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| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368096/29711/14] Posted by Witham Bobby at 17:26, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
The forecast severe weather for tomorrow, Friday 14th November, has got the GWR Hereford services cut back to Great Malvern
For example
14/11/25 09:52 London Paddington to Hereford due 12:46 will be terminated at Great Malvern.
It will no longer call at Colwall, Ledbury and Hereford.
This is due to severe weather.
Last Updated:13/11/2025 15:26
It will no longer call at Colwall, Ledbury and Hereford.
This is due to severe weather.
Last Updated:13/11/2025 15:26
| Re: Minehead Rail Link Group In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [368095/17237/28] Posted by autotank at 16:52, 13th November 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby | ![]() |
Not sure it's been mentioned here, but GWR are running a shuttle service from Taunton to Bishops Lydeard on Tuesday 25th and Friday 28th November in connection with the Rail 200 'Inspiration' exhibition train. Travel is free, but you need a pre-booked ticket for the exhibition train at Bishops Lydeard (which is also free!). Get yours here -->> https://www.west-somerset-railway.co.uk/events/view/inspiration-railway-2002-travelling-exhibition-train-visit-to-west-somerset-railway
| Re: "First Class" on a 166 In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [368094/31087/20] Posted by WSW Frome at 15:55, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Many of the end sections of 165/166 stock still contain the former first class sections as used in the Thames Valley. They have undergone very little modification apart from re-trimming and removal of the reading lights! A few still display first class signs.
On BRI - WEY direct services there are no first class fares anyway and probably not on GWR PMH-CDF services. More people are recognising the extra comfort available but always worth a try to bag such a better seat.
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368093/31055/24] Posted by grahame at 15:32, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Due to heavy rain flooding the railway between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple the line is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 02:00 17/11.
Due to heavy rain flooding the railway between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple the line is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 02:00 17/11.
Now until next Monday
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368092/29711/14] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:30, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Maybe this conversation should be moved to the Problems with IET Trains thread https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=24934.0
Fair point, ray951.
I have therefore split off a couple of posts relating specifically to the IET engine problems, moved them to 'Across the West' and merged them with the existing topic there, at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=24934.msg368061#msg368061
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025 In "TransWilts line" [368091/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 14:43, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00 will be cancelled.
This is due to a points failure.
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00 will be cancelled.
This is due to a points failure.
Looks like we missed ...
UID P09526, identity 2M26. TSC 25485001
13:14 Swindon to Westbury
This service is cancelled.
This service was cancelled due to a points failure (IB).
13:14 Swindon to Westbury
This service is cancelled.
This service was cancelled due to a points failure (IB).
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368090/31055/24] Posted by grahame at 14:36, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Good for any journey whose ticket has not yet been bought. It will be cheaper.
Not necessarily
Anytime day single Paddington to Copplestone £149.50
Anytime day single Paddington to Exeter St Davids £149.50
Bus fare £3
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025 In "TransWilts line" [368089/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 14:27, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00 will be cancelled.
This is due to a points failure.
14:18 Westbury to Swindon due 15:00 will be cancelled.
This is due to a points failure.
| "First Class" on a 166 In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [368088/31087/20] Posted by Clan Line at 14:11, 13th November 2025 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
I travelled from Fareham back to Warminster yesterday afternoon. The train looked about a third full overall. I went into the very rear of the train where there were four nice large tables with 2 + 2 seating - completely empty. At Southampton 3 men got in and started to settle down when one of them commented - "isn't this 1st class" ? After a bit of discussion about lack of signs, etc, they stayed put. As soon as the train moved away, the guard appeared from the rear cab - they asked him if they were in 1st Class - he confirmed they weren't.
It doesn't say a great deal about the generally perceived quality of the rolling stock on this line when half decent 2 + 2 seating with tables is now often mistaken for 1st Class. "Let them eat cake !"
PS: I was really impressed with the electric buses running down the old railway line to Gosport ! Comfy seats too.
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368087/31055/24] Posted by ChrisB at 12:31, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Good for any journey whose ticket has not yet been bought. It will be cheaper.
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368086/31055/24] Posted by grahame at 12:10, 13th November 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby | ![]() |
And now completely closed from Crediton to Barnstaple
Alternatively, You may use your ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus services between Exeter and Barnstaple:
Alternatively, You may use your ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus services between Exeter and Barnstaple:
However, the bus fare is a maximum of £3 single so we'd suggest buying your ticket on the bus

