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Re: On this day - state funeral of Sir Winston Churchill 30 January 1965 Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:09, 30th January 2025 |
Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:05, 30th January 2025 |
From the BBC:
Heathrow's third runway can be built in 10 years, Reeves says
Heathrow's third runway can be built and operating in a decade's time, Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said.
Reeves told the BBC she wanted to see "spades in the ground" in the current Parliament and planes to start using the runway by 2035.
She also said that Sadiq Khan, the Labour Mayor of London who is opposed to Heathrow's expansion, could not stop the new runway.
Shadow chancellor Mel Stride said the Conservatives were in favour of a third runway at Heathrow "in principle" but "it remains to be seen" whether it can be built in a decade.
The extra runway at Heathrow was one of a number of infrastructure projects announced by the chancellor on Wednesday as part of the government's plans to boost economic growth.
"We think that we can get flights off within a decade," Reeves told the BBC. "I say that because we're not just announcing that we back it, we are changing the way that our planning system works to make it easier to deliver projects like the third runway at Heathrow."
When asked if Sadiq Khan could stop the expansion the chancellor said "no". "There can be judicial reviews but we are confident that this airport expansion will happen, that we will get the third runway built," she said.
Some have argued that it will take much longer than a decade for a third runway at Heathrow to become reality.
A formal planning process has to take place, which could take between 18 months and two years. Any judicial review of the plan could take another year and a half, while actually building the runway could take about seven years.
The airport's expansion is highly controversial - facing opposition from environmental groups, local authorities and nearby residents.
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary has called the plan "a dead cat. If it ever arrives, it will be about 2040, 2045 or 2050... it will not deliver any growth," he said on Wednesday.
The Green Party has called Heathrow's expansion the "definition of irresponsible", with the party's co-leader, Adrian Ramsay, saying it was a "fantasy" that the projects could be done without environmental damage.
Reeves was questioned over her previous opposition to the expansion of Leeds-Bradford airport over air and noise pollution grounds. "If Leeds-Bradford came back with plans to expand I would support these because I think things have changed significantly in the past few years," she said.
She said there were now more efficient plane engines and the use of sustainable aviation fuel was a "game changer". However, supplies of this fuel are currently very low. According to the European regulator EASA, they made up just 0.05% of the fuel used in the EU in 2020. It also costs much more than regular jet fuel.
The UK government has introduced a Sustainable Aviation Fuel Mandate, which stipulates that 2% of all jet fuel supplied this year must be SAF, increasing to 10% in 2030 and 22% in 2040.
The director-general of the International Air Transport Association, Willie Walsh, has cast doubt on how quickly this can be achieved. "Sustainable fuel is a real thing, but we need it in significantly greater volumes than are available today," he told LBC on Wednesday. "Mandating airlines to use a fuel source that doesn't exist today doesn't make an awful lot of sense."
Stride said that while the Conservatives backed the third runway in principle, "it will take some considerable time. If the government keeps pushing on this it will be maybe the 2040s or the 2050s or who knows before it comes off."
Despite broadly backing plans to boost the UK's infrastructure, the Conservatives have argued tax rises in the Budget and planned changes to employment rights will damage growth. "The biggest barriers to growth in this country are Rachel Reeves, Keir Starmer and their job-destroying Budget," Stride said.
As well as announcing backing for a third runway at Heathrow, the chancellor also said on Wednesday that other projects would be supported to try to boost growth in the economy. Expansions at Luton and Gatwick airports are being backed, as well as a "growth corridor" between Oxford and Cambridge, which she claimed could be "Europe's Silicon Valley". Reeves also told the BBC that when it came to planning and decision making over infrastructure projects "we need to do things differently".
It emerged last year that the HS2 rail line was spending £100m on a shield to protect bats in ancient woodland in Buckinghamshire. The chancellor said: "There are trade-offs and the balance has gone too far in the direction of always protecting every bat and every newt."
The government is setting up a fund, which builders can pay into to help nature restoration, "but not necessarily in the place the development is happening", Reeves said. "So builders can get on and build, and that money can be used for nature restoration projects elsewhere."
Separately, a leading economic think tank has warned that higher borrowing costs for the government may mean tax rises or spending cuts if it wants to stick to its own self-imposed rules. According to a report from the Resolution Foundation, the government is spending £7bn a year more paying interest on its debt than it was at the time of the Budget. As a result, the think tank said higher tax or cuts "may be needed" if the government wants to keep its promise not to spend more day-to-day than it brings in through tax.
