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Re: Champion Reflections
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [361421/30259/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:26, 10th May 2025
Already liked by PhilWakely
 
Thank you for those excellent 'reflections', PhilWakely. 


Re: Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361420/30255/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:20, 10th May 2025
 
Yes, please don't send broadgage off on that one again. 


Re: Final Destination: Riding Britain’s Trains to the End of the Line
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [361419/30253/49]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 23:13, 10th May 2025
 
Chesham - Alex Horne, though "lesser-travelled-to" is being stretched a bit I feel.  Anyone fancy a trawl through the station usage figures to work out the real least-used? I'd go for some of the current/former ferry ports being likely candidates.

Champion Reflections
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [361418/30259/47]
Posted by PhilWakely at 23:06, 10th May 2025
 
Vintage Trains ran the 'South Devon Explorer' railtour from Birmingham New Street to Plymouth via Banbury, Bath and Bristol on Saturday, 10th May 2025. The tour was headed throughout by an immaculately turned out Class 52, D1015 'Western Champion'. The return leg had a brief diversion up the South Devon Railway to Buckfastleigh and was assisted from the rear by Class 37, 37240. Weather conditions for photography were perfect.

I photted the outward leg of the tour at Ellerhayes Bridge, between Cullompton and Exeter; the South Devon Railway deviation at Dartington; and finally at Gibraltar Bridge, Cullompton.

As you would expect, photters were out in their numbers! I would have liked a wider angle shot of the tour by the River Dart, but any wider than this would have resulted in a swarm of cameras and photters in the image!










Re: Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361417/30255/25]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 23:03, 10th May 2025
 
Maybe I'm slimmer than some but I've never understood the widespread dislike of 2+3 seating on less-prestige routes.  Still room to spread out if lightly loaded but more chance of a seat at all when the train is busy.  Okay, perhaps many trains should be longer so the problem doesn't arise, but that's a different topic!

Polluting older buses 'offset' green benefits - May 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361416/30258/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:07, 10th May 2025
 
From the BBC:



There have been calls to speed up the introduction of newer, less polluting busses as figures revealed around 40% do not meet higher emissions standards.

While 60% of regular buses in north-east England meet the higher Euro VI engine standards, the rest have been described as offsetting some of the benefits of pollution reduction efforts.

Regional mayor Kim McGuinness, whose responsibilities include local transport, said she wanted every bus in the region to be zero emission within 10 years.

Bus companies Go North East and Arriva North East said they were investing in new vehicles. Stagecoach has been approached for comment.

In response to a freedom of information request, the North East Combined Authority (NECA) said its latest statistics on the issue were dated to February 2024 and it could only provide data for the area's three major bus firms.

Additionally, 15% of buses in the region were operated by smaller companies for which it did not have figures.

Of the big three, NECA said 33% of vehicles complied with the older Euro V engine standards rather than the latest Euro VI mark, but a further 6% had more outdated engines.

Prof Anil Namdeo, from Northumbria University, said: "Hybrid and electric buses are the way to go, but that requires commitment from the local and combined authorities."

Mayor McGuinness said by March 2026 there would be 113 electric buses across the region, making up about a 10th of the entire fleet.

She called on bus firms to speed up plans to bring in greener vehicles, adding she wants to introduce "binding targets".

Prof Prashant Kumar, at the University of Surrey, said nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions produced by vehicles which were Euro V compliant or lower were likely to be "substantial".

"The continued presence of older, higher emitting buses significantly offsets the benefits of newer Euro VI and electric vehicles," he said.

Nitrogen oxide can cause a range of respiratory and cardiovascular health problems, especially for those with pre-existing conditions like asthma and heart disease.

Prof Jill Belch from Dundee University said children in particular experience ill effects at lower levels than adults.

"Environmental air pollution is a major determinant of childhood asthma," she said.


Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361415/29650/26]
Posted by Trowres at 21:30, 10th May 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Mark A
 
ORR» has made it quite clear to NR that working on a !live" railway is basically no longer permitted without very stringent control measures

Would it be a good idea if the Office of Rail and Road also had responsibility for regulation of road safety? It might, for example, encourage ORR to develop policies that minimise overall casualties, instead of deterring people from using rail and pushing them onto a more dangerous mode of transport.

Re: Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361414/30256/19]
Posted by bradshaw at 19:58, 10th May 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
That was the site of Cattistock Halt, opposite is Cattistock Cricket Club where I spent many hours trying to play that game.

If open the Fix and Hounds at Cattistock would have been the better choice. The Chalk and Cheese used to be called the Brewery Inn. One of three pubs open when I moved there in 1976, the others were the White Horse and the Castle. The latter had a terrace on to the river.

The only bus now is the school bus to Beaminster School. There was a regular run years ago running Dorchester, Maiden Newton to Evershot and Yeovil but that stopped some years ago.
Plans are being developed for the section from Maiden Newton to Toller, which will be the last section to be opened for active travel.

Plans at Dorchester Record Office show that the north entrance of Evershot Tunnel needed the cuttings deepened and extended before opening of the line. The road over the tunnel at this point had to ve diverted.

Like other Dorset rivers, the Frome has parallel roads on either side - the winter and summer ways.  These form a circular walk to Evershot or to Rampisham.

Re: Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361413/30256/19]
Posted by grahame at 18:48, 10th May 2025
Already liked by johnneyw, Kempis, Timmer, PhilWakely
 
Part 4 (and you will be relieved this is the last section! - Cattistock and beside the River Frome to Maiden Newton

Cattistock Village


The lane runs under the railway - is this where the station used to be?


A path still runs up to the railway - but now private just for Network Rail


Through the countryside, the path here is far better marked


It runs also the valley of the River Frome, Irises in bloom


Out for a walk with the dog - bright one that waited for the ball to drift into the shallower sections.  Collies!


The old Bridport branch crossed the river here, with a footbridge and a sluice too




And a part of the old railway is now a path - but what a missed opportunity (or is it a latent opportunity still) for path, cycleway or narrow gauge railway all the way to Bridport?


And so via Maiden Newton Station to the Chalk and Cheese


Lovely to have a long, cold drink - bit disappointed at the limited food menu on offer.



Re: Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361412/30255/25]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 18:42, 10th May 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
There is one solitary odd one that has 3+2. I’ve always it originated elsewhere to the rest, or for a route that required 3+2.
It was away for quite some time in 2022 for a major exam and overhaul but came back in the same layout but reupholstered.

Re: Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361411/30256/19]
Posted by Mark A at 18:13, 10th May 2025
 
Given a station just out of the town/village, it can be rewarding to look for the pavement alongside the road that eased access to it - something that holds good even for long-vanished stations. That's something from which Chetnole doesn't benefit, mind - and even the village's 30 mph limit ends at the village boundary.

Mark

Re: Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361410/30255/25]
Posted by grahame at 17:55, 10th May 2025
 
I remember 2+3 in the Wales & West 150/2s, these were converted to 2+2 when they were refurbished by Wessex Trains in 2002/3.

I have looked back at my pictures, and I suspect the carriage with 2 + 3 was part on 150202.  Did it miss the refurb?  Was it a later arrival?

Re: Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361409/30256/19]
Posted by grahame at 17:37, 10th May 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Kempis, Timmer, PhilWakely
 
Part 3 - up to and over the tunnel, and roads down to Cattistock



From the road above, you can see how deep the cutting is and the work needed to keep it there


And above the tunnel all is tranquil


Until you come to the main A37 Yeovil to Dorchester Road


The tunnel mouth from the A37 ... used to be a double track main line


Speed restriction through the tunnel - relaxed to 75 once the train runs down the other side


A Disused(?) bus stop in Frome St Quentin and a phone box without a phone


There is a bus timetable starting in 2014 in the phone box - can't help thinking it's changes now?


Round here, the bird and bees - or rather the birds - have priority


And there are some very grand houses and far houses, and some very grand cars. No public transport to see. The trains run along the bottom of the valley and there's just a very occasion buzz as one passes. Masked from site, thank goodness!

