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| Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR) In "Across the West" [373433/28982/26] Posted by John D at 09:18, 20th March 2026 | ![]() |
Should be 175111 with another two 3-cars pencilled in for April.
There’s also a move in the system for Ely to Wolverton so potentially another 175 to attempt to get working!
There’s also a move in the system for Ely to Wolverton so potentially another 175 to attempt to get working!
175111 arrived at Wolverton 9th October, so has taken 5.5 months.
If another unit arriving today from Ely takes the same duration, will reappear in September
| Where are people going - top tourist attractions in 2025 In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [373432/31761/31] Posted by grahame at 06:55, 20th March 2026 | ![]() |
from Association of Leading Visitor Attractions - my graphic from their figure for attractions in the South West

Here is the "base data" for the South West, showing national ranking number in the first column
:
25 Stonehenge 1253405
32 Roman Baths and Pump Room 1034160
47 Longleat 790533
48 Moors Valley (Forestry England) 787620
59 Eden Project 679076
71 Westonbirt - The National Arboretum Forestry England 617032
87 Forestry England Haldon 496758
109 Stourhead 415208
111 St Michael's Mount 403711
116 Kingston Lacy 398634
117 Tyntesfield 398389
129 Forestry England Beechenhurst 341958
141 Tintagel Castle 303096
144 Forestry England Forest of Dean Cycle Centre 291038
159 WWT Slimbridge 263731
165 Salisbury Cathedral with Magna Carta 252513
170 Dyrham 250885
171 RHS Garden Rosemoor 250884
172 Lacock 248511
177 Forestry England Cardinham 242044
179 Corfe Castle 239483
182 Killerton 234588
187 Tate St Ives 224652
193 The Tank Museum 219792
195 Trelissick 217048
204 Forestry England Mallards Pike 200970
206 Lanhydrock 193401
213 Cheddar Gorge and Caves 177167
217 Dunster 164667
219 Forestry England Symonds Yat 160940
224 Saltram 147638
233 Brunel's SS Great Britain 131056
269 Fleet Air Arm Museum 80338
273 Pendennis Castle 76568
32 Roman Baths and Pump Room 1034160
47 Longleat 790533
48 Moors Valley (Forestry England) 787620
59 Eden Project 679076
71 Westonbirt - The National Arboretum Forestry England 617032
87 Forestry England Haldon 496758
109 Stourhead 415208
111 St Michael's Mount 403711
116 Kingston Lacy 398634
117 Tyntesfield 398389
129 Forestry England Beechenhurst 341958
141 Tintagel Castle 303096
144 Forestry England Forest of Dean Cycle Centre 291038
159 WWT Slimbridge 263731
165 Salisbury Cathedral with Magna Carta 252513
170 Dyrham 250885
171 RHS Garden Rosemoor 250884
172 Lacock 248511
177 Forestry England Cardinham 242044
179 Corfe Castle 239483
182 Killerton 234588
187 Tate St Ives 224652
193 The Tank Museum 219792
195 Trelissick 217048
204 Forestry England Mallards Pike 200970
206 Lanhydrock 193401
213 Cheddar Gorge and Caves 177167
217 Dunster 164667
219 Forestry England Symonds Yat 160940
224 Saltram 147638
233 Brunel's SS Great Britain 131056
269 Fleet Air Arm Museum 80338
273 Pendennis Castle 76568
UK tops - No. 1 is the Natural History Museum with 7.1 million visitors and second is the British Museum with 6.4 million.
Base data mirrored for members at https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/alva2025.pdf
BBC article at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70n09pz4y1o
Possibly also because (as I understand it) we've lost some of the Electrostar fleet to other routes. To be fair (but see concluding comment below) a lot of this was because there were a lot of 8-car Electrostar trains running very lightly loaded off-peak between Paddington and Didcot.
BUT... had we got the electrification all the way to Oxford and on the Thames Valley branches as I believe was anticipated when they were ordered, those trains (and the ones refitted for Heathrow Express use) might have been more fully used.
