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Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [368684/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:12, 28th November 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.

Bus routes costing more than £100 a passenger are to be axed in 2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [368683/31164/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:39, 28th November 2025
 
From the BBC:

Two rural bus services that cost more than £100 to run for every passenger who used them are to be cut.

The once-weekly 15 service between Haslingfield, Cambridgeshire, and Royston, Hertfordshire, cost £48,297 to run in 2024-25, working out at a cost per passenger of £180.

Meanwhile, the 8A service offering one journey a day in each direction between March, Cambridgeshire, and Milton Park and Ride, Cambridge, cost £188,753 to run, with each passenger journey working out at just over £100.

Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority has agreed to stop subsidising both services, saying it had to make "tough choices" based on cost and usage.

At a meeting on Wednesday the authority's board heard that the 8A route had been extended to take it to the park and ride in the hope it would improve passenger numbers. However, a report stated there had been a "limited change" in numbers, the Local Democracy Reporting Service said.

Officers told the board that the loss of the 15 service would be mitigated through the expansion of the Tiger On Demand service in South Cambridgeshire. They said an agreement had been reached with South Cambridgeshire District Council to use money provided by developers to fund the expansion of this service.

Anna Bailey, the Conservative leader of East Cambridgeshire District Council, said discussing bus services was an "emotive subject" but there was not enough money to support every service across the area. She said they had to make tough choices as there was not an "endless pot of money".

Lucy Nethsingha, the Liberal Democrat leader of Cambridgeshire County Council, said it was a "controversial" decision but she would be supporting it.

Anna Smith, a Labour cabinet member at Cambridge City Council, said they needed to make sure people in rural communities did not become "trapped" when losing a bus service.

The two services will not be cut immediately as 112 days' contractual notice must be given to the traffic commissioner.

The board agreed to continue supporting a number of other bus services in Cambridgeshire, including ones that connect to neighbouring Lincolnshire and Suffolk.

The services include:
- 8, between Cambridge and Papworth Everard
- 46A, between Newmarket and Linton
- 5A, between St Ives and Bar Hill
- 27, between Stamford and Peterborough
- 61, between Eynesbury and Eaton Ford
- 68, Wisbech Town Service
- V4, between St Ives Bus Station and Boxworth


Re: GWR Black Friday sale
In "Fare's Fair" [368682/31139/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:46, 28th November 2025
Already liked by grahame, Timmer
 
With zero fuss/promotion that I've seen, this sale went live this morning. Savings are genuine against Advances, but if available to you, you might find Railcard discounted fares are cheaper

Re: Interrail Black Friday Sale - 25/11 to 17/12/2025 (for use in 2026)
In "Fare's Fair" [368681/31140/4]
Posted by grahame at 11:21, 28th November 2025
 
Whilst there was no particular rush (we still have three weeks to go) I have booked an Interrail pass for next year.  Various sites are available - I use https://www.interrail.eu/en which I commend to you.  My pass needs activation by 26th October 2026 and I am now wondering if I can find anything to do in Europe.  Lisa will be with me some of the time.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [368680/29726/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:46, 28th November 2025
Already liked by grahame, Timmer
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06

Facilities on the 17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06.
Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 5. First class reduced.

Gobsmacked - was that schedule to be an IET?   No reason why not, of course, as far as Westbury but the idea of holding a hand out to stop an IET at Dilton Marsh is surreal

A possible explanation as to why an entry was made by mistake is that the set that forms that train (2V68, 13:28 WEY-GCR) is booked with 5-cars (166 and a 165) between Bristoland Gloucester with the 165 locked out of use and detaching at Gloucester.

Re: Full and standing 27 November 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368679/31160/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 10:04, 28th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Today's 9:52 Paddington to Hereford has just departed. The GWR app is showing no seats available.

GWR's passenger charter actually says "you shouldn’t have to stand on an off-peak train at all". I did ask GWR a number of years ago how they ensured this commitment was met and what steps they took if a particular service struggled to meet it. There was no response...

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [368678/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:02, 28th November 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Gobsmacked - was that schedule to be an IET?   No reason why not, of course, as far as Westbury but the idea of holding a hand out to stop an IET at Dilton Marsh is surreal
Are IETs even cleared for travel south of Westbury to Salisbury? They may be for getting to Eastleigh for repairs to their yaw damper brackets. (Yes I had to look that up  )

As far as I am aware they are NOT cleared to Salisbury.  I have certainly not seen any of the IET stop boards south of Westbury.

The JourneyCheck and Real Time Trains we echo here are supremely useful in looking and learning about serious problems - cancellations,  service short runs and delays, to inform in the "here and now" and look back and see what and why at later dates.   Mixed in with those superbly useful reports are a sprinkling of frivolous ones where the systems have reported something that really does not matter to the passengers (3 cars rather than 2, delayed by a minute) or is plain wrong (5 cars with first class to Salisbury) - they lighten the message and help maintain the humour and humanity but can dilute the serious message.     Case in point, this report here ...

