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Re: Northumberland Line - reopened December 2024, further developments possible
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [373724/29569/28]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:59, 30th March 2026
 
Nice idea and good publicity.

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373723/31804/5]
Posted by Mark A at 12:50, 30th March 2026
 
Reflecting that the 'Royal Iris' will have been on Mersea ferry duties at the time of a long ago family visit with a vehicle to Belfast c. 1965 - at a time when the ferry to Belfast ran from I think it was Princes Dock, so, the ferry needed to access the dock via a sea lock from the river.

I've a single memory of... was it arriving back in Liverpool after the overnight crossing - the ferry locking through and the general impression, to a youngie, of arriving in a great city teeming with unfamiliar activities. (This was the same city that my father-in-law, during WW2, had become completly lost as overnight bombing had utterly changed the streets through which he travelled to work to the extent that they were unrecognisable).

Mark

Re: Rail external communications: setting the tone.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373722/31801/51]
Posted by Mark A at 12:25, 30th March 2026
 
I learn that the frog gets its name from the frog of a horse's hoof which is somewhat 'V' shaped. Railways and horses existing in close company, the term 'Frog' jumped from one to the other given the similarity with the V shape of the join of the rails that formed the crossing.

Mark

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373721/31804/5]
Posted by Clan Line at 12:22, 30th March 2026
 
..............  and how desperately run down and dilapidated much of Liverpool was back then.  All those politicians and journalists who twitter on today about "Broken Britain " should have seen Liverpool 8 back then.

I was visiting Liverpool at about that time, the frigate I was serving on was taking part in the Battle of The Atlantic commemorations and was in Bootle docks. I went into Liverpool with my run ashore "oppo", we walked out of Lime St station, took one look, went back into the station and bought tickets to Manchester !!

Having said that - I have been there a lot more recently and was really impressed with how much it had improved...............

Re: Rail external communications: setting the tone.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373720/31801/51]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:18, 30th March 2026
 
When did "points" become "switches" or is there a difference?  And surely crossings and not (usually) moveable?

There isn't a difference, but Permanent Way professionals will call what are loosely called "points" but the name of switches and crossings, or S&C.  The moveable blades end is called the switch, and the crossing is the cast steel bit where one rail is crossed by the other rail in a "V".  If Hornby is your thing, this crossing bit is sometimes called a "frog".  The moveable blades end is the toe of the switch, with the heel being at the crossing

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373719/31804/5]
Posted by Mark A at 12:07, 30th March 2026
 
The replacement ferry... its looks will fit right in, it's very much a mersey ferry.

Mark

https://www.merseyferries.co.uk/about-us/new-ferry/

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [373718/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:42, 30th March 2026
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and Newbury

Due to a points failure between Reading and Westbury all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:15 30/03.

Train services between Reading and Newbury may be cancelled or diverted.

Re: Northumberland Line - reopened December 2024, further developments possible
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [373717/29569/28]
Posted by grahame at 11:37, 30th March 2026
 
From the BBC

Terriers are being welcomed aboard trains at a station which shares their name on a reopened railway line.

Bedlington Station finally opened on Sunday as part of the Northumberland Line between Ashington and Newcastle, which reopened in December 2024.

Operator Northern said the first 25 Bedlington terriers to arrive at the station on Monday between 10:00 and 12:00 BST would earn their owners a free travel pass.

Re: Rail external communications: setting the tone.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373716/31801/51]
Posted by grahame at 11:33, 30th March 2026
 
Good to see Network Rail emphasis the positive too.

REMINDER: Britain’s rail network open for business this Easter – but passengers asked to check before they travel on some key routes


The vast majority of Britain’s rail network will be open for passengers travelling over the Easter bank holiday weekend, helping them make the most of their spring break.

Lots of work on the West Coast mainline and also

London Waterloo to Clapham Junction and around Winchester: From Friday 3 to Monday 6 April the renewal of switches and crossings (moveable sections of track that guide trains from one track to another) and structural repairs will mean reduced services between London Waterloo and Clapham Junction, while track improvements in Hampshire will mean buses replace trains between Winchester and Southampton over all four days of the bank holiday.