Re: Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361407/30256/19]
Posted by grahame at 16:24, 10th May 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Kempis, Timmer, PhilWakely
 
Part 2 - across the fields towards Evershot Tunnel

The school bus - and, yes, the roads are still tight for buses


And across the fields to Melbury Bubb with some keeping my company




Beyond Melbury Bubb, the path was hard to follow - yes - through this farmyard


And I got the impression it's virtually unused


Relieved to see some way marking otherwise I would have had a clue


Heavy going though the grass.


And the locals so rarely see anyone they crowded all around me.  Yes - through their field


Hit a minor road up for a final ascent to the top over the tunnel - next part

Putting a number on the effect on passengers of cancellations
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [361406/30257/3]
Posted by grahame at 14:59, 10th May 2025
 
There's never been an obvious measure that I've seen to compare the effect of service cancellations  on passengers. Which is a shame, because passenger trains are provided (or are supposed to be) for the people who use them - or could use them - and who live near the stations. 

I remember a web site someehere to the south of where I live that use to shout that trains were cancelled for OPERATIONAL CONVENIENCE ... and clearly there is no measure there.   

So what have I tried?
* The population within the station catchment area multipled it by
* The percentage of short notice cancellations over the past 12 weeks and multiplied that by
* The average daytime interval between trains in the most frequent direction

So for example - Frome -
Catchment area population   - 25000
Average gap between trains in the same direction on the major service - 50
Cancellation Rate - 3 (percent)
Multiply together - 3,750,000 - and the lower the figure, the better

Trowbridge:
Average gap between trains in the same direction on the major service - 20
Cancellation Rate - 3 (percent)
Catchment area population   - 40000
Multiply together - 2,400,000

Salisbury:
Average gap between trains in the same direction on the major service - 30
Cancellation Rate - 2 (percent)
Catchment area population   - 45000
Multiply together - 2,700,000

Tisbury:
Average gap between trains in the same direction on the major service - 60
Cancellation Rate - 1 (percent)
Catchment area population   - 2500
Multiply together - 150,000

This is clearly not going to work particularly well for stations which are primarily destinations - the population of Looe, for example, is low and catchment is a poor choice.  Similarly, where stations are predomianty city stations with long distance traffic and rail does not form so much of a short distance facility such as Plymouth they will be outside this symplistic envelope - but what do others think of the methodology before I share other figure in our area?

Re: Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361405/30255/25]
Posted by Zoe at 14:51, 10th May 2025
 
I remember 2+3 in the Wales & West 150/2s, these were converted to 2+2 when they were refurbished by Wessex Trains in 2002/3.

Re: Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361404/30255/25]
Posted by WSW Frome at 14:41, 10th May 2025
 
The 2+3 seats shown seem to be the original type and layout installed in the early versions of 150 sprinters. I did think this was the blunt ended 150/0 series only. Someone else may know better.

Re: Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361403/30256/19]
Posted by bradshaw at 14:29, 10th May 2025
 
The Chetnole Inn was a regular watering place when the evening trains were loco hauled!

Day trip to Chetnole - and a walk to Maiden Newton - report and pics
In "Heart of Wessex" [361402/30256/19]
Posted by grahame at 13:59, 10th May 2025
Already liked by bradshaw, Kempis, GBM, PhilWakely
 
Part 1

Friday 9th May 2025 ... 06:32 Melksham towards Southampton, change at Westbury (06:48 arrival to 06:50 departure) onto the train towards Weymouth.   The risky change works, as I understand it "usually" does from regulars.   You know who they are because they position themselves for a rapid sprint though the subway!

The train calls on request at Thornford (where we picked up three people), Yetminster (which we skipped) and Chetnole (where it stopped just to let me off.