Re: Full and standing 27 November 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368677/31160/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 22:40, 27th November 2025
 
This service wasn't a short-form - it's always a five car train. That said, it always does seem to be quite busy even if it's unusual for it to be "full and standing" due to overcrowding.

Re: Cheltenham Road Viaduct - scope for possible redoubling (split topic, ongoing discussion)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368676/31161/21]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 22:18, 27th November 2025
Already liked by Ralph Ayres, Chris from Nailsea, TonyK
 
Depends on who gets the contract ....

Re: Full and standing 27 November 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368675/31160/14]
Posted by Timmer at 22:02, 27th November 2025
 
No concrete evidence for this but I suspect cases of short forms will be more prevalent away from the London Bristol route over the next two and a half weeks as every effort is made to ensure maximum capacity for Bath Christmas market which started today. 
Oh yes, got to make sure everyone can get to visit the Bath sheds.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [368674/29726/18]
Posted by Timmer at 21:42, 27th November 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Gobsmacked - was that schedule to be an IET?   No reason why not, of course, as far as Westbury but the idea of holding a hand out to stop an IET at Dilton Marsh is surreal
Are IETs even cleared for travel south of Westbury to Salisbury? They may be for getting to Eastleigh for repairs to their yaw damper brackets. (Yes I had to look that up  )

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [368673/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:24, 27th November 2025
 
Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/11.

This one seemed to have disappeared but is now back again.........now until the end of the day.

Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Re: Full and standing 27 November 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368672/31160/14]
Posted by bobm at 20:14, 27th November 2025
 
No concrete evidence for this but I suspect cases of short forms will be more prevalent away from the London Bristol route over the next two and a half weeks as every effort is made to ensure maximum capacity for Bath Christmas market which started today. 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [368670/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:44, 27th November 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06

Facilities on the 17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06.
Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 5. First class reduced.

Gobsmacked - was that schedule to be an IET?   No reason why not, of course, as far as Westbury but the idea of holding a hand out to stop an IET at Dilton Marsh is surreal

Re: Cheltenham Road Viaduct - scope for possible redoubling (split topic, ongoing discussion)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368669/31161/21]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 19:03, 27th November 2025
Already liked by grahame, Chris from Nailsea, johnneyw, Western Pathfinder, eightonedee, rogerw, TonyK
 
As well as the previous noted items, the bridge over the port entrance at Sea Mills needs replacing badly.
I hope you meant "...badly needs replacing."?

Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [368668/31163/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:43, 27th November 2025
 
I have been reminded of my original post, on another topic here - simply because of its ongoing topicality. Those major infrastructure problems won't go away with Great British Railways, nor any of Rachel Reeves' Budget announcements :

No, I haven't lost the plot!
Rather, I'm sharing member ChrisB's view that this sort of problem won't suddenly go away on New Year's Eve:
And the first for 2025....New Thread please!
I'm merely preparing the ground here, ready for member TaplowGreen to develop this topic, in due course.
CfN.

This is clearly an area of concern (understatement?) to our members and readers of the Coffee Shop forum, in terms of their experiences of travelling on the railways in our wider area.

While starting this topic (in preparation), may I also reassure all of our members that their ongoing contributions to this, and indeed any other topic, will continue to be very welcome.

Chris from Nailsea.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368667/24934/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:11, 27th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Across the whole entire GWR IET fleet, there’s approximately 100 engines isolated.  If they’re rectifying 3 a day, that’ll be over a months worth of worth excluding new failures.  Add to that, the countless speed restrictions in place because of track defects and the picture is grim.

Same problem from last month's discussion

Re: Cheltenham Road Viaduct - scope for possible redoubling (split topic, ongoing discussion)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368664/31161/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:47, 27th November 2025
 
With apologies for continuing the thread drift (does this warrant its own topic? Not sure...) Cheltenham Road Viaduct does look to be reasonably capacious (see Google Maps image). Clause 18 of The Great Western and Midland Railways (Clifton and Bristol) Act of 1871 implies that part or all of the line was originally built to broad guage, so I suspect they at least allowed for this - even though the iron spans of the bridge were cast in Derby, which suggests the contract may have been let by the Midland.

Apologies too for thread drift. AFAIK Cheltenham Road Viaduct is double-track as-built (standard not broad gauge). Assuming it's structurally sound, the problem is that if you redouble, you have to rebuild Montpelier and Redland stations which will mean lifts etc. and I suspect £10m+ each by the time you are done (not to mention they are tight sites very close to housing). IIRC, there is a plan being progressed by WECA and NR to redouble up to (St Andrews?) tunnel east of Montpelier Station with a revised junction onto the mainline which would give a significant capacity uplift for less money and minimal disruption.


