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Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369455/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:38, 13th December 2025
 
4: Melksham

Cancellations of local trains prolific due to rerouting of long distance services and low capacity/long single block section. Doubling or long dynamic loops would alleviate this problem.

8. Chandler’s Ford
Six miles of line singled in 1972, but crucially with double track sections at either end to allow a train to be held off the mainline whilst awaiting it’s turn to travel along the single line. Retained for freight and diversionary use, but an hourly passenger service reinstated in 2003. Seems to work relatively well as it is at present, so I wouldn’t have thought a high priority for re-doubling, especially with the cost of providing a second platform at Chandler’s Ford.

At very very least, a Romsey to Eastleigh setup with double sections and the ends for Melksham, please.   The Chandlers Ford section at 6 miles is far shorter than Thingley to Bradford Junction.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369454/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:34, 13th December 2025
 
1 Yetminster station.
It still shows evidence of he broad gauge with the distance between the platforms. It was first doubled in 1859 to ease congestion of the steeply inclined section to Holywell Tunnel and Evershot.

Yes, it's Yetminster.  On the single line between Yeovil Pen Mill and Maiden Newton, and (re)opening a loop at least here would allow the service to step up towards hourly.  Care to be taken where the loops go, mind - hourly could in theory be done already, expect that the irregular spacing would mean trains having to wait to pass at existing loops.

Looking at HMG's stated desire to put loads of houses around existing stations there aren't on flood plains, I offer you Chetnole City and Thornford Town.  Hourly Weymouth <-> Westbury <-> Swindon <-> Oxford <-> Bletchely <-> Bedford service.  Change at Yeovil Junction Lower Platform for Salisbury and London. Connections across the platform both ways at Westbury onto the Southampton to Portishead stopper. Change at Swindon for Cheltenham Spa and Birmingham.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369453/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:20, 13th December 2025
 
6. Sea Mills.

Darn.  I should have got that one, from my days working with the Severnside Community Rail Partnership. 

It's amazing how photography from a slightly different angle can make some of these non-trivial!

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369452/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:19, 13th December 2025
 
0:Shiplake Henley branch

I must stop trying to answer these from my phone

0: is Exmouth

Yes, it is ... you are not the only one who puzzled a bit over that one as I clipped it quite hard.   I would suggest no need for a second track / platform while trains can turn back quickly to Topsham - though if the service ups to more than two an hour, two platforms would perhaps be needed to one train can leave as the next pulls in

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369450/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:14, 13th December 2025
 
2. Bad Kleinen (east of Hamburg). Redoubling is definitely not relevant - the line is double, and the whole station has been flattened and rebuilt in the last ten years, still with all four platform tracks (which I think are all back in use).

You amaze me, staving, with your knowledge.  Spot on, and like you I see no need here for more tracks, though there would be space for two through lines in the centre.   Bit of a naughty picture to include.   For other readers - it's the only one that's that naughty!

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369449/31251/30]
Posted by TonyN at 17:09, 13th December 2025
 
0:Shiplake Henley branch

I must stop trying to answer these from my phone

0: is Exmouth

Re: 05:40 Edinburgh to Kings Cross cab ride in real time
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369448/31254/51]
Posted by Timmer at 17:04, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
An opportunity to see this service pass non stop through York. From Monday it will now stop there.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369447/28982/26]
Posted by Timmer at 17:02, 13th December 2025
 
Scarcely credible, however it's reported elsewhere that fighting broke out amongst the spotters on one of the final HST runs this morning - turfed off at Truro apparently.

One would hope that no members of this esteemed forum were involved - whoever he was, he's certainly a cheeky boy! 

https://x.com/themblades1889/status/1999819955705880721?s=20
Can only assume someone was sitting in his seat.

Seriously though, sad to see this happening on the last day of HST operations on GWR or at any time on a train.

05:40 Edinburgh to Kings Cross cab ride in real time
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369446/31254/51]
Posted by Mark A at 16:39, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Courtesy of LNER, good production values, weather in their favour: an uninterrupted view from the front of the service that calls only at Newcastle on its way up to Kings Cross.

