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| Re: ORR station usage data In "Across the West" [368928/31203/26] Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:48, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
Yes - looking pretty good in the Bristol area too!
| Re: Traffic delays in Bristol as bus gets stuck on tight bend - December 2025 In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368927/31192/31] Posted by rogerw at 10:29, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
I think that the bus driver had attempted to turn his vehicle, realising he had gone the wrong way. Cleeve Wood Road is wide enough for a bus.
| Re: ORR station usage data In "Across the West" [368926/31203/26] Posted by lympstone_commuter at 10:21, 4th December 2025 Already liked by IndustryInsider | ![]() |
I have just used the fresh data to update the maps of station usage here: https://timjupp.github.io/stations.html
"Map 1" gives the long-term trend since 1998.
"Map 2" shows (as black dots) the stations for which 2024 - 25 was their best ever year. There are a lot of them, especially in our region.
| ORR station usage data In "Across the West" [368925/31203/26] Posted by John D at 10:17, 4th December 2025 Already liked by lympstone_commuter | ![]() |
ORR has just published station usage data, and at the end has regional busiest stations
Bristol Temple Meads 10.9m
Bath Spa 9.5m
Swindon 3.2m
Exeter Central 3.0m
Exeter St Davids 2.9m
Others not in South West top 5
London Paddington 69.9m
Reading 14.3m
Cardiff Central 12.5m
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/msigcn24/station-usage-2024-25-statistical-release.pdf
For those who like to do pre-covid comparisons, the 2018-2019 report is here
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1668/estimates-of-station-usage-2018-19-factsheet.pdf
The link to ORR data page with links to to the data spreadsheets is here (not yet looked) but could check rank of your local station or its change
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/estimates-of-station-usage
Edit : just looked up some figures from 2018-19 which shows big jump on some stations eg
Bath Spa was 6.538m
Exeter St Davids 2.619m
But others less important eg
Reading was 17.08m
Swindon was 3.75m
(perhaps few more trains need to skip these if usage down)
| Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [368924/31189/30] Posted by grahame at 09:44, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
7 Peter West OBE - named class 150 units - sorry wrong thread!
Right answer .. wrong question
. Peter's role in the DfT was one I do not envy him - I am leaving the double post here though as a "tip of the hat" in respect to a gentleman with whom we didn't / don't always see eye to eye with, but for whom, never the less, I hold a great respect.| John Ingram - chair of WWRUG, 2008-2010, RIP In "Who's who on Western railways" [368923/31202/2] Posted by grahame at 09:11, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
I was sad to learn over the weekend of the passing of John Ingram (at the age of 90), chair of the West Wiltshire Rail Users Group from around 2008 to 2010. John was a gentleman, and a good friend and supporter of public transport in the area.
From April 2009 - a typical practical but positive campaigning contribution to a press release https://www.passenger.chat/r4498.html - "First Great Western have improved many of their services that pass through Wiltshire in the last two year" say John Ingram, Chairman and Warminster Committee representative at the West Wilts Rail Users Group, "but the service linking the main Wiltshire Towns remains unfit for purpose, and dramatically worse than it was three years ago. The proposals are eminently practical and are what are needed to get the service up and running again."
Thank you to John's son Richard for letting me know; the WWRUG committee which met last night passes on it condolences to John's family and friends. Fond memories and John was a rock who will be sorely missed.
| Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence? In "The Lighter Side" [368922/31198/30] Posted by eightonedee at 09:02, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
Try again, 7 Peter West OBE, named class 150 units.
| Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [368921/31189/30] Posted by eightonedee at 08:59, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
7 Peter West OBE - named class 150 units - sorry wrong thread!
| Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence? In "The Lighter Side" [368920/31198/30] Posted by PrestburyRoad at 08:51, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
6. I guess that this this might be Southern Region headcodes
| Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence? In "The Lighter Side" [368919/31198/30] Posted by matth1j at 08:37, 4th December 2025 Already liked by grahame | ![]() |
4. CM
Objective - to attend a meeting in Trowbridge at 5 p.m. yesterday, lasting just over 2 hours. Google tells me it's 6.8 miles from my home in Melksham to the venue, and will take me 15 minutes. Except, I'm not driving if I can help it. Trowbridge has a population of 46,000 and Melksham 29,000.
