weekend first available
Monday 29/Tuesday 30/Wednesday 31/Friday 2: Off-peak & Super Off-peak no restrictions; weekend first available
Monday 5 onwards: Normal restrictions apply
*passengers taking advantage of the easements should note these are for GWR only; other TOCs may have different easements, for example if arriving at Paddington before 09.30 on a super/off-peak ticket, passengers may need to wait until 09.30 to comment further travel.
Never keep it consistent to help people understand it. What are the start times for time specific railcards on these days, and for anyone using ranger and rover tickets? Which days does the Groupsave time restriction apply on?
It skips the weekends and Bank holiday 1st January, why not say what happens on those for completeness.
How is anyone supposed to know what is a GWR priced journey, if I visit my in-laws in Ipswich, Chichester or Swansea, who prices it, and if I split ticket it, where do I split to get best advantage.
Of the 270 stations that GWR serves, how many combinations can you use weekend First, it's a tiny fraction of the combinations, does it mean will introduce First class on days quoted, doesn't say otherwise, and doesn't say limited to where available either, so what are they saying
To be honest, nice idea, but execution needs some work as too vague unless doing a local journey wholly in GWR area.
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368011/31055/24] Posted by REVUpminster at 08:45, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
So far two refurbished 2 car units are at Laira and four unrefurbished.
I suspect as soon as as refurbished 3 car comes down a HST diagram will go before being used for Barnstaple.
I suspect as soon as as refurbished 3 car comes down a HST diagram will go before being used for Barnstaple.
That would seem likely ... provided that sufficient crew training has been completed and there is a modicum of fixing skills/experience in place in case one fails with passengers on board. Top priority has been stated as being to phase out the HSTs ...
175007 is out and about today.
Maybe practising 5 car working?
| Re: GWR Christmas and New Year restrictions 2025 In "Fare's Fair" [368009/31074/4] Posted by grahame at 07:54, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
For GWR priced journeys, the following easements have been implemented for Christmas & New Year 2025/6
Friday 19: Normal weekday restrictions apply
Monday 22/Tuesday 23/Wednesday 24: Off-peak no restrictions; Super Off-peak normal restrictions apply; weekend first available
Monday 29/Tuesday 30/Wednesday 31/Friday 2: Off-peak & Super Off-peak no restrictions; weekend first available
Monday 5 onwards: Normal restrictions apply
*passengers taking advantage of the easements should note these are for GWR only; other TOCs may have different easements, for example if arriving at Paddington before 09.30 on a super/off-peak ticket, passengers may need to wait until 09.30 to comment further travel.
Friday 19: Normal weekday restrictions apply
Monday 22/Tuesday 23/Wednesday 24: Off-peak no restrictions; Super Off-peak normal restrictions apply; weekend first available
Monday 29/Tuesday 30/Wednesday 31/Friday 2: Off-peak & Super Off-peak no restrictions; weekend first available
Monday 5 onwards: Normal restrictions apply
*passengers taking advantage of the easements should note these are for GWR only; other TOCs may have different easements, for example if arriving at Paddington before 09.30 on a super/off-peak ticket, passengers may need to wait until 09.30 to comment further travel.
Never keep it consistent to help people understand it. What are the start times for time specific railcards on these days, and for anyone using ranger and rover tickets? Which days does the Groupsave time restriction apply on?
| Re: New 'Long Weekender' fares from Paddington to Swindon/Bath/Bristol/Cardiff In "Fare's Fair" [368008/26745/4] Posted by grahame at 07:50, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Further promotions ... https://www.gwr.com/your-tickets/ways-to-save/long-weekender
If you're starting from London or Reading ... outbound Friday, return Monday, flexible travel in the peaks at a discounted rate to 14 major GWR destinations.
Leave on a Friday or Saturday, return on a Monday and save over 50% compared to an Anytime Return.
The Long Weekender now gives you the chance to travel to even more destinations than before, with the fully flexible fare allowing you to travel whenever you'd like on the permitted travel days.
So whether that’s for more headspace in Bristol, more calm in Cardiff or more zen in Bath, book the GWR Long Weekender ticket.