The city of Chetnole is situated a few hundred yards from the station, which is set in the countryside.  Makes sense really, as a railway station in the city itself and no-where near the railway would not make sense.  More seriously, the station is a rare survivor of the major cull around 60 years ago, said to have been because of the narrow lanes making it hard to run replacement buses.   These days, it's well kept though not wheel chair accessible, and I wonder if it much more use could be made of it by extending Chetnole (OK, it's a village really) toward the station - Cranbrook and Copplestone stile - and there are a handful of others in GWR territory where it has happened or there's obvious potential.












Two plus Three seating in class 150?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [361401/30255/25]
Posted by grahame at 13:18, 10th May 2025
 
From my visit to Cornwall last month - I recall (but didn't get round to reporting) a class 150 carriage with 2+3 seating - whereas my old recollections are of 2+2.   Can someone fill me in ...   Thanks




Re: New road bridge over River Clyde opens to traffic - May 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361400/30252/51]
Posted by grahame at 13:11, 10th May 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, GBM
 
A poor image ... but I just love this from my feed this morning of Waverley on sea trails passing the new bridge. Hopefully a scene to be repeated many times in coming years


Re: Melksham Transport User Group AGM - 13th May 2025
In "TransWilts line" [361399/30143/18]
Posted by grahame at 12:58, 10th May 2025
 
Email to people with a registered interest in the Melksham Transport Use Group

[[Following is an announcement - see also personal note at end ]]

Ladies and Gentlemen

Last week was a huge news week - internationally, for the UK and locally, and our Melksham Transport User Group meeting on 13th May failed to make the cut for the Melksham News in amongst elections, VE Day preparations and the rest. That is totally their editorial decision - but very disappointing personally as I look to re-envigourate our public transport user group.

The steps public transport has taken forward in the last couple of years are incredible - but they are just steps and much remains to be done. As a community, we need to inform and encourage "our own" to use public transport - providing help and information for residents, and infomation and encouragement to operators and specifiers and to those who influence them for us via local and central government.

There is no panic to reset next week or even next month - much of this is longer term stuff - but there is a need to keep our community input active to ensure we are not overlooked and left further behing than Melksham is already. And that's both by promoting and using current services, and working for better future ones.

The meeting on 13th May goes ahead - at 19:00 at The Campus (SN12 6ES) and all are welcome.  All are not only welcome but more than that - encouraged - to attend.  Not just a meeting for the sake of a meeting - an update on transport and travel and a rallying call and look forward.

This notice is circulated to several dozen friends and colleagues who have been / are working on this with me in interest and will also be shared wider

Graham

Graham Ellis - graham@sn12.net
Links via https://www.sn12.net
07974 925 928 / 01225 708225
48 Spa Road, Melksham SN12 7NY, UK

Personal note - I think I am more exhausted than I care to admit - perhaps due to what I have found to be pressures of four years as a Town Councillor - and I have let some of the public transport elements lapse. But yet there has been some excellent stuff going on and I look forward to a revival of my activities, though still looking to pass much of mante on to a wider group.  I’m styling this late spring and early summer as a recharge  / sabbatical - some envigourating updating already for anyone who follows me on social media, and Lisa an I are headed off physically a couple of days after next week’s meeting for both a recharge break and - knowing us - for learning more about transport issues in the land of far, far away.

Arrest after rape and sexual assault of two girls at Digby & Sowton, 9 May 2025
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [361398/30254/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:39, 10th May 2025
 
From the BBC:



A man has been arrested after a 16-year-old girl was raped and a 17-year-old girl was sexually assaulted in Exeter on Friday night.

The 19-year-old man, from Exeter, was arrested on suspicion of rape and sexual assault and remains in police custody, Devon and Cornwall Police said.

Both incidents happened in the area of Digby and Sowton train station between 20:45 and 22:00 BST, the force added.

Det Ch Insp Dave Pebworth said officers are not looking for anyone else in connection with the incidents.

Police said the 16-year-old girl was raped at about 21:00 on Clyst Halt Avenue.

About half an hour later, the 17-year-old girl was sexually assaulted on the train platform, and further assaulted while on a train travelling to Exeter St David's.