Mark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLcZp3FhxP4

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [369443/31203/26]
Posted by grahame at 15:24, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
I was interested in a past year to see which stations had the heaviest footfall per metre of operational platform and recall that Windsor and Eton Central bubbled up to being one of the busiest.  In GWR land, I would imagine that stations such as St Bureaux Ferry Road come towards the quietest; on a couple of uses the infrequent service there competes poorly with a frequent and quite fast bus service along the nearby main road.

Some examples for the 2024/25 looking up platform lengths in the sectional appendix

1701274/113 = 15056 - Windsor and Eton - passengers per metre per annum
6510506/(195+279) = 13735 - Bath Spa  - passengers per metre per annum
655356/(185+185) = 1771 - Stroud  - passengers per metre per annum
415576/(169+173) = 1215 - Redruth - passengers per metre per annum
60930/74.5 = 818 - Melksham - passengers per metre per annum
11864/110 =108 - St Budeaux Victoria Road - passengers per metre per annum
2449/(124+126) = 10 - St Budeaux Ferry Road - passengers per metre per annum

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369442/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:22, 13th December 2025
 
Yep, deep clean required!  No ability to do that at Westbury seems a bit mad?

For want of a bucket (+ hot water, bleach and a sponge!) the train was lost!

In some circumstances there is more to it than that.   Human material can be infectious to other humans in ways that animal material is not.

I wasn't being entirely serious.

Looks like there is a bus replacement in place for at least one or two of the cancelled trips now.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369441/28982/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:15, 13th December 2025
 
Scarcely credible, however it's reported elsewhere that fighting broke out amongst the spotters on one of the final HST runs this morning - turfed off at Truro apparently.

One would hope that no members of this esteemed forum were involved - whoever he was, he's certainly a cheeky boy! 

https://x.com/themblades1889/status/1999819955705880721?s=20

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369440/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 15:13, 13th December 2025
 
Yep, deep clean required!  No ability to do that at Westbury seems a bit mad?

For want of a bucket (+ hot water, bleach and a sponge!) the train was lost!

In some circumstances there is more to it than that.   Human material can be infectious to other humans in ways that animal material is not.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369439/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:09, 13th December 2025
 
Yep, deep clean required!  No ability to do that at Westbury seems a bit mad?

For want of a bucket (+ hot water, bleach and a sponge!) the train was lost!

Re: 16th August 2025 - Buses to Imber
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369438/29807/5]
Posted by Clan Line at 14:26, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Timmer
 
Warminster Station forecourt: pm 13 Dec 2025

I've heard of buses running late - but this is ridiculous !


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369437/29726/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:58, 13th December 2025
 
Yep, deep clean required!  No ability to do that at Westbury seems a bit mad?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369436/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 12:55, 13th December 2025
 
So there's passengers taken ill, crew shortage, and now to complete the set....

We also have an "unknown cause" on the later trains.  Now up to ten out of 14 cancelled.

Public post on Great Western Enthusiasts on Facebook ... here are the comments.



My guess too that it needs a deep clean.  Must have been a sudden incident - nothing awry ad it left Melksham at 09:10

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369435/29726/18]
Posted by GBM at 12:51, 13th December 2025
 

Plotted out from JourneyCheck - ALL cancellations across the GWR area are mapped.  I have screen captured just the central area - there's also a round trip cancelled between Newquay and Par

Certainly 2 round trips to Newquay cancelled as we speak.
Possibly more to come!

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369434/31251/30]
Posted by stuving at 12:45, 13th December 2025
 
2. Bad Kleinen (east of Hamburg). Redoubling is definitely not relevant - the line is double, and the whole station has been flattened and rebuilt in the last ten years, still with all four platform tracks (which I think are all back in use).

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369433/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:35, 13th December 2025
 
So there's passengers taken ill, crew shortage, and now to complete the set....

14:19 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01
14:19 Westbury to Swindon due 15:01 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.

