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Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
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Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:36, 27th February 2020
 
Climate campaigners win Heathrow expansion case

Heathrow Airport's controversial plans to build a third runway have been thrown into doubt after a court ruling.

The government's Heathrow's expansion decision was unlawful because it did not take climate commitments into account, the Court of Appeal said.

Heathrow said it would challenge the decision, but the government has not lodged an appeal.

The judges said that in future, a third runway could go ahead, as long as it fits with the UK's climate policy.

The case was brought by environmental groups, councils and the Mayor of London.

The Court of Appeal found that the government had not followed UK policy when backing the controversial expansion plans.

[...continues]
Source: BBC

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Phil at 12:45, 27th February 2020
 
Although I was once a paid-up "frequent flyer" I haven't flown for nearly ten years now and have no plans to do so in the immediate future, so I shouldn't really express an opinion on this I suppose.

I really do strongly feel though that democratically accountable politicians, and not judges, should be making big decisions such as this though.

And yes I am aware that "democratically accountable" is probably an oxymoron when applied to politicians....

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by broadgage at 12:55, 27th February 2020
 
I am pleased by the verdict of the court.
I would not go so far as to prohibit flying, but cant support any expansion thereof.
The purpose of increased airport capacity is to accommodate more flights and more passengers.
If we are serious about the climate emergency, then we need fewer flights and less passengers, not more.

And if long distance rail services were better, including international services to the nearer bits of Europe, then more people would travel by train rather than by air.
Existing airport capacity would then more than suffice.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Clan Line at 13:53, 27th February 2020
 

I really do strongly feel though that democratically accountable politicians, and not judges, should be making big decisions such as this though.


I totally agree with that comment - this is yet another "suicide note" from the judiciary. However to some extent, they may have a point, as it was the Government who introduced the Laws !!   
The management at CDG, Schipol and Frankfurt must be rubbing their hands with glee.  There is a growing number of very important business centres (mainly in the far east) which have NO direct airlinks with the UK, but plenty from the previously mentioned European cities. If our business men have to take 4 hours/days/weeks longer to get there, I am afraid they will be at the back of the queue for business.
It seems even more perverse as it looks remarkably like a rerun of the bitter campaign to improve (or not improve) rail links between London and the the North (of England!).

PS: As I posted this I noticed a bit further down this board the title of a previous topic: Could Calne, Malmesbury and Marlborough become "transport deserts"?  ...............QED !

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 14:05, 27th February 2020
 
...yet another "suicide note" from the judiciary.

I doubt it. The prime Minister said in 2015 that "it is just not going to happen"; it is fair to assume that he still opposes the expansion. Why would the government be angry with a judiciary that helps it do what it wants?

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Robin Summerhill at 15:03, 27th February 2020
 
- this is yet another "suicide note" from the judiciary. ......QED !

It would be a very grave day for the UK justice system if it could be controlled by politicians.

It is sometimes tried in "banana republics" and often ends with rather fatal results, as when the South Afican Aparthied government tried it back in the 1960s.

The procedure we have is a simple one. The goverment introduces laws and, in case of doubt or injustice, it is for the courts to apply it and/or interpet it.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Thatcham Crossing at 15:54, 27th February 2020
 
I am pleased by the verdict of the court.
I would not go so far as to prohibit flying, but cant support any expansion thereof.
The purpose of increased airport capacity is to accommodate more flights and more passengers.
If we are serious about the climate emergency, then we need fewer flights and less passengers, not more

Please try to take into account that despite all the bad press, commercial aviation contributes about 2.5% of global "man-made" CO2 emissions. And that will probably reduce, as commercial aircraft are getting cleaner and more fuel-efficient all the time.

This sort of decision makes the UK look like a global laughing stock.

This decision will also hamper the efforts of airports like Southampton, where a very small runway extension is needed to improve the airport's future viability (and maybe it's survival). The City Council are opposed, although they are quite happy for cruise ships to sit in port (not on "shore power") all day belching far worse pollution into the atmosphere.

 

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by broadgage at 16:33, 27th February 2020
 
I appreciate that aviation is only responsible for a relatively small proportion of climate changing carbon dioxide emissions.

That however can be said of most sectors if considered individually.
Advocates of diesel trucks, petrol cars, coal burning power stations, domestic gas heating, cruise ships, and other sectors, can ALL say "don't worry that is only a small proportion of total emissions"

If we are serious about climate change, we need to reduce use of fossil fuels, not to encourage greater use.