How did that work by public transport
Outbound
I left home at 16:00 and walked into the Town Centre (5 minutes) for the 16:18 bus to Trowbridge. This is from one of two bus stops in Melksham that has a real time departure display and it indicated that was expected in 25 minutes (so a bit late). As it's after 09:00 in Wiltshire, I was able to use my senior bus pass; noted that very few passengers were using such cards. Due at the stop at Trowbridge at 16:48, actually pulled up there at 17:00, walked into meeting 5 minutes late. Not a problem being slightly delayed for this particular meeting - if that had been a concern I would have travelled just over half an hour earlier.
The meeting was attended by people from various West Wiltshire towns and finished at 19:15. "What train did you catch to get here" asked H. "I didn't - I came by bus". Oh "When is your next bus back" asked H. "It would be tomorrow morning - I'm going home by train".
Inbound

But the next train after 19:15 wasn't due for almost an hour, and I took myself to the Rose and Crown ... a pint of apple and blackcurrant cider, an exchange of banter with the barmaid, and a warm seat within site of the train departure display they have there while I worked on my laptop.
20:12 to Cheltenham Spa showing on time as I left at 20:00 to walk across to the station. At 20:05, train showing "On Time".
Needed a ticket. Ticket office closed. Warning signs up about this being a penalty fare station. The lowest cost single - £3.30 on a disabled rail card - required 17 button presses (OK - screen touches) with prior knowledge of where to find that fare, and choices like anytime v off peak, even though I know that the last peak train had left 12 hours ago.
Person on platform looks to use loos but finds them locked.
At around 20:07, train moves from "On Time" (20:12) to 20:13 and then each minute passing slips a minute later until it shows 20:17. ((a few minutes is no worry to me)). Then it switched to say "Delayed".
Tannoy announcement "We are sorry that the 20:12 to Cheltenham Spa via Melksham is delayed. Your next fastest train will be the 21:22 from Platform 1". Oops
Another passenger looks panicked. I ask her if she's waiting for the Cheltenham Spa train and she confirms that she is, and I re-assure her that the 20:12 (and it's now after that) will probably be along ... probably held up at Westbury awaiting the connection from London.
Screen changes from "Delayed" to 20:17 ... and at around 20:17 it pulls in. Passengers on and off. Train manager walks up outside train to nudge door - perhaps it had not fully closed, and we're off. No ticket check, no sight of train manager who stayed in rear cab. No problem, except the whole experience felt very lonely.
Arrived into Melksham. Four people waiting on platform, four more got off. I had not walked through the 3 carriage train to do a count, but past form suggests that this is the quietest train of the day, and that for each passenger using Melksham station there are two through passengers, suggestion [24/8] on our standard measurement.
No barrier checks at Melksham. One car in the short term pickup at Melksham, everyone else on foot. Six minibuses, a van and a car in the station car park, none of which showed signs of having arrived for this train and none of which left at that point. Real Time Trains shows a 2 minute stop at Melksham with the train leaving 7 minutes late at 20:29.
Walk home, arrived 20:50. The worried passenger from Trowbridge had alighted at Melksham and was walking out a couple of miles to her village.
Why document this? Because it shows some of the challenges of using public transport - some of which really should not be challenges. I know that the bus is a good way to get to Trowbridge for an evening meeting but I need to take the train back. I know the fare base and where the best value is hidden. I know to go to the loo before I leave the Rose and Crown. I know that this train is often delayed as it waits for the connection from London (and, yes, it is right to do so) and that can lead to some off-putting announcements. And I know that I'll be walking through the industrial area in Melksham watching for vehicles as I follow the path painted across the forecourt / turning point at the station.