Good for local journeys. For passengers already in possession of tickets such an advance from Ham Street to Eggesford, or Portsmouth Harbour to Portsmouth Arms, it may be best to use the original ticket.
The entire South West so easily feels constrained in capacity and services. Makes me wonder what the optimum levels of both might be.
Mark
Mark
I wonder if, complementing the hourly Newquay-Falmouth service, extending the Newquay-Par trains to a couple of Newquay-Plymouth runs at peak times might prove popular, particularly in summer.
| Re: Unease after village crowned world's most beautiful - Bibury, Gloucestershire In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368084/30727/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:17, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Topic now moved to where I should have put it originally.
CfN.

| MOVED: Unease after village crowned world's most beautiful - Bibury, Gloucestershire In "Across the West" [368083/31086/26] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:15, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Fair comment, TaplowGreen.

This topic has been moved to The West - but NOT trains in the West.
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=30727.0
| Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2025 In "Across the West" [368082/30953/26] Posted by ChrisB at 11:11, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
From Sky News
Amber weather warning issued for parts of UK - as Storm Claudia brings heavy rain
An amber weather warning has been issued as Storm Claudia looks set to batter parts of the UK on Friday.
Flooding is likely with up to 80mm of rain expected, the Met Office said.
The warning is in place from noon until the end of the day, with it covering parts of Wales, the Midlands, the South West, South East and East of England.

An amber weather warning has been issued as Storm Claudia looks set to batter parts of the UK on Friday.
Flooding is likely with up to 80mm of rain expected, the Met Office said.
The warning is in place from noon until the end of the day, with it covering parts of Wales, the Midlands, the South West, South East and East of England.

| Re: Campaign for Tavistock reopening In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [368081/804/28] Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:57, 13th November 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby, Mark A | ![]() |
The Devon Live article above seems slightly at odds with DCC's website, which states:
In Autumn 2022, DCC submitted a Strategic Outline Business Case (SOBC) for restoring Tavistock-Plymouth rail services. The selected scheme would deliver a new station at Tavistock, and reinstate approximately 5 miles of track.
[...]
Through the SOBC, DCC is seeking £3 million to further develop the scheme. This would enable DCC to develop the business case, progress the detailed design, and complete the Development Consent Order process. Following this, a final decision would be needed to proceed to constructing the scheme.
Source: Devon County Council[...]
Through the SOBC, DCC is seeking £3 million to further develop the scheme. This would enable DCC to develop the business case, progress the detailed design, and complete the Development Consent Order process. Following this, a final decision would be needed to proceed to constructing the scheme.
So is it £1.5 million, or £3 million?
Followers of the Portishead saga may find reference to the DCO process rather triggering! Is this massively cumbersome process really appropriate to a scheme such as this? Is this really a Nationally Significant Infrastructure Project? Reopening the whole route might qualify for this, but surely not a short local railway?
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368080/31055/24] Posted by ChrisB at 10:28, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
And now completely closed from Crediton to Barnstaple
Alternatively, You may use your ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus services between Exeter and Barnstaple:
Alternatively, You may use your ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus services between Exeter and Barnstaple:
However, the bus fare is a maximum of £3 single so we'd suggest buying your ticket on the bus

| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368079/29711/14] Posted by ray951 at 10:08, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Maybe this conversation should be moved to the Problems with IET Trains thread https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=24934.0
| Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021 In "Across the West" [368078/24934/26] Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:46, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
The Oxford Clarion has the reason for the awful performance on the North Cotswold....
A widespread engine fault on GWR’s fleet of intercity trains is causing overcrowding, late running and cancellations on London–Oxford services, and onwards into the Cotswolds. Fuel pumps are said to be “disintegrating”, leading to trains running slow with several engines out of service.
Over the last four weeks, only 60% of Oxford–Paddington services have run to time (or within 5 minutes). Some services have been particularly unpunctual: the 2035 from Oxford has been on time for just 15% of its scheduled runs, with the 1331 little better at 25%.
The engine failures mean that services booked for 9-coach trains are often run with just 5, with passengers being left on the platform at Oxford on occasion. A 9-coach train has 5 engines: GWR withdraws them from service if 3 of the 5 have failed.
Over the last four weeks, only 60% of Oxford–Paddington services have run to time (or within 5 minutes). Some services have been particularly unpunctual: the 2035 from Oxford has been on time for just 15% of its scheduled runs, with the 1331 little better at 25%.
The engine failures mean that services booked for 9-coach trains are often run with just 5, with passengers being left on the platform at Oxford on occasion. A 9-coach train has 5 engines: GWR withdraws them from service if 3 of the 5 have failed.
From 800301 on RailUKforums:
Pretty much whole fleet replacement of fuel pumps and a full fuel system clean, they are getting about 3 done a day, it requires the whole Generator unit to be dropped from the train for the work to be done, they are getting more back into service but the work can only be done at certain locations.
They haven’t yet determined the cause but it’s being looked into, quite a few 9 car sets are running around on 3 out of 5 engines, if running on 2 it’s likely they will be pulled from service, where rail adhesion has been quite bad yesterday and today they have also been receiving Not to Call orders at certain stations or being held in other places so they are guaranteed a clear run up inclines to avoid getting stranded.
Hopefully it will be sorted soon
They haven’t yet determined the cause but it’s being looked into, quite a few 9 car sets are running around on 3 out of 5 engines, if running on 2 it’s likely they will be pulled from service, where rail adhesion has been quite bad yesterday and today they have also been receiving Not to Call orders at certain stations or being held in other places so they are guaranteed a clear run up inclines to avoid getting stranded.
Hopefully it will be sorted soon
Edited to clarify quotes
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [368077/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 09:28, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Thursday November 13
05:23 Hereford to London Paddington due 08:24 will no longer call at Honeybourne, Kingham, Charlbury and Hanborough.
This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:13/11/2025 06:57
Missing out Honeybourne allows the train to have a run at the bank. The schedule allows 18 minutes from Evesham to Moreton, including the Honeybourne stop. Today it took 20 without.This is due to a fault on this train.
Last Updated:13/11/2025 06:57
| Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368076/19893/51] Posted by Western Pathfinder at 09:05, 13th November 2025 Already liked by GBM | ![]() |
Sid, good morning yes I hey do have epipes,mostly in Yorkshire Ha,
I infact have one ,it's an infernal contraption,which when in use produces more vapour than a Castle at full reg up the Lickey,useful f you need to have both hands free ,but otherwise impractical.
| Re: Exeter to Barnstaple "commute from hell" In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [368075/31055/24] Posted by grahame at 07:58, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
And now completely closed from Crediton to Barnstaple
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Due to heavy rain flooding the railway between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple the line is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Due to flooding we are currently unable to run any trains on the Barnstaple branch line; this affects services between Crediton and Barnstaple (Currently Exeter St Davids to Okehampton services are running).
Network Rails remote monitoring equipment detected water exceeding the threshold for closure at three bridges and viaducts, triggering an automatic closure for the safety of all customers.
The safety of customers is our top priority and Network Rail will need to deploy specialist diving teams to inspect the affected structures once water levels recede before services can safely resume.
We will restore the service as soon as it is safe to do so but with heavy rain expected on Friday the closure could continue for several days. We will provide additional updates as we receive more information.
We would urge customers to only travel if necessary whilst the line is closed, and to check before travelling at GWR.com.
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What are my options:
Limited rail replacement road transport is now in place. Coaches and taxis will shuttle between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple until further notice. Please see station staff for more information.
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For any passengers at any intermediate stations, please use the help point and road transport will be arranged.
Please use journey planners to see which trains will call additionally at Newton St Cyres request stop.
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Alternatively, You may use your ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus services between Exeter and Barnstaple:
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Stagecoach South West route:
>5B - Exeter (Bus Station, approximately 13 minutes by foot from Exeter Central train station and 24 minutes by foot from Exeter St Davids train station), Crediton (directly opposite train station), Copplestone (approximately 10 minutes by foot from the train station), Morchard Road (approximately 5 minutes by foot from the train station), Barnstaple (directly opposite the train station)
Journey time on bus route 5B between Exeter bus station and Barnstaple is approximately 2 hours, 20 minutes
Bus service 5B runs up to seven times a day
See https://www.stagecoachbus.com/routes/south-west/5/exeter-bus-station-crediton-or-chulmleigh/XDAO005.O for more information.
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We're sorry for the delay to your journey.
We will update this message with more information when we have it.
Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
If you require further information please speak to our staff at the station or on the train, use the Customer Help Point, message us on X @GWRHelp or call National Rail Enquiries on 03457 484 950.
If you arrive at your destination 15 or more minutes late because your GWR train was delayed or cancelled, you can claim Delay Repay compensation. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
Last Updated:13/11/2025 07:43
Due to heavy rain flooding the railway between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple the line is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Due to flooding we are currently unable to run any trains on the Barnstaple branch line; this affects services between Crediton and Barnstaple (Currently Exeter St Davids to Okehampton services are running).
Network Rails remote monitoring equipment detected water exceeding the threshold for closure at three bridges and viaducts, triggering an automatic closure for the safety of all customers.
The safety of customers is our top priority and Network Rail will need to deploy specialist diving teams to inspect the affected structures once water levels recede before services can safely resume.
We will restore the service as soon as it is safe to do so but with heavy rain expected on Friday the closure could continue for several days. We will provide additional updates as we receive more information.
We would urge customers to only travel if necessary whilst the line is closed, and to check before travelling at GWR.com.
-
What are my options:
Limited rail replacement road transport is now in place. Coaches and taxis will shuttle between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple until further notice. Please see station staff for more information.
-
For any passengers at any intermediate stations, please use the help point and road transport will be arranged.
Please use journey planners to see which trains will call additionally at Newton St Cyres request stop.
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Alternatively, You may use your ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus services between Exeter and Barnstaple:
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Stagecoach South West route:
>5B - Exeter (Bus Station, approximately 13 minutes by foot from Exeter Central train station and 24 minutes by foot from Exeter St Davids train station), Crediton (directly opposite train station), Copplestone (approximately 10 minutes by foot from the train station), Morchard Road (approximately 5 minutes by foot from the train station), Barnstaple (directly opposite the train station)
Journey time on bus route 5B between Exeter bus station and Barnstaple is approximately 2 hours, 20 minutes
Bus service 5B runs up to seven times a day
See https://www.stagecoachbus.com/routes/south-west/5/exeter-bus-station-crediton-or-chulmleigh/XDAO005.O for more information.
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We're sorry for the delay to your journey.
We will update this message with more information when we have it.
Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
If you require further information please speak to our staff at the station or on the train, use the Customer Help Point, message us on X @GWRHelp or call National Rail Enquiries on 03457 484 950.
If you arrive at your destination 15 or more minutes late because your GWR train was delayed or cancelled, you can claim Delay Repay compensation. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
Last Updated:13/11/2025 07:43
| Re: Driving licences and tests - ongoing discussion In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368074/19893/51] Posted by CyclingSid at 07:39, 13th November 2025 Already liked by Witham Bobby, GBM | ![]() |
Must admit I can't remember much of my learning to drive a car except my instructor telling me to book a test at Henley, too many failed in Reading on the hill start, and driving out of the test centre car park in Henley flapping my arm out of the window and the examiner saying shut the window its cold. I believe hand signals in cars are long gone, using indicators seem increasingly rare.
HGV learning in the Army on a Bedford RL. The gear stick was back next to you so if you tried to use it like a car you banged your elbow on the back of the cab and got a dead arm. My instructor smoked a very ornate pipe. He was a member of the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes, apparently the more ornate the pipe the higher up you were in the organisation. Can;t remember seeing a pipe being smoked in years. Do they have e-pipes !?
| Re: Unease after village crowned world's most beautiful - Bibury, Gloucestershire In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368073/30727/31] Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:50, 13th November 2025 | ![]() |
Is this article in the correct location?
"Across the West
General rail topics - PLEASE CHECK to see if your topic would be better on one of the other boards first!"
Should you wish to navigate your way around the Roman Empire's road network there is naturally a route planner now available on the Interrete!
https://www.omnesviae.org/
Dave
| Re: Recycling rubbish - something of a minefield? In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368071/30854/31] Posted by eightonedee at 23:18, 12th November 2025 | ![]() |
There's a recent video on Chis Spargo's YouTube channel on this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwaOiTHl7U) that explains why there are a lot of changes now under way in rubbish recycling by local authorities.
| Re: Unease after village crowned world's most beautiful - Bibury, Gloucestershire In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368070/30727/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:48, 12th November 2025 | ![]() |
An update, from the BBC:
New traffic rules planned for 'iconic' Cotswold village

