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Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369644/28982/26]
Posted by John D at 07:24, 17th December 2025
 
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Oh early - that's good 

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February.  A window of opportunity.

It will be a bit of a 'sticking plaster' for 5+ years until new units as part of Operation Churchward come on stream, but way better than nothing.

Probably closer to net nothing,  than a complete stopgap.

If you exclude the 3x4coach =12 Castle HSTs that were replaced,
the extra Newquay service (3-4 coach in summer),
a Portishead train 3 cars,
Extra 2 carriages for increased capacity for Oakhampton Interchange,
restoring short 3car to 4car on Cardiff-Portsmouth (8 vehicles),
Transfer of two 5car IETs from SW to Bristol-Oxford (10 vehicles),

Leaves less than 30 carriages extra, and based on some of the recent growth figures in South West in the ORR station usage (many are 5+% per year, with few nearer 8%), so could be 25-40% growth in 5 years.  Is the 175 fleet more a token effort than a real solution for at least 5 years.

I realise getting the 175s was a struggle, but when trying to secure them started (back in 2023 ?) DfT was still in post Covid mode.  Could argue it still is thinking like that rather than regional growth away from London.  But as we have such a start-stop train ordering policy I don't really know where any trains could actually come from if needed in 2-3 years time.


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369643/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 07:22, 17th December 2025
 
Another forum is describing this as an unreliable source. Does anybody have any good information?
The ‘unreliable source’ is rail journalist Jonathan Webb freelance editor of ‘Today’s Railways UK’.

I would tend to lean towards Jonathan being a more reliable than unreliable source.

The new copy of Modern Railways has half a page about the issue. A couple of quotes from this:

    "So far, GWR has managed to run a full service"

    "An emergency timetable similar to that brought in when the yaw damper cracks were discovered is not - yet - under consideration, MR understands."

Well, it's not a full service on the Cotswold line.



AQ17 - where would you of within a daytime journey from Amsterdam?
In "The Lighter Side" [369642/31273/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:43, 17th December 2025
 
Next year in May, I am meeting my cousin and her husband in Amsterdam with a week to ten days do the tourist "thing" on an Interrail trip.   Recommendations, please?    Here are some pictures from my previous trips.  Don't want to be more that one day from Amsterdam at any point ...

Pictured - some options (and I have helped members here by providing transport-oriented pictures)












Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369641/16141/14]
Posted by grahame at 06:18, 17th December 2025
 
And now the not so good news.

Parking charges going up Again.


The 41-year-old commuter said: "Until Jan 31 2025 it cost £4.80 per day. In Feb 2025 it increased to £5.30, then in September 2025 to £5.80. In January 2026 it will rise to £6.50.

[snip]

A GWR representative wrote back in September this year: "Thank you for getting in touch with your concerns about the parking charges at Worcestershire Parkway station.

"We appreciate that the recent increases in parking fees may feel significant, especially when compared with wider inflation rates and prices at other locations. Pricing is reviewed periodically and is based on a number of factors including operation costs, local demand, and ensuring facilities can continue to be maintained and improved.

"At present, there are no confirmed plans for further increases beyond the changes introduced in September. Your feedback has been noted and will be shared with the relevant team.

Reading those words carefully, with my highlights. 


Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369640/31262/3]
Posted by grahame at 06:13, 17th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
The 'fixed' information seems too much sometimes; meanwhile, the 'in the moment' information is severely lacking at times.

[snip]

Perhaps this is where some instructional stickers are needed!

I would agree the occasional issues here ...  I recall in the final days of slam door HSTs at Swindon watching a couple of young ladies not realising these was a handle (level) to operate to open the door to get on the train.  Immediate problem fixed, of course.

On in-train door open buttons, I will admit (not sure what the stock was) to opening the train loo door on one occasion rather than the door to get off ...

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369639/31262/3]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 06:09, 17th December 2025
 
having not located the button

A problem that's not unique to Britain.  A few months ago I travelled on the brand new trains between Brindisi and Bari (in the heel of Italy), and very swish and comfortable they are.  On these trains the doors are double leaf, and there is a button on each door panel, located at the central opening rather than on the door frame at the side.   I noticed that a big plastic sticker has been added on each panel, with a big arrow pointing to the buttons, which are themselves normal size and quite unobtrusive.  I guess that the manufacturer provided trains that worked perfectly in terms of the mechanics and electrics - then joe public found this usability problem, and it was fixed with a simple patch.

At least a  door button - once you've found it - is easier to use than the latch that needed two hands and two strong thumbs on the inside of the slam-door trains that we grew up with.

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369638/31262/3]
Posted by Hafren at 23:33, 16th December 2025
 
The 'fixed' information seems too much sometimes; meanwhile, the 'in the moment' information is severely lacking at times.