A Treasury spokesperson told the BBC its commitment to its fiscal rules is "non-negotiable".
Heathrow's third runway can be built and operating in a decade's time, Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said.
Reeves told the BBC she wanted to see "spades in the ground" in the current Parliament and planes to start using the runway by 2035.
She also said that Sadiq Khan, the Labour Mayor of London who is opposed to Heathrow's expansion, could not stop the new runway.
Shadow chancellor Mel Stride said the Conservatives were in favour of a third runway at Heathrow "in principle" but "it remains to be seen" whether it can be built in a decade.
The extra runway at Heathrow was one of a number of infrastructure projects announced by the chancellor on Wednesday as part of the government's plans to boost economic growth.
"We think that we can get flights off within a decade," Reeves told the BBC. "I say that because we're not just announcing that we back it, we are changing the way that our planning system works to make it easier to deliver projects like the third runway at Heathrow."
When asked if Sadiq Khan could stop the expansion the chancellor said "no". "There can be judicial reviews but we are confident that this airport expansion will happen, that we will get the third runway built," she said.
Some have argued that it will take much longer than a decade for a third runway at Heathrow to become reality.
A formal planning process has to take place, which could take between 18 months and two years. Any judicial review of the plan could take another year and a half, while actually building the runway could take about seven years.
The airport's expansion is highly controversial - facing opposition from environmental groups, local authorities and nearby residents.
Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary has called the plan "a dead cat. If it ever arrives, it will be about 2040, 2045 or 2050... it will not deliver any growth," he said on Wednesday.
The Green Party has called Heathrow's expansion the "definition of irresponsible", with the party's co-leader, Adrian Ramsay, saying it was a "fantasy" that the projects could be done without environmental damage.
Reeves was questioned over her previous opposition to the expansion of Leeds-Bradford airport over air and noise pollution grounds. "If Leeds-Bradford came back with plans to expand I would support these because I think things have changed significantly in the past few years," she said.
She said there were now more efficient plane engines and the use of sustainable aviation fuel was a "game changer". However, supplies of this fuel are currently very low. According to the European regulator EASA, they made up just 0.05% of the fuel used in the EU in 2020. It also costs much more than regular jet fuel.
The UK government has introduced a Sustainable Aviation Fuel Mandate, which stipulates that 2% of all jet fuel supplied this year must be SAF, increasing to 10% in 2030 and 22% in 2040.
The director-general of the International Air Transport Association, Willie Walsh, has cast doubt on how quickly this can be achieved. "Sustainable fuel is a real thing, but we need it in significantly greater volumes than are available today," he told LBC on Wednesday. "Mandating airlines to use a fuel source that doesn't exist today doesn't make an awful lot of sense."
Stride said that while the Conservatives backed the third runway in principle, "it will take some considerable time. If the government keeps pushing on this it will be maybe the 2040s or the 2050s or who knows before it comes off."
Despite broadly backing plans to boost the UK's infrastructure, the Conservatives have argued tax rises in the Budget and planned changes to employment rights will damage growth. "The biggest barriers to growth in this country are Rachel Reeves, Keir Starmer and their job-destroying Budget," Stride said.
As well as announcing backing for a third runway at Heathrow, the chancellor also said on Wednesday that other projects would be supported to try to boost growth in the economy. Expansions at Luton and Gatwick airports are being backed, as well as a "growth corridor" between Oxford and Cambridge, which she claimed could be "Europe's Silicon Valley". Reeves also told the BBC that when it came to planning and decision making over infrastructure projects "we need to do things differently".
It emerged last year that the HS2 rail line was spending £100m on a shield to protect bats in ancient woodland in Buckinghamshire. The chancellor said: "There are trade-offs and the balance has gone too far in the direction of always protecting every bat and every newt."
The government is setting up a fund, which builders can pay into to help nature restoration, "but not necessarily in the place the development is happening", Reeves said. "So builders can get on and build, and that money can be used for nature restoration projects elsewhere."
Separately, a leading economic think tank has warned that higher borrowing costs for the government may mean tax rises or spending cuts if it wants to stick to its own self-imposed rules. According to a report from the Resolution Foundation, the government is spending £7bn a year more paying interest on its debt than it was at the time of the Budget. As a result, the think tank said higher tax or cuts "may be needed" if the government wants to keep its promise not to spend more day-to-day than it brings in through tax.
A Treasury spokesperson told the BBC its commitment to its fiscal rules is "non-negotiable".
Re: Plans for faster trains and 30 new stations Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:42, 30th January 2025 |
Sadly, in light of recent apparent comments by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, I cannot see much (any?) of this being funded before the next General Election.
