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Gales to cause Friday Isle of Man ferry passenger disruption - December 2025
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [368951/31208/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:18, 4th December 2025
 
From the BBC:


Two of Friday's planned sailing by flagship vessel the Manxman have been cancelled

Gales over the Irish Sea have led to disruption for ferry passengers due to travel between the Isle of Man and Lancashire on Friday.

The Isle of Man Steam Packet Company said, due to the expected adverse conditions, the Manxman's 14:30 GMT crossing from Heysham to Douglas had been cancelled.

The flagship vessel's evening return to the Lancashire port, scheduled to at depart 20:30, had also been called, the firm said.

Ronaldsway Met Office said gusts of up to 50mph (80km/h) were expected to hit the island on Friday afternoon.

The Steam Packet said passengers booked to travel on the affected sailings could amend their tickets online or by contacting the reservations desk.

Saturday's scheduled crossings, including the 03:00 sailing from Heysham to Douglas, are expected to depart as scheduled.


Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368950/31203/26]
Posted by bobm at 17:11, 4th December 2025
 
Thanks - I had that heading too - but the data on the actual spreadsheet was headed last year.   It has updated in the last hour.

Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence?
In "The Lighter Side" [368949/31198/30]
Posted by grahame at 16:33, 4th December 2025
 
Just 1. and 5. to go ... and 6 to finish off.

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368948/31203/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:27, 4th December 2025
 
Estimates of station usage April 2024 to March 2025
Date published: 4 December 2025

Re: Estimates of station usage 24-25 - North Cotswolds line
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368947/31207/14]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:10, 4th December 2025
 
The 2tph service is really starting to look necessary to deal with this fantasic growth!  https://www.northcotswoldline.co.uk/

Estimates of station usage 24-25 - North Cotswolds line
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368946/31207/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 15:04, 4th December 2025
 
Thought it worth mentioning here, Hanborough is now the busiest intermediate station exclusively served by GWR services. It's just squeaked ahead of Moreton-in-Marsh by 658 entries and exits. All main stations showing big increases on 2023-24, and numbers well in excess of pre-Covid levels.

Re: Lengthy train, 03/12/2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [368945/31194/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 14:54, 4th December 2025
 
And again, today, 4th December.  This time 800305 and 802113 doing the run

The return working, 1P34 1518 Foregate Street to Paddington also has the two unit, 18 car, formation

Trying out repaired units?  Belt-and-braces to improve the chances of a successful round trip? 


Re: IEP seats in 2025
In "Across the West" [368944/29826/26]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 14:42, 4th December 2025
 
I never thought that photos of decayed upholstery stuffing could qualify as astonishing and then... these photos of yours.

Totally guessing here: that looks to be a polyurethane ether foam that's suffered chemical instability. Specifically, it has oxidised, and the changes in its chemistry have destroyed the physical integrity of the material. Perhaps the material was defective from the time it was manufactured, or it's possible that it's not withstood whatever cleaning regime is used on the seats - this might involve steam cleaning + chemicals that have oxidised the padding.

Comfort aside, there's the DVT risk (something that is real even if the airlines have successfully batted away several legal cases brought by passengers). For good measure, some of the decay products of this sort of foam are toxic.

Mark



Having suffered an unprovoked DVT in the past (not rail related, but fearful that one might occur on a train journey)  which led to very serious consequences for me, here's another good reason for avoiding GW trains from the Vale of Evesham when I need to go to London.  The loco-hauled trains on the Chiltern route between Warwick Parkway and Marylebone offer a cheaper, more reliable and less uncomfortable alternative.  Thank goodness

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368943/31203/26]
Posted by bobm at 14:34, 4th December 2025
 
The link to ORR data page with links to to the data spreadsheets is here (not yet looked) but could check rank of your local station or its change

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/estimates-of-station-usage


Is it me - or does that link go to the previous year's data?

Re: New station at Ashley Down, Bristol
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368942/24045/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 14:24, 4th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
According to this BBC article GWR are expecting 3,300 journeys per week, which by my arithmetic could mean just over 170,000 per year.

But there are a couple of factors which make the existing service offer so unattractive that it is surprising the usage figures are as high as they are: Montpelier has an established service with half-hourly direct trains to a variety of local destinations. Ashley Down's trains are hourly, and as long as they terminate at Filton Abbey Wood the offer will be a bit limited. Once trains are extended through to Brabazon and Henbury, and frequency is improved, usage could increase significantly.

There is one other major problem though: fares. An adult single from MTP - BRI is £1.60, whereas ASD - BRI is £3.70. For most people, the No.70 bus will not only be cheaper, but it will often get them there quicker.  This really needs to be sorted!

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368941/31203/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 14:13, 4th December 2025
 
As for Bath Spa?  77th busiest station in the whole country.  I can only see one busier one (outside of central London) with only two platforms...can anyone guess which it is?