Re the 'fixed' information, it does seem that Joe Public needs a little hand-holding from time to time. I'm surprised there aren't stickers explaining how to open train doors, given the number of times I've seen people struggle. I note that when the 'who opens the doors' debates and union disputes pop up, the 'bottom half of the internet' comments produce assumptions that the passenger can do it; I think some genuinely think the doors aren't consciously released at stops.

Hence sometimes, the train comes to a stop and the person presses the button. Nothing happens, of course (although apparently the new Merseyrail trains can remember the press). Then the doors are released – the light comes on and some sounds blare out these days. Despite this (statistically these people aren't all going to be hard of hearing!) the person doesn't press the button again after release. I sometimes wonder if they think they set an alarm off by pressing the button! And this seems to play out frequently – at least in my anecdotal experience! Even worse, I've seen situations (only once or twice, this time) on 197s where it appears that people are don't make it off the train before it leaves, having not located the button – on 197s the vestibule is quite wide, and the button is set back, and on one side only, and thus I think the button isn't in people's line of sight.

Perhaps this is where some instructional stickers are needed!

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369637/16141/14]
Posted by TonyN at 22:36, 16th December 2025
 
And now the not so good news.

Parking charges going up Again.

Anger over Worcestershire Parkway parking charge increase

https://www.cotswoldjournal.co.uk/news/25698794.anger-worcestershire-parkway-parking-charge-increase/

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369636/31264/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 22:27, 16th December 2025
 
I have to say that for 8 I was in the right region but couldn't identify the exact service despite the TTs I downloaded.  Well done Hafren!

Re: Making sure the information you might need is easily available
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [369635/31262/3]
Posted by Trowres at 22:18, 16th December 2025
 
The Scandinavians have a reputation for quality design. Quite something, then, for the British Rail Design Manual to be translated into Danish: https://designreviewed.com/artefacts/british-rail-design-danish-design-council-1986/

That photo of Melksham is shocking.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369634/28982/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:17, 16th December 2025
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From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Oh early - that's good 

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February.  A window of opportunity.

Yes, good timing really as Cornwall/Devon go quieter than most routes over winter when compared with the summer rush.  A little bit of breathing space.

Hopefully there will be enough 175 units in service by next May to provide adequate summer capacity, including the release one for the extra Par<>Newquay services, and get some IETs released back to bolster the length of longer distance trips and new services such as Oxford<>Bristol.

It will be a bit of a 'sticking plaster' for 5+ years until new units as part of Operation Churchward come on stream, but way better than nothing.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369633/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:38, 16th December 2025
 
The easy ones are taken, and the rest nearly had me stumped but the 40-minute branch interval caught my eye.

8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch

Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.

You are spot on ... how to run a better-than-hourly service on a line.    I can recall (showing my age) that one of the hourly trains used to run Thursday excepted because of the weekly freight train.

I am - happy - that I've had you stumped and (I hope) enjoying the challenge.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369632/28982/26]
Posted by grahame at 20:32, 16th December 2025
 
From GWR.com
The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Oh early - that's good 

But rather more serious, the winter lull in leisure holiday passenger numbers will give GWR the opportunity to get more of these into service and I don't suppose shortforms rather that MULTIPLE units on these trains will lead to too much overcrowding in January and February.  A window of opportunity.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369631/31264/30]
Posted by Hafren at 20:31, 16th December 2025
 
The easy ones are taken, and the rest nearly had me stumped but the 40-minute branch interval caught my eye.

8: Southend Victoria (truncated) with Southminster branch

Stratford 7 mins from LST, occasional Romford stop. 3tph main route with every other train connecting with a branch train. It's a long time since I've been to Eastern Region and I've never turned off at Shenfield but that pattern is quite distinctive and long-standing.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369630/28982/26]
Posted by bobm at 19:30, 16th December 2025
 
From GWR.com

https://news.gwr.com/news/first-of-great-western-railways-recommissioned-class-175-trains-enters-passenger-service

The first of Great Western Railway’s recommissioned Class 175 trains has entered into passenger service ahead of their phased rollout next year.

Yesterday’s 1340 Plymouth-Penzance service was operated by 175001. It then operated the 1552 return service.

GWR leased 26 Class 175 trains earlier this year as part of plans to rejuvenate its regional and suburban services.

The full fleet will be introduced throughout 2026, operating predominantly between Exeter St Davids and Penzance, as well as to Barnstaple and Okehampton.

In the early stages of the rollout, services operated by the 175s will vary to support wider training and maintenance needs.

It follows the retirement of GWR’s four remaining Castle Class sets on Saturday. The Class 43 locomotives and Mark 3 coaches, which operated on the Great Western network for almost 50 years, are due to be returned to their leasing companies in the new year.

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369629/16141/14]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:09, 16th December 2025
Already liked by TonyN, Richard Fairhurst
 
The recently released station usage figures, which were excellent as quoted elsewhere, will hopefully give a boost to those campaigning for more XC trains to call.
There's currently 31 a day almost all on the Cardiff<>Nottingham axis.  That looks set to almost double to 56 trains a day with the Cardiff<>Nottingham's supplemented by a mostly hourly call on the longer distance XC services.

