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Re: 07:00 Manchester - Euston
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368814/31168/51]
Posted by Noggin at 09:48, 2nd December 2025
 
From the BBC:


Regulator backtracks on 'ghost train' plan

What a farce 

A cynic might wonder which MP's, BBC execs & senior civil servants were regular users of the train.

An uber-cynic might wonder if the ORR had been set-up to fail on this one and fell for the bait!

Re: Engineering changes - 8th to 14th December 2025
In "London to the West" [368813/31183/12]
Posted by grahame at 09:48, 2nd December 2025
 
Not quite correct in saying no direct services on Saturday as there is one Plymouth to London train in both directions diverted between Exeter and Castle Cary via Yeovil.

But I guess better to say no direct trains in case the one train does get cancelled.

It’s a pity, particularly for Pewsey passengers, that no effort is made to run some direct services between Castle Cary and Paddington on the weekend. I would guess that will be down to reliability of having enough train crew on the weekend to operate them.

I do find myself looking and wondering - bearing in mind the very high customer volumes London-ward from both Castle Cary and Pewsey and they seem to being dumped at the weekend onto buses or the Heart-of-Wessex service with multiple changes.    More about the cost of providing an alternative - perhaps a token alternative - than looking after customers?  Or looking to make it so hard to travel that weekend that optional travellers try the previous or following weekend?





So tempted to suggest that the Newbury -> Bedwyn shuttle - with an extra unit - be extended every 2 hours to Yeovil Junction.

Re: Engineering changes - 8th to 14th December 2025
In "London to the West" [368812/31183/12]
Posted by Timmer at 09:29, 2nd December 2025
 
Not quite correct in saying no direct services on Saturday as there is one Plymouth to London train in both directions diverted between Exeter and Castle Cary via Yeovil.

But I guess better to say no direct trains in case the one train does get cancelled.

It’s a pity, particularly for Pewsey passengers, that no effort is made to run some direct services between Castle Cary and Paddington on the weekend. I would guess that will be down to reliability of having enough train crew on the weekend to operate them.

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368811/31182/30]
Posted by TonyN at 09:18, 2nd December 2025
 
C. Interrail passes

Failed Train at Bruton 2 Dec 2025
In "London to the West" [368810/31184/12]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:16, 2nd December 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Castle Cary and Westbury
Due to a broken down train between Castle Cary and Westbury some lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 02/12.
Customer Advice
Due to a broken down train at Bruton, we are currently unable to run any trains between Castle Cary and Westbury.
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We are still able to run trains between Westbury and Castle Cary. Services from London to the West Country are currently unaffected.
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An engineer has been deployed to the broken down train.
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Passengers at Westbury for Reading/London Paddington are advised to board the next available service to Bath and change.

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Passengers at Castle Cary/Bruton/Frome are advised to board the next available service to Taunton and change for services towards Bristol and onwards to London Paddington.
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Alternatively, passengers at Frome may use their ticket, at no extra cost, on the following local bus service:

First Bus (Bristol, Bath & the West):
Route D2: Bath (Bus Station), Frome (Market Place)
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We're sorry for the delay to your journey.
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We will update this message with more information when we have it.
Last Updated:02/12/2025 09:07

Memories of 1974.  I pinched a loco off a Merehead to Westbury trip, with the wagons dropped off in Witham's Up Sidings, and sent it to the rescue of the failed train at Bruton.  The driver laughed at me when I reminded him about the catch points down the bank.  I think that with his years of service, he will ahve already noticed them a few times.  Anyway, all sorted within half an hour of the driver of the failed Paignton to London train phoning me at Witham from the phone outside the switched-out Bruton 'box

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368809/31182/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:03, 2nd December 2025
 
B is East West Rail.

Indeed - a big reminder of just how long and prone to change such plans are - original suggestion was made by Ipswich Borough Council in 1995.

As an aside - much of the information in today's quiz has been gleaned from multiple online sources and made into a quiz - I wasn't and (m)any of the events in person.  I am very much aware that I am editing and rewriting and looking to avoid cut and paste to the extent of the quiz being plagiarism though you may find some of the sentences worded with a resemblance to other text elsewhere.

