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Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [366984/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 20:07, 16th October 2025
 
Thursday October 16

Stock allocation is an issue this week, with this evening's departures not looking good:

Facilities on the 21:53 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill due 00:01.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.
Last Updated:16/10/2025 04:00

The 5-car sets on the 19:53 and 21:53 do not bode well for Friday.

Nor does
22:51 London Paddington to Worcestershire Parkway Hl due 01:06 will be terminated at Oxford.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:16/10/2025 04:00

More encouraging now: nothing about the 22:51 being terminated at Oxford on Journeycheck now and whilst Journeycheck is still showing the 21.53 as a short-form, RealtimeTrains and https://tiger.worldline.global/ are both showing this as a nine car train.

However, the 19:53 Paddington to Hereford service is now being terminated at Oxford due to a shortage of train crew so, presumably, that will take out tomorrow's 05:23 Hereford to Paddington service for the third day this week.

Re: Service update and amendment log, Paddington to Bristol <->
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [366983/18525/10]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:43, 16th October 2025
 
I am noting this thread as a "service update and amendment log".   Yes, it makes total sense to keep the disruption reports that we post in one place, but yet at the same time I am concerned that on a line with so many services that it's going to be impractical for us / members to maintain as a complete log.

Would it be more practical for this thread to be "Service updates and amendments" without the term "log" which suggests that every change might be noted?

Thought / comments / inputs sought, please?

Agree with you on this, and especially should it start a precedent. Drop the word 'log', and maybe reword to indicate all & any disruption on the line in question can be recorded in just one thread, but please don't make members start monitoring every disruption....my 2p worth.

Re: Service update and amendment log, Paddington to Bristol <->
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [366982/18525/10]
Posted by grahame at 17:41, 16th October 2025
 
The 17:00 Bristol Paddington is missing out Bath and Chippenham (my destination) due to trespassers near Chippenham I think they said.

Announcement made at about 17:00, hence a bit of a panic, and I'm now on a packed Weymouth 17:06 service to catch the 17:45 bus at Bath (to get to Melksham, home).

Wise choice. From the 17:30 ex Bristol, it's unlikely you would have caught the 17:50 at Chippenham (though JourneyCheck says that's running late). The 18:59 from Chippenham to Melksham is cancelled due to lack of staff, and so the next train look like it's at 20:29 ... 20:39 into Melksham.   Good example of where robust local knowledge sorts out the mess.  Trespassers on the line "cannot be helped" - though we could question that assertion.  Crew shortage - AGAIN - is firmly a failure to provide by the train company - AGAIN.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [366981/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:34, 16th October 2025
 

17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19

17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be starting late from Swindon.
This is due to trespassers on the railway.

Re: Service update and amendment log, Paddington to Bristol <->
In "London to Swindon and Bristol" [366980/18525/10]
Posted by matth1j at 17:16, 16th October 2025
 
The 17:00 Bristol Paddington is missing out Bath and Chippenham (my destination) due to trespassers near Chippenham I think they said.

Announcement made at about 17:00, hence a bit of a panic, and I'm now on a packed Weymouth 17:06 service to catch the 17:45 bus at Bath (to get to Melksham, home).

Sheep killed after being struck on Dartmoor train line - 16 October 2025
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [366979/30925/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:12, 16th October 2025
 
From the BBC:



Train services in part of Devon were disrupted after a sheep died when it was struck on the line.

The livestock were reported on the track between Crediton and Okehampton on the Dartmoor Line just after 12:00 BST.

Network Rail said one of the sheep had been struck and killed before engineers had been made aware the animals were on the single-track line.

Great Western Railway said services Exeter Central and Okehampton via Exeter St Davids were being cancelled, delayed or revised while the incident was dealt with. It added the line was clear by 14:30.


Re: The modern pedestrian
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [366978/30918/50]
Posted by Marlburian at 16:07, 16th October 2025
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I suspect that were I to mention the Hierarchy of Responsibility to any of the delivery cyclists, sometimes masked,that whizz around the streets they would look blank.