Leave on a Friday or Saturday, return on a Monday and save over 50% compared to an Anytime Return.
The Long Weekender now gives you the chance to travel to even more destinations than before, with the fully flexible fare allowing you to travel whenever you'd like on the permitted travel days.
So whether that’s for more headspace in Bristol, more calm in Cardiff or more zen in Bath, book the GWR Long Weekender ticket.
| Conductor / Train Manager vacancies - Westbury - November 2025 In "Who's who on Western railways" [368007/31078/2] Posted by grahame at 07:19, 11th November 2025 Already liked by Mark A, rogerw | ![]() |
From First Group careers website picked up via a sponsored advert on my Facebook feed

Conductor
Westbury
£37,251after training
Who are we?
GWR is the proud custodian of Brunel's railway - one of the most prestigious in the world. We have some of the newest trains in the country and exciting plans to extend our services and open new stations. With more than one hundred million passenger journeys each year, we carry people to over 280 stations in the South West, from Cornwall and South Wales to London, passing through beautiful country and some of the UK's top tourist destinations.
We are transforming the way people think about train travel, empowering our team of nearly 7,000 people from diverse backgrounds to make it a great experience for our customers. Together, we will revalue rail as a very special way to travel.
About the team
Conductors are part of the On Train team and work alongside colleagues from Revenue Protection, particularly our Ticket Examiners. You will also liaise with the driver of the train and station colleagues.
What is the job?
As a Conductor, you will deliver a world-class customer experience throughout the journey and will ensure the safety of everyone using GWR services. You will be able to adapt to new people, new places and new situations. We are proud in GWR to share a common set of values – these help us deliver for our customers and serve our communities across the West. Working on board our trains, you will clearly demonstrate these behaviours and attitudes.
What are the responsibilities?
To be an ambassador for Great Western Railway by delivering the best customer experience and a safe journey.
To be visible to our customers, providing information and help in a friendly and reassuring way.
To manage the safety and operational activities of the train.
To check and sell tickets, providing information and assistance as required.
To ensure a safe, clean, and pleasant environment is maintained.
About you?
If you can say “Yes” to these questions, this could be your ideal job!
Are you passionate and proactive about delivering outstanding customer service?
Are you determined to always perform well and be proud to portray a professional image?
Can you be flexible in your working with the ability to work a variety of shifts including weekends and bank holidays?
Would you be comfortable with working in a strictly regulated industry?
Would you like a job where no two days are the same?
Are you able to stay cool, calm, and collected when things don't go to plan?
What do I need?
An understanding of customers' needs.
Excellent communication skills.
The ability to build relationships and work as part of a team.
Experience of front-line customer service.
The confidence to manage challenging situations.
Where is the job?
The position is based at Westbury Train Crew Depot next to the station and this is where you will start and end your shifts.
What else do I need to know?
The shifts include early starts and late finishes as well as weekends and bank holidays. You will be working an average of 35 hours a week. Starting and finishing times may be at times when public transport is not available so you must be able to get to and from the station without relying on this. You must live within 60 minutes travelling time of the depot. As this is a safety-critical role, you must be over 18. You will have a medical which will include testing your hearing, vision and colour vision.
The Reward
As well as a great team environment and comprehensive training, all GWR colleagues enjoy a range of benefits including on-going development and opportunity to progress, defined benefit pension scheme, free rail travel across the GWR network for you and your family, company-sponsored health care plan, discounted shopping and gym membership, and an employee assistance programme.
The basic rate of pay during your training is £25,501 and this rises to a basic rate of £37,251 once you are productive. With enhancements, many conductors earn over £40,000 a year.
We all belong at GWR. This is our vision for providing an inclusive environment for all our colleagues, ensuring all candidates have an equal opportunity to access meaningful employment.
We value our differences such as age, gender, LGBTQIA, ethnicity, religion and disability. We maintain zero tolerance towards any form of prejudice towards our colleagues, customers, and future talent.
We celebrate and encourage diversity of thought, progressive ways of working and seeing all our colleagues grow and thrive.
We review all roles and job descriptions to ensure they are accessible and, where possible, we support and provide flexible working options; we recommend that you refer to each vacancy description for further details.
