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Plane caught fire as pilot confused left and right - Gatwick, 28 June 2024
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [361373/30250/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:41, 9th May 2025
 
From the BBC:



A plane aborted take-off on a Gatwick runway after its co-pilot muddled up his left and right hands, investigators have found.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) said the error resulted in the aircraft's brakes catching fire.

The 28 June incident - involving a British Airways flight to Vancouver, Canada - led to a 50-minute runway closure and 23 cancelled departures at the West Sussex airport.

A British Airways spokesperson said: "Safety is always our highest priority and our pilots brought the aircraft to a safe stop."

Gatwick Airport has been contacted for comment.

A 13-person crew and 334 passengers were on board during the incident, according to the AAIB report.

Investigators said the co-pilot "unintentionally" moved a lever to his left when he was supposed to move a lever to his right instead.

This reduced the Boeing 777 aircraft's thrust at a time when the aircraft's commander called for the plane to start pulling up, they said. According to the investigation's findings, the co-pilot "momentarily" sped up again before abandoning take-off.

The plane "stopped some distance before the end of the runway" but airport firefighting crews were called to put out a fire on the right-hand landing gear. There were no reported injuries.

The AAIB said British Airways analysis of the event showed the morning was otherwise "unremarkable" and there were no obvious distractions or workload problems prior to the fire.

The co-pilot, who had over 6,100 hours of flying experience, "expressed surprise" over the mistake and "could not identify a reason for it", according to the report. He last flew two weeks before the incident.

British Airways had issued a safety notice reminding pilots to "pause before execution and cognitively consider what the required action is" four days before the incident, the AAIB said.

The agency added that the airline had "included 'mis-selections' in a new 'safety topic' section of its pre-flight briefing material for crew" and was promoting focus during regular simulator training for pilots.


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [361372/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 12:52, 9th May 2025
 
Friday May 9

Facilities on the 09:52 London Paddington to Hereford due 12:46.
Service full and standing from London Paddington.
Last Updated:09/05/2025 10:02
Preceding 1D18 09:23 London Paddington to Oxford cancelled.

Re: Diary Of A Reasonably Frequent Rail User
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361371/17250/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 12:25, 9th May 2025
 
02/05/25-07/05/25 - Grandson’s 1st Birthday Celebration In Yorkshire
Largely good train punctuality, but GWR seems to have given up on revenue protection.

Tickets
2 x Senior Railcard Advance Singles DIG>PAD £75.20 (£37.60 each)
2 x TfL Underground Off Peak Singles PAD>KGX £5.60 (£2.80 each)
2 x Senior Railcard 1st Class Advance Singles KGX>WKF £78.00 (£39.00 each)
2 x Senior Railcard Anytime Day Singles WKF>PFM £5.40 (£2.70 each)
2 x Senior Railcard Advance Singles PFM>GRA £24.50 (£12.25 each)
2 x Senior Railcard Advance Singles GRA>DIG £48.60 (£24.30 each)

The GRA>DIG tickets obviously included the cross-London journeys.
PFM = Pontefract Monkhill, GRA = Grantham

Outward - 02/05/25
DIG 0943 (OT)>EXD 0955 (0958): 2T12 EXM>PGN : 1 x 166/2 (3 Cars)
EXD 1015 (1017)>PAD 1229 (1227) : 1A78 PNZ>PAD» : 2 x 802/0 (10 Cars)
TfL Circle Line PAD>KGX
KGX 1403 (OT)>WKF 1558 (OT) : 1D17 KGX>LDS : 1 x IC225 (9 Cars)
WKF 1642 (1648)>PFM 1705 (1710) : 2A23 LDS>KNO : 1 x 150/2 (2 Cars)