Apart from the delay and much longer journey, the bus works well during operating hours, and was quite busy - kinda wonder where you’re going when you pass the Red Admiral, go all around a roundabout and the back past it ... and where you the turn right towards Hilperton when the road signs say left for Trowbridge. This is the cost of a local bus servicing all the communities along the way, picking up and dropping off people here and there who together make for a viable opertion.
| Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [368917/31189/30] Posted by bradshaw at 08:29, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
4 Logging railway in Alaska
Date early, 1920s or 30s perhaps
| Re: Passengers locked inside Hartlepool station In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368916/31200/51] Posted by grahame at 08:26, 4th December 2025 Already liked by Timmer, Witham Bobby | ![]() |
Pretty poor.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25670532.northern-apologises-passengers-locked-hartlepool-station/
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25670532.northern-apologises-passengers-locked-hartlepool-station/
"Horror" story of security company locking the station before the late running last train had arrived.
Operator Northern has apologised and said the error was due to a security guard from a third-party contractor who locked up without checking the last train had arrived.
Claire told The Northern Echo: “We walked to the door and it didn’t open.
“Me and another passenger ran back to tell the driver and conductor that we’d been locked in, because the main ticket stations at Hartlepool closes early in the evening and the last door is locked after the final train.
She added: “They were amazing and stayed for the full 40 minutes.”
Claire also explained that it was “well-documented” the train was running late.
Claire told The Northern Echo: “We walked to the door and it didn’t open.
“Me and another passenger ran back to tell the driver and conductor that we’d been locked in, because the main ticket stations at Hartlepool closes early in the evening and the last door is locked after the final train.
She added: “They were amazing and stayed for the full 40 minutes.”
Claire also explained that it was “well-documented” the train was running late.
I ... highlight ... the quality of care from the train crew. Northern should be proud of them, having said which I find 90% of the time that railway professionals do take that extra care of customers in extraordinary circumstances. Heartening.
| Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence? In "The Lighter Side" [368915/31198/30] Posted by bradshaw at 08:25, 4th December 2025 Already liked by grahame | ![]() |
2 D804 Avenger
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368914/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:48, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
Thursday December 4
05:23 Hereford to London Paddington due 08:24 will no longer call at Honeybourne.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:04/12/2025 06:03
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:04/12/2025 06:03
| Passengers locked inside Hartlepool station In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368913/31200/51] Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:36, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
Pretty poor.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25670532.northern-apologises-passengers-locked-hartlepool-station/
| Re: Coffeeshop Map 4-12-25 In "The Lighter Side" [368912/31199/30] Posted by grahame at 07:23, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
The map's drawn a strange glyph over Cornwall. Perhaps it's a portent of some significant event.
Mark

Mark

Alterations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to heavy rain flooding the railway between Liskeard and Looe the line is disrupted.
Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Due to heavy rain flooding the railway between Liskeard and Looe the line is disrupted.
Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
06:55 Liskeard to Looe due 07:25
07:33 Looe to Liskeard due 08:02
08:16 Liskeard to Looe due 08:49
09:02 Looe to Liskeard due 09:34
09:37 Liskeard to Looe due 10:07
10:09 Looe to Liskeard due 10:38
10:48 Liskeard to Looe due 11:16
11:18 Looe to Liskeard due 11:43
11:54 Liskeard to Looe due 12:24
12:26 Looe to Liskeard due 12:55
12:57 Liskeard to Looe due 13:27
13:29 Looe to Liskeard due 13:55
13:58 Liskeard to Looe due 14:31
14:34 Looe to Liskeard due 15:06
15:15 Liskeard to Looe due 15:43
15:45 Looe to Liskeard due 16:13
16:18 Liskeard to Looe due 16:48
16:50 Looe to Liskeard due 17:15
17:19 Liskeard to Looe due 17:47
17:49 Looe to Liskeard due 18:18
18:24 Liskeard to Looe due 18:54
19:02 Looe to Liskeard due 19:31
20:05 Liskeard to Looe due 20:35
20:42 Looe to Liskeard due 21:11
21:16 Liskeard to Looe due 21:46
21:55 Looe to Liskeard due 22:24
04/12/25 21:55 Looe to Liskeard due 22:24 will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding.
