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Re: Heritage v national network - some personal thoughts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [360830/30179/47]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 11:05, 23rd April 2025
 
I still have my BR lever cloth.

Re: FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
In "Fare's Fair" [360829/30127/4]
Posted by grahame at 10:51, 23rd April 2025
 
Just looking at the map, Graham, and it does seem very strange the the FOSW is apparently not valid Romsey - Eastleigh via Chandlers Ford or on the Lymington branch.  Both look very deliberate exclusions from the map.

In practical terms, I can't imagine there would be any problem actually travelling on either line with a FOSW rover.  I have done this but a long time ago now.


Indeed ... as it happens I'm not headed onto either in my final 2 days (I almost made it through Chandler's Ford) ... from a very wet Melksham I'm now in a sun-kissed train approaching Plymouth.

Re: FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
In "Fare's Fair" [360828/30127/4]
Posted by RichardB at 10:28, 23rd April 2025
 
Just looking at the map, Graham, and it does seem very strange the the FOSW is apparently not valid Romsey - Eastleigh via Chandlers Ford or on the Lymington branch.  Both look very deliberate exclusions from the map.

In practical terms, I can't imagine there would be any problem actually travelling on either line with a FOSW rover.  I have done this but a long time ago now.


Re: GWR services to Cardiff - slashed for the day / urgent bridge repairs
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [360827/30170/23]
Posted by Mark A at 10:24, 23rd April 2025
 
The National Rail page on this now has a bit more detail, identifying the location too (and also has the expected completion as next Sunday).

Mark

A routine inspection of the intersection bridge between Cardiff Central and Cardiff Queen Street at the weekend revealed some structural problems. Extensive repair works have enabled mainline services between Newport and Cardiff to largely reopen.

Work on the bridge will continue this week with service amendments expected until Sunday. Additional train services will be added as phases of the work complete this week.

Re: Where was I today 22.4.25?
In "The Lighter Side" [360826/30181/30]
Posted by ray951 at 09:13, 23rd April 2025
 
Woolston station

Well that was predictably quick.  Woolston-Hamble-Bursledon....along Southampton Water.   It didn't disappoint and with several stations along the way you can trim your walk according to time/energy level.  Some decent watering holes too.... particularly impressed by The Jolly Sailor, a few minutes from Bursledon Station and tucked away right by the estuary.

Of course those of a certain vintage will remember the role 'The Jolly Sailor' played in the 80's TV Show 'Howards Way' as well as other locations in the Southampton-Hamble-Bursledon area.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360825/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:34, 23rd April 2025
 
Final score from yesterday:

1P04 13:18 Hereford to London Paddington (16:24) : held Hayes & Harlington (+30), arrived +55. Stock forms 1W33.
1P34 15:18 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington (17:29) : held Reading (+55), arrived +54.
1P05 15:18 Hereford to Paddington (18:29) : held Oxford (+40), arrived Reading +41 and cancelled thereafter. Stock ran empty to Paddington.

1P44 19:45 Great Malvern to London Paddington (22:24) : started from Shrub Hill.
1P46 20:56 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington (23:34) : cancelled throughout.

2E14 17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham (18:23) : held Oxford (+26), arrived +28.
1W33 16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern (19:25) : departed +34 (stock from 1P04) , arrived Shrub Hill +34 and cancelled thereafter.
1W03 17:34 London Paddington to Hereford (20:25) : started from Reading (stock ran empty from Paddington) +41, arrived +30.
1W34 17:57 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street (20:11) : cancelled throughout.

Re: New board - for history and models
In "Railway History and related topics" [360824/24494/55]
Posted by BerkshireBugsy at 07:31, 23rd April 2025
 
I'm off to Google "AWS ramps" - and make a new best friend with a 3D printer

Re: New board - for history and models
In "Railway History and related topics" [360823/24494/55]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 07:15, 23rd April 2025
 
You might just be in need of some AWS Ramps Dave.

