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Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369626/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:00, 16th December 2025
 
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
Facilities on the 20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06.
Will be formed of 2 coaches instead of 3.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [369625/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:56, 16th December 2025
 
Alterations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a points failure between Slough and Reading some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 16/12.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369624/31246/21]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:18, 16th December 2025
 
It has,  helped by Network Rail bunging £3m into the "Mend the Gap" fund to be spent on all kinds of worthy countryside, and wildlife projects that would not otherwise be eligible for Government (local or national) between Reading and Didcot along the line of the railway. 

I don't think though that you will find many who will say they now accept the "intrusion " of the OHL as part of the local landscape.  Pragmatically though (and perhaps a little cynically) I would suggest that NR just apply a little aesthetic sensibility to whatever they put up through Bath, go through a (token?) consultation process which lays it on thickly how much it will benefit the local environment and economy and just do it.

BTW - was there such a furore when the East Coast main line was electrified through Durham, with that magnificent view of the cathedral in the background?

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369622/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 16:31, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
5: Between Yeovil Junction and Pen Mill Monday to Friday.

I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!

Yes, it is ... but I would STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST walking between these two stations

Re: Also available on the Coffee Shop secure (https) server
In "News, Help and Assistance" [369621/29701/29]
Posted by grahame at 16:26, 16th December 2025
 
Note that (some or all?) of the NR versions are valid to 12 December 2025! Table 133 for example. NR needs to catch up!

At the current time, you need to scroll way down to find the December to May (current) timetables.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369620/31246/21]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:22, 16th December 2025
 
[snip]

 It would have been a very serious act of vandalism to use the standard massive wiring gantries on a prominent route through a World Heritage City.

[snip]

Could our correspondent from Goring inform us please if the indignation from the good burghers of the Gap has died down over the wiring of their section of the GWML.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369619/31264/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:10, 16th December 2025
 
5: Between Yeovil Junction and Pen Mill Monday to Friday.

I notice that if you journey between Pen Mill and the Junction on a Saturday, you have to overnight there before you can get the next service back on a Sunday morning. Maybe it would be quicker to walk!

Re: Also available on the Coffee Shop secure (https) server
In "News, Help and Assistance" [369618/29701/29]
Posted by WSW Frome at 15:27, 16th December 2025
 
Note that (some or all?) of the NR versions are valid to 12 December 2025! Table 133 for example. NR needs to catch up!

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369617/31264/30]
Posted by rogerw at 15:02, 16th December 2025
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6 Newquay to Par

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369616/31246/21]
Posted by matth1j at 13:55, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Don't mention the duck pond
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cderr5zy0jno

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369615/24934/26]
Posted by John D at 13:41, 16th December 2025
 
Asking questions that perhaps I should not:

* Is there some logic in having a more "cyclic" timetable which allows trains to be longer in summer and shorter in winter, allowing for more units to be under heavier maintenance when traffic levels are lower?  I appreciate that there are Newquay and Pembroke Dock difference already - though are those more vestiges of history?

* A modest thinning out of tourist services during the winter would allow for staff training to catch up and (ducks!) for staff to take their holidays away from the peak  .

* An adding of a few minutes here and there into schedules to avoid working trains to the extreme, though noting that the cycle length increase would tend to add the need for another train in the cycle, or reduce the frequency considering how short most turn rounds are already

I expect howls of "yes, but" ... but questions asked so "why not" can be explained.

I grew up in New Milton on the Bournemouth line and there was different timetables in summer and winter back in 1970s and 1980s.

Winter Sundays were completely different with the fasts continuing all stations to Brockenhurst-Weymouth (and no slow trains).  The Lymington Pier service ran to Eastleigh as all stations (except Beaulieu Road which had no trains on Sundays in winter).

Effectively the 3 trains, fast, semi-fast and slow were reduced to one or two trains

So yes it can be done (and presumably in those days it was all worked out manually on graph paper), unlike today where paths can be checked by computer.

So yes can have different timetables, depending on season, and there is examples of it in South West.  Probably just to lazy to be creative these days.

M20 in Kent: Operation Brock could be scaled back by government
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369614/31272/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:59, 16th December 2025
 
From the BBC:


Operation Brock sees lorries heading to Dover queue on one side of the M20

The government is considering introducing a scaled-back version of a traffic-holding measure for vehicles queueing to cross the English Channel.