Re: Blyth's Northumberland Line train station bus stop snub 'madness'
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [366977/30912/51]
Posted by CyclingSid at 16:00, 16th October 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
Stumbled over this while looking for something completely different:

Recommended walking distances
The figures in the following table are average recommendations - there is much variation between individuals. Gradients, weather conditions, whether there are handrails and other factors will also affect the distances people are able to walk.

                              Recommended distance limit
                              without a rest

Wheelchair users             150 metres

Vision impaired people         150 metres

Walking stick and cane users      50 metres

Mobility impaired people without a
walking stick                    100 metres

From DfT Inclusive Mobility https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/61d32bb7d3bf7f1f72b5ffd2/inclusive-mobility-a-guide-to-best-practice-on-access-to-pedestrian-and-transport-infrastructure.pdf page 26.

Also covers things like space for turning etc.

Re: [OTD] 16th October 2017 - first IET train in service
In "Across the West" [366976/30921/26]
Posted by bobm at 14:50, 16th October 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
The cantilevers come down at Swindon?

Pantographs.... 

Re: Principle railways of England and Wales, 1898
In "Railway History and related topics" [366975/30806/55]
Posted by Mark A at 14:48, 16th October 2025
 
Melrose... that reminds me, Melrose's bypass did the Borders Railway few favours.

Also, upcoming, the Campaign for Borders Railway AGM in Hawick on the 25th.

The summary case for the line's extension makes for a good positive read.

https://campaignforbordersrail.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/CBR_SummaryCase.pdf

Mark


https://campaignforbordersrail.org/





Re: [OTD] 16th October 2017 - first IET train in service
In "Across the West" [366974/30921/26]
Posted by grahame at 14:39, 16th October 2025
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"...remote places like Newquay, Tenby, Bedwyn, Bristol Temple Meads and Oxford ..."

OK, I'm thinking it.

Mark

Seemingly remote places?

Re: Principle railways of England and Wales, 1898
In "Railway History and related topics" [366973/30806/55]
Posted by grahame at 14:36, 16th October 2025
 
Brecon, Keswick, Melrose.  Trent has a railway but no station.  Fleetwood has a tram - does that count as a railway?

Lessons to be learned over stalled White Rose Station - West Yorkshire mayor
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [366972/30924/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:30, 16th October 2025
 
From the BBC:



"Lessons need to be learned" over the stalled construction of a new railway station in West Yorkshire, the county's mayor has said.

Contractors walked off the White Rose Station site, between Cottingley and Morley, in March 2024 after costs rose above the £26m budget.

Mayor Tracy Brabin said there was no update on when work would resume on the project, jointly funded by West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA), which provided £22m, and Munroe K, owner of the nearby White Rose Office Park, which contributed £4m. Ms Brabin said: "It was an ambitious project and we wouldn't necessarily do it in the same way again, so we we've learned a lot. We're really working very hard to push to a resolution."

About 70% of the work on the station has been completed, including two waiting shelters and the installation of a lift shaft. However, the building site around the stop on the line between Leeds and Huddersfield has become overgrown since worked ceased.

In May, WYCA signed off extra cash for the scheme, but the authority did not give details of the new budget.

One local business owner who said he would benefit from having a station close to his premises described the situation as "frustrating and farcical".

Iain Clasper, who employs 60 staff at printing company FaberExposize, said: "We were really excited about it, we were talking to people, we were interviewing for jobs and saying you don't have to worry about relying on the buses - there will be a new train station. We've now lost staff who used to commute in from Huddersfield because they got fed up of the M62. A station immediately behind the industrial estate would make it easier for existing staff and help us attract new staff, which is really difficult at the moment."

Councillor Alan Lamb, leader of the Conservative group on Leeds City Council and a WYCA board member, said stakeholders remained "in the dark" about the lack of progress on the station. He also voiced concerns about WYCA's ability to deliver big infrastructure projects on time and on budget. "They're taking on bus franchising and mass transit and so far they can't even deliver one railway station. The complete silence is frustrating and disappointing."