I think more issues were caused by the DfT insisting on the withdrawal of the castle HSTs whist not authorising the use of 175’s, and the failed 769 project.
Not electrifying through to Oxford is a huge mistake and must be deeply frustrating for GWR, even a delay on the scheme by a year or two would be acceptable, but to just stop is plain ridiculous. Electrification, whilst you had the trained workforce and equipment, should have been a rolling programme of gradual expansion.
| Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR) In "Across the West" [373430/28982/26] Posted by a-driver at 06:32, 20th March 2026 | ![]() |
Should be 175111 with another two 3-cars pencilled in for April.
There’s also a move in the system for Ely to Wolverton so potentially another 175 to attempt to get working!
| Re: Go-Op Cooperative - proposals for additional rail services In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [373429/11010/28] Posted by grahame at 06:12, 20th March 2026 | ![]() |
If you were a driver, would you sign up with this outfit? Do you think you'll get paid/a longterm job?
Chris - with a personal risk assessment and "Plan B" - yes, I might sign up to drive for them. Looking at issues like career steps, training, work principles and environment. Some jobs (how about those people who drive trains west rather than east from Bishops Lydeard, for example) are not actually all about the pay / if any; amazing what can be done voluntarily.
I do note the financial and operational elements of running a service Norden to Wareham where the hurdles seem so high they have defeated the scheme, and that feels like a microcosm of what Go-Op faces. Which does not - for either Wareham (or Melksham) eliminate the significant benefits it should bring to the area.
| Bet on how late your train will be? In "The Lighter Side" [373428/31760/30] Posted by grahame at 03:58, 20th March 2026 | ![]() |
From European Rail Timetable news blog
Betting on the Delay: BahnBet Turns Deutsche Bahn Frustration into a Game
Anyone who has travelled regularly on the German rail network will be familiar with the experience: checking the departure board, watching the minutes tick up, and wondering just how late the train will be this time. BahnBet is a tongue-in-cheek website that turns that familiar frustration into a playful social experiment.
The platform invites users to “bet” on the delay of long-distance trains, from ICE services to IC and EC departures. The twist is that no real money is involved. Every participant begins with €1,000 of entirely fictional “caßh”, which can be staked on predictions about how late a particular train will arrive. Using a simple slider, users guess the delay – anywhere from zero to 90 minutes – and then wait to see how close they were once the train finally reaches its destination.
Anyone who has travelled regularly on the German rail network will be familiar with the experience: checking the departure board, watching the minutes tick up, and wondering just how late the train will be this time. BahnBet is a tongue-in-cheek website that turns that familiar frustration into a playful social experiment.
The platform invites users to “bet” on the delay of long-distance trains, from ICE services to IC and EC departures. The twist is that no real money is involved. Every participant begins with €1,000 of entirely fictional “caßh”, which can be staked on predictions about how late a particular train will arrive. Using a simple slider, users guess the delay – anywhere from zero to 90 minutes – and then wait to see how close they were once the train finally reaches its destination.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373427/31359/18] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:43, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
As an aside: when my daughter made her rather extended rail excursion, on a Sunday 'official' diversion return journey from Cardiff Central to Nailsea & Backwell via Bristol Parkway - she somehow managed to travel via Didcot Parkway - but (through 'delay/repay') she received a full refund of her whole ticket. She was delighted!

| Re: Go-Op Cooperative - proposals for additional rail services In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [373426/11010/28] Posted by ChrisB at 21:03, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
If you were a driver, would you sign up with this outfit? Do you think you'll get paid/a longterm job?
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373425/31359/18] Posted by matth1j at 19:32, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Not sure how much to claim though - the next service from Chippenham to Melksham is the 19:07 to Salisbury, over an hour later than the cancelled service (due 17:59). However if I didn't have the bus option I would have taken the train from Bristol to Trowbridge instead of Chippenham, then the 18:43 from there to arrive in Melksham at 18:53, less than an hour late.
