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Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370909/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 17:14, 11th January 2026
 
13:54 Chippenham to Weymouth due 15:45

13:54 Chippenham to Weymouth due 15:45 will no longer call at Frome.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.

... which means ... exactly what, GWR ?

Your text is just random words, selected from the Oxford Dictionary.


It's a piece of text that's used when a "whoopsie" is found in the temporary timetable around engineering.  

In this case, 5M11 ECS arrived as normal at Frome at 13:43.  It normally sets off at 14:05 for Swindon, clearing in good time for the 14:28 call of the (Swindon, but today Chippenham) to Weymouth train.  However, the trains from Frome can't go as far as Swindon today - only to Chippenham - and so it didn't leave until 14:38.    Frome has just one platform ...

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370908/31359/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:03, 11th January 2026
 
Today, we have removed the Frome stop from this service.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370907/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:54, 11th January 2026
 
13:54 Chippenham to Weymouth due 15:45

13:54 Chippenham to Weymouth due 15:45 will no longer call at Frome.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.

... which means ... exactly what, GWR ?

Your text is just random words, selected from the Oxford Dictionary.

Re: Weather updates from across the UK and implications for infrastructure - 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370906/31355/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:45, 11th January 2026
 
From the BBC:

Weather risk brings flooding as snow warnings downgraded

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Drivers face deep water on rural roads near Parkhill in Aberdeenshire

Heavy rain and melting snow has brought flooding to parts of Scotland, after a week of winter weather disruption.

Scotland's environment agency Sepa has issued a series of alerts as the Met Office downgraded a weekend warning for further snow.

Many roads in North East Scotland have been hit by floodwater after last week's freezing temperatures eased on Sunday.

Emergency services were called to deep water on A92 at Portlethen and the A90 at Toll of Birness, with various other reports of flooding across the region.

An amber snow alert in central Scotland, Grampian and the Highlands had been due to run until 15:00 on Sunday, but ended at 11:00. A yellow warning lapsed at 14:00

Yellow warnings for wind and rain have been put in place overnight until 10:00 on Monday.

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Cars navigate the flooded A90 near Portlethen in Aberdeenshire

In Orkney, a flood warning is in place for the Churchill Barriers causeway. It connects the main island to South Ronaldsay through Burray and the islands of Lamb Holm and Glimps Holm.

In the south of Scotland, Sepa has also issued a warning over rising river levels in Newton Stewart. A series of less severe flood alerts are in place in other parts of the country.

Pascal Lardet, Sepa flood duty manager, said: "With rainfall forecast to spread north and as temperatures rise following recent cold conditions, rain and thaw of lying snow will increase the risk of flooding. Possible impacts could include flooding of low lying land, roads and individual properties."

In Argyll, road management firm Bear Scotland said traffic from the A83 Rest and Be Thankful had been rerouted as a precaution due to forecast rain. Bear Scotland's Euan Scott said: "Heavy rainfall is expected throughout Sunday, which will increase saturation levels on the hillside. We have therefore made the decision to utilise the Old Military Road as a proactive safety measure."

The firm said a decision to lift the diversion would be made after a hillside inspection on Monday. The flooding comes after Scotland faced a week of snow and ice disruption across northern areas.

More than 250 schools remained closed on Friday, including more than 150 in Aberdeenshire, dozens in the Highlands and Aberdeen, and a number in Moray. Aberdeen City Council said all schools should be open again on Monday. Many pupils had a whole week off school at the start of the new term.

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A worker closes snow gates in Spittal of Glenshee near the Cairngorms


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I would have driven a Mercedes Sprinter van through Image not available to guests - but I was a professional delivery driver, until I retired. CfN. Image not available to guests

Re: Wales explorer 4 in 8 part 4
In "Introductions and chat" [370905/31419/1]
Posted by Hafren at 16:26, 11th January 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
[...] (Also, why does the railway have 'Penalty fare areas'? Either they're checking ticketing universally or they're not...) [...]

Thinking about the areas that have had Penalty Fares for longest, which as far as I'm aware are in the former Network SouthEast area, the following apply/ied:

• A large proportion of trains were DOO.
• A relatively large proportion of stations were staffed, and the rest (and staffed stations out of hours) had ticket machines for cash purchases for local journeys, and PERTIS machines to cover for other needs.

These conditions increased the need for and utility of Penalty Fares because:

• Without frequent ticket checks by guards, there were less frequent checks by RPIs (or whoever did them) and therefore the economics worked differently for the "I'll pay if I'm checked" passenger.
• Passengers mostly had the opportunity to buy a ticket, or at least pick up a permit to travel, and therefore there wouldn't be too many "gotchas" that genuinely didn't have the opportunity to buy a ticket or at least show intent to purchase.