Air transport is virtually 100% fossil fuel powered and likely to remain so. Improvements in fuel efficiency of aircraft have helped only very slightly.
Under present conditions, and under reasonably foreseeable future conditions, we need to fly less, not more.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:14, 27th February 2020
 
I am pleased by the verdict of the court.
I would not go so far as to prohibit flying, but cant support any expansion thereof.
The purpose of increased airport capacity is to accommodate more flights and more passengers.
If we are serious about the climate emergency, then we need fewer flights and less passengers, not more

Please try to take into account that despite all the bad press, commercial aviation contributes about 2.5% of global "man-made"
CO2 emissions. And that will probably reduce, as commercial aircraft are getting cleaner and more fuel-efficient all the time.

This sort of decision makes the UK look like a global laughing stock.

This decision will also hamper the efforts of airports like Southampton, where a very small runway extension is needed to improve the airport's future viability (and maybe it's survival). The City Council are opposed, although they are quite happy for cruise ships to sit in port (not on "shore power") all day belching far worse pollution into the atmosphere.

 

It's a triumph for the environmental lobby, but a potential economic disaster for the UK, especially post Brexit.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that it makes us a global laughing stock, but certainly Amsterdam, Frankfurt and others will be smiling quietly tonight.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Adrian at 19:34, 27th February 2020
 
This year, more than any other, Britain needs to be leading by example on climate change.
I will be interesting to see how this ruling is viewed with hindsight, in years to come.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Thatcham Crossing at 22:44, 27th February 2020
 
This year, more than any other, Britain needs to be leading by example on climate change.

I would contend that, as a nation, we already punch well above our weight on this issue.

It's a pity that other Countries, who have far more capability to positively influence the outcome, don't seem to want to.

but certainly Amsterdam, Frankfurt and others will be smiling quietly tonight.

They already are as they have more runways and capacity to expand at the expense of Heathrow's (and thereby the UK's) competitiveness:

Paris CDG - 4 runways
Frankfurt - 4 runways
Amsterdam Schipol - 6 runways

.....London Heathrow - 2 runways (down from 3, when the useful cross-wind runway 23/05 was closed, ultimately  to make way for the expanded Terminal 2)
 

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by CyclingSid at 07:00, 28th February 2020
 
I think it is necessary that there are checks and balances with the government system. If the courts question something parliament can legislate to make adjustments they see fit.

News this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51665682 might cause the government to reconsider its decision not to appeal the Heathrow case. Can railways schemes also fall foul of this?

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by mjones at 07:24, 28th February 2020
 



Please try to take into account that despite all the bad press, commercial aviation contributes about 2.5% of global "man-made" CO2 emissions. And that will probably reduce, as commercial aircraft are getting cleaner and more fuel-efficient all the time.




Actually that share is forecast to increase,  because air travel is expanding more quickly than efficiency is improving,  while other sectors are easier to decarbonise.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by mjones at 07:30, 28th February 2020
 



I really do strongly feel though that democratically accountable politicians, and not judges, should be making big decisions such as this though.




It is the politicians who make the decisions; however they have to comply with their own laws when doing so.  If the government wants to go ahead then it has to modify the proposals to make them comply with the laws they have passed; or they have to modify the laws to permit those plans. It is not democratically accountable to pass laws and then ignore them.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by ellendune at 08:24, 28th February 2020
 
The judges were at pains to say that they were not stopping the government from authorising Heathrow expansion it is just requiring them to show how they have taken account of their climate change commitments in making the decision in accordance with their own laws.

I suspect they won't change their minds and appeal the decision, but leave it to Heathrow to do that as that gets them out of the  internal party opposition to the scheme with many local MP's opposed to the scheme (including the pm). 

As for the impact on road schemes I suspect they will wait for that to happen and then try and show how they have taken it into account. 

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by grahame at 09:27, 28th February 2020
 
I think it is necessary that there are checks and balances with the government system. If the courts question something parliament can legislate to make adjustments they see fit.

News this morning https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51665682 might cause the government to reconsider its decision not to appeal the Heathrow case. Can railways schemes also fall foul of this?