15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58
15:14 Swindon to Westbury due 15:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369432/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 12:28, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 



Plotted out from JourneyCheck - ALL cancellations across the GWR area are mapped.  I have screen captured just the central area - there's also a round trip cancelled between Newquay and Par

When I woke this morning and checked train times, everything was shown as running. I was down there to hand out Melksham printed bus and train timetables to anyone who wanted them

There were 18 Melksham passengers using the 08:02 this morning and a further 20 or so gathered at the station at a couple of minutes after 10, when the 10:10 slipped back to 10:12 then was shown "Cancelled" but perversely still showing "Calling at Chippenham and Swindon".   The reason for the cancellation was only communicated when we enquired via the help point.  This is the log thread - I will write up a "what should we learn" thread - although much should have been learned already - when I've sorted out a few other things.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369431/31251/30]
Posted by TonyN at 12:23, 13th December 2025
 
0:Shiplake Henley branch

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [369430/31203/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:21, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
I would hazard a guess and say Winchester would be quite high up the list too.

118th place for Winchester.

Re: Thingley Junction: how does it work?
In "TransWilts line" [369429/29439/18]
Posted by Mark A at 12:19, 13th December 2025
 
Reflecting on the responses here, I'm wondering if anyone who uses the GWML London to Bristol services can recall instances of trains to and from London seeing major delays as a result of disruption that would have been mitigated by increasing the capability of the Thingley to Bradford junctions length of line.

Perhaps the impact is managed away from the London flows and on to people travelling Bristol to Westbury, and particularly to Melksham travellers - and also to freight trains from the various quarries (unlike human cargo, aggregate is notably indifferent to the ill effects of disruption, not so the clients).

Apologies for the lengthy way of asking if the rail industry's keeping tabs on the question: "How much per annum is the current infrastructure provision Thingley - Trowbridge costing the c21st railway?"

Mark


Re: Europeran Rail Timetable
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369428/28562/49]
Posted by grahame at 12:15, 13th December 2025
 
Due to a number of technical issues affecting our production process we have made the difficult decision to delay publication of our next printed edition until the end of February. To reflect this change, the edition will be titled Spring 2026 rather than Winter 2025/26.

We know that this change to our publishing schedule will disappoint many of our loyal customers but we want you to receive a product that is accurate, up-to-date, and worth the investment you make in us.

All customers with orders for digital editions or the Winter 2025/26 edition will receive an email regarding their options early next week.

The Spring 2026 edition will be published in print format on Friday February 27, however we hope that it may be available to our direct customers earlier than this. We envisage that the digital version will be available on Friday January 23.
You can order the Spring 2026 printed edition here or the digital edition here

Ah - I wondered where it was!

This is still my printed "bible" ... and end of Feb works out OK for final planning of trips for next year.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369427/31251/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:01, 13th December 2025
 
6. Sea Mills.

Darn.  I should have got that one, from my days working with the Severnside Community Rail Partnership. 

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369426/31251/30]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:33, 13th December 2025
 
5. Barnstaple?

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369425/31246/21]
Posted by Mark A at 11:29, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer, Chris from Nailsea, johnneyw
 
Could new trains(a cheaper option?) on the London to Bristol route be run batteries between Bathampton and Oldfield Park?

If the trains have batteries for more substantial parts of their journeys, there may be potential to explore the option.  To my mind, though, having London to Bristol expresses equipped with batteries just for four or five miles doesn't feel economicaly sensible.

I quoted the comments on the original post to show just how complex the situation is, and how under informed some of the public are - no fault of their own; bright people just to experts in this complex world of railway provision and operation.  I am struck by the irony of road vehicles being required to be clean through Bath in a way that trains are not, and the comment about the smell from passing Cardiff -> Portsmouth trains. Perhaps those (and the short runs on the same line) are a case for batteries initially, rather than the London trains for which I suggest that full electrification might be the better solution.

Below-the-fold comments on the social media posts of politicians are often toxic. Stepping away from the exceptionalism that prompts people to think of the railway through Bath as though it's different from any other stretch of line, people seem to have settled into being ok with the fact that electrification of the UK's rail system has been increasingly  badly handled. In England, no rolling programme of electrication, something that lowers costs and builds/maintains skills. In the west country we've ended up saddled with the sub-optimal situation where we have expensive dual-fuel trains and electrification that doesn't extend to Oxford, Bristol or Swansea. We're building an entire new railway whose trains will run on diesel and without so much as putting in foundations for the electrification that it will need. This approach really curtails opportunities for the railway to excel in what it does. Diesel exhaust from railway trains is the smell of a legacy transport system, and it should really be fading fast by now.

How to pay for it? Day to day we already are, in terms of increased overheads, and not of the electrification variety.

Mark


 
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