Appears to be Moorfields in Liverpool

Moorfields has three platforms. 

Re: IEP seats in 2025
In "Across the West" [368940/29826/26]
Posted by Mark A at 13:38, 4th December 2025
 
I never thought that photos of decayed upholstery stuffing could qualify as astonishing and then... these photos of yours.

Totally guessing here: that looks to be a polyurethane ether foam that's suffered chemical instability. Specifically, it has oxidised, and the changes in its chemistry have destroyed the physical integrity of the material. Perhaps the material was defective from the time it was manufactured, or it's possible that it's not withstood whatever cleaning regime is used on the seats - this might involve steam cleaning + chemicals that have oxidised the padding.

Comfort aside, there's the DVT risk (something that is real even if the airlines have successfully batted away several legal cases brought by passengers). For good measure, some of the decay products of this sort of foam are toxic.

Mark


Re: New station at Ashley Down, Bristol
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [368939/24045/21]
Posted by WelshBluebird at 13:27, 4th December 2025
 
So station usage estimates are out (already a thread about it in the other section here). Roughly 50k for Ashley Down based on what is probably around half a year of it being open, so ~100k if you were to assume the same usage patterns over a full year period. Do we know how that compares to the estimates and business case prior to opening?

Initially it sounds a bit low to me (especially when compared to Montpellier a 20 minute walk away at over 300k), but then in that comparison Ashley Down has a much less frequent service, with much later first trains and earlier last trains, a Sunday service may aswell not exist half the time given GWR's Sunday issues and of course it is still a new station so people will be finding out about it etc. So maybe its actually doing well considering all that!

Looking to reopen the spur to Falmouth docks
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [368938/31206/49]
Posted by old original at 13:11, 4th December 2025
 
Stronger than a rumour so I thought I'd put it here....
https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/25669640.agenda-reopening-branch-line-spur-falmouth-docks/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1764828103

Re: Coffeeshop Map 4-12-25
In "The Lighter Side" [368937/31199/30]
Posted by Mark A at 12:57, 4th December 2025
 
Ah, it *is* a portent then, and a terrible one. At least, it is if the 'Flooding' is tidal.

Mark

Re: Cars getting bigger - is this a concern?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [368936/31190/5]
Posted by CyclingSid at 12:39, 4th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Yes it is a concern for vulnerable road users and young people
https://bsky.app/profile/canseengland.bsky.social/post/3m72vixwln226
Surprisingly most of the research supporting this has been done in America. Don't tell King Donald, or maybe that is why he has a down on universities.

Two Swindon Borough Council-owned vans clamped in £138,000 permit mix-up
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368935/31205/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:06, 4th December 2025
 
From the BBC:


Swindon Borough Council-owned vans were clamped in the authority's own car park

Two council vans were clamped after the local authority failed to secure the correct parking permits for them.

Swindon Borough Council had to spend £138,000 to cover County Court Judgements as a result of the mistake, according to the Local Democracy Reporting Service.

The two vans were clamped while parked outside the council-owned Civic Offices on Euclid Street.

Emma Bushell, deputy leader at the council, said: "Clearly, this has not been the council's finest hour. We regret this has happened, and will strive to ensure it doesn't happen again."

Ms Bushell was speaking to councillors as part of a debate on a motion put forward by the Conservative group's deputy leader councillor Dale Heenan.

He told the chamber he did some digging and found the authority had been issued fines between March and August totalling £138,000. He added: "This is not normal. It does not normally happen in this authority."

Councillor Bushell said the fines, which caused the action taken by bailiffs, were paid "immediately, and the vehicles were unclamped". She explained that the incident occurred because the staff member responsible for handling permits had been unwell for an extended period. She added: "Absolutely the council's mistake, our fault entirely."

Councillor Bushell said the council's chief executive and its head of finance had already instructed the internal audit team to conduct an investigation into the matter, to ensure it could not happen again.


Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368934/31203/26]
Posted by John D at 11:56, 4th December 2025
 
As for Bath Spa?  77th busiest station in the whole country.  I can only see one busier one (outside of central London) with only two platforms...can anyone guess which it is?

Appears to be Moorfields in Liverpool

with a Melksham bias - Office of Road and Rail - station use stats 2024/5
In "TransWilts line" [368933/31204/18]
Posted by grahame at 11:50, 4th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
So passenger numbers at Melksham Station have dropped from 63,350 in the year 2023/24 to 60,930 in the year 2024/25.
Disappointing when passenger numbers across the UK have increase by 7% over the year. 
Why might the Melksham figure have fallen?

1. Trains were good as suspended during engineering works at Westbury from 24th December 2024 to 24th January 2025. Without that suspension, passenger journeys would have been just over 66,000. Replacement buses ran well in the circumstances, but a bus service taking several times as long as the train is no substitute, and only a tiny proportion of people used them.