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368808/31182/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:01, 2nd December 2025
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D: Trams in Bath

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368807/31182/30]
Posted by grahame at 08:57, 2nd December 2025
 
G Cattistock Halt.
I used to have a GWR station nameplate from there.

The platforms are still in daily use. They replaced the wooden ones at Chetnole and Thornford

Indeed Cattistock - which is a surprisingly large village and it feels perverse that it lost its train service when Chetnole and Thornford retained theirs, even to the extent of the platform being moved.

In the summer just gone, I walked from Chetnole via Cattistock to Maiden Newton and the distances are such that neither station can practically be said to serve Cattistock and a more logical stopping pattern for trains on this line might be  Yeovil Pen Mill - Yeovil Interchange - Yetmister - Cattistock - Maiden Newton. 

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368806/31182/30]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 08:42, 2nd December 2025
 
B is East West Rail.

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368805/31182/30]
Posted by old original at 08:27, 2nd December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
E, I would say that's could be the PS Waverley

Engineering changes - 8th to 14th December 2025
In "London to the West" [368804/31183/12]
Posted by grahame at 08:15, 2nd December 2025
 
Essential track drainage work will take place between Castle Cary and Taunton from Monday 8 December to Sunday 14 December. During this period, buses will replace trains on this section of the route.

Train Service Overview

A limited number of trains will run between London Paddington and Westbury or Castle Cary on weekdays only.

No direct train services will operate on this route on Saturday or Sunday.

Due to these changes, replacement buses will operate between Pewsey and Swindon at weekends to provide onward connections.

Long-distance services between London Paddington and Plymouth/Penzance will be diverted between Reading and Taunton, adding at least 15 minutes to journey times.

GWR services between Bristol Temple Meads and Weymouth via Castle Cary will continue to operate as normal.

South Western Railway services between Yeovil and Salisbury via Castle Cary are unaffected.

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368803/31182/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 07:55, 2nd December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
A looks like the Kennet and Avon Canal

Re: Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368802/31182/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 07:31, 2nd December 2025
Already liked by rogerw
 
G Cattistock Halt.
I used to have a GWR station nameplate from there.

The platforms are still in daily use. They replaced the wooden ones at Chetnole and Thornford

Advent Quiz - 2nd December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [368801/31182/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:12, 2nd December 2025
Already liked by bradshaw
 
Can you identify these groups of happenings - where and perhaps what are they?


A.

In 1788, a "Western Canal" was proposed to improve trade and communication links to towns such as ...

In 1793, a further survey was conducted by John Rennie, and the route of the canal was altered to take a more southerly course through ...

On 12 June 1797, the first section from xxxxx to xxxx was opened. By 2 July 1799, the canal was open as far west as xxxxx.

The canal opened to through-traffic in 1810, after 16 years of construction.

B.

The link is promoted by the xxxxxxx initiated by xxxxx Borough Council in 1995.

In April 2006, the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister reported itself to be in favour of the principle

In the 2011 Autumn Statement by Chancellor George Osborne, xxxxx was adopted by the Department for Transport, and £270 million was committed to the scheme to fund its development.

The first phase, was opened in 2016; engineering of the xxxx phase was completed in late 2024

C.

The first xxxxx were sold in March 1972 and started a true travel revolution.

After the first year's success, it became a permanent offer and since its origin, more than 10 million travellers have enjoyed ...

Since 1998 the xxxxx has been available for travellers of all ages, including attractive ...

As of March 1st, 2022, xxxxxx has a refreshing new look with an updated logo, colour scheme, and design. The refresh pays tribute to the brand's heritage

[D.

The first service ran on 24 December 1880

The horse drawn service continued until 1902

The Xxxxxxx line closed in 1938 with the rest closing in May the following year.

In 2006 a private group xxxxxxxx proposed their re-introduction. In 2015 a further initiative was under discussion by a new group ...

E.

Built in 1946, she sailed from xxxxxx on  xxxxxxxxx until 1973

Bought by xxxxxxx, she has been restored to her 1947 appearance and now operates passenger excursions around the British coast.

