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Comparing my local (GWR run) station with stations in other regions
In "TransWilts line" [369724/31285/18]
Posted by grahame at 12:53, 18th December 2025
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I have - always - been an pragmatic advocate and user of public transport. By which I mean using it where appropriate and available, but accepting that it's not always available or practical.

Which leads me to question things like "what is available", "how good is it for the customers" - both in comparisons across the UK, and what we should expect.  Of particular recent concern has been the reliability of our train service at Melksham, with cancellation rates reaching double figure percentages - five times worse than the target "worst case" under franchising.  Is it like this all over the UK, or are we being shabbily treated?

I was born in Merseyside and my nearest station and first railway memories were of Ainsdale.  Our family moved to North West Kent just before I started school, and I have many memories of travelling by train to school and then to Uni and to temporary jobs by train from Petts Wood. After Uni, I moved to take a permament job in Harpenden, and although I didn't commute from there, I did use the train for work and leisure travel.  And more than half a lifetime ago, I moved to Wiltshire.

I have taken Ainsdale, Petts Wood, Harpenden and Melksham stations and used onTimeTrains to compare the four very different regions.

Populations (estimated station catchment) Ainsdale - 13,000; Petts Wood - 18,000; Melksham - 26,000; Harpenden - 31,000 - However, Melksham only has a fraction of the timetabled services, which means that every cancellation hurts.  On the other had, we laugh off a ten minute delay in Melksham but at Petts Wood we would have already switched (I used to do this!) from the Charing Cross train to the Victoria train ... to get to my temporary job in Whitehall.





First image - last four weekends, ranked by the ontimetrains measure of reliability and cancellations. We noted a couple of good weekends after a "crisis" meeting with GWR but - oh dear - they have slipped back and are significantly worse, again, that the other stations elsewhere in England.

Second image - all days of the week, back to nearly the start of the year.  I have blanked out January because the train service at Melksham was virtually non-existant due to the month long closure of Westbury which makes the figures at onetimetrains statistically insignificant.   The scale on this second diagram are absolute scales and not relative ones - so everyone should be close together near the top of the scale.

Re: Temple Meads station approach road
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369723/31280/21]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:52, 18th December 2025
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This presumably means that intentions for terminating platforms in the former train shed have been parked.

Yes, ditched many moons ago now.

Re: Temple Meads station approach road
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369722/31280/21]
Posted by Mark A at 12:39, 18th December 2025
 
This presumably means that intentions for terminating platforms in the former train shed have been parked.

Thinking of parking, is it known what the plans mean for the train shed car park?

Does anyone have a link to an overall map of this please?

Mark

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369721/31281/30]
Posted by grahame at 12:01, 18th December 2025
 
7. Severn Tunnel Junction

All the others are request stops

Darn it, you are right.  One of the others is also an odd one out for a different reason.

9 - Sheephill

The others were the locations of engine sheds.

Yep - Hull, Glasgow and Brighton

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369720/31281/30]
Posted by TonyN at 11:56, 18th December 2025
 
7. Severn Tunnel Junction

All the others are request stops

Re: 150s
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [369719/31080/24]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 11:49, 18th December 2025
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Three hours from Bletchley to Didcot - isn't there a shorter and quicker route?

You mean the one via Oxford?

What is happening at Dilton Marsh? Key service reduction!
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [369718/31284/20]
Posted by grahame at 11:08, 18th December 2025
 
In the new timetable that started this Monday, there's no longer an 18:30-ish train to Bristol - a well used service ("it always stops" - local report) but rather a gap from about half past five until twenty to eight.

This means the people who live in Westbury Leigh and Dilton Marsh can no longer easily attend some evening meetings / events in Trowbridge, Bradford-on-Avon and Bath.   It means that people returning home from Southampton (at 17:15) or Salisbury (at 17:45) to Westbury Leigh and Dilton Marsh no longer have a connection at Warminster, but rather don't arrive home until over an hour later.

I saw nothing in any of the online or other briefings to reflect this change, I saw and heard of no consultation, and I have seen no explanation nor customer alternative offered.  At a West Wiltshire Rail User Group committee lunch yesterday, it seems the cutting out of this train has come as a surprise to the users of Dilton Marsh Station too.

Before throwing a "wobbly" - either from myself or others - does anyone here know of a explanation for what appears to be the culling of a popular train without any process of asking, informing, or perhaps thinking of the customers?


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369717/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 10:58, 18th December 2025
 
More short-forms today.

JourneyCheck is showing the 11:52 London Paddington to Hereford, 15:18 Hereford to London Paddington and 18:57 London Paddington to Great Malvern services as five car short-forms.