The general understanding, I believe, is that rail is much 'cleaner' per person moved that road or air. However, there are some campaigners who take the view that new rail schemes too should be discouraged. The requirement of the courts is that the impact is looked at and taken into account, which it seems has not demonstrably happened on the 3rd runway.  Could mean another round of paperwork for Portishead!

I do question one thing in the BBC article ...

Aviation is a notoriously polluting sector, but the debate about cars is less clear-cut.

The government hopes technical innovation in the shape of electric and hydrogen cars will allow current or even increased levels of mobility to be carbon-free by 2050.

Its critics doubt the clean car revolution will happen fast enough to prevent emissions breaching climate laws.

They also warn about the environmental impact of the mining and manufacturing needed to make battery cars, and of the unavoidable particulate pollution generated by tyres and brakes.

Silly question - regenerative braking - does that not remove the majority of particulates that would come from friction brakes, which I accept my be needed for the come-to-rest phase.  Friction brakes to stop a vehicle moving once it is at rest would be a holding exercise, and particulate-free, right?

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by broadgage at 16:16, 28th February 2020
 
Yes, regenerative braking does significantly reduce the particulates emitted from tyre and brake pad wear.
This also increases the life of tyres and brake pads, not only saving money on replacements but also reducing the pollution from manufacturing replacements.
Regenerative braking also reduces electricity consumption, and therefore reduces the pollution from power stations.
Electricity from the UK grid is far less polluting than petrol, but does still produce some carbon dioxide and other pollutants, reducing consumption is therefore desirable.

Supreme Court lifts ban on Heathrow 3rd runway
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:40, 16th December 2020
 
Interesting news............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55322340

Re: Supreme Court lifts ban on Heathrow 3rd runway
Posted by broadgage at 16:00, 17th December 2020
 
Bad news IMO, If we are serious about the climate we need to fly a LOT less, not be expanding facilities so as to permit of more flying.
It also sets a worrying precedent as this ruling shows that promises and undertakings are worthless as they can later be overturned by the courts.

Re: Supreme Court lifts ban on Heathrow 3rd runway
Posted by 4064ReadingAbbey at 16:32, 17th December 2020
 
Bad news IMO, If we are serious about the climate we need to fly a LOT less, not be expanding facilities so as to permit of more flying.
Who 'we'?
It also sets a worrying precedent as this ruling shows that promises and undertakings are worthless as they can later be overturned by the courts.
The courts interpret the law, they do not make policy.

I would suggest that those who make the promises and undertakings make sure that what they are stating is compliant with the law in the first place.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by TonyK at 19:57, 14th February 2021
 
Heathrow's 3rd runway has lost support of late, and may be postponed for another decade or so. That seems to be the practical effect of the current thinking, as outlined in New Civil Engineer.

[size=14pt[/size]Gatwick expansion backed over Heathrow third runway
12 FEB, 2021 BY ROB HORGAN

The London Plan – drawn up by Sadiq Khan and approved by Communities secretary Robert Jenrick – includes no provision for Heathrow Airport Ltd’s plans for a third runway.

In fact, the plan mention’s the mayor’s “strong objection” to Heathrow expansion plans on a number of occasions.

This is despite advice from the Planning Inspectorate that the London Plan “should be modified to include the new northwest runway scheme at Heathrow.”

Instead, the London Plan supports expansions at Gatwick as well as at Stansted, London City, Luton and Southend airports.
(Continues at source)

Time to start all over again, unless the Government puts its foot down. This could help Bristol in its airport expansion plan, and the people of the villages scheduled for conversion to airfield might be able to breathe slightly more easily (in the metaphorical sense) for a few years until this rears its head again - if the plan is given the nod by the government. The Gatwick plan will upset fewer people than the Heathrow one did, and lawyers are cheaper round those parts.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:39, 14th February 2021
 
Heathrow's 3rd runway has lost support of late, and may be postponed for another decade or so. That seems to be the practical effect of the current thinking, as outlined in New Civil Engineer.

Gatwick expansion backed over Heathrow third runway
12 FEB, 2021 BY ROB HORGAN

The London Plan – drawn up by Sadiq Khan and approved by Communities secretary Robert Jenrick – includes no provision for Heathrow Airport Ltd’s plans for a third runway.

In fact, the plan mention’s the mayor’s “strong objection” to Heathrow expansion plans on a number of occasions.

This is despite advice from the Planning Inspectorate that the London Plan “should be modified to include the new northwest runway scheme at Heathrow.”

