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Re: Woman punched on Tube 'failed by emergency system' - Victoria Line, 27 Mar 2025
In "Transport for London" [360153/30104/46]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:38, 4th April 2025
 
A horrible experience for this lady

Where does this leave "See it.  Say it.  Sorted." ?

There's very litle point in a help point that doesn't offer help.  It becomes just a point

Re: New station at North Filton/Brabazon, Bristol
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360152/24927/21]
Posted by johnneyw at 10:33, 4th April 2025
 
YTL have submitted a planning application for "Station Square"  next to the arenal station which includes one of those CGI images of how it probably won't look when it's built.
The proposals include provision for permanent and temporary 'pop up' food and drink offerings, occasional markets as well a bike parking provision (apparently for 100 bikes which seems very well short of excessive to me).  Here's the link to the article in question.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/brabazon-public-square-plans-unveiled-10079624


Re: Gordon Pettitt 12/04/34 - 31/03/25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360151/30107/51]
Posted by Mark A at 09:47, 4th April 2025
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It's worth spending time with his book "The Regional Railways Story". (If no second hand copy, public libraries will help you lay hands on one). It's a loss to the travelling public that privatisation put his arc of progress on inter-regional services into reverse.

Mark


Re: Extreme Day Trips
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360150/30054/5]
Posted by PhilWakely at 09:40, 4th April 2025
 
You can never simply walk up & get on - even without luggage.

Whilst we had to go through Norwegian security on arrival at Tromso on my day (or rather night) trip from Exeter, we simply walked from coach to aircraft when returning to Tromso airport, with no checks whatsoever.

A complete contrast when just transiting at Los Angeles on a (rather longer than a day) trip to New Zealand ten years ago! All I did was walk from aircraft to transit lounge and back to the aircraft 90 minutes later, but much of that break was spent going through (hardly!) LAX security - body scanner, fingerprints taken, etc, etc. Obviously no luggage check as that was still on the aircraft.

Re: Nottingham to Bristol TM open access service proposed
In "Across the West" [360149/30098/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 08:48, 4th April 2025
 
I think so - but the answer will be in the TWA report from the Inspector, available somewhere on the DfT website, I suspect

Re: Nottingham to Bristol TM open access service proposed
In "Across the West" [360148/30098/26]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:42, 4th April 2025
 
That woud certainly explain why the DfT now refuses to countenance upgrading the Aylesbury Vale parkway to EWR line then, if they can't allow trains via PRR from EWR

Is that decision driven by capacity constraints on the single line from AYS to PRR?

Re: Gordon Pettitt 12/04/34 - 31/03/25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360147/30107/51]
Posted by Clan Line at 08:41, 4th April 2025
 
Very large obituary in today's Telegraph.

Re: Changes to the Highway Code
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360146/25290/50]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:34, 4th April 2025
 
just wondering if there any countries in the World that don't require a driving licence
Isle of Sark (Channel Islands). 

I see from the link though, that horse carriage drivers need a licence on Sark. Something that you don't need in the rest of the British Isles. 

Re: did any one attend this rail event in Cardiff
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [360145/30099/23]
Posted by infoman at 01:45, 4th April 2025
 
Below the Panellists: it says
James Jackson – GBRTT
Alexia Course – Chief Commercial Officer – TfW
Welsh Government – senior official TBC

Would the Government official actually be Ken Skates as he is mentioned in the panellists  or some one else?

Re: Changes to the Highway Code
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360144/25290/50]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:13, 3rd April 2025
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just wondering if there any countries in the World that don't require a driving licence

Isle of Sark (Channel Islands). 


Re: Gordon Pettitt 12/04/34 - 31/03/25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360143/30107/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:56, 3rd April 2025
 
Sadly, we don't have details about Gordon Pettitt here on the Coffee Shop forum, but I do commend this - on another railway forum: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gordon-pettitt-1934-2025.284185/

CfN. 

Re: Gordon Pettitt 12/04/34 - 31/03/25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360142/30107/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:30, 3rd April 2025
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There are some great tributes on Twitter/X

Re: did any one attend this rail event in Cardiff
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [360141/30099/23]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:27, 3rd April 2025
 
If you scroll down that page, the speakers are pictured & named - your man was Ken Skates

Gordon Pettitt 12/04/34 - 31/03/25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360140/30107/51]
Posted by Mark A at 21:27, 3rd April 2025
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I loved his vision for Regional Railways. The rail system is the poorer for it (and him) being no longer with us. Thoughts with his family.

