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Re: Coroner's safety call after runner's death at Formby crossing - 24 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [372733/31665/51]
Posted by Electric train at 16:00, 23rd February 2026
Already liked by rogerw
 
If he had run in front of an HGV on a road the Corner would probably would have recorded its as a death by misadventure.

It's unlikely the person would heed signage especially if its on a regular route he ran.

My sympathies go to his family and friends and it is always a sad day when someone is killed on the railways, but there is only so much that can reasonably be done to protect people from their own negligence

Re: TravelWatch SouthWest General Meeting, Friday 6 March 2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [372732/30742/34]
Posted by broadgage at 15:59, 23rd February 2026
 
Hope to be there but cant promise as mobility still a bit impaired.
I hope that the meeting venue is on the ground floor, or is served by a lift.
TANSTAAFL.

Re: Refund Rules for walk-up tickets are changing from April 1st
In "Fare's Fair" [372731/31662/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:58, 23rd February 2026
 
 Suspect not - everyone would very quickly be using it....events that coud be backed up by proof in writing like an A&E visit...

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372730/31660/52]
Posted by Electric train at 15:54, 23rd February 2026
 
I spent 2 weeks end of Oct begin of Nov 2025 in the USA, the holiday was planned before the golf player became president. 

I had a week in NYC, took the queue was an hour to get to immigration and took less than 10 mins to be allowed in.  I took the train from Newark Liberty airport the NYC Penn Central, during my week in NYC I rode the New York subway and survived  The NYC subway is a tap a credit card type entry system no tap on exit

At the end of the first week I used Amtrack from Pen Central to Washington DC, I stayed with friend in Arlington and used the DC metro a number of time into DC central, the metro is modern, efficient and reasonably priced DC metro is a tap a credit card type entry system and a tap on exit.

I would like to go back to the USA, but not while the current administration is in place

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [372729/31371/14]
Posted by ChrisB at 14:52, 23rd February 2026
 
If the 165 is knackered, it's probably awaiting a part (to be manufactured?)

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [372728/31371/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 14:43, 23rd February 2026
 
Becoming a regular occurrence now:

17:05 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:24 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

18:51 Evesham to Oxford due 19:50 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [372727/28982/26]
Posted by a-driver at 12:45, 23rd February 2026
 
5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.
or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

All fully signalled with shunt signals. No need for anything to be clipped and scotched.
If fully signalled with shunt signals the points would be mechanically locked and presumably electronically locked and you would not be able to change the points on the main line.
On the undergound as some who might have to do it we were taught to say scotched and clipped as the scotch goes in first in case the points move as you try to put the clip on. The trainer would also say don't put the clip on over the rail. It's been done!

I'm not quite sure I get you! 
if you go from Liskeard platform on the mainline towards the branch, you'd be signalled by a shunt signal - LD17.  Speed is 5mph.  Once the train drops in clear of LD20 on the branch, LD17 can be returned to danger and the points on the mainline can be returned to normal - mainline route.
Coming off the branch, the points will be reversed and LD20 can then be cleared in to the platform as far as LD11 which is Penzance end of the platform. 

If you were to use another unit to rescue the failed sets, you could still clear LD17 from the platform but because you will not drop in clear of LD20 you would need authorisation from the signaller to change direction and return to the platform.  The points would remain locked in position. 
The only time you wouldn't potentially need to clip and scotch the points is if the move was a passenger carrying move.

Re: Coroner's safety call after runner's death at Formby crossing - 24 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [372726/31665/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:58, 23rd February 2026
 
I have no problem with 'reviewing' - that should be happening regardless of events.

What I do have - and I believe Bob may agree - is with the Coroner's 'instruction', regardless of reason & cause.

And in this case, "don't wear earbuds playing loud music whilst out running" would be an instruction to those in danger that would achieve 100% safety as to this cause of danger. All an instruction like this one to Network Rail will achieve would be the closure of that crossing, likely with no substitution as no money available.

Re: Coroner's safety call after runner's death at Formby crossing - 24 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [372725/31665/51]
Posted by grahame at 09:51, 23rd February 2026
 
Not for the first time a completely unnecessary death which is entirely down to the actions of the deceased is followed by calls, and in some cases such as this instructions, to the rail industry to somehow rectify the perceived problem.

Whatever happened to common sense and personal responsibility?

Yes - BUT - things are only common sense if you think about them.  How many times have I been told something and thought "that makes sense" but I wouldn't thought of it otherwise?

There is sense in reviewing how the rail industry handles all safety issues - both before and after near misses, injuries and deaths.  Not for the rail industry to take the blame for 'actions of individuals', but never the less the industry should review and make appropriate mitigations as it continues to learn; it needs to do so as individual's habits changed over the years.