If you require additional support to complete your application due to a disability or neurodivergent condition such as dyslexia, dyspraxia, or autism, please follow the links below. We encourage you to share any additional needs you may require so we can provide a fair and equal process for all who apply.
| Re: Recycling rubbish - something of a minefield? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368006/30854/31] Posted by grahame at 06:32, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Firstly, charity shops an appeal, please take your items in as early in the morning as that it when most volunteers are there to sort the items.
Just a word of caution - my understanding is that most charity shops get lots of donations that they cannot use [at any time of day] and would love you to give them only things good enough for them to sell on. Comment made here because this suggestion is posted under a "recycling rubbish" title and the charity shops for the most part don't want rubbish.
Interesting article in From New Civil Engineer
Rail minister Lord Hendy says he expects that rail reform will bring “more reliability, higher revenue and reduced cost” on the UK’s railways.
Last week, the government introduced its long-trailed Railways Bill to Parliament. This will establish Great British Railways (GBR) to bring control of the infrastructure and services under one publicly-owned entity that will be “responsible for coordinating the whole network: from track and train, to cost and revenue”, according to the Department for Transport. This, it says, will “create a simpler, more unified railway that delivers easier journeys and offers better value for money”.
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Last week, the government introduced its long-trailed Railways Bill to Parliament. This will establish Great British Railways (GBR) to bring control of the infrastructure and services under one publicly-owned entity that will be “responsible for coordinating the whole network: from track and train, to cost and revenue”, according to the Department for Transport. This, it says, will “create a simpler, more unified railway that delivers easier journeys and offers better value for money”.
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| Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025 In "Across the West" [368004/29650/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 05:48, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington
Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington will be cancelled, delayed or terminated at and started back from Reading. Twyford, Maidenhead and Slough will not be served.
Customer Advice
What has happened?
A crack in a rail has been discovered in the Hayes & Harlington area. This defect cannot be fixed until Tuesday night at the earliest.
.......the majority of Elizabeth Line trains are also being cancelled.
| Re: Recycling rubbish - something of a minefield? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368003/30854/31] Posted by infoman at 03:52, 11th November 2025 | ![]() |
Firstly, charity shops an appeal, please take your items in as early in the morning as that it when most volunteers are there to sort the items.
The amount of times I have seen notices at charity shops in the afternoon saying "no more donations excepted today"
In the greater Bristol area,South Glos don't take rigid plastic,but Bristol Central does.
| Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion, bus services and infrastructure - ongoing discussion In "Buses and other ways to travel" [368002/22894/5] Posted by TonyK at 23:25, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
My thanks from your, at least one, reader. These road improvement schemes - 10 of them, mind - seem to have been done at breakneck when one considers how long rail plans take to come to fruition.
I shall go the other way to Bristol next year if I have to drive.
| Birmingham New Street - Woman stabbed at nearby bus stop attack dies - Nov 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368001/31077/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:18, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
I'm posting this here as it relates to an incident (sadly, now fatal) just across the road from Birmingham New Street railway station.
From the BBC:

The attack happened opposite the main entrance to Birmingham New Street station
A woman who was stabbed in the neck in an unprovoked attack at a bus stop in Birmingham has died, police have confirmed.
Katie Fox, 34, was targeted in Smallbrook Queensway, just outside the Bullring shopping centre, shortly before 21:00 GMT on Friday.
Djeison Rafael, 21, appeared before Birmingham Magistrates' Court on Monday charged over the attack. He was previously accused of attempted murder, but following Ms Fox's death, the charge has been updated to murder.
The 21-year-old, of Rosedale Avenue, Smethwick, is also charged with two counts of causing actual bodily harm on 27 October and 7 November, possession of a Stanley blade and assaulting a detention escort officer.
Mr Rafael, who appeared before District Judge John Bristow, was told to be quiet as he interrupted the six-minute hearing multiple times. He was told he was not going to be asked to enter any pleas because the offences were too serious to be dealt with by the magistrates' court.
The case was sent to Birmingham Crown Court for a hearing on 12 November.