Operation Brock, a contraflow system on the M20 coast-bound in Kent, currently runs between junction eight, near Leeds Castle, and junction nine, near Ashford.

But the Department of Transport (DfT) is looking at starting it further down the motorway to try to stop lorries cutting through nearby villages. "We recognise the impact Operation Brock has on residents, which is why we continue to work closely with the Kent and Medway Resilience Forum to improve safety, reduce local disruption, and develop longer-term traffic management solutions," a DfT spokesperson said.

Operation Brock can currently be used to park 2,000 lorries, but Brock 2 or Mini Brock, as it is being called, could see that decrease to about 1,700. The last time Operation Brock was completely full was in the summer of 2022.

Helen Whately, MP for Faversham and Mid Kent, said Operation Brock was "beyond infuriating" and that she backed the push for a scaled-back version. "Brock jams up our roads when traffic grinds to a halt, lorries cut through villages, and families face delays getting to work," she said. "It was meant to be only for emergencies, now it's a regular headache."

Operation Brock is funded by the DfT, with decisions on its use made by the Kent and Medway Resilience Forum. On average, the operation costs about £250,000 each time it is deployed, a Freedom of Information request revealed.

The scheme was put in place overnight on Monday and was expected to be removed overnight on 22 December, with the motorway reopening as normal on 23 December.

The Kent and Medway Resilience Forum said if traffic started to build, drivers should check their route before setting off, allow extra time for their journey and pack their car with essentials, including food, water and medication.

In July, Kent County Council said it was looking for alternatives to Operation Brock, including an off-road lorry facility to try to ease congestion.


Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369613/24934/26]
Posted by a-driver at 12:53, 16th December 2025
 
This would make sense - I'm right in thinking that the 802s are GWRs own trains that they specced at the higher power rating for the GUs?, while the 800s are those that Hitachi own & specced to the DfT requirement & are lower rated?

So putting the 800s under less long-distance working off the wires? Ties in with the amended timetable starting on January 5th....

This was originally the case when they were first introduced but the 800s now have the equivalent power output as an 802.  It’s just a software change. 

As for a timetable change.... The number of GU's isolated has dropped significantly so I can't see them making that decision now.  They believe the problem is related to contaminated fuel (salt specifically)

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369612/31264/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 12:51, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
There's a good YouTube video by Geoff Marshall which shows the operation of the Marlow branch, with guest star one Mark Hopwood.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWf8LkRtgX0

Re: AI videos simulating railway accidents
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369611/31188/49]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:28, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 


The pig bottom left looks like it might be a leaning jowler - that's 15 points!

Re: AI videos simulating railway accidents
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369610/31188/49]
Posted by broadgage at 11:24, 16th December 2025
 
Also lack of space between up and down lines, and no lineside fencing.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369609/31246/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:24, 16th December 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
Travelled past Sydney Gardens last Saturday on a diverted London-bound IET. If the good burghers of Bath really cared about the local environment as much as they claim how come they haven't forced their council to immediately remove the graffiti that I observed?

I don't think you can really compare a major investment programme - electrifying the railway - with a minor act of vandalism. The wiring through Bath (when, hopefully, it happens) will be a prominent feature for decades. It is important to get it right. It would have been a very serious act of vandalism to use the standard massive wiring gantries on a prominent route through a World Heritage City.

How should they go about 'forcing' their council to clean up a mess that the council didn't create? Bath's council would be unusual if it had much spare cash lying around.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369608/24934/26]
Posted by ray951 at 10:21, 16th December 2025
 
This would make sense - I'm right in thinking that the 802s are GWRs own trains that they specced at the higher power rating for the GUs?, while the 800s are those that Hitachi own & specced to the DfT requirement & are lower rated?

So putting the 800s under less long-distance working off the wires? Ties in with the amended timetable starting on January 5th....

That doesn’t make sense to me unless the issue is related to ownership or age (with the 800 being older than the 802) rather than a mechanical fault.