2. When the services did run, they were very much prone to cancellation. If you look at ((this thread)) where we kept an eye on performance you'll find no less that 808 posts for 2024 - and we are up to 772 already this year.  This reflects an ongoing issue with cancellations, and it's little wonder that people don't buy tickets for trains that aren't running.  The cancellation rate on-the-day is in excess of 10%, and that does not take into account the engineering works mentions in (1) just above

3. Community promotion of Melksham’s train service has been muted last year and this.  Whilst the service has been useable for regular passengers who know what they are doing and have a “Plan B” and understanding boss, we at MTUG have been very limited is suggesting try-it-out trips with the risk of people being disappointed and put off for years. And I have not seen any general promotions in our area from Community Rail. In hindsight, the sad decisions not to market were correct, bearing in mind some of the stories I have heard.

I am actually amazed at how robust the figures are.  That's probably because Melksham's train service provides a lifeline to many of its users - it is nothing like as much a leisure / optional market here as it is in so many other places.

From April this year until November, reliability issues were serious with far too many cancellations, and with trains declared as cancelled but then re-instated - sometimes with little or no notice, and running nearly empty. So the figures we see next year are also likely to be disappointing.  However, the problems are at long last being noticed, it appears, by people who have some ability to give us a level playing field and I would hope to see them improve.   Having said which, 60,000 journeys is still twenty times the numbers given to me of around 3,000 when I first asked "how many people use Melksham Station".  We are up from ten to two hundred journeys a day.

Numbers should be far higher.  And there is opportunity.  Once people have a product that is useful and they can rely on.  At 9 trains a day each way, it is useful but thin.  It's the reliability that's needed back - with the provision of an appropriate alternative on the very rare occasions when things go wrong.  I hope we don't hear "oops - we've not got a driver" or "oops - we've not actually got a working train" in 2026!





From a Facebook post:

From the Office of Rail and Road, published 4 December 2025

"Estimates of station usage April 2024 to March 2025"

"In Great Britain, 2,589 stations were served by mainline rail services as at 31 March 2025, including six new stations which opened during the year."

"A total of 1,730 million passenger rail journeys were made between April 2024 and March 2025. This is an increase of 7% from the 1,610 million journeys made in the previous year (April 2023 to March 2024)."

What do the statistics show for our home town of Melksham? Here are the figures published for the last 28 years to those just published for the year from April 2024 to March 2025, showing a fall of 3000 journeys. Analysis to follow

Melksham - station code MKM - Wiltshire

1997 to 2000   3868   3388   3635   
2000 to 2005   3266   13695   19143   23294e   27446   
2005 to 2010   24426   22001   38081   27656   10028   
2010 to 2015   11046   11326   12080   23930   51858   
2015 to 2020   60676   74666   74220   74534   75292   
2020 to 2025   18800   52342   64206   63350   60930

e - estimated by myself not the ORR

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/msigcn24/station-usage-2024-25-statistical-release.pdf

Re: Cardiff Central station - redevelopments and improvements
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368932/30018/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:31, 4th December 2025
 
From the BBC:

Major revamp of Wales' busiest station gets go-ahead



Plans for a major revamp of Wales' busiest railway station have received final approval.

The £140m upgrades to Cardiff Central - including a new brick arch rear entrance, larger concourse and improved waiting areas - aim to support passenger growth and reduce overcrowding.

Better accessibility for people with reduced mobility and additional retail and cycle facilities are also among the changes.

Work is due to start in the middle of next year with the aim of completing most of it within three years. The station will remain open during the works.

Around 35,000 passengers a day use the station, which increases during concerts and rugby internationals, the Department for Transport said.

The scheme is being led by Transport for Wales, with the funding made up of £78m from the UK Department for Transport (DfT), £40m from the Cardiff Capital Region City Deal and £21m from the Welsh government.

The DfT money is part of £445m for rail improvements across Wales announced in Chancellor Rachel Reeves' spending review in June.

UK Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the changes would "transform the experience of the millions of passengers who use the station every year", while also improving connectivity with "the rest of Wales and beyond".



Welsh government Transport Secretary Ken Skates welcomed a "major milestone" to upgrade the station, which he said was a "key hub" on the South Wales Metro, which includes a promise to provide twice the number of services, as well as new stations.

He said the investment would "modernise and enhance the station, benefitting passengers and accommodating our ambitions for long term growth".

Skates added that the newly revamped Wales Rail Board would also meet for the first time on Thursday to "discuss future projects such as this and relevant funding".

Cardiff Central station opened in 1850 as Cardiff station, was renamed Cardiff General in 1924 and was given its current name in 1973.

(BBC article continues)


Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368931/31203/26]
Posted by grahame at 11:29, 4th December 2025
 
Some very impressive (and slightly surprising) leaps.

