There were some of the 150s that don't have gangways (150/0?) transferred from West Mids to GWR in the 2010s IIRC. As they arrived well after the 2+2 refurbs were done they retained 3+2 seating. Not great when they turned up on the CDF-PMH journeys! I think most/all have left GWR since. Not sure if the remaining one was from that transfer or another one. I think some/all of the West Mids ones came in 3 car formation with /0 vehicles outside and a /1 vehicle in the middle i.e. middle car had gangways at both ends but outer cars didn't.

A couple of Northern 3+2 /1 units were with TfW temporarily in the last 1-2 years. Unlike the likes of Turbos where only the bays are 3+2, the 150s had 3+2 on the face-to-back seats as well, so two people have to move (or be climbed over) if the person in the window seat needs to get up. Comfort is also affected by the 3+2 seats being more bench-like, without armrests (or indeed space for them) and being low-backed - I find these affect the sense of personal space and make it harder to doze. Also the narrower gangways mean less space to stand or move around.

 
Not showing on JourneyCheck but tonight's 1953 Paddington to Hereford and 2251 Paddington to Worcestershire Parkway are both five car short-formations which, presumably, will mean short-forms on the first two up services tomorrow morning.

 
I was there. All very interesting, and a good day out.

 
Hope someone’s watering it.  I’ll get my coat.

 
Cancellations seem to still be a big thing on GWR

Latest figures show overall 3.68% cancelled

Reliability isn't great either, only 66.03% on time

0.31% are short formed (below the DfT agreed minimum)

https://www.gwr.com/-/media/gwr-sc-website/files/about-gwr/what-you-can-expect/our-performance/GWR-Periodic-Web-Report-P2513.pdf

So anyone with return journeys, each with change of train (4 trains in total) has high chance of not arriving on time (if train actually runs)

 
South Western Railways contribution to this is to replace its water point at Southampton Central with a pot plant! And then have repeated announcements to remind people to have enough water!!

 
Yes but it's nice to go to the pub and chat with a couple of like minded souls occasionally.

 
Without money & members, it's a very small talking shop with a very high wishlist.

 
I was caught up  in this on Sunday 4th. i had to travel up to London and I arrived at Bristol Parkway to find it full of people going nowhere fast. As I am currently having problems with my legs I had booked passenger assist but my booked 1555 departure was cancelled. I contacted a member of staff who advised me to stay in the waiting room and the supervisor would contact me when he had finished trying to sort out taxis. When he found me he said he would collect me nearer departure time once the platform for the 1655 (starting from BPW) had been confirmed. in the meantime regular announcements were being made about travel to south Wales explaining that there were difficulties sourcing replacement bus services because of the amount of engineering work in the area needing a significant number of replacement buses. the general mood among passengers was one of acceptance as they were being kept informed. anyway, about 20 minutes before my departure I was helped to my train and upgraded to first. The journey to  Paddington went well and I was met and taken to the taxi rank by buggy. I thought that the staff at Parkway did a magnificent job despite their small number.
Incidentally I received my delay repayment in my bank account on Monday.

 

 
reported at approx 11:45am Wednesday 14th May 2025

This is effecting trains through Chippenham and Bath and Bristol in both directions.

 
From the BBC:

 
I took a phone call earlier in the week and as I'm no longer a Town Councillor I didn't attend - BRTA organiser's call.  I have been copied minutes for ciculation which suggests attenddance was 5 people (I may be 1 or 2 out)


A useful review / reminder of some good projects, and some which I really don't see happening in the time visible in my crystal ball.

Their organiser's review of the meeting

 

Yes - this is a case where an improvement in one area lead to a failure in another.    Previously, one service ran every 3 hours and the other ran every 2 hours, making for a decent connection once every six hours.  The three hourly service has been stepped up to every 2 hours, and in theory that is good for people on the line but in practise it has broken a number of previously relied on times and connections; those are not the major uses of the line and so, perhaps, a loss to be understood.