To add some comment in confusion - this is the Western Gateway Partnership rather that the Western Gateway subNational Transport Body . The Partnership includes South Wales and Swindon but does not include Dorset or BPC ... the STB includes BPC and Dorset but not South Wales nor Swindon. Neither should be confused with WECA which is a member of both, Wessex which overlaps again in a different way, or Western Peninsular which is the sticky out bit that again has some overlaps.
Also worth pointing out that the future of the WG Partnership is... uncertain.
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:38, 30th January 2025 |
Thanks for raising this, Mark A.
For what it's worth, I find that I can just about tolerate these appalling seats for the time it takes to get from Bristol to London. The bar you refer to directly aligns with what I believe are referred to as my 'sit bones' - the part of the hip that carries the weight - and it is hard to imagine how anything that claims to be a 'seat' could be less comfortable.
A couple of weeks ago I had the misfortune to travel from St Erth to Bristol on an IET. I had a very thick jumper with me, and by sitting on this and moving it around from time to time I was able to stay in my seat until somewhere around Tiverton Parkway, at which point the discomfort was too much to bear and I had to stand up.
It is plainly possible to make seats which are comfortable and meet safety requirements. Someone made a terrible design choice here. I will be watching this topic with interest!
Re: On this day - state funeral of Sir Winston Churchill 30 January 1965 Posted by chuffed at 15:41, 30th January 2025 |
Love the typo spelling of hurse. I look forward to reading about hurse drawn horses.....for clarification the spelling of hurse is hearse.
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by ChrisB at 13:51, 30th January 2025 |
Keep us up to date with your progress please?
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by Mark A at 13:50, 30th January 2025 |
Hi Chris. 'Uncomfortable' in relation to seating becomes a passenger safety issue when 'Discomfort' crosses a threshold and the sitter experiences pain, which is the body's way of signalling that it's being damaged, reversibly or irreversibly.
An issue with discomfort progressing to 'Pain when sitting', is that the vulnerable systems involve nerves and also blood circulation, so this gets into 'Deep vein thrombosis' territory among other things. Certain individuals are more vulnerable than others and this is not necessarily related to age.
The IEP seats, once the filling has suffered inelastic deformation, become uncomfortable, but when this has progressed enough to result in the passenger being supported by other structures within the seat that are ill-designed for that purpose, that's become a safety issue.
An aspect of this is that the effect can be cumulative (on the passenger). That's not necessarily good news for someone who uses these trains on a daily basis.
Having received a quick response from GWR on this, the current perception from them is that this is a 'Comfort' issue rather than involving passenger safety, and I'll respond.
Mark
Re: Heathrow Airport - plans for expansion: ongoing discussion, merged posts Posted by Bob_Blakey at 13:45, 30th January 2025 |
It seems obvious to me, given that any developments at Heathrow are unlikely to happen for quite some time, that bringing the second runway at Gatwick, which I understand is currently used in emergencies only, into live use would be the best quick fix for the stated lack of capacity issues. There appears to be plenty of room for upgraded and/or new terminal facilities.
Re: Melksham to Penzance, 28th January 2025 Posted by grahame at 13:29, 30th January 2025 |
As to my spur of the moment decision, an on the day anytime return Bath Spa to Penzance is £79.25. Many people used to peak time travel to London would expect that to be far more expensive as it will be more than twice the distance.
With my destination undecided, from the ticket office I bought an anytime return to Taunton, ...
That is with a railcard. The whole ticketing business is crazy. But a lot of people (I think) still pay a peak fare when only a tiny part of their journey - in the morning - is in what is defined as a peak period.
From the departure board at Bath Spa while we waited, I noted that the 08:13 to Paddington is "Peak Tickets valid ONLY" which strikes me as odd -my understanding is that there are "Anyime", "Off Peak" and "Super Off Peak" tickets available - and that there is no such thing as a peak ticket that it suggests you must have!
If I was being super-pedant, I would question whether the word "Only" would be better on the start. As written, doesn't it suggest that this is the only train on which the mysterious "peak tickets" are valid?
Re: Plans for faster trains and 30 new stations Posted by Bob_Blakey at 13:14, 30th January 2025 |
.....Now if you want the South West only to apply to Devon and Cornwall what region will Wiltshire, Dorset, Somerset, Gloucestershire, Bristol be in?.....
I don't. Dorset & Somerset I very definitely regard as part of South West England. Since the government have recognised East Of England as a region would it not make sense to put Wilshire, Gloucestershire and Bristol into a new corresponding West Of England area.
