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Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2025
In "Across the West" [368148/30953/26]
Posted by bobm at 14:53, 14th November 2025
 
Over an inch of rain here since midnight - prior to today we had only had 14 inches all year!


Re: Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368147/31094/46]
Posted by ellendune at 13:29, 14th November 2025
Already liked by PhilWakely, PrestburyRoad, Mark A, grahame
 
I put I don't know, not because I don't but because my answer does not fit any of the above.

I have no problem with Overground Underground names or even TfL Rail.  They are marketing labels that make no difference. 

I don't care whether Overground or TfL services are run by GBR or TfL so long as they work.

I don't have a problem with the legacy of Network South East but I do have a problem with the pricing outside its area as they is why anytime fares are so high outside Network South East because they were never controlled fares. However extending it won't solve the legacy problems. It needs fares reform. 

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2025
In "Across the West" [368146/30953/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:26, 14th November 2025
 
It isn't - just cutting services short in order to stand a better chance of running to time

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368145/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:16, 14th November 2025
 
09:52 London Paddington to Hereford due 12:46 was started from Reading and will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at London Paddington, Worcester Foregate Street, Malvern Link, Great Malvern, Colwall, Ledbury and Hereford.
It has been delayed between Oxford and Moreton-In-Marsh and is now 14 minutes late.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:14/11/2025 11:51

This service had already been amended to run from Paddington to only Great Malvern.  Now it's somewhat more truncated

The return working:

13:18 Hereford to London Paddington due 16:24 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
It will no longer call at Hereford, Ledbury, Colwall, Great Malvern, Malvern Link and Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:14/11/2025 11:51

EDIT: to add the return working

Re: Devon bus facilities to get £1.4m in improvements
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368144/31092/24]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 12:13, 14th November 2025
 
Certainly in Exeter things are getting better albeit very slowly. Our local service, a circular route through the city centre via mainly significant residential areas, was fairly recently increased from 4 (2 in each direction) to 6 (3 obviously) on weekdays between 07:00 and 18:00.

And on my return journey last night - BSO concert at the University - both buses were equipped with audio/visual PIS' displaying service id and next stop information.

Stagecoach are unfortunately still having problems recruiting sufficient drivers to enable the delivery of 100% of services.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2025
In "Across the West" [368143/30953/26]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:12, 14th November 2025
 
So basically just like any other November day in the past

We used to call it "weather".  "Weather" would arrive without doom-laden advance announcements

Here in Worcestershire, the railway service between Longbridge and Redditch has been replaced today by a bus service, because of the weather.  I can't see why a bus service would be any less prone to incident than would a railway service

Re: Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368142/31094/46]
Posted by Electric train at 11:52, 14th November 2025
 
My thoughts on the direction of travel (pun intended  ) of the current Government with the devolution to an elected Mayor structure of local Government is to hand over the "Metro" type of services to the Mayors / local authorities.

I think you are mistaken in that the DfT, having transferred the services to GBR, will then move them again to the elected mayors.

Yes, the mayors will have overall control of what services are offered in their Metro areas, but I think that'll remain through 'requests' to GBR.

There are sections of DfT and ORR who are being moved into GBR, the devolution of local / metro services is a distinct possibility

Re: Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368141/31094/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:38, 14th November 2025
 
My thoughts on the direction of travel (pun intended  ) of the current Government with the devolution to an elected Mayor structure of local Government is to hand over the "Metro" type of services to the Mayors / local authorities.

I think you are mistaken in that the DfT, having transferred the services to GBR, will then move them again to the elected mayors.

Yes, the mayors will have overall control of what services are offered in their Metro areas, but I think that'll remain through 'requests' to GBR.

Re: Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368140/31094/46]
Posted by TonyN at 11:36, 14th November 2025
 
Hereford (via Evesham)

Only to Worcester Forgate Street (via Evesham) These days.

Re: Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368139/31094/46]
Posted by Electric train at 11:33, 14th November 2025
 
My thoughts on the direction of travel (pun intended  ) of the current Government with the devolution to an elected Mayor structure of local Government is to hand over the "Metro" type of services to the Mayors / local authorities.