Having filled in the form, and ticked the 30-59 min delay box, the summary does show Chippenham as the intermediate station. So perhaps they only consider alternatives along the same route; we'll see...I'm not that bothered about the ~£2.50 difference, but it's nice when it covers the cost of the bus ticket.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373424/31359/18] Posted by matth1j at 19:20, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
Not sure how much to claim though - the next service from Chippenham to Melksham is the 19:07 to Salisbury, over an hour later than the cancelled service (due 17:59). However if I didn't have the bus option I would have taken the train from Bristol to Trowbridge instead of Chippenham, then the 18:43 from there to arrive in Melksham at 18:53, less than an hour late.
I'll claim the <1 hour; last time I did that I was refunded for >=1 hour, I suspect because the <1 hour route I took included changing between trains that were too close together to be an official connection.
| King Charles III opens world's longest coastal path around England In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373423/31759/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:20, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
From the BBC:
King opens world's longest coastal path around England

2,689 miles and 18 years in the making, King Charles III opens his namesake coastal path
King Charles has inaugurated a new footpath stretching around the entire coast of England.
At 2,689 miles long, it is the longest managed coastal walking route in the world, according to Natural England, the government body which created it.
Its name is quite a trek too - King Charles III England Coast Path - but for the first time it creates a continuous trail, allowing walkers to explore England's shoreline step by step.
Along the way, it passes through some of the country's most beautiful and varied landscapes, from salt marshes and sandy beaches to cliffs, dunes and historic coastal towns.

Among the highlights is the iconic chalk downland of the Seven Sisters in East Sussex, which also forms part of a newly designated National Nature Reserve being announced by Natural England.
The King inaugurated the coastal path and the new nature reserve at a reception hosted by the South Downs National Park Authority. He later walked a section of the newly completed path at Seven Sisters, joined by Natural England Chair Tony Juniper and Environment Secretary Emma Reynolds.
Juniper said the path "is a testament to how public enjoyment, conservation, heritage, history and community can come together, helping make life better for millions of people."
Much of the new coastal route already existed, but more than 1,000 miles of new paths have been created, and many other sections upgraded. Paths have been resurfaced, stiles removed, boardwalks built and bridges installed.

A new boardwalk over salt flats near Portsmouth has been built for the path
The project was initiated during Gordon Brown's government, and it has taken 18 years and seven prime ministers to get to this stage.
About 80% of the route is now open and most of the rest of the path is due to be completed by the end of the year.
(BBC article continues)

2,689 miles and 18 years in the making, King Charles III opens his namesake coastal path
King Charles has inaugurated a new footpath stretching around the entire coast of England.
At 2,689 miles long, it is the longest managed coastal walking route in the world, according to Natural England, the government body which created it.
Its name is quite a trek too - King Charles III England Coast Path - but for the first time it creates a continuous trail, allowing walkers to explore England's shoreline step by step.
Along the way, it passes through some of the country's most beautiful and varied landscapes, from salt marshes and sandy beaches to cliffs, dunes and historic coastal towns.

Among the highlights is the iconic chalk downland of the Seven Sisters in East Sussex, which also forms part of a newly designated National Nature Reserve being announced by Natural England.
The King inaugurated the coastal path and the new nature reserve at a reception hosted by the South Downs National Park Authority. He later walked a section of the newly completed path at Seven Sisters, joined by Natural England Chair Tony Juniper and Environment Secretary Emma Reynolds.
Juniper said the path "is a testament to how public enjoyment, conservation, heritage, history and community can come together, helping make life better for millions of people."
Much of the new coastal route already existed, but more than 1,000 miles of new paths have been created, and many other sections upgraded. Paths have been resurfaced, stiles removed, boardwalks built and bridges installed.

A new boardwalk over salt flats near Portsmouth has been built for the path
The project was initiated during Gordon Brown's government, and it has taken 18 years and seven prime ministers to get to this stage.
About 80% of the route is now open and most of the rest of the path is due to be completed by the end of the year.
(BBC article continues)
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373422/31005/51] Posted by ChrisB at 17:52, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
DfT» cost saving
Possibly also because (as I understand it) we've lost some of the Electrostar fleet to other routes.
One & the same.....