When did "points" become "switches" or is there a difference?  And surely crossings and not (usually) moveable?

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [373715/28982/26]
Posted by REVUpminster at 11:31, 30th March 2026
 
The first 3 car in passenger service. Not one that has been through Wolverton.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P22967/2026-03-30/detailed#allox_id=0

Open access Bristol - Oxford - Nottingham proposal dropped
In "Oxford, Didcot and Reading from the West" [373714/31805/22]
Posted by grahame at 11:21, 30th March 2026
 
From Rail Magazine

Plans for an open access service between Nottingham and Bristol Temple Meads have been dropped.

Consultancy firm SLC had proposed eight trains a day via East West Rail and Oxford, using the name Midland Central & Western Railway (MCWR).

However, the application has been withdrawn, with the expected introduction of Great Western Railway’s Oxford-Bristol services identified as a key factor.

GWR has applied to run two-hourly services six days a week, increasing to hourly in 2027. At present it runs two return trips on Saturdays.

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373713/31804/5]
Posted by johnneyw at 10:50, 30th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I wonder what will happen to it?  There was a old Mersey Ferry "Egremont" that spent many years after it's ferry service days as the floating base for the Salcombe based Island Cruising Club in the Kingsbridge Estuary.  Sadly, the periodic maintenance costs inevitably began to mount over the decades so she had to be given up and I last saw her a few years back languishing in Sharpness docks looking in quite a sorry state.
As an aside, in my student days, I spent a very chilly night stuck on her after being persuaded (post pub) to join the people from the sailing course who were residing on her for an on board party.

Re: West Somerset Railway - Bishops Lydeard, near Taunton, to Minehead
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [373712/2688/47]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 10:06, 30th March 2026
Already liked by bradshaw
 
https://twitter.com/NickDavid0655/status/2038540285345403050?


For something that was arranged so hastily, the WSR50 weekend was a great event.  The weather was helpful, the trains ran more-or-less to time

The re-creation of the 1000 first train from Minehead to Blue Anchor on 28th March went very well, with 0-6-0ST "Victor" in the very capable hands of Ray Lee, son of the driver of the day back in 1976 and WSR legend Harry Lee

A weekend of catching up with great friends, reminiscing and enjoying the event.

Someone told me that I am the last survivor of the pre-opening company payroll.  I do spend time thinking of the great people I worked with that we have lost over the years

I'm so please the railway is still there for all to enjoy, even if there's a sadness that our original intention to bring a pbublic service railway back to life between Minehad and Taunton has yet to be achieved

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373711/31804/5]
Posted by Mark A at 09:58, 30th March 2026
 
Drat: I'd like to be aboard for a Manchester Ship Canal cruise but for good measure, all the way to Manchester and I don't think those happen. Having, in an oil tanker of all things, been across the Barton swing aqueduct, at what must have been 8.30 in the morning, and in the process been what I was informed is called 'Tanked' it would be good to travel beneath it too and be the cause of some other boat being tanked. This year, though, they don't know quite how their ferry fleet will be.

Mark

https://www.merseyferries.co.uk/our-cruises/manchester-ship-canal-cruise/

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373709/31804/5]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:33, 30th March 2026
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
I'd take the Torpoint Ferry over that rusty old tub full of Scousers any day of the week! 

Graham might have used it to get to school !

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373708/31804/5]
Posted by eightonedee at 07:44, 30th March 2026
 
Wow! Who would have thought that the ferry I last used on my first visit to Liverpool back in 1980, which hardly seemed a paragon of modernity back then, would still be in use today.

Two other abiding memories of that trip ,- how cheap the beer was in New Brighton,  and how desperately run down and dilapidated much of Liverpool was back then.  All those politicians and journalists who twitter on today about "Broken Britain " should have seen Liverpool 8 back then.