So I can see for instance in London the remaining, mainly the Southern Region (SE Trains, Southern, SWT) Metro services being transferred to TfL, leaving the more regional and intercity with GBR.  The National infrastructure will I feel remain with GBR (former Network Rail)

Whether the all changes will take place this side of the next 2029 General Election is the question, certainly some will where the ToC is part of GBR

Re: Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368138/31094/46]
Posted by Mark A at 11:02, 14th November 2025
 
In 2025, Network Southeast is a magnificent quirk, yes. That said, a permanent debt of gratitude to Chris Green for what he did there, but as to its quirkiness, it reminds me of the arrangements for fares out in... is it the direction of Amersham, where, is there a faint fingerprint of commercial arrangements between the Metropolitan Railway and the long-vanished Great Central?

Mark

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2025
In "Across the West" [368137/30953/26]
Posted by Phantom at 10:58, 14th November 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
So basically just like any other November day in the past

Expansion of Transport for London and London Travel Areas
In "Transport for London" [368136/31094/46]
Posted by grahame at 10:46, 14th November 2025
 
On Saturday, I'm planning to go to London for an indoor location. It's part of my "every Saturday out" plan and I'll be starting from Melksham some 100 miles away.  "Travel for London" but should it be "Transport for London" (TfL) all the way?

The Underground (*) has expanded out of tunnels beneath the cities of London and Westminster into the suburbs, and 55% of it isn't actually underground.  Total around 250 miles.

That has expanded into the Overground - six lines with recent names that I'm getting used to https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/culture-and-heritage/londons-transport-a-history/london-overground of a further 100 miles, with some sections distinctly underground or - between Shadwell and Wapping for example - actually under the River Thames in Brunel (Snr)s original tunnel.

Transport for London Rail runs a further 65 miles or so, from Reading and Heathrow to the west of London, underground through the centre, and out to Shenfield and to Woolwich, sharing infrastructure in the outer area with the national network (Network Rail) but exclusive in the inner tunnels.  It's now known as the Elizabeth Line

Network South East runs all the way out from London to the Kent and Essex coasts ... and up country and out west as far as Weymouth, Exeter (but only via Honiton) and Hereford (via Evesham) but NOT West of Didcot or Bedwyn - not an operational entity any longer, except that fares, railcards, etc have different rules in that area.

(*) - the Underground is sometimes referred to as "the tube" though this term really should cover only the deep level narrow bore lines.   The District, Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith and City lines are built to a larger gauge, typically constructed using and a cut and cover technique, and are much nearer the surface - they are not tubes.

* Should "Network South East" extend out further / have a regularised shape to places that are - say - less than a 100 minute journey from London (3 days a week communising range)?  

* Should Transport for London Rail extend to cover more services - there is a very useful piece ((here)) from RailFuture which looks at TfL's desire to take over Great Northern services from Moorgate, and in some ways it's a curiosity that Thameslink isn't a part of the TfL brand.  

* Should lines such as West Ealing to Greenford be included into the Overground?


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368135/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 10:07, 14th November 2025
 
Friday November 14

07:13 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 09:42 will be terminated at Reading.
It has been delayed between Great Malvern and Charlbury and is now 38 minutes late.
This is due to a speed restriction over defective track.
Last Updated:14/11/2025 09:12

Re: Campaign for Tavistock reopening
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [368133/804/28]
Posted by Noggin at 09:15, 14th November 2025
 
The Devon Live article above seems slightly at odds with DCC's website, which states:

In Autumn 2022, DCC submitted a Strategic Outline Business Case (SOBC) for restoring Tavistock-Plymouth rail services. The selected scheme would deliver a new station at Tavistock, and reinstate approximately 5 miles of track.

[...]

Through the SOBC, DCC is seeking £3 million to further develop the scheme. This would enable DCC to develop the business case, progress the detailed design, and complete the Development Consent Order process. Following this, a final decision would be needed to proceed to constructing the scheme.
Source: Devon County Council

So is it £1.5 million, or £3 million?

Followers of the Portishead saga may find reference to the DCO process rather triggering! Is this massively cumbersome process really appropriate to a scheme such as this? Is this really a Nationally Significant Infrastructure Project? Reopening the whole route might qualify for this, but surely not a short local railway?