07:33 Looe to Liskeard due 08:02
08:16 Liskeard to Looe due 08:49
09:02 Looe to Liskeard due 09:34
09:37 Liskeard to Looe due 10:07
10:09 Looe to Liskeard due 10:38
10:48 Liskeard to Looe due 11:16
11:18 Looe to Liskeard due 11:43
11:54 Liskeard to Looe due 12:24
12:26 Looe to Liskeard due 12:55
12:57 Liskeard to Looe due 13:27
13:29 Looe to Liskeard due 13:55
13:58 Liskeard to Looe due 14:31
14:34 Looe to Liskeard due 15:06
15:15 Liskeard to Looe due 15:43
15:45 Looe to Liskeard due 16:13
16:18 Liskeard to Looe due 16:48
16:50 Looe to Liskeard due 17:15
17:19 Liskeard to Looe due 17:47
17:49 Looe to Liskeard due 18:18
18:24 Liskeard to Looe due 18:54
19:02 Looe to Liskeard due 19:31
20:05 Liskeard to Looe due 20:35
20:42 Looe to Liskeard due 21:11
21:16 Liskeard to Looe due 21:46
21:55 Looe to Liskeard due 22:24
04/12/25 21:55 Looe to Liskeard due 22:24 will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding.
| Coffeeshop Map 4-12-25 In "The Lighter Side" [368911/31199/30] Posted by Mark A at 07:09, 4th December 2025 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
The map's drawn a strange glyph over Cornwall. Perhaps it's a portent of some significant event.
Mark

| Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence? In "The Lighter Side" [368910/31198/30] Posted by Timmer at 07:03, 4th December 2025 Already liked by grahame | ![]() |
3. Sir Robert Reid
| AQ - Which is next in the sequence? In "The Lighter Side" [368909/31198/30] Posted by grahame at 06:44, 4th December 2025 | ![]() |
Here are sequences of four - what would come fifth?
1.
'Most bashed' rail bridge hit three times in a week - Ely, Cambridgeshire
Helen Whatley and Wera Hobhouse - transport spokesmen for Cons and Lib Dems
Red Funnel ferries, Isle of Wight - merged posts, ongoing developments
The final batch of trains from York works - two different futures
2.
Sir Brian Robertson
Vanguard
Formidable
Albion
3.
Sir Stanley Raymond
Sir Henry Johnson
Sir Richard Marsh
Sir Peter Parker
4.
PN
RG
DY
SN
5.
Covingham and Nythe
Eldene and Linden
Great Western Hospital and Badbury Park
Middle Witchel or Great Western Hospital
6.
Cannon Street - Blackfriars or Holborn Viaduct via Metropolitan Junc
Charing Cross - Hastings via Orpington and Battle
Cannon Street - Hastings via Orpington and Battle
Charing Cross - Gravesend or Maidstone West via Sidcup
7.
George Borrow
The Tamar Kingfisher
King Edmund
The Coastal Connection
| Re: Naming - appropriate? In "The Lighter Side" [368908/31195/30] Posted by Merthyr Imp at 22:25, 3rd December 2025 Already liked by Mark A, GBM, eightonedee | ![]() |
From The National
Imagine the express trains for Paddington to the South West being named after rivers in East Anglia.
Imagine the express trains for Paddington to the South West being named after rivers in East Anglia.
Well, the Great Western did name several of its engines after halls situated in Norfolk...
| Re: MP bemused by lack of Ely North rail junction upgrade In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368907/31186/51] Posted by Trowres at 21:49, 3rd December 2025 Already liked by GBM, Witham Bobby | ![]() |
Gobsmacked that the cost of the project has risen from £25M to £500M - twentyfold - whilst the politicos have been faffing around without getting started.
I suspect that the £25m might refer to an earlier scheme limited to Ely North Junction, while the £500m scheme includes a lot more that was added to the scope when somebody found that North Junction on its own wasn't sufficient to meet the objectives. There seems to be a lot of level crossing work required, a new bridge and even new sections of road (if I scanned the text correctly).