A high number of visitors contribute to traffic issues and road safety concerns
Permanent changes to coach bays in an "iconic" tourist destination have been proposed to improve road safety and manage high visitor numbers.
Bibury, in the Gloucestershire Cotswolds, can sometimes see as many as 20,000 visitors in a weekend, and up to 50 coaches parking there a day.
Following a trial in the summer, Gloucestershire County Council is planning to introduce permanent restrictions on coaches entering the village.
Councillor Lisa Spivey, leader of the council, said: "Bibury is one of the Cotswolds' most iconic destinations, but its popularity has created real challenges. These proposals aim to make the village safer, reduce congestion, and protect its unique character."
Additional proposals include implementing a loading bay and disabled parking spaces, along with extended yellow line restrictions to prevent parking problems elsewhere.
Restrictions on coaches entering the village were introduced in May, with parking bays in the centre of the village closed and new public bus stop clearways installed. Council leaders said the clearways were introduced to create safer passenger drop-off and pick-up areas and to reduce the risk of crashes caused by "unsafe coach manoeuvres".
Plans to make the changes permanent are supported by a group called Bibury One, which includes representatives from the local community, parish councillors, coach and tour operators, the county council, and Gloucestershire Constabulary. Drop-in meetings for members of the public will begin on Wednesday. If approved, the measures could be implemented by early summer 2026.
A survey on the changes is running until 3 December.