AIUI they have £2m of s106 money in the bank but need another £1.5m to do the feasibility work. So before spending it, they need to be reasonably certain that a package of funding for the extension could be assembled.

As for the DCO process, it seems to me that no end of money has been spent on initiatives to make local rail reopenings cheaper including light rail, minimal signalling etc. I suspect that as with electrification, the solution is probably Treasury commitment to a long-term rolling programme of reopenings, including with in-house NR teams doing work rather than consultants who inevitably have to pad their estimates to cover contingencies and lean times.

Re: Two replacements proposed for Southampton's Northam Rail Bridge
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368132/31093/51]
Posted by Noggin at 08:50, 14th November 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, Mark A
 
But will it be built with enough clearance for proper electrification? 

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368131/24934/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:31, 14th November 2025
 
05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:54
Facilities on the 05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:54.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. There are no reservations on this service.

5 all the way to Paddington (again).

..........and this'll be cosy too, especially as it's Friday.

18:36 London Paddington to Plymouth due 22:10
Facilities on the 18:36 London Paddington to Plymouth due 22:10.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. There are no reservations on this service.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368130/24934/26]
Posted by GBM at 08:22, 14th November 2025
 
05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:54
Facilities on the 05:03 Penzance to London Paddington due 09:54.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10. There are no reservations on this service.

5 all the way to Paddington (again).

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [368129/29650/26]
Posted by GBM at 08:16, 14th November 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 14/11.
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
Following a points failure between London Paddington and Reading all lines have now reopened.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 14/11.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [368128/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:55, 14th November 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 14/11.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [368126/24934/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 07:49, 14th November 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Witham Bobby, Andy E
 
And the time of year with drivers driving defensively…though the IET fleet is easily the best at dealing with slippery conditions of the types of train I have driven over the years.

Re: Two replacements proposed for Southampton's Northam Rail Bridge
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368125/31093/51]
Posted by John D at 07:43, 14th November 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
Has a bit of an interesting history, there were originally a series of level crossings in the area.

In the late 1890s the LSWR in conjunction with Southampton Council worked on number of improvement schemes that would allow full quadrupling from Southampton to north of Eastleigh.

Central bridge was opened halfway between 2 level crossings (and tram line extended over it to old Itchin floating bridge) and the crossings shut.  To the north Wide lane (near what is now Southampton Airport Parkway station) also gained a new 4 track overbridge replacing the level crossing.

Swaything station got new buildings that were set back on assumption both existing platforms would become islands with new platform faces at the back.

The third new rail bridge (Northam) was opened around 1908 (can't quickly find exactly when).  This is the one they want to replace.

The 4th bridge at Mount Pleasant didn't happen as First World War stopped the widening work (and LSWR had prioritised six tracking from Clapham Cutting to New Malden, of which quite a lot got of trackbed and bigger bridges got built until work ground to a halt around 1916 due to the war).   I think Mount Pleasant is the only level crossing remaining on London and Southampton Railway.

The curve under the Northam bridge used to be restricted to 15mph, it was eased to 25mph about 40 years ago after closure of the electrified southern curve. It remains to be seen if new bridges allow a further line speed increase (even if it just a couple of hundred metres transition at 35-40mph).

I assume DfT request for funding is that it carries an A road (A3024) and will allow it to almost become dual carriageway throughout.  There is a short section about quarter of of a mile east of Northam rail bridge which is 4 rather narrow lanes single carriageway.

Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell"
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368124/31055/24]
Posted by grahame at 07:32, 14th November 2025
 
Could express coach/s be supplied at Tiverton Parkway,with a non stop service to Barnstaple?

Most passengers from Barnstaple have a destination in the Exeter area and would need an onward train connection from Tiverton Parkway into the city.  The flow metrics are very different to those that happen when the sea wall at Dawlish is out.



Re: Two replacements proposed for Southampton's Northam Rail Bridge
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368123/31093/51]
Posted by Timmer at 07:23, 14th November 2025
 
That’s going to require a major line closure when it comes to new bridge being installed possibly over a Christmas/New Year holiday period.