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by ChrisB at 12:28, 30th January 2025 |
Where does "uncomfortable" = "safety issue"?
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by Mark A at 12:11, 30th January 2025 |
More seriously, suspecting that seat comfort is classed as 'Convenience', it would be good if GWR were moved to address this particular defect as the passenger safety issue it surely is.
If anyone has ideas on how to raise this defect's status from 'Inconvenience' to 'Passenger safety issue', I'm all ears.
Mark
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by Mark A at 12:07, 30th January 2025 |
:-)
Mark
Re: Melksham to Penzance, 28th January 2025 Posted by Mark A at 12:06, 30th January 2025 |
**snip** Friend and fellow Coffee Shop moderator Mark joined me ("last minute decision") at Bath, for the day **snip**
An aside on ticketing. Graham was travelling on very good value advance single tickets from Melksham through to Penzance and back.
As to my spur of the moment decision, an on the day anytime return Bath Spa to Penzance is £79.25. Many people used to peak time travel to London would expect that to be far more expensive as it will be more than twice the distance.
With my destination undecided, from the ticket office I bought an anytime return to Taunton, and then the train manager was happy to sell me an anytime day return from Taunton to Exeter, ~£11. Then, the GWR app sold me an Exeter-Plymouth day return for another ~£11 and as the Penzance train terminated at Plymouth, the booking office there sold me a Cornwall day ranger which allows travel from Plymouth to all destinations in Cornwall and for good measure, the Gunnislake branch. In my case it covered the leg to Penzance and then back to St Erth and to St Ives. So, £54ish in all for the day's rail travel.
Does anyone on the forum collect railway tickets by the way?
Mark
Re: Elizabeth line train speeding 20mph over limit left passengers shaken Posted by stuving at 11:46, 30th January 2025 |
On such a new and expensive railway, I am surprised that there is no in cab display of the maximum permitted speed.
But this isn't a new railway, is it? It's the old Shenfield Electrics line, and has been running a high frequency (i.e metro) service since 1949. As a result, it needed far less done to it to tack it onto the end of Crossrail than the GW suburban line, which had never been developed in the same way earlier on. The current EL service is nearly doble the five or so trains per hour it had before, but that hardly calls for a big change to the track.
Of course someone ought to have cleaned the sign, whatever the service. Perhaps the PW maintenance staff couldn't see it?
Re: On this day - state funeral of Sir Winston Churchill 30 January 1965 Posted by ChrisB at 11:45, 30th January 2025 |
Yes, I watched the whole thing on TV with my parents.
H's buried in Bladon churchyard, taken there from Hanborough station in a hurse.
Bladon was the local estate church to his birthplace at Blenheim.
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 11:22, 30th January 2025 |
Apologies but I don't think so.
Re: Elizabeth line train speeding 20mph over limit left passengers shaken Posted by grahame at 10:53, 30th January 2025 |
Given the lead distance, by the time the driver's within sight of that '25' sign, not sure what he's meant to do about it. Perhaps there's something else set further back.
Mark
Mark
The fundamental difference between a tram and a train? For a tram or a bus, it's driven within line of sight, no route knowledge needed, and signage needs to be visible at a distance where action can be taken. For trains, routes need to be learned and the signage may be considered as an aid to route learning, so need not be visible from further back. Probably a good idea to help the route learning by having the signs clean enough to read though!
Re: On this day - state funeral of Sir Winston Churchill 30 January 1965 Posted by broadgage at 10:53, 30th January 2025 |
I remember hearing of the death of Sir Winston Churchill on the radio, and then watching the funeral on TV at a relatives home.
I presume that the funeral train passed through my local station, New Malden, but do not recall watching it.
ANOTHER event the recollection of which that makes me feel very old.
I recall a now late relative saying that "without Winston, we would all be speaking german now" They used to send Christmas cards with the wording "if you are reading this in English, give thanks to a soldier"
Re: Elizabeth line train speeding 20mph over limit left passengers shaken Posted by Ralph Ayres at 10:36, 30th January 2025 |
Given the lead distance, by the time the driver's within sight of that '25' sign, not sure what he's meant to do about it. Perhaps there's something else set further back.