When the White Rose Station project was given the go-ahead in summer 2021, it was supposed to set an example of how infrastructure could be built quicker. It was one of Network Rail's "Project SPEED" schemes - which stands for "swift, pragmatic, efficient, enhancement and delivery".

A spokesperson for Network Rail said: "We continue to liaise with West Yorkshire Combined Authority and Munroe K. When work restarts we will be happy to offer further support and expertise."

Landowner Munroe K, which owns and operates the business park, has been approached for comment.


Re: [OTD] 16th October 2017 - first IET train in service
In "Across the West" [366971/30921/26]
Posted by grahame at 14:29, 16th October 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Love 'em or hate 'em ... rather that the diesel fumes at Paddington, all bar 4 departures per day are now under electric power ...
The IETs that run on diesel between Chippenham and Bristol leave Paddington as electric? You learn something new every day

The cantilevers come down at Swindon?

They run electric almost to Chippenham - the electrification runs out at Cocklebury Lane Bridge and they can swap over without stopping.

Re: [OTD] 16th October 2017 - first IET train in service
In "Across the West" [366970/30921/26]
Posted by Mark A at 13:58, 16th October 2025
Already liked by matth1j, grahame, Witham Bobby
 
"...remote places like Newquay, Tenby, Bedwyn, Bristol Temple Meads and Oxford ..."

OK, I'm thinking it.

Mark

Re: Principle railways of England and Wales, 1898
In "Railway History and related topics" [366969/30806/55]
Posted by eightonedee at 13:48, 16th October 2025
 
I can see 5 more, 4 on the east coast - Hunstanton, Wells, Louth and Mablethorpe, and Portpatrick in Scotland.

Re: [OTD] 16th October 2017 - first IET train in service
In "Across the West" [366968/30921/26]
Posted by matth1j at 13:35, 16th October 2025
 
Love 'em or hate 'em ... rather that the diesel fumes at Paddington, all bar 4 departures per day are now under electric power ...
The IETs that run on diesel between Chippenham and Bristol leave Paddington as electric? You learn something new every day

The cantilevers come down at Swindon?

Re: Principle railways of England and Wales, 1898
In "Railway History and related topics" [366967/30806/55]
Posted by Andy at 13:21, 16th October 2025
 
In the south west, both Launceston (not counting the narrow gauge steam line) and Ilfracombe are now without a railway of any sort. How many other places on the map are in the same boat? 

(pedant mode: principal railways)

Re: drop in bus event for North Somerset
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366966/30922/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:32, 16th October 2025
 
With thanks to infoman for posting the details, I have also added this event to the Coffee Shop forum's calendar.

bus driver caught smoking while driving
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366964/30923/5]
Posted by infoman at 11:01, 16th October 2025
 
https://somersetdaily.co.uk/bus-driver-caught-smoking-while-driving-passenger-bus-in-bristol/#:~:text=A%20Bristol%20bus%20driver%20has%20been%20filmed%20smoking,driver%20ignored%20requests%20to%20put%20out%20the%20cigarette.



A Bristol bus driver has been filmed smoking a cigarette while driving, alarming passengers onboard. The incident was recorded by Riley Whitman, a passenger on the X91 service operated by The Big Lemon bus company, who claims the driver ignored requests to put out the cigarette.

The event took place on Saturday, October 11, around 2:20 pm near Bristol city centre as the bus traveled between Bristol and Ubley in the Chew Valley. Mr. Whitman described the situation as “extremely distressing,” condemning the driver’s actions as both unsafe and unacceptable.

The video clearly shows the driver behind the wheel holding a lit cigarette with one hand while the bus is in motion. The background noise and view through the windscreen confirm the vehicle was not stationary. A fire extinguisher can also be seen in the footage.

READ MORE: Motorcyclist Rescued by Off-Duty Paramedic After Serious Crash

The Big Lemon has confirmed the driver has been identified and stated an internal investigation is underway following company protocols.