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373421/31005/51] Posted by eightonedee at 17:16, 19th March 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
Anyone care to explain logic of why if passengers are growing, GWR shorten the average number of carriages per train please
DfT» cost saving
Possibly also because (as I understand it) we've lost some of the Electrostar fleet to other routes. To be fair (but see concluding comment below) a lot of this was because there were a lot of 8-car Electrostar trains running very lightly loaded off-peak between Paddington and Didcot.
BUT... had we got the electrification all the way to Oxford and on the Thames Valley branches as I believe was anticipated when they were ordered, those trains (and the ones refitted for Heathrow Express use) might have been more fully used.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373420/31359/18] Posted by grahame at 16:32, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373419/31005/51] Posted by a-driver at 15:04, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Anyone care to explain logic of why if passengers are growing, GWR shorten the average number of carriages per train please
DfT cost saving.
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373418/31005/51] Posted by John D at 14:32, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Latest ORR quarterly data is now published
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/2hto1os3/passenger-rail-usage-oct-dec-2025.pdf
For GWR
Passenger numbers up 6% on 2024 to 23.8m
Passenger km up 5% on 2024
so on average journeys are 0.5% shorter
Train km up 3% to 11.6m km
Vehicle km up 2% to 68.2m km
so trains have on average got bit shorter
Clearly if passenger km increase is 3% more than train carriage km increase, then on average every journey is now 3% busier (so crowding is more likely).
Anyone care to explain logic of why if passengers are growing, GWR shorten the average number of carriages per train please
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373417/31359/18] Posted by matth1j at 12:21, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
What has happened?
Some axle counters, part of the signalling system, have stopped working in the Swindon area that is affecting the services to Gloucester and to Melksham. Axle counters tell the signalling system if a section of track has a train on it. If an axle counter stops working, trains need to stop at the affected signal so that the driver can speak to the signaller to confirm if the track ahead is clear.
We are working with Network Rail to be able to return to running the normal timetable as soon as possible.
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service-disruptions/kemble-20260319/
| Re: Scotrail contract for 22 5car 222 (ex EMR) In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373416/31758/51] Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:50, 19th March 2026 Already liked by Clan Line | ![]() |
One can only hope that their record with trains is better than that with ferries.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373415/31359/18] Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:48, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Cancellations to services between Swindon and Melksham
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Melksham the line is blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 13:00 19/03.
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026 In "London to the Cotswolds" [373414/31371/14] Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:08, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
A sad event today, 19 March.
A person was hit by a train, between Moreton in Marsh (as far as I can tell) and Evesham. No news released at present
The 0851 Paddington to Great Malvern departed Moreton in Marsh on time, but there's no report on RTT of it arriving at Honeybourne
1053 Paddington to Wortcester Shrub Hill cancelled throughout, as is the 1151 Paddington to Hereford. The return working of both have also been cancelled
My thoughts and prayers are with all involved in this horrible business
| Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026 In "Across the West" [373413/31163/26] Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:47, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
From National Rail;
Description
Lines have reopened following an earlier fault with the signalling system at Slough. Trains between London Paddington and Reading are returning to normal but may still be delayed by up to 25 minutes.
Disruption is expected until 12:00.
Presumably because the Scottish Assembly is prepared to pay for it?
Yes, obviously put quality in much higher priority
But I suppose it is reflection of different countries approaches, Scotland goes in for rolling electrification programme, no difference between peak and off peak fares, and high quality train interiors.
But here in England we are in second tier on quality (could argue bottom tier, with make do approach, when it comes to fixing something like IET seats).
Like most of these comparisons, it's related to the "West Lothian question". The Union government and Parliament do not hand over a defined English budget to a devolved English administration - not even one that's the same people as the Union ones wearing hats with one less colour. So if borrowing is too high, but more money is needed for defence (very mush a Union matter), the Treasury will tour departments jangling their thumbscrews and demanding their cut from domestic English spending.