Instead, the London Plan supports expansions at Gatwick as well as at Stansted, London City, Luton and Southend airports.
(Continues at source)

Time to start all over again, unless the Government puts its foot down. This could help Bristol in its airport expansion plan, and the people of the villages scheduled for conversion to airfield might be able to breathe slightly more easily (in the metaphorical sense) for a few years until this rears its head again - if the plan is given the nod by the government. The Gatwick plan will upset fewer people than the Heathrow one did, and lawyers are cheaper round those parts.

Perhaps the plan is to use HS2 to get to a new larger hub at Birmingham International.

HS2 suggests a journey time of 38 minutes from London (Source - HS2) compared with a journey time of 49 mins (average)  London to Gatwick. (Source - Trainline)

Boris could potentially support this because it's not Heathrow, and being Central England it's closer to his new voters in the North.

Re: Heathrow expansion
Posted by TonyK at 08:58, 15th February 2021
 

Perhaps the plan is to use HS2 to get to a new larger hub at Birmingham International.

HS2 suggests a journey time of 38 minutes from London (Source - HS2) compared with a journey time of 49 mins (average)  London to Gatwick. (Source - Trainline)

Boris could potentially support this because it's not Heathrow, and being Central England it's closer to his new voters in the North.

If it isn't, it will be when Boris has read this!

He may choose to keep it slightly more local though. One of the previous iterations of the expansion plan had greater use of Gatwick's second runway. 08L/26R is shorter than its neighbour as the aerodrome chart shows., but at 2564 metres is long enough for practically anything to land, and all but the biggest long haul to take off. Bristol Airport for comparison is 2011 metres in length. The two runways are a lot closer together than Heathrow's pair, but with allowance for wake turbulence, both could be used simultaneously to great effect, with landings on  one and take-offs from the other. The money that was to have been spent on moving the M4 and M25 slightly to the right could instead be used to upgrade the railway to Gatwick, to give it a true express service.

London City has the capacity for more flights than it was operating when Covid started. Operators could be tempted to use that for additional internal flights if a market reappears in due course. Stansted, like Bristol, had begun a process to get permission to expand, which will look a lot more attractive to government with Heathrow frozen in time. One of the arguments used against those plans was that with Heathrow having a third runway, there will be no need for expansion at the regional airports.

What does this promise for the future? A busier Gatwick, first and foremost, which won't please everyone but won't upset as many people as a third runway at LHR would, and could mean fringe benefits in terms of improvements to the railway to the airport and south coast. Bristol Airport can go to the Planning Inquiry with renewed optimism, knowing that even if the planning inspector supports the irrational decision of north somerset parish council, the Secretary of State will be likely to allow the expansion unless the Green Party is in power by then. Stansted will also get the nod, and Birmingham might get bigger too. The Prime Minister will go to the hustings in 2025 and tell his constituents that he fought long and hard to stop the third runway, and has saved them all from it. Even if it happened in spite of, rather than because of, him, they will still carry him shoulder high back to Downing Street, hailing him as the greenest Prime Minister who ever graced Parliament. Britain will settle into a new golden age of aviation, with more and more new exciting destinations becoming available from enlarged regional airports.

Then, a couple of years later, plans will be published for a third runway at Heathrow, needed because of the massive increase in air traffic resulting from the rejection of the previous plans...




Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:02, 21st January 2025
 
Looks like it's back on again.....

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-01-21/reeves-to-back-third-runway-at-heathrow-in-battle-to-grow-economy

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 09:29, 22nd January 2025
 
Collective Cabinet Responsibility? I should imagine Ed Miliband choked on his bacon sandwich when he heard about this.

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by GBM at 09:33, 22nd January 2025
 
Cue Boris laying down in front of the diggers!

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by broadgage at 10:45, 22nd January 2025
 
Climate emergency ?

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:08, 22nd January 2025
 
Climate emergency ?

"Trumped" (forgive the pun!) by economic concerns.

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by anthony215 at 12:01, 22nd January 2025
 
The only one I can actually see happen is Gatwick plan to expand . Airlines should I stwad of all wanting to.use Heathrow make use of spare capacity at londons other airports

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by Electric train at 08:58, 23rd January 2025
 
I think they will approve LHR expansion, mainly because the taxpayer will not have much in the way of spend, most will be private sector.