Not on mentioned on JourneyCheck but showing on RTT is that the 19:53 Paddington to Hereford train will again be five cars (802015) so expect tomorrow's 05:23 Hereford to Paddington service to be short-formed yet again.

Re: Temple Meads station approach road
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369716/31280/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:57, 18th December 2025
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There are well-develped plans to improve access to Temple Meads.

The main car park will be at the new Southern Entrance, accessed via a new walkway across the New Cut starting near the old Cattle Dock and Platform 2. This will also have a pick up/drop off facility for people coming by car. This entrance has received planning approval.

Buses will access the station via Friary and the new Northern Entrance. There has been some resistance to this from bus operators as the planned highway design is too restrictive, but this will hopefully be improved. Terminators such as the 8, 70, 71, and 72 will very likely stop here.

The Western Entrance - what we currently think of as the Main Entrance, despite the fact that most people use the (currently rather modest) Northern Entrance - will be for taxis.

The Eastern Entrance will be mainly pedestrian, though there has been talk of buses serving it. The how, why and who of this does not seem to have been fully explored. This entrance is complete but will not be opened until the Bristol University buildings open.

Re: 150s
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [369715/31080/24]
Posted by grahame at 10:37, 18th December 2025
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Looks like a 150 is returning from Wolverton on Saturday

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K49382/2025-12-20/detailed


Three hours from Bletchley to Didcot - isn't there a shorter and quicker route?

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369714/31281/30]
Posted by Merthyr Imp at 10:35, 18th December 2025
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9 - Sheephill

The others were the locations of engine sheds.

Re: 150s
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [369713/31080/24]
Posted by John D at 10:27, 18th December 2025
 
Looks like a 150 is returning from Wolverton on Saturday

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K49382/2025-12-20/detailed

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369712/31281/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:57, 18th December 2025
 
1,  Westbury - has no platform 0 (yet)

Yes - that's what I had as my planned answer. Yet 

3 - Liverpool Lime Street - not served by Cross Country trains?

An excellent answer - correct, though not the one I had in mind!

10 - Shipley.  The only town of those four which didn't previously have two stations.

Oh yes - hadn't notices that - correct, but again not the answer I had in mind

Think I know 4 as well but will wait my turn tomorrow.

Please feel free to personal message me though ... happy to answer in private.

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369711/31281/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 09:39, 18th December 2025
 
3 - Liverpool Lime Street - not served by Cross Country trains?

Burst water main shuts Rye House railway station for two days - Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369710/31283/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:32, 18th December 2025
 
From the BBC:



A railway station will be closed until Friday after flooding from a burst water main caused "extensive damage".

Greater Anglia said water had flooded the track in Hertfordshire and damaged the signalling system at Rye House on Wednesday, meaning trains would be unable to run between Broxbourne and Hertford East.

No trains will run to or from Hertford East, and Rye House station will be closed until at least the end of Friday, National Rail has announced.

A very limited rail replacement bus service will operate, Greater Anglia said.

Thames Water said engineers were deployed to the site and apologised for any disruption.

In a statement, Greater Anglia said: "Due to a burst water main flooding the track and damaging the signalling system at Rye House, we are unable to run trains between Broxbourne and Hertford East. The service is suspended. Network Rail engineers and Thames Water staff are on site and looking to resolve the issue."


Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369709/31281/30]
Posted by rogerw at 09:27, 18th December 2025
 
1,  Westbury - has no platform 0 (yet)

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369708/31281/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:09, 18th December 2025
 
Think I know 4 as well but will wait my turn tomorrow.

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369707/31281/30]
Posted by Merthyr Imp at 09:07, 18th December 2025
 
10 - Shipley.  The only town of those four which didn't previously have two stations.

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369706/31281/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:45, 18th December 2025
 
8 - Woburn Sands is the only one of these Marston Vale stations that will remain open in EWR proposals

Yes - that was what I had

5: Dilton Marsh - it receives more than one 'parliamentary' train per day

Yes - the "parly connection" is what I had - though I think Snaith has two in one direction and one in the other.  I recall being there on the daily train to Goole and it being very quiet by the time it left the Leeds commuter route it extends, carrying on alongside a trunk road where one train a day is hardly likely to compete.

4. Acton.  There is no station called just 'Acton'.  All the others have a station with both the single word name and a two-word name the begins the same.  For example, there is both Catford and Catford Bridge, which is the example I'm familiar with.

[snip]

A good connection / exception - very much along the one I had in mind, but there's another connection I had which makes one of the others the exception.


Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369705/31281/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:37, 18th December 2025
 
5: Dilton Marsh - it receives more than one 'parliamentary' train per day

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369704/31281/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 08:08, 18th December 2025
 
4. Acton.  There is no station called just 'Acton'.  All the others have a station with both the single word name and a two-word name the begins the same.  For example, there is both Catford and Catford Bridge, which is the example I'm familiar with.