A high number of visitors contribute to traffic issues and road safety concerns
Permanent changes to coach bays in an "iconic" tourist destination have been proposed to improve road safety and manage high visitor numbers.
Bibury, in the Gloucestershire Cotswolds, can sometimes see as many as 20,000 visitors in a weekend, and up to 50 coaches parking there a day.
Following a trial in the summer, Gloucestershire County Council is planning to introduce permanent restrictions on coaches entering the village.
Councillor Lisa Spivey, leader of the council, said: "Bibury is one of the Cotswolds' most iconic destinations, but its popularity has created real challenges. These proposals aim to make the village safer, reduce congestion, and protect its unique character."
Additional proposals include implementing a loading bay and disabled parking spaces, along with extended yellow line restrictions to prevent parking problems elsewhere.
Restrictions on coaches entering the village were introduced in May, with parking bays in the centre of the village closed and new public bus stop clearways installed. Council leaders said the clearways were introduced to create safer passenger drop-off and pick-up areas and to reduce the risk of crashes caused by "unsafe coach manoeuvres".
Plans to make the changes permanent are supported by a group called Bibury One, which includes representatives from the local community, parish councillors, coach and tour operators, the county council, and Gloucestershire Constabulary. Drop-in meetings for members of the public will begin on Wednesday. If approved, the measures could be implemented by early summer 2026.
A survey on the changes is running until 3 December.
| Re: Seagulls: particularly in Bath, Cornwall and Minehead - ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368069/29073/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:24, 12th November 2025 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
Study finds shouting may stop gulls stealing food

Researchers found a recording of a man shouting was the most off-putting to gulls
Shouting at gulls makes them more likely to leave your food alone, research has revealed.
University of Exeter researchers put a closed box of chips on the ground to attract herring gulls and watched the effect different recordings had on them. Once a gull approached, they played either a recording of a male voice shouting the words "no, stay away, that's my food", the same voice speaking those words or the birdsong of a robin.
They tested a total of 61 gulls across nine seaside towns in Cornwall and found nearly half of those exposed to the shouting voice flew away within a minute. In contrast, 70% of gulls exposed to the robin song stayed near the food for the duration of the experiment. The team said they found 15% of the gulls exposed to the speaking male voice flew away, while the rest walked away from the food, still sensing danger.
Dr Neeltje Boogert of the Centre for Ecology and Conservation at the Penryn campus said: "So when trying to scare off a gull that's trying to steal your food, talking might stop them in their tracks but shouting is more effective at making them fly away."
The university said the experiment was designed to show that physical violence was not necessary to scare off gulls, and the researchers used male voices as most crimes against wildlife were carried out by men.
"Most gulls aren't bold enough to steal food from a person, I think they've become quite vilified," said Dr Boogert. "What we don't want is people injuring them. They are a species of conservation concern, and this experiment shows there are peaceful ways to deter them that don't involve physical contact," added Dr Boogert.
In 2020, a study by scientists at the University of Exeter found gulls were more likely to be attracted to food which had been handled by humans. In the study, scientists offered herring gulls a choice of two identical food items, from which 79% of the gulls opted for items they had seen in human hands.
In 2019, researchers at the university also found the secret to protecting your seaside chips from scavenging gulls was to stare at them. The study revealed birds were more likely to steal food when they avoided the gaze of their victims.
Gulls are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 so it is an offence to intentionally injure or kill any gull, or to take, damage or destroy an active nest or its contents.