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:32, 23rd January 2025
 
I think they will approve LHR expansion, mainly because the taxpayer will not have much in the way of spend, most will be private sector.

I'd be surprised if the timing of the change in planning laws, particularly restricting the ability to escalate and prolong objections is a coincidence in this context.

Re: Labour backing 3rd runway at Heathrow
Posted by Electric train at 18:04, 23rd January 2025
 
I think they will approve LHR expansion, mainly because the taxpayer will not have much in the way of spend, most will be private sector.

I'd be surprised if the timing of the change in planning laws, particularly restricting the ability to escalate and prolong objections is a coincidence in this context.

The Labour Government will want to prove that they are not a political party of 'dither and delay' of Parliament  but just get things done ('dither and delay' of Parliament a Bojo quote)

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:56, 29th January 2025
 
And now it's official.......

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/29/heathrows-third-runway-given-green-light-for-140000000-passengers-a-year-22454631/

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by eightonedee at 12:58, 29th January 2025
 
Clearly BoJo forgot to put a lot of his old policy papers through the shredder when he left, and someone has found them and re-used them.

The 0.43% increase in GDP sounds like something easily lost in a rounding error, but note that only half of it is stated to benefit the rest of the UK outside London and the South-east. Perhaps someone can do the maths and work out whether it might fund Portishead and the Fawley branch.

Anyway - looking forward to the revival of the Garden Bridge!

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by TonyK at 15:44, 29th January 2025
 
And now it's official.......

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/29/heathrows-third-runway-given-green-light-for-140000000-passengers-a-year-22454631/

...again. Plans for a third runway have been put forward, resisted, scrapped and put forward again since before the second runway was built.

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by ChrisB at 15:48, 29th January 2025
 
And Sadiq Khan knows where his votes are - & has already come out fighting against it. 

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 13:45, 30th January 2025
 
It seems obvious to me, given that any developments at Heathrow are unlikely to happen for quite some time, that bringing the second runway at Gatwick, which I understand is currently used in emergencies only, into live use would be the best quick fix for the stated lack of capacity issues. There appears to be plenty of room for upgraded and/or new terminal facilities.

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:05, 30th January 2025
 
From the BBC:

Heathrow's third runway can be built in 10 years, Reeves says

Heathrow's third runway can be built and operating in a decade's time, Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said.

Reeves told the BBC she wanted to see "spades in the ground" in the current Parliament and planes to start using the runway by 2035.

She also said that Sadiq Khan, the Labour Mayor of London who is opposed to Heathrow's expansion, could not stop the new runway.

Shadow chancellor Mel Stride said the Conservatives were in favour of a third runway at Heathrow "in principle" but "it remains to be seen" whether it can be built in a decade.

The extra runway at Heathrow was one of a number of infrastructure projects announced by the chancellor on Wednesday as part of the government's plans to boost economic growth.

"We think that we can get flights off within a decade," Reeves told the BBC. "I say that because we're not just announcing that we back it, we are changing the way that our planning system works to make it easier to deliver projects like the third runway at Heathrow."

When asked if Sadiq Khan could stop the expansion the chancellor said "no". "There can be judicial reviews but we are confident that this airport expansion will happen, that we will get the third runway built," she said.

Some have argued that it will take much longer than a decade for a third runway at Heathrow to become reality.



A formal planning process has to take place, which could take between 18 months and two years. Any judicial review of the plan could take another year and a half, while actually building the runway could take about seven years.

The airport's expansion is highly controversial - facing opposition from environmental groups, local authorities and nearby residents.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary has called the plan "a dead cat. If it ever arrives, it will be about 2040, 2045 or 2050... it will not deliver any growth," he said on Wednesday.

The Green Party has called Heathrow's expansion the "definition of irresponsible", with the party's co-leader, Adrian Ramsay, saying it was a "fantasy" that the projects could be done without environmental damage.

Reeves was questioned over her previous opposition to the expansion of Leeds-Bradford airport over air and noise pollution grounds. "If Leeds-Bradford came back with plans to expand I would support these because I think things have changed significantly in the past few years," she said.

She said there were now more efficient plane engines and the use of sustainable aviation fuel was a "game changer". However, supplies of this fuel are currently very low. According to the European regulator EASA, they made up just 0.05% of the fuel used in the EU in 2020. It also costs much more than regular jet fuel.