Now that self-service ticket machines are more widespread, perhaps the second point is less important these days, and thus PFs can spread to provincial routes. With more people travelling perhaps the first point works differently now, as perhaps guards can't get through everyone, or for some other reason the "need" for PFs (in the eyes of the operators) has changed. This means the PF map now looks like a random patchwork.

I note that when TfW started PFs (or somehting similar) in the Valleys, there were comments about people having to allow extra time to buy their ticket as they were "no longer allowed" to board without a ticket at their local staffed station. Errr... you were never "allowed" - you've just been given a new deterrent!

Re: TfW: carriage washing.
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [370904/31431/23]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:24, 11th January 2026
 
I would imagine that carriage washers have been frozen solid since Christmas?

TfW: carriage washing.
In "Shorter journeys in South and West Wales" [370903/31431/23]
Posted by Mark A at 16:17, 11th January 2026
 
Thinking back to last week's travel, are there parts of their network other than the lines serving mid-Wales and the Cambrian Coast for which TfW do not have the kit to wash train exteriors (at least, presumably the depot at Machynlleth does not have a carriage washer otherwise they'd surely be using it). I recall the shorter distance trains that run to Warrington as being clean, the valley lines metro train from Merthyr was squeaky clean, or had started out that way, and the Cardiff - Manchester services were clean. Not sure where the trains that run via the likes of Builth Road are serviced or their current state of exterior cleanliness, at one time they weren't brilliant.

Mark

Customer and Community Improvement Fund (CCIF) 2026/27
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [370902/31430/34]
Posted by grahame at 15:56, 11th January 2026
 
https://www.gwr.com/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/community/community-investment

Customer and Community Improvement Fund 2026/27

GWR are delighted to announce we are inviting bids to our Customer and Community Improvement Fund for the financial year 2026/27.

The fund will open to bids on Monday 5 January at 12:00 and close to bids on Monday 2 February at 12:00.

Our Customer and Community Improvement Fund is designed to support small and medium rail related projects that can be completed over the course of the 2026/27 financial year. Our maximum bid amount is £25,000 and we welcome a wide range of applications, particularly from organisations who haven't worked with us previously or who propose innovative projects.

We are particularly interested in schemes that benefit customers, increase rail travel, encourage carbon reduction, connect communities, people, and places, support economic growth, promote inclusion and diversity, and educational programmes that support careers in rail.

A good bid will show a strong level of community involvement and support, and the proposal will have benefits that last beyond the duration of the project.

Important information for bids

Bids must be related to the railway and proposals which don't relate in some way to customers (or potential customers), stations, railway property, rail services, rail education or careers in rail will not be considered.

Bids which involve installations at stations (for example, murals, artwork, signage, wayfinding, platform furniture etc.) will require consultation with GWR before bid submission. Please contact us at community.fund@gwr.com to discuss further.

Re: GWR passenger representative forum??
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370901/31426/2]
Posted by grahame at 15:40, 11th January 2026
 
Still on their web site, but no dates, mind.

Mark

https://www.gwr.com/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/meet-the-manager

"Regular" doing some extraordinarily heavy lifting there.

Leap years are regular ...

We've had "Meet the Manager" session on the Coffee Shop over the years, as recent as October 2024.  With technology moving on, perhaps we are not the best forum for those these days, but something *is* needed.

We anticipate their being a senior GWR manager at the TWSW general meeting on 6th March, and there should be a chance to network engage.  You will see I have use woolly words "anticipate" and "should" in there, and TWSW is not a forum for all - rather for reps of user groups.  There is a degree of flexibility there for independent transport advocates to attend - needs to be agreed / booked ahead.

Re: GWR passenger representative forum??
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370900/31426/2]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:34, 11th January 2026
 
Ah. Image not available to guests  Cue my own ongoing grievance about the misuse of 'regular v frequent'.

'Regular' could be, for example, 'once every 100 years'.

'Frequent' could be, again for example (and in railway terminology), 'once every three months'.

CfN.

Re: GWR passenger representative forum??
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370899/31426/2]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:18, 11th January 2026
 
Still on their web site, but no dates, mind.

Mark

https://www.gwr.com/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/meet-the-manager

"Regular" doing some extraordinarily heavy lifting there.

Re: Storm Goretti 'weather bomb' to hit South West England
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [370898/31405/25]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:12, 11th January 2026
 
I saw a tweet that said the Falmouth line was open, though with cancellations

Re: North Sea ferries - case for re-opening routes?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [370897/31429/5]
Posted by Mark A at 15:01, 11th January 2026
 
If there was a convenient port in the south of England, add a call there and they'll have reinvented Motorrail to Scotland.

Mark

North Sea ferries - case for re-opening routes?
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [370896/31429/5]
Posted by grahame at 14:56, 11th January 2026
 
From Time Out.