Researchers found a recording of a man shouting was the most off-putting to gulls
Shouting at gulls makes them more likely to leave your food alone, research has revealed.
University of Exeter researchers put a closed box of chips on the ground to attract herring gulls and watched the effect different recordings had on them. Once a gull approached, they played either a recording of a male voice shouting the words "no, stay away, that's my food", the same voice speaking those words or the birdsong of a robin.
They tested a total of 61 gulls across nine seaside towns in Cornwall and found nearly half of those exposed to the shouting voice flew away within a minute. In contrast, 70% of gulls exposed to the robin song stayed near the food for the duration of the experiment. The team said they found 15% of the gulls exposed to the speaking male voice flew away, while the rest walked away from the food, still sensing danger.
Dr Neeltje Boogert of the Centre for Ecology and Conservation at the Penryn campus said: "So when trying to scare off a gull that's trying to steal your food, talking might stop them in their tracks but shouting is more effective at making them fly away."
The university said the experiment was designed to show that physical violence was not necessary to scare off gulls, and the researchers used male voices as most crimes against wildlife were carried out by men.
"Most gulls aren't bold enough to steal food from a person, I think they've become quite vilified," said Dr Boogert. "What we don't want is people injuring them. They are a species of conservation concern, and this experiment shows there are peaceful ways to deter them that don't involve physical contact," added Dr Boogert.
In 2020, a study by scientists at the University of Exeter found gulls were more likely to be attracted to food which had been handled by humans. In the study, scientists offered herring gulls a choice of two identical food items, from which 79% of the gulls opted for items they had seen in human hands.
In 2019, researchers at the university also found the secret to protecting your seaside chips from scavenging gulls was to stare at them. The study revealed birds were more likely to steal food when they avoided the gaze of their victims.
Gulls are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 so it is an offence to intentionally injure or kill any gull, or to take, damage or destroy an active nest or its contents.
| Re: Stonehenge - National Monument in Wiltshire: merged posts, ongoing discussion In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368068/22806/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:45, 12th November 2025 | ![]() |
An update, from the BBC:
'Fantasy' to expect U-turn on Stonehenge tunnel

Almost £200m has already been spent on the now-scrapped tunnel
Campaigners who fought against plans for a road tunnel near Stonehenge have supported a government proposal to revoke permission for it.
The controversial proposals for the A303 in Wiltshire were originally granted permission in 2023, but the scheme - which had already had £179.2m spent on it - was scrapped last year due to finances.
Leaders of the Stonehenge Alliance have called it a "fantasy" to imagine that the government would reconsider investing in the scheme in this "current economic climate".
However, four councils have come together to condemn ministers' move to revoke permission, saying it is a "step backwards" for growth.
Despite the axing of the scheme, the power to build the tunnel – called a development consent order – currently remains in place following approval by the previous Conservative government. But the Department for Transport (DfT) has issued a draft revoking order, with a consultation until 21 November, before a final decision is made.