Re: New board - for history and models
In "Railway History and related topics" [360822/24494/55]
Posted by grahame at 07:13, 23rd April 2025
 
My answer to the question I have quoted in bold is "I think so" for purely selfish reasons!

In my days of travelling daily on GWR I used to frequent the coffee shop probably daily. Then I moved to the Milton Keynes area where I jumped ship (or should that be TOC?) to Virgin as it was then and now  I am in a job that doesn't need me to travel at all and gives me more leasure time.

So after a break away from model railways I'm back and I'll be honest I came back to here because I knew you guys would know the answer to this question!

"What are the bits of hardware that sit between the rails and look like blocks of metal with champhers at each end" called? If I was going anywhere where I could get you a photo I would

I'm trying to find some of these in OO gauge so I can hide some reed switches.

Many thanks in advance!

Dave


Welcome back, Dave ... enjoy your extra leisure time.   Railway Modelling at 1:76 has a parallel with stuff at 1:1 and a strong crossover in following - we study each other.    I was on the Severn Valley Railway on Monday and nothing the products on sale in so many stalls and kiosks run by various preservation gtoups - and model railway equipment and transport books were dominant.

Between the tracks?   All sorts of things ... ATC and AWS ramps, perhaps?   You could also put in pedestrian crossing - much more acceptable to add on a model than in full scale these days!

Re: New board - for history and models
In "Railway History and related topics" [360821/24494/55]
Posted by BerkshireBugsy at 06:37, 23rd April 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Should the Coffee Shop cover model railways?

Well - it seems natural to allow / have some coverage of what's a subject of interest to a good proportion of our members, and a linked subject in many ways, but not to flood the main boards.    So this "Sideshoots" board is now a general place for things which are "pure interest" if you like to put it that way - things you probably can't see because they're gone or in people's private homes, but never the less of interest to members from time to time.

My answer to the question I have quoted in bold is "I think so" for purely selfish reasons!

In my days of travelling daily on GWR I used to frequent the coffee shop probably daily. Then I moved to the Milton Keynes area where I jumped ship (or should that be TOC?) to Virgin as it was then and now  I am in a job that doesn't need me to travel at all and gives me more leasure time.

So after a break away from model railways I'm back and I'll be honest I came back to here because I knew you guys would know the answer to this question!

"What are the bits of hardware that sit between the rails and look like blocks of metal with champhers at each end" called? If I was going anywhere where I could get you a photo I would

I'm trying to find some of these in OO gauge so I can hide some reed switches.

Many thanks in advance!

Dave


Re: Eyesight rules for motorists unsafe, says coroner
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360820/30168/51]
Posted by infoman at 05:41, 23rd April 2025
 
We have approx 10 million senior citizens in the U.K.
Don't think it would be a good idea to give all those ten million a free senior rail card,
maybe you would have to apply for them,but not means tested.
If one million applied for a rail card the cost would be 30 million pounds.
If those one million made just one trip costing 30 pounds per year,
the rail industry would get its money back.
   

Re: GWR services to Cardiff - slashed for the day / urgent bridge repairs
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [360819/30170/23]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:08, 23rd April 2025
 
Another update, from the BBC:

Rail disruption now set to last more than a week



Disruption on some rail services in south Wales will now last over a week and continue until Monday morning as repair work on a railway bridge continues.

Many journeys were suspended or cancelled due to work on the bridge outside Cardiff Central station between Sunday and Tuesday.

Transport for Wales (TfW) and Network Rail, which owns and operates most of the rail infrastructure in the UK, said mainline services in and out of Cardiff had largely returned to normal by Tuesday evening.

But work on the bridge will continue this week and bus replacements or diverted lines would remain in place until 28 April for services from Cardiff to Ebbw Vale in Blaenau Gwent.

The bridge connects Cardiff Central to Queen Street, running over the lines linking Cardiff Central to Newport and beyond.

An inspection at the weekend revealed some structural problems and services were immediately suspended due to safety concerns.

Trains will only run between Ebbw Vale and Newport for the remainder of this week, with either bus replacements or diverted train journeys between Newport and Cardiff, the statement said.