Det Ch Insp Pebworth said: "We believe that there were lots of people in the area of Digby and Sowton last night and we are urging anyone with information which may assist us to please get in touch. A number of scene guards will be in place today as we continue our investigation and there is an increased high visibility presence."


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361397/29726/18]
Posted by GBM at 12:34, 10th May 2025
 
This is NOT the right forum section BUT.
10:45 London Paddington to Weston-Super-Mare due 12:35
10:45 London Paddington to Weston-Super-Mare due 12:35 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.
11:12 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads due 12:31
11:12 Salisbury to Bristol Temple Meads due 12:31 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.
15:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 20:42
15:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance due 20:42 will be cancelled.
This is due to a broken down train.

One unit breaks down and three services cancelled?

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361396/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 10:07, 10th May 2025
 
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25 is being delayed between Swindon and Chippenham.
This is due to a broken down train.

20 minutes late into Westbury and no significant connections missed, return train left on time.   This turned out to be a pinprick of a delay compared to yesterday's major rupture when the train broke down which lead to the complete cancellation of six services.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [361395/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:23, 10th May 2025
 
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25
08:44 Swindon to Westbury due 09:25 is being delayed between Swindon and Chippenham.
This is due to a broken down train.

Re: trainee drivers will be allowed to drive trains from age 18
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361394/30247/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:57, 10th May 2025
 
Will they have Sunday as part of their working week too?

May be everyone no matter who their employer is should have legally mandated Sunday working  as part of their contract of employment ...................I can see that going down like a lead balloon, very Orwellian.


Most other services & industries seem to manage 7 day working pretty effectively already - only need to fix the things that are broken.

Re: trainee drivers will be allowed to drive trains from age 18
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361393/30247/51]
Posted by Electric train at 06:47, 10th May 2025
 
Will they have Sunday as part of their working week too?

May be everyone no matter who their employer is should have legally mandated Sunday working  as part of their contract of employment ...................I can see that going down like a lead balloon, very Orwellian.

I do not see it being a problem of trainees starting to drive under supervision at 18, the competence assessment process to pass out as a Driver is rigorous   

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [361392/29650/26]
Posted by Electric train at 06:39, 10th May 2025
Already liked by GBM, IndustryInsider
 
Is the absence of crew that are able to make the repair during daylight hours a new thing or a recent (past 5yrs) thing?
From a non-expert/passenger perspective it seems remiss not to be able to fix problems for 12+ hours after they occur, but is the logic that the disruption to fix during daylight hours is => than managing the closed line for a day?

Very good question, certainly the habit of routinely forecasting disruption "until the end of the day" seems quite a recent development.

I too do find the idea that there is no-one available from Network Rail to react to this type of incident for 12 hours incredible, especially given the significance, and state of the infrastructure in the Paddington-Reading area - these are hardly isolated incidents.



I suspect that the issue may relate to access for staff to a live railway.   In older day and you still see it in other counties, trains run on adjacent lines while work is ongoing but in order to reduce / eliminate as far as possible casualties, it's very rare if at all these days.  So that means as nighttime stoppage ...

I feel for staff having to put a time on disruption and how long it will go on.  The honest thing to say is "we don't know" but that is not helpful without an estimate, and systems are not set up to say "probably" and "possibly" and "if we're lucky", and I'm not sure how such terms and information would be taken by members of the public who are less analytic than readers here.

There is are a number of reasons why the repair cannot be undertaken in the day.
NR has geared up it workforce to carryout maintenance on track to nights, for a number of reasons first is workforce safety, the ORR has made it quite clear to NR that working on a !live" railway is basically no longer permitted without very stringent control measures, second is performance maintenance during the day would impact on service performance.
On and Off tracking the OTM's (on track machines) to move the equipment and materials to site during normal train running is high risk, also the OTM's may be in the wrong place and need transporting by road.   

If a temporary repair could have been made then it would have with reduced speed.

The question that I am sure the Route and TOCs will be asking is why yet another "catastrophic" broken rail on the Western ML

 
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