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373707/31804/5]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 04:40, 30th March 2026
 
Ferry cross the Tamar doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.   

However there is a link.  The Royal Iris was launched in Devon in 1959.

I'd take the Torpoint Ferry over that rusty old tub full of Scousers any day of the week! 

Re: Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373706/31804/5]
Posted by bobm at 02:45, 30th March 2026
Already liked by GBM, Mark A
 
Ferry cross the Tamar doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.   

However there is a link.  The Royal Iris was launched in Devon in 1959.

Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years in service
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [373705/31804/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:48, 29th March 2026
 
From the BBC:

Ferry crosses the Mersey on final voyage after 66 years


Launched in 1959, the Royal Iris will be replaced by a new vessel

An "iconic" ferry that crossed on the River Mersey for 66 years has set sail on its final voyage.

The Royal Iris of the Mersey featured in the 1965 film Ferry Cross the Mersey, starring the band Gerry and the Pacemakers, who also sang the legendary title song.

It is set to be replaced by the new £26m vessel Royal Daffodil later this year, with an interim service to be run on the Snowdrop, a vessel nicknamed the Dazzle Ferry because of its design by Sir Peter Blake, who created the Beatles' Sgt Pepper album cover.

Liam Phelan of the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, said the Royal Iris is estimated to have carried more than 17 million people since 1960 between Liverpool and Wirral. "Locally, she's as iconic probably as the Graces and the Mersey Tunnels," he added. "She's part of the history of the Mersey and obviously today's a bit of a sad day for us."

(BBC article continues)


Rather poignant for me: I, too, was 'launched' in 1959, in the Devonport Hospital maternity ward overlooking the ferry there.

Re: What is happening at Dilton Marsh? Key service reduction!
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [373704/31284/20]
Posted by grahame at 21:27, 29th March 2026
 
Community report / what WWRUG would like see and consider reasonable and cost effective
https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/dmh4wwrug_20260330.pdf

Re: Two Australian states offer free public transport as war pushes up fuel prices
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [373700/31802/52]
Posted by grahame at 20:27, 29th March 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Brave decision / perhaps a good green choice.  I do not know much about Austrlian public transport, but I would make an educated guess that doing the same thing in the UK would be several orders of magnitude more expensive, and on a system which at some times is already overcrowded, perhaps making further problems.

But I do commend readers to use public transport.   Their fuel costs also go up, but are a smaller proportion of the cost?

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [373698/1219/28]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:22, 29th March 2026
 
Article in the Times newspaper.

"We live three minutes from the station — and can’t catch a train"

(The station in question: Wilmslow)

Mark

(Paywalled) https://www.thetimes.com/uk/transport/article/east-west-rail-winslow-oxford-milton-keynes-002w6bkmq

If anyone is slooking for it in print, it's in today's Sunday Times, p17.

Re: National Rail Conditions of Travel - changes from 1 April 2026 (merged topics)
In "Fare's Fair" [373696/31662/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:48, 29th March 2026
 
Announcement by the train manager on the 15:30 ex Paddington on 24th March (2026) which I was travelling on "This train does not call as Didcot and if you are travelling on split tickets changing from one ticket to another there, your tickets will not be valid.   There is revenue protection on this train". 

Has clause 14.3 been withdrawn?    The announcement by the train manager seemed to ignore it. 

A simple season/rover extension would not be defined as 'split tickets' although one could argue that they are. Split tickets definition generally involves two (or more) single/return journeys, rather than weekly or longer tickets.

However -
If making 2 return trips, both at peak times and using trains that do not call at Didcot, from Melksham to Paddington within a week, the lowest cost way has been a single to Didcot, a weekly season to Cholsey, a return from Cholsey to London an a further single Didcot to Melksham.  My understanding is that's within 14.3, but is contradicted by what the train manager said.

This would be a genuine split ticket journey, rather than a season ticket extension....so I would agree with you.

Yes - revenue protection did come through; I was not making use of this clause and did not feel inclined to raise it with them.
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