Since 2003, she has been listed in the National Historic Fleet by National Historic Ships UK as "a vessel of pre-eminent national importance".

On 3 October 2025, she broke down while on a cruise from ... and I am delighted to report she was back in service within a few days

F.

Construction of the route was begun in 1848 for the xxxxxxxx and xxxxxx Railway and completed in 1854.

The section between xxxxxx and xxxxxx was completed in 1906 and coincided with the construction of xxxxxx Harbour

Train services have remained infrequent for more than 100 years. By 2003 the line was carrying fewer than 100 passengers a day.

On 12 March 2010 it was announced that xxxxxx would review the service between xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx because few passengers were using it. Timetabling was poor. There was only one train each way daily from Monday to Saturday. The last train between xxxxxxx and xxxxxx ran on 18 September 2010

G.

Railway line opened on 20 January 1857

Station opened on 3 August 1931. It was placed in the Western Region when the railways were nationalised in 1948.

The station was initially timber but was rebuilt in 1959: the two platforms each with a concrete shelter were standard products of the former Southern Railway concrete factory at Exmouth Junction.

The station closed when local trains were withdrawn following the Beeching Report, taking effect on 3 October 1966.

Re: Coffee Shop / Advent Quiz 2025. Introduction and first day questions
In "The Lighter Side" [368800/31175/30]
Posted by grahame at 02:38, 2nd December 2025
 
3: Gatwick

6: Southend Central?

Yes - final 2 are right (Gatwick and not Fenchurch Street, and Southend Central)

1. Acton Main Line - Electric Train
2. Newcastle - eightonedee
3. Gatwick - OxonHutch
4. Barry Island - RobT
5. Taunton - Chris from Nailsea
6.Southend Central - Richard Fairhurst
7. Cork Kent - stuving
8. Leeds - brooklea
9. Kyle of Lochalsh - Timmer
10. Newhaven Town - TonyN

Re: Coffee Shop / Advent Quiz 2025. Introduction and first day questions
In "The Lighter Side" [368799/31175/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 00:04, 2nd December 2025
 
3.  Fenchurch Street Station?

Re: 07:00 Manchester - Euston
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368798/31168/51]
Posted by Hafren at 22:24, 1st December 2025
 
From the BBC:


- 12:52 GMT: Blackpool North – London Euston (Monday to Friday)
- 09:39 GMT: London Euston – Blackpool North (Monday to Friday)

Why would you run an ECS to Blackpool North if all you do is run it back ECS?

AFAICT it's being removed completely; I've spot-checked one day and can't see a replacement ECS journey (but can't say I've looked thoroughly). I think the article's wording is just confusing the 'removed completely' trains with the 'ghost train'.

Re: Coffee Shop / Advent Quiz 2025. Introduction and first day questions
In "The Lighter Side" [368797/31175/30]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 21:00, 1st December 2025
Already liked by TonyN
 
6: Southend Central?

That Flanders and Swann song...
In "Railway History and related topics" [368796/31181/55]
Posted by Mark A at 20:38, 1st December 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, TonyN, Western Pathfinder
 
A deep dive into the song 'The Slow Train', via Chris Dale on Bluesky. The author revisits the sites of 29 of the 31 stations featured in its lines.

Mark

https://trainstobeyond.com/2021/05/28/2021-uk-no-passenger-waits/

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - ongoing discussion, 2025
In "Across the West" [368795/30953/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:14, 1st December 2025
 
From the BBC:

Danger to life and flood warning as heavy rain hits again


The Afon Glaslyn has risen close to the top of the wall surrounding this house in Beddgelert, Gwynedd

Heavy rain could cause "disruption and probable flooding" on Monday with an amber weather warning in place for south Wales.

The Met Office said heavy rain was expected over south Wales from late Sunday and throughout Monday, with 20-40mm (0.78-1.58in) expected across the wider region and 100-120mm (3.9-4.7in) in a few places on higher ground.

A yellow warning of rain is also in place for mid and north Wales on Monday, with the Afon Glaslyn in Beddgelert, Gwynedd, nearly broaching the garden wall of a house nearby.