Bus replacements are also in place for the Caerphilly and Coryton lines, TfW and Network Rail said.

Additional train services will be added as phases of the work are completed this week, the companies added.

It follows three days of disruption caused by the work to the bridge, which affected a number of routes run by Great Western Railway, TfW and CrossCountry.

Plaid Cymru Member of the Senedd Delyth Jewell said the ongoing issues with rail infrastructure were "a symptom of Wales' history of being short-changed when it comes to rail funding".

Conservative transport spokesman Peter Fox said commuters had "every right to feel frustrated, especially after a 6% rise in ticket prices this year".

Wales' Transport Minister Ken Skates said TfW was "working closely with Network Rail and Amey Infrastructure Wales to resolve this urgent mater as soon as is safely possible".



Re: Where was I today 22.4.25?
In "The Lighter Side" [360818/30181/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 22:54, 22nd April 2025
 
Woolston station

Well that was predictably quick.  Woolston-Hamble-Bursledon....along Southampton Water.   It didn't disappoint and with several stations along the way you can trim your walk according to time/energy level.  Some decent watering holes too.... particularly impressed by The Jolly Sailor, a few minutes from Bursledon Station and tucked away right by the estuary.

Bus gate fines make council £2.5m in 15 months - Cumberland Road, Bristol
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360817/30182/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:05, 22nd April 2025
 
From the BBC:



Drivers have paid more than £2.5m in fines over a 15-month period for travelling through a controversial bus gate.

About 60,128 fines were handed to motorists for driving through the Cumberland Road bus gate in Bristol between 1 January 2024 and 3 April 2025. This equates to an average of 131 fines per day.

Signage states only buses, taxis and bicycles are allowed to pass through it.

Bristol City Council said bus gates are installed across the city to help cut air pollution "and increase the number of bus travel options for residents".

According to a Freedom of Information (FOI) request by the BBC, the Cumberland Road bus gate fines generated about £2.529m. That is more than four times higher than the city's second-highest grossing bus gate, which is High Street, at the junction of Baldwin Street. This gate made more than £477,000 in fines.

The FOI also revealed there were 128 attempts at appealing the fines during the same period, however it is not clear how many of them were successfully overturned.

In February, a Traffic Penalty Tribunal adjudicator raised concerns about the signage approaching the bus gate while determining an appeal. The council has repeatedly defended the signage, arguing it is compliant with the latest guidance and legislation.

Councillor Ed Plowden, transport committee chair on Bristol City Council, said: "It is the responsibility of all drivers to plan their journey appropriately and avoid bus gates. Drivers can find details of bus gates in Bristol on the council's website. We continue to offer leniency, at our discretion, for those drivers who receive multiple fines in the time between their first incorrect use of the bus gate and getting notice of the fine in the post."

The total revenue made from fines across all of the city's bus gates was £4.7m.



Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [360816/29650/26]
Posted by a-driver at 20:07, 22nd April 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Following damage to the overhead electric wires at London Paddington all lines are now open.

Disruption is expected until 19:00 22/04.
Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised

Not strictly damage to the overheads. 

The pantograph on a train heading into Paddington automatically dropped. This could be due to a defect with the overheads but it could also be a train fault or just a spurious fault.  NR will examine the overheads on the line or lines where the fault occurred as a precaution, especially if the driver can not see any obvious damage to the pantograph on the train. 

Re: Where was I today 22.4.25?
In "The Lighter Side" [360815/30181/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 19:55, 22nd April 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Woolston station

Re: Where was I today 22.4.25?
In "The Lighter Side" [360814/30181/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:36, 22nd April 2025
 
I know - but I'll leave it for a while, to let others have a go.

CfN. 

Where was I today 22.4.25?
In "The Lighter Side" [360813/30181/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 19:33, 22nd April 2025
 
Nice day for a 'station to station' day out... nice station building too...but where is it?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [360812/29650/26]
Posted by NickB at 19:31, 22nd April 2025
 
Now 20:00
But let’s face it, in a few minutes it will change to ‘until the end of the day’.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [360811/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:33, 22nd April 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Following damage to the overhead electric wires at London Paddington all lines are now open.