I'm not sure when the Ely North Junction scheme was first proposed, but its implementation was postponed by the Hendy Review (November 2015) to sometime in 2019-2024 "to allow co-ordination with safety-critical level crossing works nearby".
New Civil Engineer provides some history on the scheme after that postponement:-
In 2018, a £9.3M funding package was provided to Network Rail by the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority, New Anglia Local Enterprise Partnership and the Strategic Freight Network. This enabled Network Rail to understand the requirements for increasing capacity through Ely and draw up a strategic outline outline business case (SOBC).
The SOBC then prompted a £13.1M funding agreement from the Department for Transport in autumn 2020 to develop design options and hold public consultations. These would inform the outline business case (OBC).
The SOBC then prompted a £13.1M funding agreement from the Department for Transport in autumn 2020 to develop design options and hold public consultations. These would inform the outline business case (OBC).
HOW MUCH?

In the long and dreary way of planning infrastructure, an SOBC is an early stage, in which a problem is identified, possible solutions suggested and a rough idea obtained of how the costs and benefits weigh-up. It isn't meant to be super accurate, just good enough to see if its worth developing a scheme in more detail. "Cheap and cheerful" methods of estimating demand (for example) are allowed.
To give some idea of context, local authorities and other groups promoting Restoring Your Railway schemes typically had to make do with funding around £75,000. That could get you sufficient professional consultancy time to provide an SOBC to the required standard.
The wider scheme is a lot more complex than a single new station, but even so, how on earth did it cost over 120 times more to produce an SOBC?
I'm not sure if £13.1m for the next stage (OBC) represents better value-for-money. The detailed reports (SOBC and OBC) don't seem to be online. However an FoI request (not by me!) has provided a remarkably short document claiming to be the OBC (any of you remember being told off by teachers for failing to show your working leading up to an answer?). It's available at:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/eace_ely_area_capacity_enhanceme/response/3035382/attach/html/5/FOI202500537%20EACE%20OBC%20Executive%20Summaries.pdf.html
WHERE RAIL SCHEMES GO TO DIE?
The New Civil Engineer continues the story:
The OBC was submitted to the DfT in March 2022, seeking funding to advance the programme.
The situation has since gone stale. The Combined Authority convened a summit in summer 2023 to revive the plans.
A few months later it was included in the haphazardly concocted Network North document put together by the Sunak government after the cancellation of HS2 north, though it did not set out any way to fund the scheme and no material advancement on the plans was made.
Suffolk Chamber of Commerce sought to garner support for the scheme for the 2024 spring Budget. There was no response.
The situation has since gone stale. The Combined Authority convened a summit in summer 2023 to revive the plans.
A few months later it was included in the haphazardly concocted Network North document put together by the Sunak government after the cancellation of HS2 north, though it did not set out any way to fund the scheme and no material advancement on the plans was made.
Suffolk Chamber of Commerce sought to garner support for the scheme for the 2024 spring Budget. There was no response.
A little more detail can be gleaned from a letter of 12th September 2022 from several MPs and others to government ministers of that time. I will quote only the relevant parts:
[The Ely and Haughley Junction schemes] have been identified as priorities within the Rail
Network Enhancements Pipeline, however, as yet have not received committed funding and have
been subject to considerable delay.
...
Wendy Morton MP, then Minister for Transport, included
welcome recognition of the “the benefit of the Ely programme and its strong alignment to the
Government’s priorities” and that “the programme continues to demonstrate sound
decarbonisation and connectivity benefits.”
But the same correspondence indicated the Department for Transport were considering cancelling
or indefinitely pausing some schemes within RNEP and instead would be exploring “opportunities to
realise at least some of the desired outcomes, either through wider operational changes to the
network or through smaller, targeted investment enabled by future funding settlements”.
Network Enhancements Pipeline, however, as yet have not received committed funding and have
been subject to considerable delay.
...