Of course on top of that DfT might be worse at making timely decisions then ... pretty well anyone, really.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026 In "TransWilts line" [373411/31359/18] Posted by bobm at 10:15, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28
09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:28 has been cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:47 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 12:59
12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 12:59 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 12:59 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57
13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
Another update, from the BBC:
Historic pier gets £19m to complete restoration
The restoration of a crumbling historic pier can be completed after the government allocated a further £19m to the project.
The money from the Growth Mission Fund will be invested into Birnbeck Pier in Weston-super-Mare, North Somerset, to create a new cultural space, restore the historic clock tower and turnstiles, repair the 1888 boathouse, renovate the pavilion buildings and restore the North Jetty.
The Grade II-listed pier has been closed for more than 30 years due to safety concerns, but work on a £20m project to restore it is under way.
Dan Aldridge, the MP for Weston-super-Mare, said: "For too long the pier stood as a symbol of decline. Now it will become a symbol of Weston's comeback."
The money allocated by the government comes from a pot aimed at providing investment in town centres and communities.
Aldridge told the government Weston-super-Mare "could not afford to miss out" on receiving a share of the fund, he said. He added: "Birnbeck should be a hub for Weston - somewhere people come together, where opportunities are created and where the whole town can feel proud again."
North Somerset Council leader Mike Bell called the money "game-changing".
"A year ago we thought that the project was in jeopardy," he said. "We can now fast-track the work on the island and the land-side to really bring the pier and island back to life and hopefully boost the economy of Weston-super-Mare for generations to come."
Birnbeck, known locally as 'The Old Pier', is the only pier in the UK to link to an island - a small, rocky piece of land known as Birnbeck Island.
Since its closure, the pier has been battered by storms, partially collapsed into the sea and has become too unsafe for the former resident RNLI lifeboat crews to use.
The restoration project is expected to be completed by summer 2027.
The restoration of a crumbling historic pier can be completed after the government allocated a further £19m to the project.
The money from the Growth Mission Fund will be invested into Birnbeck Pier in Weston-super-Mare, North Somerset, to create a new cultural space, restore the historic clock tower and turnstiles, repair the 1888 boathouse, renovate the pavilion buildings and restore the North Jetty.
The Grade II-listed pier has been closed for more than 30 years due to safety concerns, but work on a £20m project to restore it is under way.
Dan Aldridge, the MP for Weston-super-Mare, said: "For too long the pier stood as a symbol of decline. Now it will become a symbol of Weston's comeback."
The money allocated by the government comes from a pot aimed at providing investment in town centres and communities.
Aldridge told the government Weston-super-Mare "could not afford to miss out" on receiving a share of the fund, he said. He added: "Birnbeck should be a hub for Weston - somewhere people come together, where opportunities are created and where the whole town can feel proud again."
North Somerset Council leader Mike Bell called the money "game-changing".
"A year ago we thought that the project was in jeopardy," he said. "We can now fast-track the work on the island and the land-side to really bring the pier and island back to life and hopefully boost the economy of Weston-super-Mare for generations to come."
Birnbeck, known locally as 'The Old Pier', is the only pier in the UK to link to an island - a small, rocky piece of land known as Birnbeck Island.
Since its closure, the pier has been battered by storms, partially collapsed into the sea and has become too unsafe for the former resident RNLI lifeboat crews to use.
The restoration project is expected to be completed by summer 2027.
| Re: The sounds of a sleeper In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [373409/31756/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:56, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
| Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [373408/26929/52] Posted by John D at 09:23, 19th March 2026 Already liked by Mark A | ![]() |
Looks like competition might be happening year or two before Virgin.
Trenitalia have signed a 35 year deal for a maintenance depot near Paris, which when fully open will be able to handle 25 trains, including those for its proposed service to London
Trenitalia France has signed a 35-year lease with SNCF Réseau for a rail site at Maisons-Alfort Pompadour, southeast of Paris, where it will build a high-speed train maintenance centre.
The facility will maintain Trenitalia’s Frecciarossa high-speed fleet operating in France and will also support planned Paris–London services via the Channel Tunnel. The depot is intended to strengthen the operator’s fleet management and maintenance capacity in the French market.