2T12 was delayed at EXC waiting for 2F11, which departed from EXD P3 rather than P1, to clear the line.
20 pax boarded at DIG.
No ticket / railcard check.
Accessible toilet was OOS (according to the DIG PIS)
1A78 arrived at, and departed from, EXD 2 mins late.
It being the start of a Public Holiday weekend the train was well loaded.
It gradually lost time during the journey arriving at RDG 6 down but, due to the 8 min dwell time there, left on time and, much to my amazement, reached PAD 2 mins early!
Catering facilities were as advertised but…
No ticket / railcard check - I don’t recall this having happened to me on a long distance GWR service before.
So given that the train terminated in PAD P9 any ne’er-do-well prepared to chance it could have made our journey gratis.
On 1D17 the LNER service was what we nearly always get - an on-time departure & arrival, full ticket / railcard check shortly after leaving KGX, and an excellent 1st class food / drink service.
2A23 left LDS 7 minutes late; as the incoming 2A18 was on time I guess this was most likely a crew change issue.
Surprisingly no ticket / railcard check on 2A23 - Northern are usually pretty hot on this.
The WKF>PFM trip feels very slow - the average speed is 25.1mph.
The connection at WKF to PFM isn’t great because Northern can only run LDS>KNO via Wakefield hourly as there is also an hourly LDS>KNO via Castleford service and the line through Pontefract carries freight & Grand Central trains.
PFM station needs some TLC; the footbridge is showing it's age and the main pedestrian access is a steep, narrow stairway. 

Return - 07/05/25
PFM 1245 (OT)>WKF 1309 (1310) : 2A12 KNO>LDS : 1 x 150/2 (2 Cars)
WKF 1328 (1331)>KGX 1530 (1526) : 1A31 LDS>KGX : 1 x IC225 (9 Cars)
TfL Hammersmith & City Line KGX>PAD
PAD 1635 (OT)>EXD 1902 (1900) : 1C89 PAD>PLY 2 x 802/0 (10 Cars)
EXD 1913 (OT)>DIG 1925 (OT) : 2F30 PGN>EXM : 1 x 166/2 (3 Cars)

Tickets, but not railcards, checked on 2A12.
Full ticket / railcard check on 1A31 after leaving Doncaster. Simon the TM spent quite a bit of time looking at our split tickets before deciding they were valid! He then moved on to the  two passengers behind us who he found were travelling on invalid Advances and told them politely but firmly that he was going to let it go this time - the tickets were for the train 30 minutes later - but under normal circumstances they would be required to purchase completely new tickets. LNER appear not to use formal Penalty Fares but give their TM’s the option of either charging the excess or making the passenger buy a brand new ticket.
No ticket / railcard checks on either GWR service.
I wasn’t aware that GWR did any train divides at EXD but 1C89 drops the rear unit in P6, this returning to PAD as 1A37, before continuing to PLY.

Re: trainee drivers will be allowed to drive trains from age 18
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361370/30247/51]
Posted by matth1j at 11:50, 9th May 2025
 
(but some coarse language, possibly NSFW)
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/theyll-be-live-streaming-it-why-gen-z-must-never-become-train-drivers-20250508256889

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361369/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:52, 9th May 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 09/05.

Customer Advice
Due to a broken rail at Slough services passing through this area will be delayed, altered or cancelled.

And now........"Disruption is expected until the end of the day"

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361368/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:53, 9th May 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a broken rail between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 09/05.

Customer Advice
Due to a broken rail at Slough services passing through this area will be delayed, altered or cancelled.

Re: trainee drivers will be allowed to drive trains from age 18
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361367/30247/51]
Posted by Zoe at 08:33, 9th May 2025
 
How many 18 year olds are going to have previous experience of the specific situations that need to be demonstrated at the competency based interview though?

Re: Where was I? 2nd May 2022.
In "The Lighter Side" [361366/26323/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:29, 9th May 2025
 
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/person-struck-train-wagon-private-10159685

A few weeks old, but recording here for the record - and remaining us that even little trains can do big damage to people.

A person has been hit by a train wagon in Somerset. The person, who was a volunteer member of staff, was seriously injured after being struck near the Common Lane level crossing on the Gartell Light Railway on Thursday, April 17.

The person was hit by the wagon at around 9.35am, the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has said. The wagon was part of a train transporting staff, equipment and materials to a work site.

