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Re: Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373675/31789/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:54, 28th March 2026
 
The updated NRCoT will only be released on April 1st, acording to National Rail - I asked.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [373674/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:22, 28th March 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington

Due to trespassers on the railway between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 17:45 28/03.

Re: Caledonian MacBrayne ferries in Scotland
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373673/30034/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:48, 28th March 2026
 
... and it gets even worse - from the BBC:

CalMac warns of 'critical shortage' as eight ferries now out of action


MV Lord of the Isles suspended all sailings after an engine problem

Engine problems have put an eighth CalMac ferry out of action, as the operator apologised for a "critical" shortage of ships.

MV Lord of the Isles, which has been sailing the Oban to Mull route, suspended all sailings on Saturday after a "technical issue" with its main engine.

Three other large ferries - including CalMac's troubled Glen Sannox vessel - are already unavailable, while four other ships are undergoing annual maintenance.

The state-owned firm told island communities that the situation was the "most pressing" it had faced and disruption would continue into next week.

CalMac said "virtually every island served by a major vessel" on its west of Scotland network was being affected by the shortage of ships.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Caledonian MacBrayne ferries in Scotland
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373672/30034/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:16, 28th March 2026
 
From the BBC:

'Almost every island' facing disruption due to ferry shortage, warns CalMac


CalMac's two newest ships MV Glen Sannox and MV Isle of Islay are both unavailable while faults are investigated

West coast ferry operator CalMac has said "almost every island served by a major vessel" is facing disruption as it grapples with an "unprecedented" shortage of ships.

Three large ferries - including its two newest vessels MV Glen Sannox and MV Isle of Islay - are still unavailable while faults are investigated, and four other ships are away for annual maintenance. But some relief has come to Arran after a fourth major vessel, MV Caledonian Isles, was repaired and resumed services from Ardrossan.

The state-owned firm said it had established an incident management team which would be on hand throughout the weekend to help manage services and repairs.


MV Caledonian Isles is now back in service, restoring sailings from the mainland to Brodick in Arran

CalMac chief executive Duncan Mackison said that despite repairs to Caledonian Isles and a smaller vessel, MV Coruisk, the operator was still dealing with an "unprecedented level of challenges on our network."

"This disruption is affecting virtually every island served by a major vessel and we are profoundly sorry for that," he added. "We are doing what we can to restore these services as quickly as possible."

MV Glen Sannox, which sails to Arran from Troon, developed a problem with a flexible coupling in its exhaust system early on Thursday. A quick repair allowed it to return for one sailing but the problem re-occurred so it has now been withdrawn until Tuesday for a permanent fix and checks to ensure it is available for Easter weekend.

A separate recurring issue with an engine warning light which began shortly after its return from annual maintenance in Merseyside is believed to have been remedied. CalMac suspects it was due to incorrect oil levels and an electrical fault which have now been addressed.



MV Isle of Islay, the first of four new ferries built in Turkey, was meant to enter service on the Islay route on Friday but that has been pushed back until at least Monday. A specialist engineer has been brought in to investigate an engine management system fault and other "snagging issues" are also being looked at.

MV Isle of Arran, a 42-year-old ship affectionately known as the Auld Trooper, has a problem with its fire suppression system. Other faults have since been found with a coupling and a bow thruster, and it is likely to be out of action until early next week.

Four other vessels - MV Hebrides, MV Loch Frisa, MV Isle of Lewis and the chartered catamaran MV Alfred - are all away for scheduled maintenance or repairs.


Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373671/31796/4]
Posted by grahame at 11:56, 28th March 2026
Already liked by ChrisB
 
Because they'd want to meet in the middle of the two fares so as not to lose farebox revenue, meaning the cheaper price rises....

I do wonder why the description of "via Taunton" isn't just changed to "any permitted" ... and that could have a lot of re-ticketing when a GWR train gets diverted via Yeovil!

Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373670/31788/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:29, 28th March 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
- what is visibility like at Dockyard -

Not good, if there's fog on the Hamoaze. 

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373669/31796/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:18, 28th March 2026
 
Because they'd want to meet in the middle of the two fares so as not to lose farebox revenue, meaning the cheaper price rises....

Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373668/31788/26]
Posted by grahame at 10:13, 28th March 2026
 
Babcock, the Devonport Royal Dockyard operator, is actively reducing the amount of on-site car parking for staff. They are paying for an extensive network of bus routes morning and evening.
Maybe this has resulted in an increase in Dockyard Station use? Is there a similar increase at Devonport and Keyham stations?

Thank you for that.  Another question if I may - what is visibility like at Dockyard - both for the train driver seeing people on the platform flagging them down, and for people on the platform seeing the train approaching while standing well back from the edge?

Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373667/31788/26]
Posted by Pb_devon at 08:13, 28th March 2026
 
Babcock, the Devonport Royal Dockyard operator, is actively reducing the amount of on-site car parking for staff. They are paying for an extensive network of bus routes morning and evening.
Maybe this has resulted in an increase in Dockyard Station use? Is there a similar increase at Devonport and Keyham stations?

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373666/31796/4]
Posted by eightonedee at 21:14, 27th March 2026
Already liked by MVR S&T
 
I'm afraid my first reaction is "if making fares simpler is a priority, why on earth haven't they made both routes in Oxonhutch's example the same?"

Surely the same fare for all routes between two points cannot be difficult to put in place?

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373665/31796/4]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 20:20, 27th March 2026
 
13.2 Worries me. And I have to wonder why?

Reading Exeter has two routes, via Honiton or Taunton - there is no 'Any permitted'.

The Man in Seat 61 uses this as an example as an on-train solution - Honiton is cheaper: if routing Taunton - just pay the excess.

If travelling Honiton with a Taunton fare, simply excess the difference - in this case an excess ticket with price £0.00.

The lack of 13.2 makes both ticket invalid. Bad move.

Re: Connectivity Tool - Department for Transport website
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373664/31798/40]
Posted by Mark A at 18:49, 27th March 2026
 
Don't know if the following is of relevance of general interest
https://connectivity-tool-lite.dft.gov.uk/index

This DfT tool... does it capture the basics of connectivity? (Which I'd suggest being able to name two localities and reveal data that shows how well said two places are connected using various travel modes. After which it might be able to bring enhancements into the equation such as 'If we added this, what would be the improvement and how big a population would benefit?')

Mark

Re: Connectivity Tool - Department for Transport website
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373662/31798/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:17, 27th March 2026
 
That needs splitting off to its own thread I think?

Thanks, ChrisB.  I have made your suggested adjustments.  CfN. 

Re: Connectivity Tool - Department for Transport website
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373661/31798/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:13, 27th March 2026
 
From GOV.UK - "Discover connectivity in your local area".

Re: A very inconsequential chat: Nailsea & Backwell to Bath Spa, return, today
In "Introductions and chat" [373660/31797/1]
Posted by eXPassenger at 17:26, 27th March 2026
 
We normally drive and use the Park and Ride which is free with our bus passes.

Re: Addressing Information - cost - connectivity - comfort - frequency - reliability
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373659/31748/40]
Posted by grahame at 16:30, 27th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
It should change (eventually) - at the next fares download. Not sure how often the machine connects to do that. It may be that individual machines can be manually done, but otherwise it happens en-bloc (I believe)

Email received at 14:35 confirming "the Melksham TVM should now be updated with an amended set of fares on the front screen."  Visited the station at 15:50 just to check before I said "thank you" ... and on the front panel it's unchanged - still selling a £14.40 off peak day return to Trowbridge.

I would have been more inclined to believe the email (and not go and check) if I had been told that it would update overnight ... and still expect it might.

Re: Connectivity Tool - Department for Transport website
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373658/31798/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:23, 27th March 2026
 
That needs splitting off to its own thread I think?