Disruption is expected until 19:00 22/04.
Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised

Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360810/30166/26]
Posted by grahame at 17:11, 22nd April 2025
 
8.  St Budeaux Ferry Road

Yes - and the completed list is ...

0 - Bath Spa - Timmer
1 - Clifton Maybank
2 - Oldfield Park - PhilWakely
3 - Truro - old original
4 - Plym Bridge Platform - johnneyw
5 - Cattewater Branch - Chris from Nailsea and Cattewater Junction
6 - Plymouth
7 - approacing Kingswear - GBM
8 - St Budeaux Ferry Road - a-driver
9 - Gunnislake
10 - Southampton Central - Rob T
11 - Thornford - bradshaw

Re: The ladies plus Dave
In "The Lighter Side" [360809/30142/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:07, 22nd April 2025
 
They are the carriages behind Goliath on that train approaching Kingswear - yes, "Dave"  is in there!

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360808/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:02, 22nd April 2025
 
In the afternoon, problems with the halts train:
17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:23 will no longer call at Hanborough, Combe, Finstock, Charlbury, Ascott-Under-Wychwood, Shipton and Kingham.
It will be delayed at Oxford.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:22/04/2025 16:55

16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 19:25 will call additionally at Combe, Finstock, Ascott-Under-Wychwood and Shipton.
This is due to the train making extra stops because a train was cancelled.
Last Updated:22/04/2025 16:55

So the halts train will run, but won't call at the halts and will be non-stop from Oxford to Moreton.

17:50
Following damage to the overhead electric wires at London Paddington all lines are now open. Disruption is expected until 19:00 22/04.
Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised.

A train has had an issue with the pantograph just outside London Paddington. The pantograph is the mechanism on the train roof which draws power from the Overhead lines. The train driver has checked the train and it has safely moved forward to London Paddington.

All train movements had been stopped at London Paddington however Network Rail advise that it is safe to start running trains and therefore services are resuming. Due to the queue of trains between Reading and London Paddington which built up whilst the lines were blocked outside Paddington earlier, there is also considerable delay on Great Western Mainline routes into Reading.
Last Updated:22/04/2025 17:46

In consequence,
1P04 13:18 Hereford to London Paddington (16:24) was held at Hayes & Harlington and arrived +55.
The stock from this forms 1W33 16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern. This departed Paddington +34.
And JourneyCheck has removed the message about stopping at the halts.

Meanwhile, 2E14 17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham (18:23) was held outside Oxford, but has now departed +26.
And JourneyCheck has removed the 'not stopping' message.

1P34 15:18 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington was held at Reading (+55), arrived +54.
1P05 15:18 Hereford to London Paddington was held at Oxford (+40), arrived Reading +41 and was cancelled thereafter. Stock is running empty to Paddington.

17:34 London Paddington to Hereford due 20:25 will be started from Reading.
This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.
Last Updated:22/04/2025 17:44
Stock has run empty from Paddington to Reading.

Re: Thoughts on person being taken ill near (Trowbridge) Station
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [360807/30119/21]
Posted by Clan Line at 16:46, 22nd April 2025
Already liked by GBM
 

I note that it was the Dorset and Somerset Air Ambulance and not the Wilthshire and Bath one. Covering for each other?


pm today: the Dorset/Somerset Air Ambulance was at Warminster (arrived from Swindon), the Wiltshire/Bath aircraft was at Semington (came from Swindon - Refuelling at home base ?), The Great Western aircraft was at Swindon. Busy day !



Re: [otd] 22nd April 2025
In "Railway History and related topics" [360806/30180/55]
Posted by grahame at 16:16, 22nd April 2025
 
On this day - 22nd April. A lot has happened in the world, ...  but little of it is rail in the South West related. 

We have "On this day" enteries on the Coffee Shop for 321 of the 366 days of the year - and am amazing clump of "zero" days in late April - I have just added the above for 22nd, but am still missing things for 23rd, 24th, 25th and 27th.  Ideas welcome.