The X91 route runs from Bristol city centre to Temple Meads Station, through Bedminster, Hartcliffe, Chew Magna, Bishop Sutton, East Harptree, and Ubley. The Big Lemon’s buses are recognizable by their bright yellow or white colouring.

According to UK law, smoking is prohibited on public transport vehicles and work vehicles carrying more than one person at any time, according to the Health Act 2006 and the Children and Families Act 2014. Buses must remain smoke-free at all times, including when not carrying passengers, and display no-smoking signs. Drivers caught smoking may face fines and disciplinary measures.

Furthermore, the Highway Code advises against smoking while driving due to the distraction it can cause, emphasizing the importance of drivers’ full attention on the road.

drop in bus event for North Somerset
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [366963/30922/5]
Posted by infoman at 10:55, 16th October 2025
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https://n-somerset.gov.uk/news/sign-your-free-place-next-bus-user-forum

 Sign up for your free place at the next Bus User Forum
10:37am - 14 October 2025

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An electric bus

North Somerset Council is inviting residents, businesses and community groups to take part in the next Bus User Forum, an opportunity to hear updates and share views on the future of local bus services. The forum will run across two sessions this October, one online on Monday 27 and one in Portishead on Wednesday 29.

Participants will hear directly from local bus operators, councillors, and council officers about plans for services, local offers, and updates on infrastructure projects. Sessions will also provide updates on funding available to support bus services and give opportunities to shape decisions on future service changes, including WESTlink.

Residents will be able to share their own experiences and ideas directly with both North Somerset’s bus operators and the council. The feedback will be collected and suggestions made to bus operators with changes encouraged, but the operators make final decisions on the bus network. Feedback will also be used to help determine which services the council financially supports or subsidises in the future.

Sign up using the links below.

Forum dates:

    Online session – Monday 27 October, via Microsoft Teams: North Somerset Council Bus User Forum October 2025 (online) Tickets, Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 6:00 PM | Eventbrite
     
    In-person session – Wednesday 29 October, at Portishead Children’s Centre: North Somerset Council Bus User Forum October 2025 (in-person) Tickets, Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 3:00 PM | Eventbrite

Both sessions will cover the same information, so attendees are encouraged to register for the one that suits them best.

Cllr Hannah Young, North Somerset Council’s cabinet member with responsibility for highways and sustainable travel said: “Reliable, affordable and accessible bus services are vital for our communities. We know punctuality and reliability remain a concern for many residents, and this forum is a real opportunity to share experiences directly with the bus operators and council. At the same time, buses are central to our long-term ambition for a more sustainable transport system in North Somerset that will help to reduce congestion and cut carbon emissions. By working together, we can make sure that the government funding we receive to support local bus services is targeted to best meet the needs of our local communities."

[OTD] 16th October 2017 - first IET train in service
In "Across the West" [366961/30921/26]
Posted by grahame at 10:34, 16th October 2025
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_800

The Class 800 trains came into service on the Great Western Main Line on 16 October 2017, while the first examples on the East Coast Main Line were put into service on 15 May 2019.

Love 'em or hate 'em ... rather that the diesel fumes at Paddington, all bar 4 departures per day are now under electric power ...





... with trains switching to diesel before remote places like Newquay, Tenby, Bedwyn, Bristol Temple Meads and Oxford are reached.



Far and wide beyond our GWR territory too.


Re: The modern pedestrian
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [366960/30918/50]
Posted by Timmer at 10:20, 16th October 2025
 
Has the change in the law / Highway Code to give an increased priority to pedestrians encouraged a more carefree attitude from walkers?
You could also ask the question how many drivers are aware of the change to the Highway Code that give pedestrians increased priority?

Re: December 2025 timetable
In "Heart of Wessex" [366958/30920/19]
Posted by Timmer at 10:14, 16th October 2025
 
Mentioning the WECA train services. These bought with them the bonus of doubling services onwards from Westbury to Salisbury giving Dilton Marsh a pretty much hourly service as well as good connections for services to/from Waterloo.