Re: Addressing Information - cost - connectivity - comfort - frequency - reliability
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373657/31748/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:22, 27th March 2026
 
It should change (eventually) - at the next fares download. Not sure how often the machine connects to do that. It may be that individual machines can be manually done, but otherwise it happens en-bloc (I believe)

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [373656/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 13:46, 27th March 2026
Already liked by Pb_devon, GBM
 
 175103 and 175105 dragged from Ely today; the ones I presume should have come last Friday

Ely : 4: 175005/008, 175104/109 (175008 is in two halves)

Wolverton :11 : 175004, 175102/103/105/106/107/108/110/113/115/116

Laira : 11: 175002/007/009, 175114 ex Ely; 175001/003/006/011, 175101/111/112 ex Wolverton

Long Rock : 1 : 175010 ex Ely

as of 27 March 2026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXoiW3fW4yc

Re: Where have all the cheap "Advanced Fares" gone?
In "Fare's Fair" [373655/31786/4]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:38, 27th March 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
Ughhh!  What a horrible experience

Ever since an episode of being stuck on a packed train in a Central Line tunnel, back in August 1995, I have not been able to cope at all well in crowded places, whether on board train, station, airport departure gate or security.  Just awful.  I would rather wait for the next train than become an airless sardine

The Central Line train was stopped for probably no more than 10 minutes, but it seemed like five or six times that.  People were fainting and screaming.  I have never been more glad to get onto an escalator out of a tube station than I was that day at Oxford Circus

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373654/31796/4]
Posted by JayMac at 11:45, 27th March 2026
 
Conditions right, train manager wrong.

14.3 has not been withdrawn.

Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373653/31788/26]
Posted by grahame at 10:07, 27th March 2026
 
Lympstone Commando numbers are astonishing - would that be because there tend to be whole troups of commandos or recruits arriving at the same time, or is there traffic well spread across trains.   Also looking at some the other flow metrics - how peaky are they - right down to Dockyard.   With Dockyard, is there still a significantly larger flow to and from the dockyard with certain trains?    Thanks for your help on this

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373652/31796/4]
Posted by grahame at 05:48, 27th March 2026
 
From current conditions of travel:

14. Using a Combination of Tickets

14.1 Some Tickets specifically exclude their use in conjunction with other Tickets. This will be made clear in the terms and conditions when buying such Tickets.

14.2 Unless Condition 14.1 applies, you may use a combination of two or more Tickets to make a journey provided that the train services you use Call at the station(s) where you change from one Ticket to another.

14.3 Unless Condition 14.1 applies, if you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger, or rover, in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to Call at that station for your combination to be valid.

Bolding and capitalisation as per current NRCoT

Announcement by the train manager on the 15:30 ex Paddington on 24th March (2026) which I was travelling on "This train does not call as Didcot and if you are travelling on split tickets changing from one ticket to another there, your tickets will not be valid.   There is revenue protection on this train". 

Has clause 14.3 been withdrawn?    The announcement by the train manager seemed to ignore it. 

If making 2 return trips, both at peak times and using trains that do not call at Didcot, from Melksham to Paddington within a week, the lowest cost way has been a single to Didcot, a weekly season to Cholsey, a return from Cholsey to London an a further single Didcot to Melksham.  My understanding is that's within 14.3, but is contradicted by what the train manager said.

Yes - revenue protection did come through; I was not making use of this clause and did not feel inclined to raise it with them.

Re: Addressing Information - cost - connectivity - comfort - frequency - reliability
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373651/31748/40]
Posted by grahame at 05:21, 27th March 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Mark A, ChrisB
 
I understand that the £14 return fare (£18 before 09:00 Monday to Friday) from Melksham to Trowbridge exists because the Melksham is a "Chippenham Group" station and Trowbridge is in the Westbury group. The fare is valid via Bath Spa.

I am told that the fare should be overridden on the front of the TVM by the direct fare but due to a "database error" it's the higher fare - £14 or £18 - rather than the fare of around £6 that is offered on the single press "popular destinations" menu on the front panel; the lower price fare can be found if you know to dig in and look for it.

My GWR contact has apologised for how long he has taken to get back to me on this (I heard on 26th), but only explained (no apology) for the database error.  He tells me the database was corrected on 19th, but as of 25th when I was last at the station, the change has not percolated through.   