Mark

Re: Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [360139/30105/20]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:56, 3rd April 2025
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Not sure if this is the correct thread...

It wasn't - but that is absolutely no problem, matth1j. 

MOVED: Fratton to Bristol Temple Meads
In "Heart of Wessex" [360138/30106/19]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:52, 3rd April 2025

Woman punched on Tube 'failed by emergency system' - Victoria Line, 27 Mar 2025
In "Transport for London" [360137/30104/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:31, 3rd April 2025
 
From the BBC:

A woman who was attacked on a Tube train in central London has said she was then left standing on a platform for a "harrowing" 30 minutes because no one answered the emergency calls she made from a help point.

Sally Wynter said she had been left traumatised after being punched by a stranger on a busy Victoria line train on 27 March, but her attacker was able to get away because she could not raise the alarm.

Ms Wynter has written to Sir Sadiq Khan - who has overall responsibility for the Tube network - describing the intercom system as a failure and urging him to "fix it now".

City Hall has apologised, saying it was unacceptable her calls were not answered and an investigation had begun.

Ms Wynter told BBC London that as her train had approached Green Park station at about 16:30 GMT, she "suddenly felt a punch to the right side of my right arm.  I was pushed into the glass by a stranger that I hadn't seen before," she said, adding her attacker then got off the train.

When she got off the Tube at the next stop, Oxford Circus, she was "in shock" and pressed the emergency button on the platform's intercom "at least four times", expecting a member of staff to respond and then try to stop the assailant.  She said when she received no response, she had tried to contact British Transport Police (BTP), but could not get an urgent response.  She then called 999 and was re-directed to BTP, but gave up and left, she added.

BTP said officers attended the station after being made aware of the incident and conducted a search for the victim.  As they could not find her at the station, a telephone statement was arranged for later in the evening.  The force added that a man from south London was later arrested and bailed in connection with the assault.



It was later reported to police that a child had been attacked at Green Park station shortly after the assault on Ms Wynter, by a man of the same description.  Ms Wynter said she believed it was the same attacker and the second assault could have been prevented if her calls had been answered.

Help points, which include a fire alarm and buttons to call for assistance and for in an emergency, are installed across the Tube network.

Ms Wynter said her situation highlighted that the system failed to help passengers in need, which she said was "very dangerous".  "There's a variety of reasons people use these points and it's quite clear to me that the way these help points are set up is antiquated - these systems don't integrate properly into the campaign around what people should do."  She added: "I was lucky in the sense that I was away from my attacker but it could have been so much worse.  It's an urgent problem that needs to be addressed. "



In a letter to Ms Wynter, London's Deputy Mayor for Transport, Seb Dance, said passengers on TfL's network "deserved to feel safe" and have "confidence that if things do go wrong, help is always available".  Mr Dance added he was "deeply saddened" about what happened and invited Ms Wynter for a meeting.

In a statement, TfL said: "We are investigating as a matter of urgency why Ms Wynter did not get the help she should have and have reached out to her to offer support."



Re: Man shot dead by police at Milton Keynes Railway Station - 1 April 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360136/30091/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:05, 3rd April 2025
 
A further update, from the BBC:

Man shot dead by police at railway station named



A man shot dead by police officers at Milton Keynes railway station has been named.

David Joyce, 38, was from the city and was killed on Tuesday after police responded to reports of a man with a gun at the station. It later emerged he was carrying a knife.

Thames Valley Police said a single shot was fired by an officer and Mr Joyce was given first aid, but died at the scene.  The force referred itself to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC), which named Mr Joyce and is carrying out an investigation into the case.

The IOPC said Mr Joyce was formally identified at a post-mortem examination on Thursday morning. The provisional cause of his death was a single gunshot wound to the abdomen.

The watchdog said it had already viewed a "substantial amount" of CCTV and police body-worn camera footage of the incident.  It said it had "established that, at around 13:04 BST, the man was just outside the railway station main entrance with a knife in his hand, and ran towards officers".  Shortly afterwards, Mr Joyce was shot at close range.



The investigation team said all officers who attended the scene were being treated as witnesses.