The real solution for both TransWilts and Heart of Wessex is to run them both hourly.   And the long term, proper, solution for 2026 would be an hourly Swindon - Weymouth service, an hourly Bristol - Salisbury - Southampton - Romsey stopper, and with cross platform connections between the two trains every hour at Westbury. You know it makes sense.  Varients are possible - to ensure the service works for those with a fear of getting out of one train and into another, alternative hours the trains could continue the opposite way, so Swindon - Southampton - Romsey and Bristol - Weymouth.

 

It's 2025: it's reasonable to ask why the UK is still in the business of overseeing the railway's degrading of services that previously connected with each other.

Mark

 
A question came up at last night's meeting as to whether the old ENCTS scheme that allowed a railcard discount to ENCTS card holders from Westbury to Weymouth and from Swindon to Worcester is still in operation (ENCTS hours only).   On lines where there's no parallel bus service, the idea was to see whether a bus card discount on the train would be useful.  Uptake was low, and the revenue outcome cost neutral, and the scheme was left it place.  Is it still there??

Also to note on the thread I am following up ... 2x3 hour gaps have been replaced by 3x2 hour gaps from Westbury to Weymouth, and this has torn asunder the Melksham to Weymouth morning connection Monday to Friday.  The 06:36 from Melksham via Westbury if now the 06:32 and it DOES usually connect into the early train to Weymouth - unofficially and with a scramble underneath at Westbury - according to regulars is "usually" works.   Best day return fare on this for Weymouth looks like it's now a split at Maiden Newton.

 

Sort of true! The timing of the tour meant that departure from Totnes and crossover to the branch was just 3 minutes after the last scheduled SDR service of the day, so there would have been a possibility of blocking the main line until the scheduled SDR service had cleared Staverton. Also, that scheduled SDR service was timed to take 30 minutes to get to Buckfastleigh, but the tour only 20 minutes - so something had to give.

 
The 21.28 WEY service is Mo-Th only. It runs ecs on Fr and there is no Sa or Su equivalent.
The Fr ecs is clearly designed to mitigate the potential disturbance problem.

BTP did police the later Sa service (then at c20.20, but now runs slightly later), during the higher season periods. They did this by checking entry and also travelling to Yeovil! I have not used this service recently but I imagine there will still be some controls at least in the Summer months.

 

Many thanks for that lovely description.
Sorely tempted.

 
As a footnote to the lengthy post above

I was surprised by how many times the lineside vegetation made contact with our train.  In very many places on the main line there was quite a rattling as uncontrolled lineside trees and shrubs were brushed aside by the train.  A couple of times our table gained an extra decoration of stick and leaves, entering through the open ventilator window

I guess it cost slightly less to pay consultants to tell you the lineside does not need to be trimmed back than it costs to actually do the job and to show the world that routine detail maintenance is not ignored

 
I was on-board this train, treating myself to an early 70th birthday present with my wife, Pullman Class from Warwick Parkway

Absolutely excellent day out.  Five stars. Would recommend. * * * * *

Ten minutes late from Birmingham New Street didn't bode well (Held up by late-running West Midlands Railway services that were prioritised by control).  According to RealTime Trains the service was timed for a maximum speed of 75mph, but D1015 obviously hadn't read that bit.  It was a wonderful wallow in nostalgia to be Western hauled at 90mph (the loco's maximum permitted speed) where the line allowed it through Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Somerset and Devon.

Whizzing through Taunton at 80 mph was a thrill I'd not experienced before, so that was fun

The on-board experience in the Vintage Trains Pullman was great.  Good food, and a level of comfort that really did put modern trains to shame (apart from on the too numerous stretches of rough-riding road)   It was a shame that the car's exterior hadn't been cleaned lately, which did mar the view of the fantastic sunlit countryside and the sea-wall section

The Class 37 was detached at Bristol Temple Meads, and followed the passenger train closely down to Plymouth.  Meaning D1015 single-handedly dragged the 9-coach train up Whiteball and the South Devon banks on her own.  Made a champion job of it - just as you'd expect, although I did overhear stewards from the train after arrival at Plymouth say that one of the Maybach pair shut itself down temporarily in the attack on Whiteball.  Which might explain the 30mph as we entered the tunnel