The site will operate 24 hours a day and include three tracks equipped for the simultaneous maintenance of three trains. It will also feature dedicated installations for train washing, cleaning and stabling. Once fully operational, the depot will be able to accommodate up to 25 trains.
The facility will maintain Trenitalia’s Frecciarossa high-speed fleet operating in France and will also support planned Paris–London services via the Channel Tunnel. The depot is intended to strengthen the operator’s fleet management and maintenance capacity in the French market.
The site will operate 24 hours a day and include three tracks equipped for the simultaneous maintenance of three trains. It will also feature dedicated installations for train washing, cleaning and stabling. Once fully operational, the depot will be able to accommodate up to 25 trains.
https://railmarket.com/news/infrastructure/53186-trenitalia-france-signs-35-year-lease-for-eur-80m-paris-depot
| Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR) In "Across the West" [373407/28982/26] Posted by John D at 09:17, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
There is a path for another class delivery from Wolverton tomorrow (Friday), 4 weeks after last one.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K63327/2026-03-20/detailed
I think 6 units are still stored at Ely, and haven't even got to Wolverton yet, and Wolverton often seems to have them about 4 months
| Re: Scotrail contract for 22 5car 222 (ex EMR) In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373406/31758/51] Posted by John D at 08:55, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Presumably because the Scottish Assembly is prepared to pay for it?
Yes, obviously put quality in much higher priority
But I suppose it is reflection of different countries approaches, Scotland goes in for rolling electrification programme, no difference between peak and off peak fares, and high quality train interiors.
But here in England we are in second tier on quality (could argue bottom tier, with make do approach, when it comes to fixing something like IET seats).
| Re: Scotrail contract for 22 5car 222 (ex EMR) In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373405/31758/51] Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:29, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Scotrail has agreed deal to get 22 trains (ex east Midlands)
Will be introduced 2027 - December 2028 replacing the HSTs.
10 year maintenance contract, with possible extension to March 2042
Giving the refurbishment with things that can only be dreamed of in GWR land eg maximising alignment with windows, new reservation systems (if Scotrail can have new systems for 9-14 years, why do we still have empty reservation seat back card slots on 166s with no replacement, that could have been used 15-20 years during which have mere counted place reservations)
https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/news/scotrail-announces-plans-to-replace-high-speed-trains?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQof6xjbGNrBCh_nWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHljda9jhXBbg2vEG9f5zIs2tDSgk885XFmQZvjqihMEauYT_a8Wv5eA9NvYK_aem_f1j2hFpIo50bsv88Cit0qQ
https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2026/3/alstom-secures-long-term-train-services-and-refurbishment-contracts-ps330-million1-eu380-million-scotrail-and-beacon-uk
Will be introduced 2027 - December 2028 replacing the HSTs.
10 year maintenance contract, with possible extension to March 2042
Giving the refurbishment with things that can only be dreamed of in GWR land eg maximising alignment with windows, new reservation systems (if Scotrail can have new systems for 9-14 years, why do we still have empty reservation seat back card slots on 166s with no replacement, that could have been used 15-20 years during which have mere counted place reservations)
Refurbishment will be undertaken by Alstom and the makeover will include:
Full exterior repaint and updated livery.
Comprehensive interior refresh, including new carpets and full interior repaint.
A new passenger information system, including multimedia displays.
New Wi-Fi with Low Earth Orbit Satellite connectivity and voice-over-internet phone capability.
Family friendly area, providing space for passengers with an unfolded pushchair.
Wheelchair facilities in both First Class and two spaces in Standard Class.
Storage for six bikes.
New electronic seat reservation system.
New CCTV system – enhancing the safety and security of customers and staff.
Intelligent Engine Start Stop (automatically stops an engine to reduce emissions).
New First and Standard Class seats and tables, with plug sockets, USB-A and USB-C at every seat.
Onboard catering facilities to support at seat and trolley service.
Reconfigured carriage layout to maximise window alignment and luggage storage.
Full exterior repaint and updated livery.
Comprehensive interior refresh, including new carpets and full interior repaint.