Two replacements proposed for Southampton's Northam Rail Bridge
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368121/31093/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 06:29, 14th November 2025
 
From the BBC:


Southampton City Council wants to replace the single-lane Northam Rail Bridge

A city council has proposed building two new replacements for a 117-year-old road bridge in Southampton.

The authority wants to remove the single-lane Northam Rail Bridge, which currently carries the A3024 and is nearing the end of its operational life. It said the £100m project would resolve ongoing maintenance challenges and improve connections in the city.

Christie Lambert, deputy council leader and member responsible for transport, called on the public to share their views.

The plan would see three years of construction, with hopes for completion by winter 2030.

The bridge is a key route in and out of the east side of the city centre, but creates a bottleneck at peak times, with two lanes of traffic in each direction merging to go over the railway line.

The council has proposed a new bridge be built to the north of the current one, while the existing road remains in use. Traffic would then switch to the new bridge to allow the ageing structure to be removed and replaced. Once both new bridges are installed, the northern one could carry two lanes of eastbound traffic, while the southern one could include two lanes of westbound traffic and a dedicated bus lane. The plans include segregated paths for pedestrians and cyclists, alongside improvements to the Brinton's Road and Britannia Road junctions.

Ms Lambert said: "This project will not only address long-standing maintenance issues but also create new opportunities for growth and development. We are committed to working closely with the community to make this vision a reality and urge everyone to get involved, share their views, and help us secure government support."


The plan would see three years of construction, with hopes for completion by winter 2030

The plan aims to ensure vehicles can continue to travel on the route throughout construction.

The local authority has launched an online survey for views to be shared and to strengthen the case for funding. A series of engagement events have been organised this month to see details about the project, ask questions and provide feedback.

The council is looking to submit its outline business case for funding to the Department for Transport (DfT) in spring 2026, with a planning application to and any refinements to the business case to follow. A decision from DfT ministers would be expected in 2027.


Re: BTP Officer convicted of assault
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368120/30896/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 06:10, 14th November 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Police officer sentenced over teen headlock

A police officer who put a 15-year-old girl in a headlock while arresting her for pushing through a ticket barrier has been given a community order.

PC Adrian Young was convicted of assault by beating last month following a trial at Westminster Magistrates' Court. The 48-year-old, of Spalding, Lincolnshire, has been sentenced to a 12-month community order, including a rehabilitation activity requirement of 10 days, and 150 hours' unpaid work.

British Transport Police (BTP) described Young's actions as "appalling", adding that he had demonstrated "a completely unnecessary and unacceptable use of force against a child". He remains suspended from duty.

BTP officers responded to a request for assistance from railway staff on 22 September 2024 after the girl pushed her way through ticket barriers at Camden Road Overground station.

CCTV footage played to the court showed Young restraining the girl by placing her in a headlock. She remained in the headlock for about 30 seconds before the constable pushed her back through the ticket barrier and placed his hand around her throat while pushing her up against a ticket machine.

Young, who has served in the police for more than 19 years, handcuffed and arrested the child. She was later de-arrested at the scene.

District Judge Nina Tempia said the incident would have caused the girl "psychological distress".

Prosecutor Barto De Lotbiniere told the court: "There's clear evidence to say this is a victim who was vulnerable due to her age and also the circumstances of the time."

Defending Young, Kevin Baumber said the officer had used "excessive force in a lawful detention" and there was "no choking and no strangulation". Mr Baumber added: "The mistakes Mr Young made were all in flow of an active incident that was made more difficult by an act of physical resistance by the complainant. In a situation where there was grounds for lawful detention, there was also active verbal and physical interference by her friend that made the job the defendant was trying to do more difficult."

BTP Assistant Chief Constable Sean O'Callaghan said: "I'd like to be absolutely clear that the actions of PC Young during this incident were appalling, demonstrating a completely unnecessary and unacceptable use of force against a child. Police officers are rightly expected to maintain control of any situation and by not doing so, PC Young has undermined public confidence in BTP and the high standards we hold our officers to every day. We thank the IOPC for their investigation and will be looking to progress with internal disciplinary proceedings as soon as possible."


Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell"
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368119/31055/24]
Posted by infoman at 02:08, 14th November 2025
 
Could express coach/s be supplied at Tiverton Parkway,with a non stop service to Barnstaple?

 
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