Wendy Morton MP, then Minister for Transport, included
welcome recognition of the “the benefit of the Ely programme and its strong alignment to the
Government’s priorities” and that “the programme continues to demonstrate sound
decarbonisation and connectivity benefits.”
But the same correspondence indicated the Department for Transport were considering cancelling
or indefinitely pausing some schemes within RNEP and instead would be exploring “opportunities to
realise at least some of the desired outcomes, either through wider operational changes to the
network or through smaller, targeted investment enabled by future funding settlements”.
This would be the RNEP that was introduced to replace the fixed 5-year enhancement plans of NR, and for which there was supposed to be an annual update plan, which has never appeared.
Of course, most of that history covered the previous, Conservative, government. Nice to see in the BBC article of 2nd December 2025 that the DfT said:
it recognised the scheme's importance and fully anticipated Ely North "will be part of a pipeline of projects to be considered as part of future funding decisions".
They added: "There is a strong case for Ely Junction, and we are committed to working with a broad range of stakeholders to support its inclusion in the future pipeline."
They added: "There is a strong case for Ely Junction, and we are committed to working with a broad range of stakeholders to support its inclusion in the future pipeline."

So, schemes can be delayed for years and things cost too much, before even the oft-blamed bats and council planners get a look-in.
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In case anyone wishes to follow up, the links are:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgr9rg5r42o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-51659351
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/dft-says-ely-junction-upgrade-to-be-considered-for-future-pipeline-as-local-mps-continue-push-31-07-2025/
https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/20707553.threat-cancel-indefinitely-pause-450m-ely-rail-upgrade/
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23833666.government-confirms-ely-junction-rail-revamp-go-ahead/
https://www.elyeastcambsconservatives.org.uk/news/lucy-frazer-presses-action-ely-north-junction
https://www.flua.org.uk/fenman_pdf/The%20Fenman%202016%20No%201.pdf
https://www.georgefreeman.co.uk/sites/georgefreeman.co.uk/files/2022-09/final-signed-letter-re-ely-and-haughley-junctions-ee-appg.pdf
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/eace_ely_area_capacity_enhanceme/response/3035382/attach/html/5/FOI202500537%20EACE%20OBC%20Executive%20Summaries.pdf.html
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/hendy-report.pdf
| Re: Cars getting bigger - is this a concern? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [368906/31190/5] Posted by broadgage at 21:26, 3rd December 2025 Already liked by Marlburian | ![]() |
Yes the growing size of cars is a concern INHO. I consider that road tax should be based on dimensions or weight.
A substantial increase in fuel duty would also help.
| Re: Cars getting bigger - is this a concern? In "Buses and other ways to travel" [368905/31190/5] Posted by Surrey 455 at 21:11, 3rd December 2025 Already liked by Western Pathfinder, GBM | ![]() |
We had a 1960 Mini in which we went on a holiday to Scotland, four of us and luggage. I still am not sure how we fitted in!
I'm not sure that the newer Mini's should be described as mini!
| Re: South Western Railway train farewell tour sold out in just 15 seconds - Dec 2025 In "South Western services" [368904/31197/42] Posted by Surrey 455 at 21:08, 3rd December 2025 | ![]() |
I'm still using them on my morning commute. The evening return is either a 450 (horrible train - Cramped 3x2 seating) or the new 701. What's good about the old 455s is that the seat width is slightly wider than the 701 and much wider than the 450. No toilets in the 455, 4 in an 8 carriage 450 and 2 in a 10 carriage 701. In Summer 2026 I will welcome the AC on the newer trains.
| Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [368903/31189/30] Posted by Ralph Ayres at 20:57, 3rd December 2025 | ![]() |
8 is Sudbury & Harrow Road. Date-wise, clues are that it's after the houses in the background had their leak-prone flat roofs replaced by pitched ones, but before the rotten wooden platforms were replaced by a central island where the through lines used to be, and I've also spotted the lamp-posts are not yet NSE red. Some time late 1970s or early 80s, when I passed through on a daily basis? Is the number of people waiting on the Down platform an indication of a rare event such as a steam special, or one of those bargain NSE "Network Days"? Most of the low usage was and still is to/from Marylebone though I was an occasional exception back then making convoluted journeys between Acton and Denham. That would also explain the presence of the photographer on what looks to be a fairly bleak day.
| Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [368902/31189/30] Posted by bradshaw at 20:23, 3rd December 2025 Already liked by Western Pathfinder | ![]() |
1 Crianlarich Lower station date 1980s
| Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025 In "The Lighter Side" [368900/31189/30] Posted by grahame at 19:36, 3rd December 2025 | ![]() |
Correct so far
2 - Masbury - Masbury, WSW Frome
3 - Melrose - Oxonhutch, mid '70s
5 - St Lawrence, Ramsgate
6 - Denton - Chris from Nailsea - quite recent
9 - Melksham - stuving
10 - Hunstanton - Andy E, circa 1967
Guesses for 1 and 4 are incorrect ... sorry
There's a more technical article about it here from Born to Engineer:
The Lower Thames Crossing will consist of a 14.5-mile (23km) road linking the A2 and M2 in Kent with the A13 and M25 in Thurrock, Essex. The project’s centrepiece is a twin-bore tunnel under the River Thames between Gravesend in Kent and Tilbury in Essex.
At 2.6 miles (4.2km) long, these tunnels will become the longest road tunnels in the UK. Each tunnel will carry three lanes of traffic in one direction with a 70mph speed limit. Approximately 80% of the route will run through tunnels, cuttings, or embankments to minimize visual impact on the surrounding landscape.
The tunnels will be 16.4 meters (54 feet) in diameter, making them the longest among the country’s most extensive road tunnels. The significant diameter is required to accommodate three full traffic lanes in each direction while maintaining safety standards for modern highway design.
National Highways, which will oversee the project, plans to begin construction in 2026, with completion targeted for 2032. The project has been divided into three main construction packages:
Roads North of the Thames: Balfour Beatty secured this £1.2 billion contract in January 2023 to construct 10 miles (16km) of highways connecting the M25 at Junction 29 and the A13 with the northern tunnel entrance.
Kent Roads: In July 2023, Skanska was awarded this £450 million contract to build 3.7 miles (6.0km) of roads connecting the A2/M2 to the southern tunnel entrance.
Tunnels and Approaches: In December 2023, a joint venture between Bouygues and J. Murphy & Sons won this £1.3 billion contract. To save engineering costs, the consortium plans to use a single tunnel boring machine for both tunnel bores, turning it around and reusing it after completing the first tunnel.
At 2.6 miles (4.2km) long, these tunnels will become the longest road tunnels in the UK. Each tunnel will carry three lanes of traffic in one direction with a 70mph speed limit. Approximately 80% of the route will run through tunnels, cuttings, or embankments to minimize visual impact on the surrounding landscape.
The tunnels will be 16.4 meters (54 feet) in diameter, making them the longest among the country’s most extensive road tunnels. The significant diameter is required to accommodate three full traffic lanes in each direction while maintaining safety standards for modern highway design.
National Highways, which will oversee the project, plans to begin construction in 2026, with completion targeted for 2032. The project has been divided into three main construction packages:
Roads North of the Thames: Balfour Beatty secured this £1.2 billion contract in January 2023 to construct 10 miles (16km) of highways connecting the M25 at Junction 29 and the A13 with the northern tunnel entrance.
Kent Roads: In July 2023, Skanska was awarded this £450 million contract to build 3.7 miles (6.0km) of roads connecting the A2/M2 to the southern tunnel entrance.
Tunnels and Approaches: In December 2023, a joint venture between Bouygues and J. Murphy & Sons won this £1.3 billion contract. To save engineering costs, the consortium plans to use a single tunnel boring machine for both tunnel bores, turning it around and reusing it after completing the first tunnel.
It says there that "the consortium plans to use a single tunnel boring machine for both tunnel bores, turning it around and reusing it", and there is more about that later on. I suspect that the final choice of reset method (that one, or take its head off and reverse out) will be for the makers to offer in their tender.