The weather alerts come two weeks after danger to life flood warnings were issued and homes and businesses in Monmouth and elsewhere hit after rivers burst their banks.

(BBC news item continues)


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [368794/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:53, 1st December 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06

17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 will be terminated at Warminster.
It will no longer call at Salisbury.
It is being delayed between Chippenham and Melksham.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.


6C54 - Oxford Banbury Road (Flhh) to Whatley Quarry F Liner Hh
due to pass Melksham at 18:36 but didn't pass until 19:16

Re: IEP seats in 2025
In "Across the West" [368793/29826/26]
Posted by 1st fan at 19:33, 1st December 2025
Already liked by Mark A, TonyN
 
I believe a new design of cushion is being considered/trialed for the 'quarter life' refurb that'll be coming up soon.  Worn ones are being replaced ad-hoc.  If you have a 'good' train manager if you mention it to them they can log that seat into the fault app.

I hope that refurb also includes proper buggy space provision and a redesigned bike space hook allowing for thicker rimmed bike wheels.  Normal USB and USB-C charging sockets would also be very useful - Chiltern's ongoing Class 168 refresh is featuring those.

Very good news if they are looking at seat cushion redesign. Don’t remember seeing the Train Manager actually.
The attached photo’s show what has happened to the pair of seats I’m currently sitting in. I looked at my bag half under the seat and saw orange dust on it which wasn’t there when I got on. The padding on the seat is utterly non existent at the front half. When i lifted up the seat cushion you could see why, the orange dust had been the seat padding. The other photos show how badly collapsed the cushions are and how prominent the bar is now. I would not want anyone to sit down hard directly onto the bar if you didn’t know it was there. There are also padding issues on some of the seat backs but these are less severe, being at the edges of the seat. You can spot it as you can on the seat cushion because the fabric is baggy.

Re: Coffee Shop / Advent Quiz 2025. Introduction and first day questions
In "The Lighter Side" [368792/31175/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 19:23, 1st December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
3: Gatwick

Re: Coffee Shop / Advent Quiz 2025. Introduction and first day questions
In "The Lighter Side" [368791/31175/30]
Posted by grahame at 18:43, 1st December 2025
 
Just two left ... where are these?

3.


6.


Re: Coffee Shop / Advent Quiz 2025. Introduction and first day questions
In "The Lighter Side" [368787/31175/30]
Posted by Timmer at 18:17, 1st December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Alright, let's get this one out of the way:

5.  Taunton.

CfN 
Had to be done Chris, had to be done.

Re: 07:00 Manchester - Euston
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [368786/31168/51]
Posted by Timmer at 17:56, 1st December 2025
Already liked by Mark A, TaplowGreen
 
From the BBC:


Regulator backtracks on 'ghost train' plan

What a farce 

Re: Suggestions from Campaign for Better Transport for the budget
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [368785/31049/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:52, 1st December 2025
 
The chair of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has had 'a bad day in the office':

From the BBC:

OBR head resigns over Budget leak


Chair of the OBR Richard Hughes said he took "full responsibility" for the shortcomings identified in the report

The chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has resigned following the Budget day error which saw a key document published early.

Richard Hughes said in his resignation letter he took "full responsibility" for the issues that were identified in the OBR's investigation into the error.

That investigation found the early publication of the OBR's forecasts was the worst failure in the organisation's 15-year history.

The UK's official forecaster confirmed the market-sensitive report was accessed 43 times from 32 different devices in the hour before the chancellor's speech.

In a letter sent to both the chancellor and the chair of the Treasury Select Committee, Dame Meg Hillier, Mr Hughes said he believed the OBR could "quickly regain and restore the confidence and esteem" it had earned by implementing the report's recommendations.

"But I also need to play my part in enabling the organisation that I have loved leading for the past five years to quickly move on from this regrettable incident," he continued. "I have, therefore, decided it is in the best interest of the OBR for me to resign as its Chair and take full responsibility to the shortcomings identified in the report."