I raised this matter with GWR's head of revenue on Tuesday (23rd) at GWR's parliamentary reception, and he assured me that this fare was chosen for the front of the TVM as it's the one that's most sold for the journey. If he's correct in that statement, it illustrates just how many people are being what I regard as overcharged by nearly £10 for a ten minute journey.  K-chink - nice money raiser!   If he's incorrect in his statement, then can I believe anything else he tells me with an assurance.  Just occasionally, "don't know - I'll find out" would be the best answer.

I have gotten back to GWR asking them to changes the offering on the front panel to reflect the fact that most Melksham to Trowbridge passengers take the direct train ...


Re: 60 years since the publication of the Beeching Report
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373650/27322/51]
Posted by grahame at 04:52, 27th March 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
The "Beeching Report" is mirrored at https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/BRB_Beech001a.pdf and that document is "whitelisted" so it is publicly available from our site. The associated maps are at https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/BRB_Beech001b.pdf

For signed in members, we also hold archive copies of some other contemporary documents such as
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/NUR_UpToYou1963.pdf - NUR Its Up to YOU! Save your Railways - 1963
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/NUR_Misshaping1963.pdf - NUR The Mis-Shaping of British Railways - Part 1: Retort -1963
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/Hans_Beeching02051963.pdf - Review of Dr Beeching's Report The Reshaping of British Railways - 1965
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/Obs_Beech001.pdf - The Observer on Beeching - "The Transport Conflict" - 10 Jan 1965
I'm not sure on the copyright on this even 60 years late, hence I have not made them generally available.  We do welcome new members to the Coffee Shop, and once you have signed up for free and been approved, you'll be able to read them

Re: A very inconsequential chat: Nailsea & Backwell to Bath Spa, return, today
In "Introductions and chat" [373649/31797/1]
Posted by grahame at 04:37, 27th March 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Missed them in Bath (but then not sure if I would recognise them or they would recognise Lisa and me).

We went in by bus ... and noted with some pleasure that in some parts of the city there seem to be more buses than cars around - has to be a good thing to help reduce congestion, though the bus station was crowded to the extent that we had to push our way through to get to the waiting area near the bay that the 271/2/3 leave from.

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel 2025 - omitted clauses
In "Fare's Fair" [373648/31796/4]
Posted by grahame at 04:33, 27th March 2026
 

In the 2025 version, 13.1.2 is followed by two information boxes, then 13.3.

Firstly, would someone like to confirm that the omission is general, and not restricted to my copy of NRCoT?


The copy I see / and have just downloaded from https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/NRCOT/ is also missing 13.2

The refund of unused tickets issue from 1st April has been heavily flagged - not that the news will have reached everyone who may have made use of the facility in the past. However, I have not been able to find a new NRCoT document, nor seen any re-assurance that there won't be other changes quietly slipped in - such as this omission of 13.2.   

It strikes me that it's normal for changes and official documents such as agenda items for meetings to be published at least a week ahead, and I find it extraordinary that I can't read what conditions will be applied to rail tickets I purchase from next Wednesday!

Re: Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373647/31789/4]
Posted by Trowres at 22:55, 26th March 2026
 
Thanks, Ralph Ayres and Mark A.

The wording in the original quote:
Other alterations such as changes to the route or class of travel will be subject to a suitable alternative Anytime product being available

had me a bit worried, but the "Anytime" stipulation appears only in the conditions for changing Anytime tickets (yes - the wording is subtly different for different types of ticket).

Now, in trying to answer your the original question about changes that were formerly possible on-train, I discovered a problem with the latest NRCoT.  . To ensure it remains visible, I have put my find in a separate thread:
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=31796.0

A very inconsequential chat: Nailsea & Backwell to Bath Spa, return, today
In "Introductions and chat" [373646/31797/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:55, 26th March 2026
Already liked by Ollie
 
My wife and daughter (neither of whom are particularly experienced in 'the ways of the railways') chose to travel by train for this leisure day out today.

I offered them my advice about 'through trains' and 'off-peak ticket prices' - for which they were grateful.

They apparently had a grand day out, having shopped around Bath and enjoyed lunch, then returned home happy.

Off-peak ticket price was £10.60 each.  I regard that as a bargain, compared with the costs of running a car and parking anywhere in Bath for such an occasional excursion.

CfN.

 
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