Derrick Campbell, the IOPC director, said: "Given a man has died after being shot by police, our role is to independently investigate all of the circumstances surrounding this incident, including the actions and decisions taken by the police.  We have obtained details of some members of the public who witnessed the incident who we will be contacting.  However, we know there were many people near the station around the time of the shooting and we want to hear from anyone who may have seen the incident or has footage of it."



Re: Most remote stations....
In "The Lighter Side" [360135/7683/30]
Posted by JayMac at 17:35, 3rd April 2025
 
I wonder if the residents of the former station house and it's surrounding land are granting access for Network Rail to carry out the work. If not then there's little NR and BTP can do.

Except try to arrest the landowners for trespassing on their own property again!

It's a long running saga of claim and counter-claim with Network Rail consistently calling BTP out as their "personal security force".

https://youtube.com/@altnabreac

Re: Nottingham to Bristol TM open access service proposed
In "Across the West" [360134/30098/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:33, 3rd April 2025
 
The DfT explicitly ruled out ‘cross-country type’ services via EWR, this was done before the TWA process got going, and is mentioned in the TWA inspector’s report.  The same section of the report included removing through services from EWR into Marylebone via Princes Risbrough and High Wycombe. 

That woud certainly explain why the DfT now refuses to countenance upgrading the Aylesbury Vale parkway to EWR line then, if they can't allow trains via PRR from EWR

Train missed staff by seconds after location mix-up - Alfreton, 27 Nov 2024
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360133/30103/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:25, 3rd April 2025
 
From the BBC:



Track workers avoided being struck by a train by two seconds after they unintentionally went to the wrong location, an investigation has found.

The Y197 Northern train was travelling at 78mph (125km/h) from Chesterfield towards Nottingham, the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) said.

A report said the near miss happened about 2.4 miles (3.9km) north of Alfreton railway station at 07:26 GMT on 27 November 2024.

Investigators said: "The near miss occurred because the controller of site safety (COSS) unintentionally blocked a section of line at Codnor Park Junction, while the group were on site at Morton Junction."

The RAIB said when the line blockage was being arranged, neither the signaller nor the COSS had realised the group was not at the location that was to be blocked by the protecting signals.

The COSS, a role which ensures safe practice for work on or near railway tracks, reported they had "unknowingly used a safe work pack (SWP) for a different location" to where the work group was actually located.

A SWP is a plan to ensure a safe system of work is in place before work begins.



As the train approached and sounded its horn, the COSS and two track workers who were standing on the track moved clear of the path of the approaching train with two seconds to spare.

The report said the workers were "obscured from the driver's view" until about five seconds before the train reached them.  This was due to the train approaching them around a curve and because of the poor visibility caused by low light and heavy rain, the report added.

The COSS reported the near miss to the signaller at 07:28. The driver instructor supervising a trainee driver reported the near miss to the signaller when they arrived at Alfreton railway station one minute later.  At 07:31, the signaller rang the COSS to lift the line blockage using the details that had been previously agreed. It was at this point that the COSS realised that the signal numbers used related to Codnor Park Junction, not Morton Junction.

RAIB investigators said: "The near miss occurred because the COSS unintentionally blocked a section of line at Codnor Park Junction, while the group were on site at Morton Junction, around seven miles (11.3 km) to the north, on the same route.

"This meant that the section of track the group was accessing was still open to rail traffic, placing them at risk of being struck.  Had the COSS used the SWP for this briefing, they would almost certainly have realised that the incorrect pack was being used before the group went on to the track.  The COSS gave protecting signal numbers and a named location, both of which were repeated back by the signaller. Despite this, the discrepancy between the protecting signals and the location was not noticed by the signaller, who granted the line blockage."

The workers - which comprised the COSS and five track staff - were employed by Network Rail as local maintenance staff.

A Network Rail spokesperson added: "After the near miss at Morton Junction in November, an investigation was carried out, resulting in a number of actions and recommendations for improvement.  A safety stand-down was held, with front-line staff being involved in discussions about the lessons learned.  The safety of our colleagues, passengers and train crew is our top priority."