Re: Celebrating 30 years of Wessex Wanderers Railway Walks
In "Heart of Wessex" [361364/30048/19]
Posted by grahame at 07:01, 9th May 2025
 
I plan to rise early again tomorrow and give it another go. Somewhat prophetically, I had decided to only buy my ticket once I knew the train had passed onto the single line on tine; same again in the morning.   It's a more expensive train / ticket than I like as it's not "Off Peak". A rather strange definition of "Off Peak" because both of the trains load very thinly and so in colloquial terms the are NOT peak services.  Weather forecast looks OK for the walk too.

I rose early, worried at the 9 minutes late at Stonehouse ... which was made up along the way ... 1 minute late at Melksham, and into Westbury in time for the connection.  I noted last time I made the connection, and again today, that others were making the dash through the subway at Westbury too ... had a chat with them and it turns out they are regulars and it "usually" works.

There are no peak crowds on this train 

Edinburgh: Repairs to historic North Bridge delayed again to 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361362/30249/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:39, 8th May 2025
 
From the BBC:



An over budget project to refurbish a historic bridge in Edinburgh is facing a fresh delay.

Work on the Category A-listed North Bridge began in 2018 to help safeguard its long-term use.

It was estimated the project would cost £22m but it is now thought the bill for the overhaul will be at least £85m after years of delays.

Edinburgh City Council last year said work would be completed by November 2025 but has now pushed this back to spring 2026. Contractors found the bridge in a much worse condition than expected when work began to repair or replace its 6,300 steel sections.

The impact of the Covid pandemic and ensuring the bridge is capable of taking any future tram lines in the city have also been blamed for the delays and cost overruns.

The North Bridge was built in 1897 - by the same firm which built the Forth Bridge - - as a city centre link between the Old and New Towns. The last major refurbishment was in 1933 and some areas of the structure have not been accessed since the bridge had been completed.



In November last year, the City of Edinburgh Council told BBC Scotland that a total of £72.5m had been spent on the project to date with the estimated final cost expected to be £85.6m. The council also said that it was expected to be finished by November this year. Now it is expected the work will be substantially completed by spring next year and fully finished by the summer.

Cllr Stephen Jenkinson, the council's transport convener, said: "When we installed scaffolding to gain access to areas not worked on for 125 years it became clear very quickly that more repairs would be required than initially anticipated. This has impacted on the length and the cost of the project as well as other factors such as the Covid pandemic and cost of rising inflation. We know that these works have taken longer than we had initially anticipated, and are grateful to the local business community, residents and commuters for their patience."



Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion, merged topics
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361360/19893/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:10, 8th May 2025
Already liked by GBM
 

I'm not sure I could cope with sitting in the car with mainly teenagers all day and trusting their driving.


You'll soon be sitting in the train with teenagers driving, apparently. 


Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion, merged topics
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361358/19893/51]
Posted by Sixty3Closure at 22:54, 8th May 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Why is it, and why ever was it, possible for people and bots to buy-up driving tests slots for resale?

The bots is because the government developers can't respond quickly enough to close the exploits in the web page. As soon as they close off one another dozen scripts will appear. The block booking is also supposed to be closed off but again its probably profitable enough to develop workarounds. And unless its changed its will be a central team responsible for all the DVLA/SA rather than a gov.uk developer sat there responding to bots and exploits.

Having just recently sat my test and discussed this with my instructor I was quite surprised at how poorly paid examiners were. Apparently several of the instructors in my area were approached about becoming examiners and all laughed at the idea. Apart from a significant pay cut as mentioned in one of the articles above there was also an increase in the number of tests you had to oversee a few years ago and reduction in the time allowed for paperwork which caused a lot of resentment and stress. From memory it was an increase from 6 to 7 tests a day which if you allow each test being 45-50 mins including actually getting to the car itself and the 'chat' at the end doesn't leave long for typing it all up never mind destressing or taking a break. Its also a lot less flexible and as my instructor said if he doesn't like someone he can turn down the work.

I got chatting to my examiner on my test who commented on how nice it was to be able to have a chat with someone his own age (50+) and talked about why he was thinking of changing careers. When I mentioned I'd worked for the BBC World Service there were loads of questions and I was just trying to think of a polite way of saying 'be quiet I'm trying to drive'.