As I understand things, it mostly relies on the driver's training and paying attention to the preceding signal which would have indicated that a turnout was being taken; that's why there is such an emphasis on route-learning, and one of the demands often quoted when drivers' reasonably generous pay is discussed. The speed limit sign itself even if clean and well-positioned is unlikely to be seen from far enough away to form the main instruction, and is not intended to do so. It really just means "This is the exact point where the speed restriction you are already expecting starts", and if the drop in speed is significant there is an advance warning sign. Reading the RAIB Safety Digest https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6798ebbf4686aac15860641e/D012025_250127_Manor_Park.pdf I'm not sure the driver would have driven differently if the sign had been more visible.Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by Mark A at 10:29, 30th January 2025 |
But surely the metal bar is an ergonomic metal bar, designed by experts so as to ensure passenger comfort.
Must not laugh...
Must not laugh...
As I think of the stock delivered to ČD over the last couple of years.
Never mind, enjoy the full Super Hitachi Intercity Train experience.
PS The only truly comfortable seat on the whole train is the instructor/assessors seat. I didn't like the drivers seat especially with the random lowering of the height adjuster piston.
Is the Instructor/assessor's seat bookable by passengers please?
Mark
Re: Elizabeth line train speeding 20mph over limit left passengers shaken Posted by Mark A at 10:04, 30th January 2025 |
Given the lead distance, by the time the driver's within sight of that '25' sign, not sure what he's meant to do about it. Perhaps there's something else set further back.
Mark
Re: Melksham to Penzance, 28th January 2025 Posted by grahame at 09:53, 30th January 2025 |
Piccies from Penzance (1st visit - 12:28 until about quarter past one; second visit from about 16:15 to 17:50)
Left to right - grahame, GBM and Mark A
On this day - state funeral of Sir Winston Churchill 30 January 1965 Posted by eightonedee at 09:37, 30th January 2025 |
Unusually, our local Reach group paper (the Reading Chronicle) has been useful today, drawing to my attention an anniversary today with Railway connections.
Churchill's funeral took place 60 years ago today. His coffin was taken by train (hauled by a Bulleid pacific bearing his name) to its burial at Bladon in Oxfordshire. I can still recall standing (as an 8 year old) by the railway near the New Hill railway bridge in Purley and watching the train go past. Are there any other forum members with similar memories?
Edited to correct spelling of Bladon - thanks Chris
Re: Derailment of a passenger train at Grange-over-Sands, 22/3/24 Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 08:08, 30th January 2025 |
And it is only going to get worse...
This is being discussed with several unwanted BR dinosaurs who know a bit. Drivers, guards, signallers and controllers. The general consensus, this was a lucky escape. Drones and spreadsheets in Milton Keynes is no replacement for boots on the ground. I'd like to know why the instructor (just 5 years with a key) didn't send the trainee to try to operate a GSMR unit and make a REC whilst taking the dets and carrying out Section M. Yes, everyone is shaken up by an incident like this but emergency protection is so important to carry out.
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 07:44, 30th January 2025 |
But surely the metal bar is an ergonomic metal bar, designed by experts so as to ensure passenger comfort.
Must not laugh...
Must not laugh...
As I think of the stock delivered to ČD over the last couple of years.
Never mind, enjoy the full Super Hitachi Intercity Train experience.
PS The only truly comfortable seat on the whole train is the instructor/assessors seat. I didn't like the drivers seat especially with the random lowering of the height adjuster piston.
Re: Elizabeth line train speeding 20mph over limit left passengers shaken Posted by broadgage at 02:58, 30th January 2025 |
On such a new and expensive railway, I am surprised that there is no in cab display of the maximum permitted speed.
In the absence of such technology, some cleaning of the speed limit signs is required, and possibly re-locating same to improve sighting.
It is reassuring though that a train travelled at nearly twice the permitted speed without any serious consequences. I suspect that doing 100 mph in a car on a narrow country lane would be more dangerous.
Re: IEP seats in 2025 Posted by broadgage at 02:48, 30th January 2025 |
But surely the metal bar is an ergonomic metal bar, designed by experts so as to ensure passenger comfort.
Re: Plans for faster trains and 30 new stations Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:21, 29th January 2025 |
Now if you want the South West only to apply to Devon and Cornwall what region will Wiltshire, Dorset, Somerset, Gloucestershire, Bristol be in?
They will be in limbo.
Plymouth's lost railways - from YouTube Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:03, 29th January 2025 |
I was born in Devonport, lived in and around Plymouth until I was 14, and I remember some of these Plymouth scenes, from this YouTube compilation.
However, I have to say that the item is 32 minutes long, it has an unfortunate amount of random 'camera waving about' footage, and the apparently inevitable background music.
Nevertheless, I suggest that you do view it, perhaps with headphones / speakers turned down, and just 'fast forward' now and again, to skip the boring bits.