(BBC article continues)
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368000/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 23:09, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
1W02 11:52 London Paddington to Hereford (14:44) : on time at Oxford, arrived Shrub Hill +14 (engines?), departed +20, held Ledbury, arrived +32.
1W29 14:53 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street (17:04) : held Evesham (+16), arrived +15.
2E14 17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham (18:23) : held Wolvercote, arrived +25.
1W33 16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern : held Wolvercote, arrived Shrub Hill +32 and cancelled thereafter, due to train crew issues.
1W03 17:34 London Paddington to Hereford : on time at Oxford, passed Norton +20, arrived Shrub Hill +44, arrived +41.
1W34 17:57 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street (20:11) : Oxford +1, arrived +16.
1W36 18:57 London Paddington to Great Malvern (21:18) : departed +20, arrived +29.
1W05 19:53 London Paddington to Hereford () : five-car set, departed +20,
1P05 15:18 Hereford to London Paddington (18:29) : departed +23, saved 8 at Great Malvern, arrived +36.
1P42 19:02 Great Malvern to London Paddington (21:26) : held Norton (+11), arrived +17.
1P46 20:56 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington (23:41) : held Norton (+18)
That is such good news, and I hope his recovery continues rapidly. His medal should be as big as the frying pan he reportedly used in his attempt to stop the attacker.
My grandad (* 1908) had the most amazing driving licence. Every conceivable category including (what was then) tracked, road roller and trolley vehicle - and he never sat a test in his life.
Apprenticed as a motor mechanic in the late 1920s, he was sent out to the Post Office with his 3/6 to get a driving licence, (radio and dog licences were also available at the same counter) and off he went. Grandfather [sic] Clauses assured the rest, and he drove thus to his dying day. Not behind the wheel, I must add.
Apprenticed as a motor mechanic in the late 1920s, he was sent out to the Post Office with his 3/6 to get a driving licence, (radio and dog licences were also available at the same counter) and off he went. Grandfather [sic] Clauses assured the rest, and he drove thus to his dying day. Not behind the wheel, I must add.
Much like my dad, courtesy of the army in the latter stages of WWII. He didn't use anything much other than the car licence after that. He did give me my first driving lesson, in a Ford Pop, at the age of 10 or 11. This was on a quiet public lane(!) on the moors north of Oldham, and I didn't do too badly.
My son learned in an automatic because of disability some 25 years ago, and was a bit of an outlier then. I've driven all sorts since those first faltering steps in a 3-gear non-syncromesh banger, switching to automatic 5 years ago because of arthritis in my clutch leg being a bit painful. I went electric 2 years ago, and I'm not going back, but I can still drive anything manual. The writing is very much on the wall though, and a 10-year-old today is unlikely to need a manual licence because by then new cars will be electric and used ones are more likely to be automatic. Whether that's good or bad is a moot point. Had electric vehicles been predominant from the start of motoring, any young engineer proposing a different type of propulsion involving serial explosions and a whole lot of complicated gear to manage the process would have been laughed at.
But - earlier this year, I had the privilege of an hour in a proper A330 simulator, a £30 million rig used to train real pilots. I flew from Brize Norton to Heathrow, finding my own way with the help of the GPS and making "not a shabby landing at all" in the words of my instructor. Not so good on my second attempt at JFK, although all passengers would have walked away, cursing. The men and women who fly the aircraft go through every condition imaginable in the same simulator, be they RAF or civilian, but every single one of them began their flying in a single engine fossil fuel-powered propellor-driven machine, using a scale rule and square protractor to plot a route on a chart, and a circular slide rule known as a flight computer from the days before there were electric computers. They would have looked out of the window to see where they were along the route, and done a lot of the calculations on paper that a modern airliner does automatically. Maybe, just maybe, the old skills make a better driver, just as they teach a pilot the principles of the art from the ground up. As an old man, I will forever cling to that belief.
I found this video of interest, published yesterday - an interesting discussion about bringing the line back into public service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aVJER9GQR4
| Re: Caledonian MacBrayne ferries in Scotland In "Buses and other ways to travel" [367996/30034/5] Posted by TonyK at 22:14, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Over £1m spent on sending Scottish ferry staff to Turkey

More than £1m has been spent sending CalMac and CMAL staff to Turkey to oversee the construction of four new ferries, a freedom of information request has revealed.