The tunnel plan was debated for decades
In a joint statement, the leaders of Dorset, Somerset, Wiltshire and BCP (Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole) councils, called the government move a "damaging and short-sighted decision that disregards years of planning, consultation and investment. "This is a major step backwards for the Wessex area and beyond," they said.
Councillor Ian Thorn, leader of Wiltshire Council, told BBC Radio Wiltshire the plan would be good for residents and business going through Wiltshire to the rest of the region. He said heavy congestion on the A303 slows industry growth. "This government is all about growth, but if it wants to see growth, it's got to put it's money where it's mouth is and sadly that's not what it's done here in relation to the Stonehenge tunnel," he said.
The Stonehenge Alliance said it agreed the area needs more investment, but an alternative solutions should have been looked at. Mike Birkin, acting chair of the group, called the world heritage site a "landscape without parallel".
"It's really a weight off the future of the Stonehenge world heritage site if this planning permission is revoked," he added, explaining that to have the permission "hanging over it" would not be "good for the protection of the site".
"In the current economic climate, it is a fantasy to imagine that government would want to invest in this scheme," a group spokesperson added. It references a report by the National Audit Office in 2019, which said the benefits of a tunnel were "uncertain".
Stonehenge was declared by Unesco to be a world heritage site of outstanding universal value in 1986.
A DfT spokesperson said "exceptional circumstances" make it "appropriate" to make a proposal to revoke permission. The department has said before that "difficult decisions" had to be made about a number of road projects due to the financial challenges the government is facing.

Almost £200m has already been spent on the now-scrapped tunnel
Campaigners who fought against plans for a road tunnel near Stonehenge have supported a government proposal to revoke permission for it.
The controversial proposals for the A303 in Wiltshire were originally granted permission in 2023, but the scheme - which had already had £179.2m spent on it - was scrapped last year due to finances.
Leaders of the Stonehenge Alliance have called it a "fantasy" to imagine that the government would reconsider investing in the scheme in this "current economic climate".
However, four councils have come together to condemn ministers' move to revoke permission, saying it is a "step backwards" for growth.
Despite the axing of the scheme, the power to build the tunnel – called a development consent order – currently remains in place following approval by the previous Conservative government. But the Department for Transport (DfT) has issued a draft revoking order, with a consultation until 21 November, before a final decision is made.

The tunnel plan was debated for decades
In a joint statement, the leaders of Dorset, Somerset, Wiltshire and BCP (Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole) councils, called the government move a "damaging and short-sighted decision that disregards years of planning, consultation and investment. "This is a major step backwards for the Wessex area and beyond," they said.
Councillor Ian Thorn, leader of Wiltshire Council, told BBC Radio Wiltshire the plan would be good for residents and business going through Wiltshire to the rest of the region. He said heavy congestion on the A303 slows industry growth. "This government is all about growth, but if it wants to see growth, it's got to put it's money where it's mouth is and sadly that's not what it's done here in relation to the Stonehenge tunnel," he said.
The Stonehenge Alliance said it agreed the area needs more investment, but an alternative solutions should have been looked at. Mike Birkin, acting chair of the group, called the world heritage site a "landscape without parallel".
"It's really a weight off the future of the Stonehenge world heritage site if this planning permission is revoked," he added, explaining that to have the permission "hanging over it" would not be "good for the protection of the site".
"In the current economic climate, it is a fantasy to imagine that government would want to invest in this scheme," a group spokesperson added. It references a report by the National Audit Office in 2019, which said the benefits of a tunnel were "uncertain".
Stonehenge was declared by Unesco to be a world heritage site of outstanding universal value in 1986.
A DfT spokesperson said "exceptional circumstances" make it "appropriate" to make a proposal to revoke permission. The department has said before that "difficult decisions" had to be made about a number of road projects due to the financial challenges the government is facing.
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Update on the units that have had crack repairs completed, and those still to do - courtesy of Richard Clinnick, on his socials recently -
800306 left Eastleigh today (Nov 6th), leaving classmate 800309 as the only set there.
...there have been 10x5-car 800/0s, 5x9-car 800/3s, 17x5-car 802/0 and 8x9-car 802/1s from the
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fleet treated, leaving 26 800/0s, 16 800/3s, 5 802/0s and 6 802/1s to go. Interestingly, maybe, more Eversholt-owned sets than Agilty sets have been for repairs...
...there have been 10x5-car 800/0s, 5x9-car 800/3s, 17x5-car 802/0 and 8x9-car 802/1s from the
@gwr
fleet treated, leaving 26 800/0s, 16 800/3s, 5 802/0s and 6 802/1s to go. Interestingly, maybe, more Eversholt-owned sets than Agilty sets have been for repairs...