The UK government has introduced a Sustainable Aviation Fuel Mandate, which stipulates that 2% of all jet fuel supplied this year must be SAF, increasing to 10% in 2030 and 22% in 2040.

The director-general of the International Air Transport Association, Willie Walsh, has cast doubt on how quickly this can be achieved. "Sustainable fuel is a real thing, but we need it in significantly greater volumes than are available today," he told LBC on Wednesday. "Mandating airlines to use a fuel source that doesn't exist today doesn't make an awful lot of sense."

Stride said that while the Conservatives backed the third runway in principle, "it will take some considerable time. If the government keeps pushing on this it will be maybe the 2040s or the 2050s or who knows before it comes off."

Despite broadly backing plans to boost the UK's infrastructure, the Conservatives have argued tax rises in the Budget and planned changes to employment rights will damage growth. "The biggest barriers to growth in this country are Rachel Reeves, Keir Starmer and their job-destroying Budget," Stride said.

As well as announcing backing for a third runway at Heathrow, the chancellor also said on Wednesday that other projects would be supported to try to boost growth in the economy.  Expansions at Luton and Gatwick airports are being backed, as well as a "growth corridor" between Oxford and Cambridge, which she claimed could be "Europe's Silicon Valley". Reeves also told the BBC that when it came to planning and decision making over infrastructure projects "we need to do things differently".

It emerged last year that the HS2 rail line was spending £100m on a shield to protect bats in ancient woodland in Buckinghamshire. The chancellor said: "There are trade-offs and the balance has gone too far in the direction of always protecting every bat and every newt."

The government is setting up a fund, which builders can pay into to help nature restoration, "but not necessarily in the place the development is happening", Reeves said. "So builders can get on and build, and that money can be used for nature restoration projects elsewhere."

Separately, a leading economic think tank has warned that higher borrowing costs for the government may mean tax rises or spending cuts if it wants to stick to its own self-imposed rules.  According to a report from the Resolution Foundation, the government is spending £7bn a year more paying interest on its debt than it was at the time of the Budget.  As a result, the think tank said higher tax or cuts "may be needed" if the government wants to keep its promise not to spend more day-to-day than it brings in through tax.

A Treasury spokesperson told the BBC its commitment to its fiscal rules is "non-negotiable".



Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:57, 30th January 2025
 
It seems obvious to me, given that any developments at Heathrow are unlikely to happen for quite some time, that bringing the second runway at Gatwick, which I understand is currently used in emergencies only, into live use would be the best quick fix for the stated lack of capacity issues. There appears to be plenty of room for upgraded and/or new terminal facilities.

Gatwick/Luton expansion likely to be as well as Heathrow, not instead of.

Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts
Posted by TonyK at 20:46, 30th January 2025
 
It seems obvious to me, given that any developments at Heathrow are unlikely to happen for quite some time, that bringing the second runway at Gatwick, which I understand is currently used in emergencies only, into live use would be the best quick fix for the stated lack of capacity issues. There appears to be plenty of room for upgraded and/or new terminal facilities.

The main runway at Gatwick (08R/26L) is over 3,300 metres long and therefore long enough for almost any existing passenger aircraft to use, the most prominent exception being an extended range Boeing 777. The second runway(08L/26R) is over 2500 metres long, some 25% longer than the runway at Bristol Airport. The two Gatwick runways are too close together to be used concurrently or alternately. The airport's plan put forward in 2013 was for a new runway of over 3000 metres, situated around a kilometre to the south of the current runways and airport perimeter. That remains an active consideration, but not very active.

Separately, in 2020 Gatwick was given permission by the CAA to move forward with a plan to actually use the second runway. International Civil Aviation Organisation rules stipulate that the centrelines of parallel runways must be 210 metres apart at a minimum, and at Gatwick, they were 198 metres apart. The plan is to move the runway 12 metres to the north, build new taxiways, and use it for departures only. It was approved by the planning inspectorate in 2023, but I think the DCO application is still somewhere in the long grass. The proposal is opposed by those concerned about bats, newts, the continued existence of life on Earth, etc, and faces temporary opposition by such local politicians seeking re-election at any level. This would not stop the longer term possibility of a third, fully separated and longer, runway to the south of the present  perimeter.


I'd be surprised if the timing of the change in planning laws, particularly restricting the ability to escalate and prolong objections is a coincidence in this context.

I'd be surprised if you weren't, TG.

 
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