How committed are you to slow travel? So committed that you would swap a swift two-hour flight from Scotland to France for a 20-hour ride on open water? Soon, that could be a very real option.

Danish company DFDS wants to launch a brand new ferry service from the port of Rosyth (around half an hour from Edinburgh) to the French city of Dunkirk this year.

A very real and useful option - top left to bottom right on the North Sea.  Is there a case for a bottom left to top right service? I recall making businss trips from Harwich to Oslo, back from Gothenburg, and also trip from Newcastle to Bergen.   The Harwich to Esbjerg service is no more - the most northerly you'll get on the mainland now is in the Netherlands.    Is there a case for a Harwich to Hirshals and / or Kristiansand service?

Re: GWR passenger representative forum??
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370895/31426/2]
Posted by Mark A at 14:55, 11th January 2026
 
Still on their web site, but no dates, mind.

Mark

https://www.gwr.com/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/meet-the-manager

Re: Why survey for bats?
In "Railway History and related topics" [370894/31427/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:55, 11th January 2026
 
Thanks for posting that, Mark.  Ah, those four-hundred-year-old railway bridges, eh?  Image not available to guests

YouTube has a whole board based on the demolition work of 'Blaster Bates', at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzbCG8ICvmluYV8aa8zh7w

I commend it to our readers - there's some very funny material there!  Image not available to guests

Re: Wales explorer 4 in 8 part 4
In "Introductions and chat" [370893/31419/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:30, 11th January 2026
 
... Shrug shoulders and move on.

Indeed.  About two months ago, after a medical appointment at the BRI (the hospital, not the railway station, bobm Image not available to guests ), I walked to (the other) BRI and bought a single ticket to Nailsea.

The train was delayed, by well over 15 minutes, but I simply got the next available one to get me home.

I couldn't be bothered to make a claim on 'delay / repay': I'd have got a notional refund of rather less than a pint in Wetherspoon's, for example.  Image not available to guests

CfN.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [370892/31371/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 14:29, 11th January 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Nothing mentioned on JourneyCheck re short-forms but the entire service on the north Cotswold line today is made up of five car units. This is very unusual as normally nine car units make up the majority of the Sunday service.

Re: GWR passenger representative forum??
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370891/31426/2]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:14, 11th January 2026
 
............I can remember a time when GWR managers used to spend time meeting their customers at stations and listening to their concerns in person...........I believe that forum was called "Meet the Manager" - seems to have fallen into abeyance now though.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line" [370890/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 14:11, 11th January 2026
 
13:54 Chippenham to Weymouth due 15:45

13:54 Chippenham to Weymouth due 15:45 will no longer call at Frome.
This is due to a short-notice change to the timetable.

Re: Wales explorer 4 in 8 part 4
In "Introductions and chat" [370889/31419/1]
Posted by grahame at 14:08, 11th January 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Also, Graham's experience with respect to a rover ticket when opportunities for travel were curtailed by Covid restrictions... that was poor.

Yes, it was. But at the time everyone was far more concerned with the huge business of covid and I felt that although the treatment was poor ("trains were still running - not our decision that you could not use them" as I recall) it was not a time to follow-up and make a song and dance over it.  Pragmatic acceptance as sometimes happens.

I have had similar thoughts with regard delay / repay claims on rangers and rovers ... and in Interrail ticket compensations too. There have been a couple of occasions where significant delays have been suffered but ... yes ... I believe it's worked out by dividing down the cost over the number of active days, and then based on an assumption of a return trip on that day.   I am planning a 7 day Freedom of North East at £101.45 in a few weeks - that's £14.50 a day and so £7.25 per single journey.  So for delay of just under an hour, I would get £3.63 back.  Shrug shoulders and move on.

Re: Survey - Making a success of rail reform - Campaign for Better Transport
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [370888/31424/40]
Posted by johnneyw at 14:03, 11th January 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A
 
Just completed the survey, and yes, it does rather focus your attention of what it is that you want/expect from GBR.... although I now realise that I forgot to mention in the  appropriate free text area that I prefer the old BR title, which I rather expect most people will refer to it as over time anyway.

Commuting to Uni - not so new, or was I ahead of the times?
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370887/31428/51]
Posted by grahame at 13:51, 11th January 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Mark A, rogerw
 
From The BBC

My three-hour university commute is worth the £7,000 saving on halls

On a packed morning train to Manchester, 19-year-old Amelka Zambrzycka is surrounded by commuters heading into work.

There isn't a suitable bus from her mum's house in Horwich, on the other side of Bolton, so she has just walked the 25 minutes to the station - as she does every morning - despite the freezing weather.