There's a good Geoff Marshall video on YouTube celebrating Catford and Catford Bridge as a rare example of a pair of stations between which no ticket is available: would-be passengers have to walk the 100 yards between them.  As they also have to do if they get a ticket for a journey such as Bellingham to Lewisham, which I remember in the days of Edmondson tickets as including the printed text 'via Catford and Catford Bridge'.

As for the memory test to name all the Action stations ... I leave that to the reader as an alternative to counting sheep on a sleepless night.

Re: OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369703/31281/30]
Posted by ellendune at 07:55, 18th December 2025
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8 - Woburn Sands is the only one of these Marston Vale stations that will remain open in EWR proposals

You're in the wrong place
In "Transport for London" [369702/31282/46]
Posted by grahame at 07:26, 18th December 2025
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From myLondon

The sign reads: "Unfortunately you are the wrong Abbey Road. However, we can work it out and help you get back to the correct location. So, let's come together and take the DLR one stop to West Ham and change to a Jubilee line train to St John's Wood station. Passengers need a ticket to ride."

OOO - Odd One Out - which, and why? AQ18/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369701/31281/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:21, 18th December 2025
 
Odd one out - which and why? And, yes, there are probably multiple answers in each case. 

1.
Westbury
Cardiff Central
Doncaster
Haymarket

2.
Corrour
Trowbridge
Kildonan
Dorchester West

3.
Bristol Temple Meads
Sheffield
Cheltenham Spa
Liverpool Lime Street

4.
Barry
Catford
Burscough
Acton

5.
Brigg
Dilton Marsh
Snaith
Clifton

6.
Melksham
Arram
Pontardulais
Northwich

7.
Chetnole
Sandplace
Severn Tunnel Junction
Thornford

8.
Woburn Sands
Bow Brickhill
Millbrook
Fenny Stratford

9.
Dairycoates
Cowlairs
Sheephill
Lovers Walk

10.
Blackburn
Lincoln
Bedford
Shipley

Re: Man who died on Tube was run over by four trains - 26 Dec 2023
In "Transport for London" [369700/29772/46]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:32, 18th December 2025
 
To be run over by one train may be regarded as a misfortune.....seven looks like carelessness.

Re: Man who died on Tube was run over by four trains - 26 Dec 2023
In "Transport for London" [369699/29772/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 06:16, 18th December 2025
 
From the BBC:

Man hit by seven Tubes died accidentally - inquest

Warning: This article contains details that some readers may find distressing

A man who stumbled and fell on to tracks at a London Underground station while drunk before being struck by seven Jubilee line trains died accidentally, an inquest has concluded.

Brian Mitchell, 72, was killed by a train terminating at Stratford in east London on 26 December 2023 at 14:50 GMT, East London Coroner's Court heard. The emergency brakes were not applied by any of the four incoming train operators (TOs).

CCTV showed Mr Mitchell trying to climb back on to the platform for about a minute at 14:45 before appearing to lie down on the tracks. He had 272mg of alcohol in his system, more than three times the legal driving limit.

Claire Mann, Transport for London (TfL)'s chief operating officer, said: "We will respond to the coroner's prevention of future deaths report and are taking action to prevent incidents like this from happening again."

Three of the four incoming trains which struck Mr Mitchell at platform 13 also departed the station. Following the first, fatal, strike, subsequent trains arrived at 14:56, 15:05 and 15:16. The operator of the third train misidentified the body as an inflatable doll, the jury concluded. The fourth TO did not apply the emergency brake due to being in shock. No signal was given to stop the trains, the jury found.

Addressing Mr Mitchell's family who attended virtually, Graeme Irvine, senior coroner for east London, said: "I want to offer my sincere condolences to the family. All deaths are tragic in their own way: Brian's death is particularly harrowing and the CCTV is something I'll think about for a long time. The images probably compound the grief felt by the family and for that I'm truly sorry."

Thanking the jury and coroner for "their thorough investigation", Mr Mitchell's family said they "found it almost unbelievable" that he was struck seven times.

Thomas Jervis, a partner from the law firm Leigh Day which represented the family, said: "People who use the TfL network assume the right processes are in place to ensure safety. The coroner has been clear – he has ongoing concerns that further lives could be at risk, and he will be issuing a prevention of future deaths report. While this legal case will not bring Brian back, his family sincerely hope that meaningful change will be introduced so that this cannot happen again."

Mr Mitchell, who was wearing dark clothing, had spent nearly an hour at the far end of the platform with his bag before falling forwards on to the track.

A post-mortem examination found multiple injuries caused by blunt-force trauma to the chest and head were primary cause of death. His face was stained with soot.