I guess the combination of the return of many office workers, the continued explosion of leisure travel and other more minor factors such as the end of industrial action have all played their part?

Imagine how the numbers would stack up if the railway were providing a better and more consistent service - cue Graham to talk about the slight drop at Melksham, but there are other examples too, such as the generally 'meh' service Chiltern now provide leading to stagnat figures at Oxford Parkway.

As for Bath Spa?  77th busiest station in the whole country.  I can only see one busier one (outside of central London) with only two platforms...can anyone guess which it is?

Separate thread ... in preparation  for local circulation

Re: Passengers locked inside Hartlepool station
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368930/31200/51]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:28, 4th December 2025
 
Yes, commendable actions from the train crew.

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368929/31203/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:26, 4th December 2025
 
Some very impressive (and slightly surprising) leaps.

I guess the combination of the return of many office workers, the continued explosion of leisure travel and other more minor factors such as the end of industrial action have all played their part?

Imagine how the numbers would stack up if the railway were providing a better and more consistent service - cue Graham to talk about the slight drop at Melksham, but there are other examples too, such as the generally 'meh' service Chiltern now provide leading to stagnat figures at Oxford Parkway.

As for Bath Spa?  77th busiest station in the whole country.  I can only see one busier one (outside of central London) with only two platforms...can anyone guess which it is?

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368928/31203/26]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:48, 4th December 2025
Already liked by lympstone_commuter
 
Yes - looking pretty good in the Bristol area too!

Re: Traffic delays in Bristol as bus gets stuck on tight bend - December 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [368927/31192/31]
Posted by rogerw at 10:29, 4th December 2025
 
I think that the bus driver had attempted to turn his vehicle, realising he had gone the wrong way. Cleeve Wood Road is wide enough for a bus.

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368926/31203/26]
Posted by lympstone_commuter at 10:21, 4th December 2025
Already liked by IndustryInsider, John D
 
I have just used the fresh data to update the maps of station usage here: https://timjupp.github.io/stations.html

"Map 1" gives the long-term trend since 1998.

"Map 2" shows (as black dots) the stations for which 2024 - 25 was their best ever year. There are a lot of them, especially in our region.

ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [368925/31203/26]
Posted by John D at 10:17, 4th December 2025
Already liked by lympstone_commuter, GBM
 
ORR has just published station usage data, and at the end has regional busiest stations

Bristol Temple Meads 10.9m
Bath Spa 9.5m
Swindon 3.2m
Exeter Central 3.0m
Exeter St Davids 2.9m

Others not in South West top 5
London Paddington 69.9m
Reading 14.3m
Cardiff Central 12.5m

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/msigcn24/station-usage-2024-25-statistical-release.pdf

For those who like to do pre-covid comparisons, the 2018-2019 report is here

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1668/estimates-of-station-usage-2018-19-factsheet.pdf

The link to ORR data page with links to to the data spreadsheets is here (not yet looked) but could check rank of your local station or its change

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/estimates-of-station-usage

Edit : just looked up some figures from 2018-19 which shows big jump on some stations eg
Bath Spa was 6.538m
Exeter St Davids 2.619m

But others less important eg
Reading was 17.08m 
Swindon was 3.75m
(perhaps few more trains need to skip these if usage down)

Re: Historic black and white pictures - where were they taken? - 3.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368924/31189/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:44, 4th December 2025
 
7 Peter West OBE - named class 150 units - sorry wrong thread!

Right answer .. wrong question  .  Peter's role in the DfT was one I do not envy him - I am leaving the double post here though as a "tip of the hat" in respect to a gentleman with whom we didn't / don't always see eye to eye with, but for whom, never the less, I hold a great respect.

John Ingram - chair of WWRUG, 2008-2010, RIP
In "Who's who on Western railways" [368923/31202/2]
Posted by grahame at 09:11, 4th December 2025
 
I was sad to learn over the weekend of the passing of John Ingram (at the age of 90), chair of the West Wiltshire Rail Users Group from around 2008 to 2010.  John was a gentleman, and a good friend and supporter of public transport in the area.

From April 2009 -  a typical practical but positive campaigning contribution to a press release https://www.passenger.chat/r4498.html - "First Great Western have improved many of their services that pass through Wiltshire in the last two year" say John Ingram, Chairman and Warminster Committee representative at the West Wilts Rail Users Group, "but the service linking the main Wiltshire Towns remains unfit for purpose, and dramatically worse than it was three years ago. The proposals are eminently practical and are what are needed to get the service up and running again."

Thank you to John's son Richard for letting me know; the WWRUG committee which met last night passes on it condolences to John's family and friends. Fond memories and John was a rock who will be sorely missed.

Re: AQ - Which is next in the sequence?
In "The Lighter Side" [368922/31198/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 09:02, 4th December 2025
 
Try again, 7 Peter West OBE, named class 150 units.

 
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