I say this because, all else being equal, an engine that produces more power usually experiences greater stress and heat, which increases the likelihood of failure compared to a lower-powered unit of the same type.
If the engines in the 800 are being downrated (is this true or are they already down-rated?), that suggests the problem is linked to the extra heat and stress. So, wouldn’t it make more sense to assign the lower-powered units to the longer journeys instead of the higher-powered ones as they presumably have a lower chance of failure? I appreciate that would impact on the timings but better to take longer than not arrive at all.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369607/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:58, 16th December 2025
 
3.  The Maidenhead-Marlow branch, which at peak times is operated as two linked hops.

Yep ... how to increase frequency when trains can't pass each other.   Also (I think) allows a longer peak train on the Marlow to Bourne End section than can get round to Marlow.

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369606/24934/26]
Posted by grahame at 08:41, 16th December 2025
 
Asking questions that perhaps I should not:

* Is there some logic in having a more "cyclic" timetable which allows trains to be longer in summer and shorter in winter, allowing for more units to be under heavier maintenance when traffic levels are lower?  I appreciate that there are Newquay and Pembroke Dock difference already - though are those more vestiges of history?

* A modest thinning out of tourist services during the winter would allow for staff training to catch up and (ducks!) for staff to take their holidays away from the peak  .

* An adding of a few minutes here and there into schedules to avoid working trains to the extreme, though noting that the cycle length increase would tend to add the need for another train in the cycle, or reduce the frequency considering how short most turn rounds are already

* Saving trains / stock and improving reliability and even some frequencies by having long distance trains pick up some intermediate calls.  I could horrify Devon friends by suggesting that the Exeter - Paignton stopper every 30 minutes could, once every 2 hours, be the through train from London Paddington, for example.

I expect howls of "yes, but" ... but questions asked so "why not" can be explained.

Boston Tea Party - 16th December 1773
In "The Lighter Side" [369605/31271/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:15, 16th December 2025
 
We could serve tea as well as coffee ...

On this day, 16th December 1773, the "Boston Tea Party" was held - from Britannica
On this day in 1773, a group of men dressed in Mohawk headdresses and cheered by a crowd of thousands threw tea belonging to the British East India Company into Boston Harbor. Britain's punitive response to the Boston Tea Party, which was a protest against taxes, helped push American colonists closer to war.

Only tangentially related to transport, but our "On this day" otherwise suggested "no events reported" ...

I was thinking, for 2026 ... oh, never mind ... we still have a couple of weeks to plan and get ideas together.  And our coffee shop seems much more civilised that their tea party if reports from the time are to be believed.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369604/31264/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 08:05, 16th December 2025
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3.  The Maidenhead-Marlow branch, which at peak times is operated as two linked hops.

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369603/31264/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:02, 16th December 2025
 
Perhaps timetables are my thing too 

1. Looks to me like the North Cotswolds line out of Paddington, showing the direct trains to Oxford with calls at Slough (none shown), Reading, Didcot Parkway (again none shown), plus the 1704 ‘Halts Turbo’ from Didcot Parkway, as far as Kingham.

Spot on ... and please feel free to fill in more answers.  Good to know I have a fellow timetable aficionado

Re: New timetables - but from where to where? AQ25 - 15th
In "The Lighter Side" [369602/31264/30]
Posted by brooklea at 07:59, 16th December 2025
 
Perhaps timetables are my thing too 

1. Looks to me like the North Cotswolds line out of Paddington, showing the direct trains to Oxford with calls at Slough (none shown), Reading, Didcot Parkway (again none shown), plus the 1704 ‘Halts Turbo’ from Didcot Parkway, as far as Kingham.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369601/31246/21]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:55, 16th December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Travelled past Sydney Gardens last Saturday on a diverted London-bound IET. If the good burghers of Bath really cared about the local environment as much as they claim how come they haven't forced their council to immediately remove the graffiti that I observed?

Re: Problems with IET trains from April 2021
In "Across the West" [369600/24934/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 07:43, 16th December 2025
 
This would make sense - I'm right in thinking that the 802s are GWRs own trains that they specced at the higher power rating for the GUs?, while the 800s are those that Hitachi own & specced to the DfT requirement & are lower rated?

So putting the 800s under less long-distance working off the wires? Ties in with the amended timetable starting on January 5th....

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369599/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 07:41, 16th December 2025
 
175001 is due out at 1340 Plymouth-Penzance-Plymouth same as Monday

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P22971/2025-12-16/detailed#allox_id=0

175003 is out now on a training run to Penzance and back.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:V63761/2025-12-16/detailed#allox_id=1

 
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