However, the amount of times the WECA trains get canned from Westbury makes the service unreliable as a connection for the Waterloos. I have found this out to my cost that if time is not on my side, better to stump up the extra cash and go via Paddington where London services tend to be more reliable.

Re: December 2025 timetable
In "Heart of Wessex" [366956/30920/19]
Posted by grahame at 09:39, 16th October 2025
 
There is so much to discuss here ... some very good points but also some significant compromises needed.  I may share your concerns but at the same time understand the issues.  For example

Been using realtime trains to look at new timetable from mid December in my local area Bradford on Avon (and also applies to Trowbridge).   [snip]

The off peak timetable is horribly spaced

11:40 Gloucester-Westbury
11:47 Cardiff-Portsmouth

Ah - but - that's a train that's stopped at Keynsham, Oldfield Park, Bath Spa, Freshford and Avoncliff being caught up by an express that's only called at Bath Spa. 12 minutes apart (not quite as bad) from Bristol Temple Meads, and having to avoid the IETs running every half hour Bristol to Bath - Bristol to Bath trains at 11:00, 11:10, 11:22, 11:30 and 11:42 in combination.  Also to note ... by being just ahead of the Portsmouth train when it arrives into Westbury, this provides a crisp onward connection from those smaller stations to the Solent area.

I would agree that the drift of a minute or two off the same time in each hour is scruffy and makes it less intuitive for passengers. 

Is it just me, or does anyone else think WECA is wasting money providing a third train each hour, if the timetable is so uneven with gaps of up to 32min.  Those gaps are worse than a half hourly service.

I would not go that far. WECA's timetable steps up Bristol -> Bath to every 10 minutes or so, and doubles service at Keynsham and Oldfield Park to 2 an hour - a bit irregular with gaps between 22 and 38 minutes, but a darned sight better than the bus service we used to have in Melksham with 2 an hour, gaps of 2 and 58 minutes.

Wiltshire in history gets "services like these" - at the tail end of the local service from Bristol, and on other lines when they happen to pass though on the way from somewhere important like London to somewhere else important like Exeter / Plymouth, and having to be mindful of stone trains and other freight too, on lines that were paired down half a century ago and can no longer cope.  I understand that one of the issues not oft publicised is the very long signalling sections between Bradford-on-Avon and Bathampton, and between Warminster and Wilton.


December 2025 timetable
In "Heart of Wessex" [366955/30920/19]
Posted by John D at 09:02, 16th October 2025
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Been using realtime trains to look at new timetable from mid December in my local area Bradford on Avon (and also applies to Trowbridge).

The off peak timetable is horribly spaced

eg from around 11am southbound
10:47 Cardiff-Portsmouth
11:19 Bristol-Salisbury
11:40 Gloucester-Westbury
11:47 Cardiff-Portsmouth
12:15 Bristol-Salisbury
12:34 Gloucester-Weymouth
12:47 Cardiff-Portsmouth
so gaps of 32min, 19min, 7min, 28min, 19min, 17min
and 2 of 3 trains are different times each hour

northbound (again from around 11am)
10:52 Frome-Bristol
11:18 Weymouth-Gloucester
11:24 Portsmouth-Cardiff
11:56 Salisbury-Bristol
12:17 Westbury-Gloucester
12:24 Portsmouth-Cardiff
12:56 Salisbury-Bristol
so gaps of 26min, 6min, 32min, 21min, 7min, 32min

Of course in a perfect world, 3 trains an hour would be 20 minute intervals, and at same clockface times each hour.  But this seems to be for operators convenience (gaps more than half hourly, 4 minute variations in following hour etc)

Is it just me, or does anyone else think WECA is wasting money providing a third train each hour, if the timetable is so uneven with gaps of upto 32min.  Those gaps are worse than a half hourly service.

Wondered what general view of such a timetable is.

 
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