I understand that according to Colin Maggs' 1975 book 'The Bristol Port Railway and Pier', the line was indeed built to standard guage, rather than broad. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that the structures weren't built to accommodate broad guage track... and the viaduct does look to be generously-porportioned. But it seems likely that it would need to be refurbished if the line were to be redoubled.

This isn't really the point though; the question is whether the line could be redoubled without the need to acquire land. The answer to that is probably, for the most part, 'yes' - with the exception being around stations which would, as you say, need to be rebuilt to be accessible with two platforms.

The WECA plan to make Narroways Jct a double lead junction would allow a 3 tph service on the Severn Beach line. Questions have been asked about how resilient a service this would allow, however. But for a true metro-style service, 4 tph is required - and it's hard to see that being achieved without doubling all the way from Narroways to Clifton Down.

This would require reinstating second platforms at Redland and Montpelier. At Redland this may be achievable without costly lifts; Montpelier on its hillside site could be a harder nut to crack.

As well as the previous noted items, the bridge over the port entrance at Sea Mills needs replacing badly.

Yes, the state of Sea Mills Viaduct appears, to the layman's eye, shocking - rusty bits of it are falling into the mud!

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [368663/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:42, 27th November 2025
 
Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Reading trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/11.

Re: Cheltenham Road Viaduct - scope for possible redoubling (split topic, ongoing discussion)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368662/31161/21]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 16:17, 27th November 2025
 
As well as the previous noted items, the bridge over the port entrance at Sea Mills needs replacing badly.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368660/24934/26]
Posted by stuving at 15:26, 27th November 2025
Already liked by matth1j
 
Any suggestions why it's happening now - what's changed?

The reports (from last month) say it's run time from new, so the whole fleet is potentially affected. The cure is simple enough - replace every fuel pump. But it's not quick, as the GU has to be dropped for access, so only a few can be done per day. The other issue is that if a pump's innards disintegrate before the replacement happens, bits can end up in places in the engine where they cause further damage.


Re: Re-opening the Cowley branch to passenger traffic
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [368659/27074/9]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:17, 27th November 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch
 
Administrator explanation:

Several subsequent posts on this topic went off at a bit of a tangent, discussing the possibility of redoubling the Cheltenham Road Viaduct in Bristol.

Those posts have been split off and moved to our 'Bristol (WECA) Commuters' board, to form their own topic, at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=31161.0

Hope this helps, in the interests of clarity. CfN.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368658/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 14:35, 27th November 2025
 
27.11.2025

11:52 London Paddington to Hereford due 14:44 was terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at Worcester Foregate Street, Malvern Link, Great Malvern, Colwall, Ledbury and Hereford.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/11/2025 14:21

15:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 18:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at Hereford, Ledbury, Colwall, Great Malvern, Malvern Link and Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:27/11/2025 14:20

Is there a GW service that fails to reach it's intended end of journey as often as 1W02?

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368657/24934/26]
Posted by matth1j at 14:01, 27th November 2025
 
Any suggestions why it's happening now - what's changed?

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368656/24934/26]
Posted by bradshaw at 13:59, 27th November 2025
 
Reports appearing that GWR IETs are having problems with the fuel pumps on the Generating Units.
This is affecting numerous units

https://x.com/cmpd_date/status/1993100923288404229?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ

https://x.com/gordondudman/status/1994021321836032219?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ

https://x.com/chimewhistle/status/1993707713839485201?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ

Cheltenham Road Viaduct - scope for possible redoubling (split topic, ongoing discussion)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368655/31161/21]
Posted by Noggin at 13:53, 27th November 2025
 
With apologies for continuing the thread drift (does this warrant its own topic? Not sure...) Cheltenham Road Viaduct does look to be reasonably capacious (see Google Maps image). Clause 18 of The Great Western and Midland Railways (Clifton and Bristol) Act of 1871 implies that part or all of the line was originally built to broad guage, so I suspect they at least allowed for this - even though the iron spans of the bridge were cast in Derby, which suggests the contract may have been let by the Midland.

Apologies too for thread drift. AFAIK Cheltenham Road Viaduct is double-track as-built (standard not broad gauge). Assuming it's structurally sound, the problem is that if you redouble, you have to rebuild Montpelier and Redland stations which will mean lifts etc. and I suspect £10m+ each by the time you are done (not to mention they are tight sites very close to housing). IIRC, there is a plan being progressed by WECA and NR to redouble up to (St Andrews?) tunnel east of Montpelier Station with a revised junction onto the mainline which would give a significant capacity uplift for less money and minimal disruption.

 
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