The two companies, which operate and manage Scotland's nationalised ferry networks, have spent £1,016,162 on remuneration, subsistence, accommodation, flights and car hires on staff visiting the Turkish yard since 2022.
The Scottish Conservatives, who obtained the figures, said taxpayers were being "left to pick up the tab" for the SNP's "ferries fiasco which has left islanders without the vessels they need".
CalMac and CMAL said their staff's work in Turkey was "vital" and "essential".
A CalMac spokeswoman said most of the money related to staff costs, including wages, which would have been paid regardless of where the crew were. She said the extra amount - £23,000 - was for travel and subsistence costs which covered flights to and from Turkey, hotel accommodation, and general subsistence costs.
CMAL also said the same wages would have been paid to its staff regardless of travel costs.
The Cemre shipyard in Turkey was awarded the contracts to build four new vessels worth more than £200m.
These vessels are the MV Isle of Islay - which is due in November and will operate on the Kennacraig to Islay route - the MV Loch Indaal, MV Lochmor and MV Claymore at six-month intervals after the first vessel's delivery.
CalMac sent eight staff to Turkey, spending £845,981, while £170,181 was spent on five CMAL employees.
One Ferguson Marine employee was also sent to Turkey but the costs were covered by CMAL.
The first of the Turkish ferries, MV Isle of Islay, was launched a year ago by Morag McNeill, the chairwoman of CMAL, in a ceremony at the Cemre shipyard.
The nationalised Ferguson Marine is currently building two separate ferries - the Glen Sannox and the still under construction Glen Rosa.
The costs of the vessels has risen to more than four times their original £97m price tag, and were pushed back for completion several times.
Tory transport spokeswoman Sue Webber said taxpayers were being forced to foot yet another hefty bill. "After squandering half-a-billion pounds on the Glen Sannox and Glen Rosa, ministers have blown another £1m flying staff to Turkey to keep tabs on the ferries being built there. Some project oversight is understandable after the huge problems with the Ferguson-built ferries - but this level of spending seems excessive."
Webber said the SNP had "betrayed islanders and taxpayers at every turn" by leaving remote communities reliant on out-of-date vessels while "letting costs spiral out of control for hard-pressed Scots".
"SNP ministers, who are responsible for Ferguson Marine, must finally provide the support the yard needs to compete, so that ferries can be built here in Scotland, not abroad," she added.
The CalMac spokeswoman said: "New vessels are an essential addition to the CalMac fleet and we are very much looking forward to MV Isle of Islay joining us next month. Staff and crew have been spending valuable time at the yard in Turkey carrying out vital work to support CMAL with the build process and to ensure that the vessel is built as specified, and meets all legal and classification standards. This is the same as the process involved for MV Glen Sannox before she joined the fleet."
She added that staff working in Turkey included marine and technical specialists as well as the senior crew who will be responsible for the vessel's safe passage to Scotland. "Their role includes the implementation of the important processes and procedures required to gain the necessary safety management and other certification needed to operate the vessel in UK waters," she added. "Thirteen brand new vessels will be joining CalMac by 2029 and will be of huge benefit to service resilience and reliability, to the benefit of all customers, including island communities."
A spokesperson for CMAL said: "CMAL is required on site throughout the build of vessels to provide essential quality assurance and supervision. Remuneration is the same regardless of the build location, and travel and accommodation costs are standard. These form part of the overall project budget, which remains on target."
A Transport Scotland spokesperson said: "As people would expect, CMAL has been and is continuing to work closely with the shipyard to reduce the time between delivery of each of the new vessels where possible. We expect delivery of MV Isle of Islay later this year and MV Lochmor was successfully launched on 23 August 2025 marking another construction milestone."

More than £1m has been spent sending CalMac and CMAL staff to Turkey to oversee the construction of four new ferries, a freedom of information request has revealed.
The two companies, which operate and manage Scotland's nationalised ferry networks, have spent £1,016,162 on remuneration, subsistence, accommodation, flights and car hires on staff visiting the Turkish yard since 2022.
