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Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [374374/31371/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:00, 22nd April 2026
 
22/04/2022

Despite 2E77 0510 Oxford to Worcester Shrub Hill running okay this morning, arriving at it's destination just a few minutes late, the Up Parly, did not run as the return working

According to RTT 2E80 0700 from Worcester Shrub Hill was cancelled, because of "a problem with the train".  The unit returned to Oxford empty cars, where it picked up the rest of the working as the 0827 to Didcot

A tale of (four) cities: comparisons in ticket pricing
In "Fare's Fair" [374373/31914/4]
Posted by Mark A at 11:11, 22nd April 2026
Already liked by ray951
 
Thinking of the two pairs of cities: Bath and Bristol vs Leeds and Bradford. In each case, one of the pair offers interchange with long distance services. Distances between the two pairs are similar. Let's look at the costs.

The distance:

Leeds to Bradford is either 9.4 dieselly miles over the hills or 13.6 miles (around the hills, but direct trains and electrified).

Bath to Bristol is 11.5 dieselly miles.

The fares:

Leeds & Bradford (both stations)

There's no period return.

Anytime day return: £9.20
Off-peak day return: £7.80
Anytime day single: £5.80
Advance single: ~£2.90 (Widely available and at a short horizon)

Bath & Bristol

Anytime return: £21.00 (Outward validity, five days, return within a month)
Anytime day return: £11.60
Off-peak day return: £10.20
Anytime day single: £10.50
Off-peak day single: £10.20
Advance single: not available.

My takeaway from this: GWR makes it quite expensive to travel a short distance on their rail network in order to make a longer journey on someone else's rail network.

Someone from Bradford accessing the Crosscountry network for travel away from home for a few days may take advantage of two plentifully available advance singles and pay ~£6 return. From Bath, and a journey via Bristol, the same journey pattern will add £21 to the cost of a longer rail journey.

(This will not be specific to Bath: there are a large number of possible starting points that feed in to Bristol: having checked a few, advance tickets are available for some but not at short horizons, and the advance tickets I found discounted the full price single by only a pound.)

Also, of course, the IEPs aside, peak-time services Bath to Bristol have long-term been wildly capacity-constrained so GWR is over many years doing what they can with what they have and an element of the pricing may be demand suppression.

Mark












Re: Difficulty of booking international rail tickets
In "Fare's Fair" [374372/31906/4]
Posted by grahame at 09:40, 22nd April 2026
 
A follow up - NOT our plans, though similar in some ways.

Google is remarkable in many ways.  I asked SN12 7NY, Spa Rd, Melksham to Aurillac, France for tomorrow and got



BUT - I don't trust Google to allow enough connection time - especially in London (St Pancras) at the moment, and the sting is in the tail:

Tickets and information
Eurostar - Ticket information - 00 32 2 400 67 76
Faresaver
GWR - Ticket information - 0345 700 0125
RATP - Buy tickets
RER - Buy tickets
SNCF Voyageurs - 00 33 1 84 94 36 35
TER Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes - Ticket information - 00 33 9 69 32 21 41
Transport for London
Île-de-France Mobilités - Transport Data Producer and Transport Authority

Any of those items include links to web sites ... but Utopia would be a single "I want to book that" link, and a promise / guarantee that if a connection missed you would have a safety net.

Re: Exeter to Okehampton line closed after train hit deer
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [374371/31913/24]
Posted by bradshaw at 09:22, 22nd April 2026
 
From the BBC
  Disruption is expected until 10:30 BST on Wednesday for rail passengers after a deer was hit by a train in Devon, resulting in a diesel spillage on tracks.
Great Western Railway (GWR) said the crash happened between Okehampton and Crediton on Tuesday evening, leaving the line blocked and services "cancelled, delayed or revised".
The Environment Agency was called to investigate the level of pollution after the train's diesel cap was knocked off during the collision, resulting in the 500-litre (110-gallon) spill.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l96yg2dqno

Just announced on X
  Following overnight work to clean-up a fuel spill following a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Crediton and Okehampton, train services are resuming with the first service departing Exeter St Davids at 0935.