Mr Hughes had been due to face questions from the Treasury Select Committee on Tuesday about the Budget and the OBR's economic forecasts, but Dame Meg confirmed that he would no longer attend.

In response to his resignation, Chancellor Rachel Reeves said: "I want to thank Richard Hughes for his public service and for leading the Office for Budget Responsibility over the past five years and for his many years of public service."

But Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch accused the chancellor of "trying to use the chair of the OBR as her human shield".

Paul Johnson, the former director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies and provost at Queen's College, Oxford said he was not surprised Mr Hughes had resigned. "That was a really bad mistake," he told BBC News, but added that Mr Hughes had been a "very effective and very robust" head of the OBR. "I think it's a shame for Richard Hughes and a shame for the OBR."

Mr Hughes had only recently started his second five-year term as OBR chairman, after being renominated by the chancellor in May. He first took up the job during the Covid pandemic in October 2020. Prior to that, he had been director of fiscal policy at the Treasury, and earlier he was the division chief of the International Monetary Fund's fiscal affairs department for eight years.

Following the Budget day leak, Mr Hughes called in a leading cyber-security expert to investigate how the crucial document was put on its website too early.

On Monday the report into the mishap concluded it had "inflicted heavy damage on the OBR's reputation", but added that it was inadvertent. The "ultimate responsibility" for the circumstances which meant people could access the report early lay with the OBR's leadership, the report added.

"It is the worst failure in the 15-year history of the OBR," the report said. "It was seriously disruptive to the chancellor, who had every right to expect that the EFO (economic and fiscal outlook) would not be publicly available until she sat down at the end of her Budget speech, when it should, as is usual, have been published alongside the Treasury's explanatory Red Book."

Monday's report also found that somebody gained early access to the equivalent financial forecasts in March while Reeves was delivering her Spring Statement, though they did not act on the information.

The Chancellor's Budget was thrown into chaos when the OBR's forecast was discovered online.

The OBR assesses the health of the UK's economy. It is independent of the government but works closely with the Treasury. Its reports are released alongside big government events such as the Budget, details of which are supposed to be kept under wraps until the chancellor announces them in the House of Commons.

The OBR's early publication effectively confirmed a number of new measures, including a pay-per-mile charge on electric vehicles, and a three-year freeze on income tax and National Insurance thresholds, before the chancellor announced them. The OBR quickly removed the forecast document from its website and apologised for the release, which it blamed on a "technical error".

The OBR brought in Ciaran Martin, the former chief executive of the National Cyber Security Centre, to lead the investigation into how the forecasts were accessed early. However, the OBR concluded there was no reason to suspect the involvement of foreign actors or cyber-criminals, or of "connivance by anyone working for the OBR".

Prof Martin's technical account was that the OBR analysis was available at a hidden url for 38 minutes between 11:30 and 12:08 on the morning of the Budget.

An attempt was made to access the URL as early as 05:16. The review did not seek to trace who accessed or attempted to access the document.

Prof Martin concluded this was a pre-existing weakness in the OBR publication system because of the premature access to March's forecasts. Prof Martin said that breach, half an hour before when it should have been published, could have been accidental, but it led him to conclude the issue was not new. On the reason for the early publication, Prof Martin said it was related to the software the OBR chose to publish to its website, which was more suitable for a small or medium company than a major publication of critical market-sensitive data.

While OBR staff thought they had applied safeguards to prevent early publication, there were two errors in the way in which they were set up on the publishing platform WordPress that effectively bypassed these controls. WordPress is a content management system, and is said to be the most popular tool of its kind for creating and designing web pages.

One error was to do with a plug-in (an optional extra) the OBR had installed in WordPress, which had the unintended effect of bypassing the need to log in to access documents intended for future publication. And the second was the directory in which the file was put ahead of publication allowed anyone to download a file directly.

The OBR got an exemption in 2013 from using a more secure government publishing platform for independent authorities in order to help with its autonomy. In other IT security areas, such as secure email, the OBR had adopted the secure Treasury systems.

A Treasury spokesperson thanked the OBR for its report and said a minister would respond "in due course".


 
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