The Scottish Conservatives, who obtained the figures, said taxpayers were being "left to pick up the tab" for the SNP's "ferries fiasco which has left islanders without the vessels they need".
CalMac and CMAL said their staff's work in Turkey was "vital" and "essential".
A CalMac spokeswoman said most of the money related to staff costs, including wages, which would have been paid regardless of where the crew were. She said the extra amount - £23,000 - was for travel and subsistence costs which covered flights to and from Turkey, hotel accommodation, and general subsistence costs.
CMAL also said the same wages would have been paid to its staff regardless of travel costs.
The Cemre shipyard in Turkey was awarded the contracts to build four new vessels worth more than £200m.
These vessels are the MV Isle of Islay - which is due in November and will operate on the Kennacraig to Islay route - the MV Loch Indaal, MV Lochmor and MV Claymore at six-month intervals after the first vessel's delivery.
CalMac sent eight staff to Turkey, spending £845,981, while £170,181 was spent on five CMAL employees.
One Ferguson Marine employee was also sent to Turkey but the costs were covered by CMAL.
The first of the Turkish ferries, MV Isle of Islay, was launched a year ago by Morag McNeill, the chairwoman of CMAL, in a ceremony at the Cemre shipyard.
The nationalised Ferguson Marine is currently building two separate ferries - the Glen Sannox and the still under construction Glen Rosa.
The costs of the vessels has risen to more than four times their original £97m price tag, and were pushed back for completion several times.
Tory transport spokeswoman Sue Webber said taxpayers were being forced to foot yet another hefty bill. "After squandering half-a-billion pounds on the Glen Sannox and Glen Rosa, ministers have blown another £1m flying staff to Turkey to keep tabs on the ferries being built there. Some project oversight is understandable after the huge problems with the Ferguson-built ferries - but this level of spending seems excessive."
Webber said the SNP had "betrayed islanders and taxpayers at every turn" by leaving remote communities reliant on out-of-date vessels while "letting costs spiral out of control for hard-pressed Scots".
"SNP ministers, who are responsible for Ferguson Marine, must finally provide the support the yard needs to compete, so that ferries can be built here in Scotland, not abroad," she added.
The CalMac spokeswoman said: "New vessels are an essential addition to the CalMac fleet and we are very much looking forward to MV Isle of Islay joining us next month. Staff and crew have been spending valuable time at the yard in Turkey carrying out vital work to support CMAL with the build process and to ensure that the vessel is built as specified, and meets all legal and classification standards. This is the same as the process involved for MV Glen Sannox before she joined the fleet."
She added that staff working in Turkey included marine and technical specialists as well as the senior crew who will be responsible for the vessel's safe passage to Scotland. "Their role includes the implementation of the important processes and procedures required to gain the necessary safety management and other certification needed to operate the vessel in UK waters," she added. "Thirteen brand new vessels will be joining CalMac by 2029 and will be of huge benefit to service resilience and reliability, to the benefit of all customers, including island communities."
A spokesperson for CMAL said: "CMAL is required on site throughout the build of vessels to provide essential quality assurance and supervision. Remuneration is the same regardless of the build location, and travel and accommodation costs are standard. These form part of the overall project budget, which remains on target."
A Transport Scotland spokesperson said: "As people would expect, CMAL has been and is continuing to work closely with the shipyard to reduce the time between delivery of each of the new vessels where possible. We expect delivery of MV Isle of Islay later this year and MV Lochmor was successfully launched on 23 August 2025 marking another construction milestone."
That's much ado about nothing. I would assume you can't learn how to sail a particular ferry whilst sailing on its maiden voyage across the Med and up the Atlantic from a YouTube video.
From the BBC:
Gatwick second runway challenge filed at High Court
A legal challenge to the government's decision to approve a second runway at Gatwick Airport has been filed at the High Court, campaigners have said.
In its judicial review claim, Communities against Gatwick Noise Emissions (Cagne) alleges officials unlawfully failed to properly assess the environmental impact of the project.
Cagne told the government in October it planned to challenge its decision to back the expansion.
The Department for Transport said it was unable to comment due to ongoing legal proceedings.