Re: Nottingham to Bristol TM open access service proposed
In "Across the West" [360132/30098/26]
Posted by Mark A at 15:05, 3rd April 2025
 
The DfT explicitly ruled out ‘cross-country type’ services via EWR.
**snip**

**Splutters**

Mark

Government approves Luton Airport expansion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [360131/27989/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:31, 3rd April 2025
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BBC News - Government backs plans for Luton airport expansion
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4vg2d9v7no

Re: 185 years of Reading Station
In "Railway History and related topics" [360130/30101/55]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:46, 3rd April 2025
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"First High Speed Trains arrive at Reading"

With a picture of a brace of IETs 

185 years of Reading Station
In "Railway History and related topics" [360129/30101/55]
Posted by CyclingSid at 12:03, 3rd April 2025
 
Not sure where to put this item. The BBC news for Berkshire has the following item https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wdje7ve9wo.

The 1910 picture, or similar is used on Reading Buses and credited to the Museum of English Rural Life (MERL). MERL has a large on-line photo archive, which I haven't got the hang of using and find most frustrating, but end up down interesting rabbit holes.

I am sure somebody on the forum will identify the 3-car EMU.

Re: Nottingham to Bristol TM open access service proposed
In "Across the West" [360128/30098/26]
Posted by paul7575 at 11:55, 3rd April 2025
 
The DfT explicitly ruled out ‘cross-country type’ services via EWR, this was done before the TWA process got going, and is mentioned in the TWA inspector’s report.  The same section of the report included removing through services from EWR into Marylebone via Princes Risbrough and High Wycombe.   

I’m surprised this proposal has come up, I’d assumed EWR’s own proposals including future Cambridge extensions use up all the designed paths.

Re: Daily Mile - coming to Melksham for April
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360127/30078/50]
Posted by CyclingSid at 11:50, 3rd April 2025
 
Certainly less than a mile, the arthritic knees won't have it. But normally do at least 15 km a day on the bike.

Re: Changes to the Highway Code
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [360126/25290/50]
Posted by CyclingSid at 11:47, 3rd April 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
I think I still have my original brown HGV licence book somewhere.

I stumbled over these interesting DfT research documents the other day https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/moments-of-change-and-travel-behaviours. Not directly relevant to driving licences and the highway code but interesting to consider when trying to change thinking. Part of the input is from what used to the government "nudge" unit, which I think were shunted out when the previous administration found some of their suggestions too radical/sensible.

Re: Most remote stations....
In "The Lighter Side" [360125/7683/30]
Posted by grahame at 11:24, 3rd April 2025
 
From the Railfuture Campaigners Facebook group

I wrote to my MSP and asked her to raise it with Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. Here is the response that I received from the Cabinet Secretary a couple of days ago.

Re: Altnabreac Station

Thank you for your e-mail dated 10 March 2025 on behalf of your constituent regarding Altnabreac railway station.

The temporary closure of the station is regrettable but necessary to guarantee the safety and security of railway staff and passengers. However, I am glad to inform you that there has been progress on its reopening which I will outline below.

Network Rail has confirmed that they plan to install tactile paving on the platform at Altnabreac railway station on the night of 28 March 2025 and will shortly write to local residents to notify them of these works. Following this, ScotRail has confirmed to my Officials at Transport Scotland that they plan to carry out the works required to allow services to resume which includes the installation of a new help-point and reinstatement of the Station furniture on 30 March 2025.

These works are safety critical and are a necessary pre requisite to any further progress towards re-opening the station. Notwithstanding previous issues, the British Transport Police will work in collaboration with industry partners to ensure safe access to the station for these works to be carried out.

When it is safe to do so, the station will be re-opened. Appropriate communication and marketing will beundertaken in advance of this date by Scotland’s Railway.

Re: [OTD] Senior Railcard launched 1st April 1975
In "Fare's Fair" [360124/30092/4]
Posted by Mark A at 10:28, 3rd April 2025
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It may be that that was down to the likes of signalboxes being a high-trust environment but I get your point. Retail in particular is certainly now frontier country.

For some reason, thinking of a pub in the eighties that one particular customer seemed to view as a high trust environment, as he'd come in on a Thursday regular as clockwork, with a briefcase, out of which he'd take out a pile of cash. He'd spend some time in counting and batching notes, the table in front of him groaning beneath the weight of about £2500 of used tenners by the time he'd finished. (He seemed to regard the environment there as high trust, everyone else in the pub wasn't so confident and I think someone eventually had a word as we were all getting nervous as to what might unfold)

Mark

 
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