The site has been made safe and will reopen shortly, however, there maybe some disruption later today in order to finish the clean-up operation.

https://x.com/gwrhelp/status/2046866859971010762?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ

Re: Difficulty of booking international rail tickets
In "Fare's Fair" [374370/31906/4]
Posted by grahame at 08:10, 22nd April 2026
 
I would venture to suggest that this article is, at least partially, complete nonsense.

Has the author never heard of https://www.seat61.com/index.html?

There is plenty of good advice on seat 61, but it's advice and not a booking system. It's a  map to the most effective route to booking but you. still need to go through a whole variety of sites for many journeys and can end up with multiple window all at the same time.   

The article is wrong in suggesting the system is "stone age" - it's not, but it's disjoint and takes advantage in each country, or area at times, of its own systems which the joy of modern online systems have come even more complex / disjoint for the less common journeys.   

I commend to you Interrail tickets which used to slash the complexity, and often the cost.  BUT ... they still do somewhat, but on so many trains there are "reservations required", "supplement payable" and "not in pass network" labels which make it more complex again, and in some cases help the train operating company make more money from journeys made by people who have already paid for a ticket.   It is especially noticeable that on some trains the number of reservations / supplements available for pass holders (people who have already paid substantially for block travel) are limited, and that reservations fees do not reflect the actual cost to the company of making that reservation.

Re: Exeter to Okehampton line closed after train hit deer
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [374369/31913/24]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:02, 22nd April 2026
Already liked by johnneyw, a-driver
 
Venison on the GWR BBQ on Sunday!

Re: Difficulty of booking international rail tickets
In "Fare's Fair" [374368/31906/4]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 07:54, 22nd April 2026
 
I would venture to suggest that this article is, at least partially, complete nonsense.

Has the author never heard of https://www.seat61.com/index.html?

Re: Exeter to Okehampton line closed after train hit deer
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [374367/31913/24]
Posted by grahame at 07:53, 22nd April 2026
 

The line between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton remains closed after a train hit a deer, resulting in fuel leaking onto the track.



From the BBC

A railway line is blocked after a train hit a deer, resulting in 500 litres of diesel being spilled on the track.

Great Western Railway (GWR) said the crash happened between Okehampton and Crediton in Devon on Tuesday, leaving the line blocked and services delayed or cancelled.

It said the fuel was spilt at Okehampton station after a diesel cap was knocked off during the collision.

The line cannot be reopened until the Environment Agency has investigated the level of pollution, the railway operator added.

GWR said replacements buses had been organised and warned disruption was expected until the end of the day.

Exeter to Okehampton line closed after train hit deer
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [374366/31913/24]
Posted by bradshaw at 07:43, 22nd April 2026
 

The line between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton remains closed after a train hit a deer, resulting in fuel leaking onto the track.

Re: On the train - You Can.
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374365/31909/40]
Posted by grahame at 07:06, 22nd April 2026
 
Does anyone else find these non operating company specific National Adverts condescending at best, irritating also? If they're a precursor of the future it's grim.

For me and perhaps many members here - yes, absolutely they tell us what we already know.  And getting into the quiz the questions felt vey simplified - "none of the above" would be a good answer to some of the qualifying questions, and "it depended on where I was, whom I was with ...".

The run from Shrewsbury to Swansea in midFerbuary was spent - or supposed to be spend - chatting with Lisa and admiring the scenery.  But I also ended up chatting with friendly staff (after duty had finished) about the line and its operation, and rushing together a proposal to repaint the station approach for foot passengers to Melksham Station because we had been invited to get in before a deadline that was looming.