Gatwick said it intended to participate in the proceedings as an interested party but "while legal proceedings are in progress it would not be appropriate to comment any further".
The £2.2bn privately-financed project includes effectively moving the existing northern runway to bring it into regular use, alongside other developments, such as extending the airport's terminals.
Gatwick estimates the expansion could result in more than 100,000 extra flights per year by the late 2030s, and says passenger numbers could rise to 80 million.
Chancellor Rachel Reeves said in September the plans would create "thousands of jobs and billions in investment".
The West Sussex airfield is currently Europe's busiest single-runway airport with more than 40 million passengers using it every year.
(BBC article continues)
A legal challenge to the government's decision to approve a second runway at Gatwick Airport has been filed at the High Court, campaigners have said.
In its judicial review claim, Communities against Gatwick Noise Emissions (Cagne) alleges officials unlawfully failed to properly assess the environmental impact of the project.
Cagne told the government in October it planned to challenge its decision to back the expansion.
The Department for Transport said it was unable to comment due to ongoing legal proceedings.
Gatwick said it intended to participate in the proceedings as an interested party but "while legal proceedings are in progress it would not be appropriate to comment any further".
The £2.2bn privately-financed project includes effectively moving the existing northern runway to bring it into regular use, alongside other developments, such as extending the airport's terminals.
Gatwick estimates the expansion could result in more than 100,000 extra flights per year by the late 2030s, and says passenger numbers could rise to 80 million.
Chancellor Rachel Reeves said in September the plans would create "thousands of jobs and billions in investment".
The West Sussex airfield is currently Europe's busiest single-runway airport with more than 40 million passengers using it every year.
(BBC article continues)
This is excellent news for lawyers, to whom the result is unimportant. Less so for the taxpayer, who will be paying a sizeable chunk of the costs. At least it's only the High Court so far.
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [367994/29711/14] Posted by charles_uk at 21:08, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
Not mentioned on JourneyCheck but this evening's 1953 Paddington to Hereford train is a five car short-formation which, presumably, means tomorrow's 0523 Hereford to Paddington service will also be a short-form.
| 'Bird flu outbreak' as dead swans found near Backwell lake (North Somerset) In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [367993/31076/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:30, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
This is local to me - I walk past that lake on my way to our station.
From the BBC:

Experts have warned of a bird flu outbreak after dead swans were found near a popular lake.
The five birds at Backwell Lake, near Bristol, on Sunday morning displayed signs of Avian Influenza, including blue eyes, animal charity Curious Critters said.
It comes as the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) issued a mandatory housing order to cover England following escalating numbers of the virus.
A Curious Critter spokesperson posted on Facebook saying: "We are very confident we are looking at an Avian Influenza outbreak and would ask that the community please follow the guidelines."
They added: "Retrieving the deceased swans will have played a huge role in safeguarding the remaining wildlife."
So far this season - which began in October - there have been 26 cases of highly pathogenic avian influenza, external (HPAI) H5N1 on farms across the UK, with 22 in England.
The public has been urged to keep dogs on leads and not feed wild waterfowl including ducks and geese.
Please note that guidance.

| Oswestry, Shropshire - Range lorry stuck as driver 'misjudged' bridge: Nov 2025 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367992/31075/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:20, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
From the BBC:

An HGV lorry got stuck under a bridge in Shropshire because the driver had "misjudged heights", say police.
West Mercia Police attended the scene on Whittington Road in Oswestry at about 20:35 GMT on Saturday, where the lorry with the livery of retailer The Range on the side had become wedged underneath the Cambrian Railway Bridge.
The force said the road was closed for several hours to allow for the recovery of the vehicle and thanked motorists and nearby residents for their patience.
It added that there were no injuries and no arrests made.
The Range has also been contacted for comment.

| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025 In "TransWilts line" [367991/29726/18] Posted by bobm at 18:59, 10th November 2025 | ![]() |
That train was operated by two 158s - including 158766 which had covered the last train from Swindon to run prior to the cancellations. May be a way of getting it back to Bristol for proper attention by the fitters.