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [372724/25368/42]
Posted by grahame at 09:22, 23rd February 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
The return service was - err - full and standing on occasions!   After the withdrawal of the SWR service from Bristol as far as Westbury, a GWR train was put in in its place (great saving that!) with a connection at Westbury into the SWR coming up from Yeovil.  The connection hasn't always been held at Westbury ...

The substitution of a through service with one involving a change has long been deployed as a way to put the brakes on passenger flows. It always puts me in mind of the time when capacity on the trains took a sharp nosedive and it was used to reduce summer passenger numbers heading for Weymouth.

Mark

On that very narrow issue of the last train back from Bristol to Salisbury, I would no longer take the risk of catching [it/the replacement] back from Bristol or Bath to Warminster or Salisbury.    No "Plan B" available, and my understanding is that the SWR train, whilst it will wait a while at Westbury, does not do so indefinitely - "has to get back to Salisbury within train crew hours" I heard.    When it was a through train from Bristol, there was no way it could leave Westbury before it got there 

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [372723/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 09:19, 23rd February 2026
 
5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.
or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

All fully signalled with shunt signals. No need for anything to be clipped and scotched.
If fully signalled with shunt signals the points would be mechanically locked and presumably electronically locked and you would not be able to change the points on the main line. On the undergound as some who might have to do it we were taught to say scotched and clipped as the scotch goes in first in case the points move as you try to put the clip on. The trainer would also say don't put the clip on over the rail. It's been done!

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372722/31660/52]
Posted by Mark A at 09:12, 23rd February 2026
 
To this we have to add other risks, some in plain sight and others rather less so, but all, often casually and without a thought, exported to the rest of the world.

Mark


Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [372721/25368/42]
Posted by Mark A at 08:53, 23rd February 2026
 
The return service was - err - full and standing on occasions!   After the withdrawal of the SWR service from Bristol as far as Westbury, a GWR train was put in in its place (great saving that!) with a connection at Westbury into the SWR coming up from Yeovil.  The connection hasn't always been held at Westbury ...

The substitution of a through service with one involving a change has long been deployed as a way to put the brakes on passenger flows. It always puts me in mind of the time when capacity on the trains took a sharp nosedive and it was used to reduce summer passenger numbers heading for Weymouth.

Mark

Re: Coroner's safety call after runner's death at Formby crossing - 24 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [372720/31665/51]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:10, 23rd February 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Western Pathfinder, rogerw, GBM, broadgage
 
Not for the first time a completely unnecessary death which is entirely down to the actions of the deceased is followed by calls, and in some cases such as this instructions, to the rail industry to somehow rectify the perceived problem.

Whatever happened to common sense and personal responsibility?

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372719/31660/52]
Posted by grahame at 08:01, 23rd February 2026
 
Indeed, the USA considers it's a good year when the homicide rate is under 6 per 100,000. In  Europe it averages 2.1, about 1.1 in the UK.

Don't think you are safe on the roads either.  The USA has a fatal accident rate of 14.2 per 100,000. In the UK it's 2.4.

Indeed.   I have had a gun waved at me, threatening, twice by Americans in their late teens.  And I have gone into a custody meeting with a rather older American throwing his weight around to make an impression, and clearly armed.   Each case different and not tourist situations.   I've never had such a situation in the UK.   Of course, the USA has 5 times the population of the UK so these things will happen there more often  .

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372718/31660/52]
Posted by eightonedee at 07:47, 23rd February 2026
 
Indeed, the USA considers it's a good year when the homicide rate is under 6 per 100,000. In  Europe it averages 2.1, about 1.1 in the UK.

Don't think you are safe on the roads either.  The USA has a fatal accident rate of 14.2 per 100,000. In the UK it's 2.4.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [372717/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:10, 23rd February 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 23/02.

Customer Advice
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What has happened?
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We have been notified that engineering works between Twyford and Maidenhead scheduled to finish at 5am this morning are not going to be completed on time.

The below listed services will be terminating and starting from Reading:

Oxford to London Paddington
Newbury to London Paddington

Re: Model Britain are proud to announce the establishment of their advisory board
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [372716/31657/47]
Posted by Trowres at 22:52, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by grahame, GBM, johnneyw
 
It is written to be intelligible only to academics ... and to go over the heads of the rest of us.

I think you are being too polite (and kind to the author).

Maybe we could have another thread (like the "stock photo" one) in which we can line up examples of blatant BS?

Trowres.

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372715/31660/52]
Posted by JayMac at 21:44, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by eightonedee, Oxonhutch
 
probably safer there than in many parts of Europe in all honesty.