A new passenger information system, including multimedia displays.
New Wi-Fi with Low Earth Orbit Satellite connectivity and voice-over-internet phone capability.
Family friendly area, providing space for passengers with an unfolded pushchair.
Wheelchair facilities in both First Class and two spaces in Standard Class.
Storage for six bikes.
New electronic seat reservation system.
New CCTV system – enhancing the safety and security of customers and staff.
Intelligent Engine Start Stop (automatically stops an engine to reduce emissions).
New First and Standard Class seats and tables, with plug sockets, USB-A and USB-C at every seat.
Onboard catering facilities to support at seat and trolley service.
Reconfigured carriage layout to maximise window alignment and luggage storage.
https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/news/scotrail-announces-plans-to-replace-high-speed-trains?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQof6xjbGNrBCh_nWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHljda9jhXBbg2vEG9f5zIs2tDSgk885XFmQZvjqihMEauYT_a8Wv5eA9NvYK_aem_f1j2hFpIo50bsv88Cit0qQ
https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2026/3/alstom-secures-long-term-train-services-and-refurbishment-contracts-ps330-million1-eu380-million-scotrail-and-beacon-uk
Presumably because the Scottish Assembly is prepared to pay for it?
| Scotrail contract for 22 5car 222 (ex EMR) In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373404/31758/51] Posted by John D at 08:18, 19th March 2026 | ![]() |
Scotrail has agreed deal to get 22 trains (ex east Midlands)
Will be introduced 2027 - December 2028 replacing the HSTs.
10 year maintenance contract, with possible extension to March 2042
Giving the refurbishment with things that can only be dreamed of in GWR land eg maximising alignment with windows, new reservation systems (if Scotrail can have new systems for 9-14 years, why do we still have empty reservation seat back card slots on 166s with no replacement, that could have been used 15-20 years during which have mere counted place reservations)
Refurbishment will be undertaken by Alstom and the makeover will include:
Full exterior repaint and updated livery.
Comprehensive interior refresh, including new carpets and full interior repaint.
A new passenger information system, including multimedia displays.
New Wi-Fi with Low Earth Orbit Satellite connectivity and voice-over-internet phone capability.
Family friendly area, providing space for passengers with an unfolded pushchair.
Wheelchair facilities in both First Class and two spaces in Standard Class.
Storage for six bikes.
New electronic seat reservation system.
New CCTV system – enhancing the safety and security of customers and staff.
Intelligent Engine Start Stop (automatically stops an engine to reduce emissions).
New First and Standard Class seats and tables, with plug sockets, USB-A and USB-C at every seat.
Onboard catering facilities to support at seat and trolley service.
Reconfigured carriage layout to maximise window alignment and luggage storage.
Full exterior repaint and updated livery.
Comprehensive interior refresh, including new carpets and full interior repaint.
A new passenger information system, including multimedia displays.
New Wi-Fi with Low Earth Orbit Satellite connectivity and voice-over-internet phone capability.
Family friendly area, providing space for passengers with an unfolded pushchair.
Wheelchair facilities in both First Class and two spaces in Standard Class.
Storage for six bikes.
New electronic seat reservation system.
New CCTV system – enhancing the safety and security of customers and staff.
Intelligent Engine Start Stop (automatically stops an engine to reduce emissions).
New First and Standard Class seats and tables, with plug sockets, USB-A and USB-C at every seat.
Onboard catering facilities to support at seat and trolley service.
Reconfigured carriage layout to maximise window alignment and luggage storage.
https://www.scotrail.co.uk/about-scotrail/news/scotrail-announces-plans-to-replace-high-speed-trains?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQof6xjbGNrBCh_nWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHljda9jhXBbg2vEG9f5zIs2tDSgk885XFmQZvjqihMEauYT_a8Wv5eA9NvYK_aem_f1j2hFpIo50bsv88Cit0qQ
https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2026/3/alstom-secures-long-term-train-services-and-refurbishment-contracts-ps330-million1-eu380-million-scotrail-and-beacon-uk