But Amelka isn't on her way to work. She's a first-year biology student, one of hundreds of thousands of undergraduates who now choose to live at home rather than paying for university halls

I can identify with this.  I studies studied at The City University, lived at Petts Wood in north west Kent with my patents parents, and commuted ... 20 minutes walk to station, 45 minutes by train to Holborn Viaduct and then a further 20 minutes walk (through Smithfield meat market!) up toward The Angel.  I missed out on the social side of Uni, but with lectures on only 4 days a week I was left either time to work / earn my keep the other day and at weekends, and to make use of my train time reading, making (illegible!) notes and to thinking things through.


Edit note: Two of grahame's trademark typos corrected, for clarity. CfN.

Re: Somerset to Sydney without flying
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [370886/28286/52]
Posted by broadgage at 13:44, 11th January 2026
 
My friend is currently in the USA having travelled thereto by container ship.
Weather very cold with snow and high winds.
Nice and warm on board.
Food was excellent, and included Beef Wellington.
They intend to return on a second cargo ship, or possibly the same one.

Why survey for bats?
In "Railway History and related topics" [370885/31427/55]
Posted by Mark A at 13:37, 11th January 2026
 
Surprised that this film isn't used as an exemplar for what happens when we do not survey for bats. Also, Coffeeshop readers might like to read the description and play "Spot the error".

Film from 1962 hosted on BFI: the marines demolish a bridge using explosives. Most of the debris falls to the ground, some of it takes to the wing and flies away in terror. The fate of the lamb is not recorded.

Mark

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-royal-demolition-1962-online

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370884/31376/51]
Posted by Mark A at 13:31, 11th January 2026
 
Thanks for this, appreciated. It also appears as if some parts of their site are dead or not implemented.

Mark

Re: GWR passenger representative forum??
In "Who's who on Western railways" [370883/31426/2]
Posted by grahame at 13:29, 11th January 2026
 
Does GWR still have a forum that they use to gather feedback from their passengers? ...

Their management has a stakeholder conference where one can engage with any & all varieties of management once a year - yet to hear whether a 2026 version will be taking place.

The definition of Stakeholder has been an interesting one, with a strong slant towards players other than passengers / passenger groups.  Much more a business to business and government affair.

Meantime, their management will & do engage with many user groups throughout the year at station manager & above. If you ever have a problem, drop a line to their Head of PR, Thomas Lydon. He will either deal, or find a more suitable manager.

Good advise,  and I / we for WWRUG appreciate those engagements as far as they go.  But yet at the same time, this route won't necessarily get you beyond an official answer  (and perhaps to a different question than the one you asked) and may not get the problem itself addressed.  But then a passenger rep forum (the topic of this thread) gives passengers a chance to make inputs, with no assurance of any answers. At such meetings GWR can, will and should give you a customer update, and those updates tend to be marketing lead rather than addressing passenger feedback.

Re: Defibrillators on the railways - at stations and on board trains (merged topics)
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370882/17500/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:26, 11th January 2026
 
In the course of my browsing the Coffee Shop forum (as I tend to do, as an administrator Image not available to guests ) I found that we had three topics, on different boards, relating specifically to defibrillators.

I have therefore moved and merged them all here - as ever, in the interests of consistency and ease of future reference.

Hope this helps, CfN. Image not available to guests

Re: Storm Goretti 'weather bomb' to hit South West England
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [370881/31405/25]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 13:19, 11th January 2026
Already liked by Mark A, rogerw
 
Stop Press: my Penryn correspondent tells me they've just spotted a train!

Re: Point to point passenger numbers since the pandemic
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [370880/31376/51]
Posted by grahame at 13:07, 11th January 2026
 
Anyway... who are 'Trainslive', anyone? It's worth spending a few minutes on their site's home page.

Hard to find much ... their data is very much open data sources (many of which we have and used on the Coffee Shop) but much of it is far better done than we have done.  https://trainslive.uk/about-the-sunset-update

The wayback machine gives no clue - it crawled just once - the blank page when the site was first registered on 27th December 2021 (clue - hobbyist project for Christmas?) with 123 reg, and I conjecture that one of the early thing done was to add a strong GO AWAY message to crawlers via a robots.txt file.


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To everyone who has used, shared, and supported trainslive.uk over the past four years - thank you. This journey from a simple departures board to a comprehensive railway platform wouldn't have been possible without you.

"The best way to end is to end well. trainslive.uk v3.10 represents not just the final update, but the completion of a vision four years in the making."
- Rick from the trainslive.uk team

Brave to go out on a "high".  Their domain is registered by/to Cloudflaire and actual owners redacted, so no source of evidence there.  I find myself guessing as to whether their team wants to move on, and / or whether they have funding issues, and / or whether they find their server loads and admin mushrooming with all the AI crawlers, and / or whether things have moved on to apps and social media and getting new membership and engagement has become an issue.  All guesses based on what else I have seen - I do't actually know.  I also note sites like railway data - https://www.railwaydata.co.uk - which provide some similarity of content.


 
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