Jubilee line drivers are known as train operators (TOs) because the trains use automatic train operation, which automatically accelerates and applies the brakes for signals and stops, jurors heard.

The TOs "did not see, hear or feel anything unusual", the Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) said. Because Mr Mitchell's body was underneath the rear incoming carriage, none of the three outgoing drivers would have seen him.

The inquest heard that the RAIB was told by each of the four arriving TOs that they had not been preparing to leave their cabins as they arrived at Stratford.

Mr Mitchell, who had spent Christmas Day visiting a friend in Bushy, took two buses to Stanmore station where he boarded the Jubilee line, using his Freedom Pass to travel to the other end of the line before sitting on a bench at Stratford station. Mr Mitchell was living in Hanwell, west London, at the time of his death but was born in Edinburgh. He was known to be homeless in 2017 and 2019.

Ms Mann added: "Our thoughts are with the family and friends of Mr Mitchell... We are committed to learning from this tragic incident and assisted the coroner during the inquest."


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369698/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:36, 18th December 2025
 
Thursday December 18

Wednesday December 17

And bad news for tomorrow morning:
Facilities on the 21:53 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill due 00:01.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. There are no reservations on this service.
Last Updated:17/12/2025 06:27

Also, not mentioned on JourneyCheck, Realtime Trains is showing the five car 802006 booked for tonight's 19:53 Paddington to Hereford sevice which will mean a second consecutive short-form in tomorrow's London bound peak.

1P10 0523 Hereford to London Paddington (08:24)
1P12 0643 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington (08:44)
both reported on RTT as being 5-car sets. No mention on JourneyCheck.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369697/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:27, 18th December 2025
 
Wednesday December 17

Late-running continues:

1P36 1726 Worcester Foregate Street to Paddington : held Norton (+12), saves 10 at Moreton, held Charlbury (+15), arrived Oxford +13 and cancelled thereafter (RTT : "due to an issue with the train crew (TG)").
Stock in Oxford platform 3 19:13-19:47, then ran empty to Paddington.
1P38 1802 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington : held Charlbury (+12), Oxford (+22 - baulked by 1P36), arrived +16.

1W03 1734 London Paddington to Hereford : Oxford +15, held Evesham (+32), arrived +33.
1W34 1757 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street : held Wolvercote (+12) and Evesham (+20), arrived +35.
1W41 2052 London Paddington to Great Malvern : delayed near Acton, Oxford +19, held Evesham (+37), arrived +40.


Re: Temple Meads station approach road
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369696/31280/21]
Posted by infoman at 05:15, 18th December 2025
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In my opinion there are two many "cross over" movements.

I would ban private cars from entering the incline,if they "inadvertently" gain access to the bottom part of the incline,
another banning point could be where the airport bus routes turn round and continue their journey.
Private cars could drop near Wetherspoons entrance.

Taxis should use the left hand side of the incline and 8/9 bus's should use the space where the airport bus, use to stop,
by the W.H.Smith goods delivery doors on the right hand side.

Traffic lights are the biggest problem when coming off the incline,when the lights go green to come off the incline
the traffic lights on the City bound side turn straight to red and you get just six cars off the incline 

Re: Multiple stabbings on a London bound train in Cambridgeshire - 01 Nov 25
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369695/31017/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 01:43, 18th December 2025
 
From the BBC:

King greets those who showed bravery during Huntingdon train knife attack


King Charles greets rail worker Samir Zitouni and his wife Eleni Sakkoulei

King Charles has met a group of rail staff and passengers who had shown bravery during the Huntingdon train knife attack last month.

The group included railway worker Samir Zitouni, who was hailed for his efforts to save passengers, train driver Andrew Johnson, and Stephen Crean, who was stabbed in the hand when he intervened.

Eleven people were treated in hospital for injuries after the attack on the London-bound train, that had been diverted to Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire.

Anthony Williams, 32, has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder related to the train attack.


Driver Andrew Johnson has been praised for his quick thinking in diverting the train

There was much praise for the response of passengers and train crews during the incident on the service between Doncaster and London King's Cross on a Saturday evening.

In Parliament, Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood paid tribute to the "breathtaking bravery" of those who had helped, including the "heroic acts of the passengers and train crew who intercepted the attacker". MPs had called for the highest civilian medal, the George Cross, to be awarded to those who had shown great bravery.

King Charles gave his own recognition with an audience at the Palace, where he posed for photographs with the visitors. They included Andrew Johnson, the train driver who was praised by Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander for diverting the train from the fast to the slow track after the alarm was raised.

A short hearing in the case against Mr Williams was adjourned at Cambridge Crown Court earlier this month and proceedings are due to resume on 28 January 2026.


 
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