I will nit pick slightly in that the morning commuter service remains little changed, just one extra train from Plymouth to Edinburgh that gets into New Street just before 9am, and nothing heading south for Cheltenham/Gloucester other than the current 07:58 as the first Bristol southbound service doesn't get there until gone 10am.

Further targeted improvements see a small number of additional calls from this weeks timetable change, but really improving the early morning service south as there is now a 07:12 to Paignton and 08:12 to Bristol Temple Meads offering two more commuting services to Cheltenham and Bristol - the first one to Bristol was at 09:16 until this week.

There's also an additional last service south.  Last week it was 20:58 to Cardiff (20:30 off Birmingham New Street), but now there's an additional 21:59 to Gloucester calling at Ashcurch and Cheltenham (21:30 off of Birmingham New Street, which originates at Leicester).

Good stuff!

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369626/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:00, 16th December 2025
 
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
Facilities on the 20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [369625/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:56, 16th December 2025
 
Alterations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a points failure between Slough and Reading some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 16/12.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369624/31246/21]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:18, 16th December 2025
 
It has,  helped by Network Rail bunging £3m into the "Mend the Gap" fund to be spent on all kinds of worthy countryside, and wildlife projects that would not otherwise be eligible for Government (local or national) between Reading and Didcot along the line of the railway. 

I don't think though that you will find many who will say they now accept the "intrusion " of the OHL as part of the local landscape.  Pragmatically though (and perhaps a little cynically) I would suggest that NR just apply a little aesthetic sensibility to whatever they put up through Bath, go through a (token?) consultation process which lays it on thickly how much it will benefit the local environment and economy and just do it.

BTW - was there such a furore when the East Coast main line was electrified through Durham, with that magnificent view of the cathedral in the background?

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369622/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 16:31, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
5: Between Yeovil Junction and Pen Mill Monday to Friday.

I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!

Yes, it is ... but I would STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST walking between these two stations

Re: Also available on the Coffee Shop secure (https) server
In "News, Help and Assistance" [369621/29701/29]
Posted by grahame at 16:26, 16th December 2025
 
Note that (some or all?) of the NR versions are valid to 12 December 2025! Table 133 for example. NR needs to catch up!

At the current time, you need to scroll way down to find the December to May (current) timetables.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369620/31246/21]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:22, 16th December 2025
 
[snip]

 It would have been a very serious act of vandalism to use the standard massive wiring gantries on a prominent route through a World Heritage City.

[snip]

Could our correspondent from Goring inform us please if the indignation from the good burghers of the Gap has died down over the wiring of their section of the GWML.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369619/31264/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:10, 16th December 2025
 
5: Between Yeovil Junction and Pen Mill Monday to Friday.

I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!

Re: Also available on the Coffee Shop secure (https) server
In "News, Help and Assistance" [369618/29701/29]
Posted by WSW Frome at 15:27, 16th December 2025
 
Note that (some or all?) of the NR versions are valid to 12 December 2025! Table 133 for example. NR needs to catch up!

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369617/31264/30]
Posted by rogerw at 15:02, 16th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
6 Newquay to Par

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369616/31246/21]
Posted by matth1j at 13:55, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Don't mention the duck pond
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cderr5zy0jno

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369615/24934/26]
Posted by John D at 13:41, 16th December 2025
 
Asking questions that perhaps I should not:

* Is there some logic in having a more "cyclic" timetable which allows trains to be longer in summer and shorter in winter, allowing for more units to be under heavier maintenance when traffic levels are lower?  I appreciate that there are Newquay and Pembroke Dock difference already - though are those more vestiges of history?

* A modest thinning out of tourist services during the winter would allow for staff training to catch up and (ducks!) for staff to take their holidays away from the peak  .

* An adding of a few minutes here and there into schedules to avoid working trains to the extreme, though noting that the cycle length increase would tend to add the need for another train in the cycle, or reduce the frequency considering how short most turn rounds are already

I expect howls of "yes, but" ... but questions asked so "why not" can be explained.

I grew up in New Milton on the Bournemouth line and there was different timetables in summer and winter back in 1970s and 1980s.

Winter Sundays were completely different with the fasts continuing all stations to Brockenhurst-Weymouth (and no slow trains).  The Lymington Pier service ran to Eastleigh as all stations (except Beaulieu Road which had no trains on Sundays in winter).

Effectively the 3 trains, fast, semi-fast and slow were reduced to one or two trains

So yes it can be done (and presumably in those days it was all worked out manually on graph paper), unlike today where paths can be checked by computer.

So yes can have different timetables, depending on season, and there is examples of it in South West.  Probably just to lazy to be creative these days.

 
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