I'm not sure I could cope with sitting in the car with mainly teenagers all day and trusting their driving.

Re: Posting news items from the press / broadcast media on the Coffee Shop forum
In "News, Help and Assistance" [361357/30248/29]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 22:53, 8th May 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Timmer
 
Quite often news stories are based on press releases from Network Rail, local councils or other bodies who are actually quite keen to spread the word on what they are up to.

These press releases won’t have annoying ads or journalist-induced errors, so it’s worth taking the time to try and find them. Often it will be appropriate to quote them in full. Citing the source should cover any question of copyright.

Re: Closure of Bridport branch
In "Heart of Wessex" [361354/30238/19]
Posted by bradshaw at 22:29, 8th May 2025
 
Bubble car W55033, which is preserved at the Colne Valley Railway, was the last train to leave Bridport station on May 3rd 1975.
The CVR commemorated the event this year.
https://www.colnevalleyrailway.co.uk/marking-the-closure-of-the-bridport-branch/

Re: Wootton Bassett station - campaign for reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [361353/4491/28]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:26, 8th May 2025
 
In response to Grahame's post, can I suggest that the flow to Reading might be more significant than that to Oxford as it is by far a larger service centre with businesses and therefore employment opportunities than Oxford, so more likely to produce commuter traffic?

Re: Posting news items from the press / broadcast media on the Coffee Shop forum
In "News, Help and Assistance" [361350/30248/29]
Posted by Marlburian at 21:14, 8th May 2025
Already liked by eightonedee
 
I too have noticed that it's become more difficult to read full articles without first registering and/or accepting/rejecting cookies, and I'm inclined to assume that if I can access a particular website without too much of a problem, then others can also. But I'm careful about referring to my local online newspaper, the Reading Chonicle, as I subscribe to it to be able to read their articles in full. (I wince at the lack of journalistic skills and local knowledge - and at some of the readers' comments, with a couple of people regularly exchanging insults about their alleged sexual interests and the daily racist remark from one particular person.)

Re: Celebrating 30 years of Wessex Wanderers Railway Walks
In "Heart of Wessex" [361347/30048/19]
Posted by bradshaw at 20:34, 8th May 2025
 
Thirty years ago Marion and I researched these walks for the partnership, who then finished off the design and printed them.

Posting news items from the press / broadcast media on the Coffee Shop forum
In "News, Help and Assistance" [361346/30248/29]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:11, 8th May 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Readers of this forum will know that I have, for many years (and hopefully helpfully) posted various news items in the relevant boards and topics here. I have really enjoyed doing so, bringing sometimes perhaps more obscure items to your attention.

Recently, however, I have found that posting items here from the press has become increasingly 'fussy'.  Many of the national newspapers now put their online full story behind a firewall, requiring subscription, and many local newspapers have added restrictions to require registration and acceptance of all cookies, for example. I do understand their reasons for doing so - they are commercial organisations, after all (unlike the Coffee Shop forum, which is free for all to view )

I have therefore reined back on my posting here of such 'news and interesting items'.  I will continue to post such items, but with just an explanatory heading and a hyperlink to the source item.  It will then be up to any of our readers to decide whether they want to subscribe, register or accept all cookies to read the full item.

My one exception is the BBC: they remain 'open access', and I continue to stumble across (to me, anyway) interesting news items of a transport nature. The BBC continue to allow me to quote from them (I always credit my source) and link to the illustrative images in their news items. (Whether some of those illustrative images are relevant is a discussion for another place. )

As ever, I hope this helps.  CfN. 


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361345/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:35, 8th May 2025
 
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Celebrating 30 years of Wessex Wanderers Railway Walks
In "Heart of Wessex" [361344/30048/19]
Posted by grahame at 19:02, 8th May 2025
 
I plan to rise early again tomorrow and give it another go. Somewhat prophetically, I had decided to only buy my ticket once I knew the train had passed onto the single line on tine; same again in the morning.   It's a more expensive train / ticket than I like as it's not "Off Peak". A rather strange definition of "Off Peak" because both of the trains load very thinly and so in colloquial terms the are NOT peak services.  Weather forecast looks OK for th walk too.

 
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