Statistics, barring war torn Ukraine, suggest otherwise.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [372714/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:50, 22nd February 2026
 
GWR Journeycheck seems to have gone home for the day but this from National Rail.....

Route(s) affected
Elizabeth line between Abbey Wood / London Paddington and Reading

All Great Western Railway routes to / from London Paddington

Description
A fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Reading means all lines are blocked. Trains between Slough and Reading may be cancelled, revised or delayed by up to 30 minutes.

Disruption is expected until 22:00.

Elizabeth line customer advice:

At present services will not operate between Maidenhead and Reading, and therefore Twyford and Reading will not served.

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372713/31660/52]
Posted by grahame at 19:20, 22nd February 2026
 
To digress slightly........  I have always thought that US Immigration staff were recruited specifically for their rudeness and aggressiveness ...

Sadly, I've noted that at times.  Immigration staff tend to come across like that, and much more so to people holding passports from other nations; it's not unique to the USA.   Individual national language dialects / differences also make a difference between receptions at London and American airports.

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [372712/25368/42]
Posted by Clan Line at 17:54, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by grahame
 

The return service was - err - full and standing on occasions!   

I bow to your superior knowledge/experience - I was not usually allowed out that late 

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [372711/25368/42]
Posted by grahame at 16:56, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Bit late on this one....

Yes the last train to Salisbury was the return SWR service back to the depot - and it was reasonably well used. This service was removed for a number of half baked reasons. The current last train to Salisbury is once again an SWR one - but having been banished from Temple Meads this one come up from Yeovil.  Totally bizarre !!

The return service was - err - full and standing on occasions!   After the withdrawal of the SWR service from Bristol as far as Westbury, a GWR train was put in in its place (great saving that!) with a connection at Westbury into the SWR coming up from Yeovil.  The connection hasn't always been held at Westbury ...

Re: Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) - merged posts
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [372710/9998/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:47, 22nd February 2026
 
From the BBC:

RNLI volunteer at Southend records 100th life saved in 40 years


Tony Bonham, 59, says he feels young and has "years" left in him

An RNLI volunteer commander has saved more than 100 people since he signed up 40 years ago.

Tony Bonham has logged 101 lives saved and 953 people aided since Southend-on-Sea station's record-keeping began in 1996, 10 years after he started. He said the real number was probably much higher.

The 59-year-old began volunteering as a lifeguard at nearby Shoebury West beach aged 15, joining the lifeboat team four years later. "We don't look at ourselves as heroes. I've been, I've done a job, I'm getting on with work now... we never look for recognition," he said.

If the person would have drowned without their assistance, it is recorded as a life saved, otherwise it is "assisted".

"There's 100 families plus that have still got their loved ones with them," he said.


Three generations of Bonhams - Tony Bonham with his son Tyler, and his son who "always wants to go down to the lifeboat station"

Bonham said they lose a lot of volunteers due to the commitment that is asked of them. "You can be out days, nights, anniversaries, Christmas Day. If you're on duty and you get a call, you've got to go," he said.

"We could be out at two in the morning... we do the job, we put everything back, make sure it's all ready. We go home to our families and carry on the next day. You might read about it in the paper; you might not."

Bonham says he is "very proud" of his son Tyler, who will soon be starting as a commander at the Gravesend lifeboat in Kent - and the family's involvement looks like it could extend to another generation. "Now his son, who's six, always wants to go down to the lifeboat station. He enjoys the cookies," said Tony.

Talking to Sonia Watson on BBC Essex, he described being called out together with his son for the first time recently. "He was my helm, I was his crew and it was really, really funny him being in charge," he said. "But I still got dressed quicker and was out before him."

He said he never turns his pager off, and returned to duty straight after the interview. "I still feel young. I am young - I'm 59 - got many years in me to go yet," he said.


Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [372709/28982/26]
Posted by a-driver at 16:29, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
5Z13 shows 175011 allocated from Par, and RTT has reports of it from Par to (so far) St Germans. How it got to Par, and why it's not showing on Traksy, is another matter.

It has just popped up at Wivelscombe on Traksy. But how it's already got past Saltash on camera, I have no idea.

Just to tidy up, and correct my mistakes:
-  REVUpminster's webcam of 175011picture was on 5Z33, 1100 Plymouth-Par, coming off the bridge at 11:13.
- so that answers my question about how it got to Par
- it was also seen in the Saltash webcam on 5Z13 at 12:51, on the way back to Plymouth (arr. 1259).

Which leaves outstanding the question of when it first got back from its enforced holiday at Liskeard to Plymouth. If I had to guess (which I don't, obviously) I'd say it was coupled to 175007, but not mentioned in despatches.
or did come back with 175002 and not mentioned.
An interesting signal problem is how. On London Underground signalling; as the points cannot be guaranteed, because a train is occupying the approach section, to be locked they would have to be scotched and clipped and hand signalled into the platform or the trains moved towards Liskard past signal LD20, the points on the branch scotched and clipped then the normal signal interlocking can take effect and the trains moved onto the main line.