There was a melee at Plymouth, with every man and his dog jostling for position to take a picture of the loco after arrival.  There was some unpleasantness from a couple of the "enthusiast" passengers who wanted the D1015 group to get out of the way so a perfect picture could be taken.  But the D1015 folks quite justifiably wanted a group photo to remember the successful run.  It very nearly came to blows between the photographer trying to get the group shot and one of the assembled gaggle of gricers.  Very unpleasant.  In 55 years of both professional and hobby railwaying, I'd not witnessed anything like it.

The sea-wall section provided a great thrill, of course.  Many heads were turned by those on the beach and on the footpath.  Lineside photographers were out in force.  The weather was perfect.

The return from Plymouth started 40 minutes late after being held up by control who, we were told, were concerned that if we departed on time, there was a risk of delaying scheduled services because of the time it would take to "cross onto the South Devon Railway at Totnes".  If this really is what was the cause, it's the biggest load of hookum I've heard in a long time.

So, arrival at Buckfastleigh was some 40 minutes later than timetabled, cutting time down there considerably.  This situation was worsened when (after most passengers had detrained and were on the station, in the shop, off to visit the loco department, or wherever) the organisers decided it would be necessary to depart ten minutes early, so as not to run the risk of being late back at Totnes Riverside awaiting re-entry onto NR metals.  A shopful of probable buyers had to leave the shop empty handed

The train had been turned at Laira, so we were sitting on the landward side at Teignmouth, but by the time we'd again whizzed through Taunton, we were on the seaward side as we crossed the Somerset levels at sunset.  Something this former resident of Bridgwater found to be completely magical

We arrived at Bristol temple Meads early, only to set-down, but were held awaiting right time before departure.  Darkeness had fallen, but it was another journey in nostalgia to be moving along in the dark at 90

We were back at Warwick Parkway bang on time.  Standing and hearing Western Champion pull the coaches and trailing loco away with the taps fully open and off into the night was a spine tingling experience.  At Witham, I'd hear a D1000 at full chat shooting past, or pulling away with a stone train, maybe 20 times a shift.  I'd forgotten quite how emotional that sound is

 
Presentation / text for this evening - https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/mtug_20250513.pdf (subject to late change)

 

 

Given the economics of sleeper services would it be justified to modify their delay repay conditions?

It's awkward as some may be heading for onward connections and need that early arrival time - but their needs may be better met by them having travel insurance to cover disruption, which might meet the actual costs they may incur.

The Paddington arrival being ~05:04 and cabins to be vacated by 06:45, if GWR honours delay repay on the basis of that 5:04 arrival there must be many many travellers who'd regard anything before a 6:45 arrival as meeting their needs (and quite a few who'd be fine with 8am but of course Paddington needs the platform...) If, on the occasion that the service arrives an hour down, GWR are meeting a lot of delay repay claims on the basis of that 5:04 arrival it might be that they're compensating some for the hour or more that they'd have spent snoozing anyway.

More relaxed arrangements for delay repay on sleeper services might be for the general good as long as the railway doesn't then regard itself as deincentivised to run the services to time - but again, the avoidable costs involved in tying up a platform in the morning peak should address that.

Mark

 

Not many.

In fact with delay repay I expect most would be pretty happy.

Not ideal for passengers joining at stations enroute of course, but hopefully they would all be understanding of the reason.

 

* Longer time at EXD than it should have been.
* Via Honiton which probably makes it less slack
* Relief line most of the way from Reading to Paddington and at a time when Liz Line service running

Silly question - how many customers actually want to arrive in London before 07:00 anyway?

 
And didn't make any time up enroute, odd.
Such a slack scheduled running time to boot.

 

There's [sometime / often / usually] a heavy presence of [ BTP / staff / heavies] at Weymouth. As far as I am aware, there is no enforcement for passengers joining at intermediate stations, nor is there any need. I have travelled down to Weymouth on the incoming train, carrying extra staff for the purpose.