[otd] 22nd April 2025
In "Railway History and related topics" [360805/30180/55]
Posted by grahame at 16:09, 22nd April 2025
 
On this day - 22nd April. A lot has happened in the world, see https://www.beautifulbritain.co.uk/htm/onthisday/April/e222.htm and
https://www.britannica.com/on-this-day/April-22 but little of it is rail in the South West related.  From this sources:

1833 - The death of Richard Trevithick, Cornish born mining engineer and an early pioneer of steam-powered road and rail transport.

1933 - Sir Frederick Henry Royce, co-founder of the English car company Rolls-Royce, died.

1969 - British yachtsman Robin Knox-Johnston sailed into Falmouth Harbour, completing the first non-stop solo voyage around the world. He was at sea for 312 days. His yacht was named Suhaili which means "good wind".

1972 - Sylvia Cook and John Fairfax became the first people to row across the Pacific Ocean (the world's largest ocean). They arrived in Australia in their boat Britannia after being at sea for 362 days.

2000 - The Big Number Change took place. It was an update of telephone dialling codes in Britain in response to the rapid growth of telecommunications and the impending exhaustion of numbers.

2015 - SouthEastern removed the £10 admin fee from ticket refunds https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/t15662.html

2016 - More than 170 countries signed the Paris Agreement on climate change, a landmark treaty that sought to control and reduce greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere; it took effect in November 2016.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [360804/29650/26]
Posted by Mark A at 14:43, 22nd April 2025
 
Agreed.

Perhaps what the industry could avoid though is the appearance that they're still promoting 'X' as their primary channel for information - the National Rail web site's a case in point and it's a practice that has a very 2012-era vibe. A current example: regarding the issue with the bridge in Cardiff, on the NR disruptions list, the site's (again) advising 'End of the day' and the first source of information offered is a web link to a (hijackable) hashtag on their 'X' feed - so they're linking to something that is no longer a public web site: there's little to no information in the public domain as to what the issue actually is and the time needed for a temporary/permanent fix.

Mark

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/cardiff-central-20250420/


Re: Heritage v national network - some personal thoughts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [360803/30179/47]
Posted by grahame at 14:17, 22nd April 2025
Already liked by GBM, Witham Bobby
 
There's a lot of people's energy goes into the UK's heritage railways and some of it must be the sublimated energy from current rail staff that for one reason or another the national rail network cannot utilise ...

Very much so. It was very interesting to see in the old signal box with a working frame and interlocking, lovingly looked after by an ex-signalman who had worked various of the Exeter boxes early in his career.  Clearly thoroughly enjoying being there - and chatting with old mates and professionals to the exclusion of making the visitors feel like ornaments to be tolerated.

There IS - and I have seen it in much wider arenas - a tendency for customer facing staff (for that's what he was) not to provide the slightly different welcome that's often appropriate for the lone visitor, and perhaps there was an element of that again.  Sorry - but staff and other customers on the national rail network were / are naturally much more engaging in general.   Clearly, exceptions all around; I am just talking a tendency.




Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360802/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:49, 22nd April 2025
 
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

15:15 Swindon to Westbury due 15:59
15:15 Swindon to Westbury due 15:59 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Heritage v national network - some personal thoughts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [360801/30179/47]
Posted by Mark A at 13:13, 22nd April 2025
Already liked by GBM, Timmer
 
There's a lot of people's energy goes into the UK's heritage railways and some of it must be the sublimated energy from current rail staff that for one reason or another the national rail network cannot utilise. It then has to find a release somewhere else and the heritage railways benefits. That aside, also the sharing of expertise (in both directions) and from time to time outright assistance to the heritage sector as well as commercial tie-ups between the two.

Related to nothing in particular, a photo from 2018 of GWSR's management of lineside vegetation in action. Good to see this especially as it helps maintain a somewhat nutrient-poor grassland habitat. Across the way, a cutting side previously trimmed was a carpet of primroses.

Mark


 
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