All fully signalled with shunt signals. No need for anything to be clipped and scotched.

Re: GWR web app update: be aware
In "Across the West" [372708/31648/26]
Posted by plymothian at 16:28, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
Changing suppliers from Worldline to SilverRail. 

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [372707/25368/42]
Posted by Clan Line at 16:09, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by Mark A, Timmer
 
Also, thinking of the previously useful ~19:20 from Waterloo. Fast forward to 2026 and the closest Salisbury departure to that, on arrival, three carriages are detached - Gillingham, Templecombe, Sherbourne and Yeovil Junction get the benefit of those, while the three that could usefully serve Warminster, followed by the county town of Wiltshire, Bradford on Avon, Bath and Bristol are sent off to the depot. So, for that service, for once, there is the stock available and sitting around to cover the run to Bristol and return. (And the return wasn't a carrier of fresh air either.)

Mark

Bit late on this one....

Yes the last train to Salisbury was the return SWR service back to the depot - and it was reasonably well used. This service was removed for a number of half baked reasons. The current last train to Salisbury is once again an SWR one - but having been banished from Temple Meads this one come up from Yeovil.  Totally bizarre !!

I used to use the 1920, as far as Warminster, a lot !

Re: Travel to the USA - risks of being detained, even as a tourist
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [372706/31660/52]
Posted by Clan Line at 15:58, 22nd February 2026
Already liked by rogerw, eXPassenger, Mark A, GBM
 
To digress slightly........  I have always thought that US Immigration staff were recruited specifically for their rudeness and aggressiveness - and the shambolic system that the US seems to use. My most recent flight via Denver confirmed this. Miami is particularly bad - Phoenix the best.

When I was still working I made 3 flights to Boston (from LHR), I flew with Aer Lingus, via Dublin or Shannon (lot cheaper than AA & BA). Yes, it does add slightly to the overall journey time but this is more than compensated for by the fact that you clear US Immigration in the Irish Republic. On arrival in the US you are treated like a domestic passenger - pick up your bags and go. The Immigration officials seemed to be a mix of locally recruited staff or US citizens who were enjoying working in Ireland- very friendly and cheerful.

Coroner's safety call after runner's death at Formby crossing - 24 Aug 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [372705/31665/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:39, 22nd February 2026
 
From the BBC:

Rail signs call after runner's death at crossing



A coroner has called for better signs at level crossings after a runner listening to music died when he was hit by a train.

Sam Dudley died while jogging in Formby, Merseyside, on 24 August.

The klaxon siren and red light were in operation at Hoggs Hill Level Crossing and CCTV footage showed he appeared shocked at the sight of the train and tried to jump backwards.

Investigators found the 29-year-old had been listening to music on his mobile phone, which displayed a warning that the sound was too loud.

Anita Bhardwaj, senior coroner for Sefton, said the crossing had been "safe, compliant and operating as designed", adding it was "more likely than not that Sam did not hear the klaxon".

Following an inquest into his death, she concluded: "In my opinion, there is a risk that future deaths could occur unless action is taken." The coroner added that "increasingly, more people wear earphones and are therefore less aware of their surroundings".

She said visual signs on the approach to level crossings should be improved to prevent further accidents. "Visual cues generally attract initial attention more effectively and support rapid comprehension, while sound cues tend to create a stronger emotional connection," she said.

Network Rail, as the operator, is obliged to respond to her report by 31 March with details and a timetable of plans for action.


Re: Delay / Repay - to be less generous
In "Fare's Fair" [372704/31626/4]
Posted by Clan Line at 15:34, 22nd February 2026
 

1.  Why set the cut off points at 30 and 60 minutes - they could almost have been designed to cause problems on "clock face" services where people drop back through a cancellation or a missed connection into the following train.  Why not 25 or 35, 55 or 65 minutes?


I feel that there is a purpose in this. I have been "caught" twice when the train I was going to catch was cancelled, I had to wait an hour for the next clockface service (8pm on Romsey station in mid winter not recommended), on both occasions I then arrived at my destination one minute ahead of schedule. I felt that this was rather a penny pinching response - any reasonable person would say I was an hour late.............NOT GWR - only 59 minutes late !

The second time this happened (once bitten !), I asked the guard if I could re-board the train I had just got off (from Chandlers Ford) and take the scenic roundabout route back to Salisbury. He was OK with that and I had a nice warm, clean seat. 10/10 to SWR.

 
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