A typical run from London to Swindon / Chippenham / Westbury, travelling without companion, will be anticipated to be almost pure productivity - but then things can change; if I meet someone I know, or recognised me (it has happened) ... or if someone if acting lost / looking for help / ends up chatting, the journey can get partially or fully lost into something completely different.  Care to be / and is taken to ensure modern sensitivities at these times

But - come on, Coffee Shop contributors, the adverts aren't aimed at use hardened travellers who dominate the posting here.  They are aimed to point out to the private car driver just what could be done that can't while driving.. I used to drive 30,000 miles a year - living in Easterton - between Patney and Chirton and Lavington, both of them closed and in any case miles from where we were even though the trains passed close, and I spent  massive time in the driving seat - thinking (and at stops scribbling notes) , and more unmoving time getting rest and refreshment at stops.   In those days, computers were much larger and I usually had to carry anything from 3 or 4 up to a dozen with me, so the train would have been impractical - but the time spent when headed from Wiltshire to ... Glasgow, or Cambridge, or Dublin was not the most productive.   I will admit to being out of touch with Eddy Grundy's latest schemes these days.


The National rail quiz, with the nearest appropriate answers, tell ms:

You’re a productivity powerhouse!
You create your portable office with all the essentials, maintain routines, and balance work with relaxation so you can feel rewarded and free of tasks when you reach your destination. You know how to make every journey count while managing your workload effectively, just like almost a quarter (23%) of train users who use their train time productively.


It goes on to suggest five things I could do to be "even more effective".  One I do, the other four I do a variant, tuned for my personal use beyond the generalises quiz, and as far as I'm concerned that's fine - we are all different and there's no obligation on this.

Re: Portishead Line - possible meeting of forum members to explore the route?
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [374364/31490/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 01:02, 22nd April 2026
 
Actually, I thought our local tame (professionally qualified) plumber was, as ever, very conservative in his pricing, at about £20, plus a bit for labour.  Bearing in mind that the latest headline figure for the re-opening of the Portishead line to passengers is now projected to cost just some £200,000,000.

I can personally recommend him to anyone in the Nailsea & Backwell area who may need a plumber.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance - ongoing discussion
In "London to the West" [374362/31911/12]
Posted by PhilWakely at 23:29, 21st April 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby, GBM
 
An interesting article in RAIL Magazine regarding Rail Operations Group Class 93's contains a paragraph regarding the Night Riviera.....

Apologies if the whole article is behind a paywall.....

: RAIL Magazine
ROG also confirmed that tentative talks have been held with Great Western Railway, with a view to testing the Class 93s on the ‘Night Riviera’ Sleeper between Paddington and Penzance.

However, given this would need two locomotives which would have to run off the 1,070hp of battery and 1,205hp of diesel power west of Wootton Bassett or Bristol Parkway, as well as being expected to lift the seven- or eight-coach trains over Dainton, Rattery and Hemerdon banks, it’s hard to see how a ‘93’ could be a realistic cost-effective alternative to the Class 57/6s.

I understand that ROG also wants the test to include a couple of runs Up and Down The Mule between Exeter and Castle Cary as the bank between Exeter St David's and Exeter Central would provide a major test for a pair of 93's (Here's hoping for a wet night!).

Re: On the train - You Can.
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374361/31909/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:39, 21st April 2026
 
Thanks, RailCornwall. 

I've shortened that link to a briefer version, here.

Northampton couple who met on bus take double decker to wedding
In "The Lighter Side" [374360/31910/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:29, 21st April 2026
 
From the BBC:

Couple who met on bus take double decker to wedding


Uloma Igwe and Gabriel Enyi met aboard the number 88 bus in Northamptonshire

A couple who met on a bus less than a year ago have got married after riding a red double decker to their wedding ceremony.

Gabriel and Uloma Enyi, both 32, met last summer while riding the number 88 service from Northampton Bus Station to Silverstone. The pair tied the knot on Saturday in a ceremony at Northampton Cathedral.

After the ceremony, Uloma said the couple felt like "mini celebrities" since their love story went viral in February. "Finding my husband in the bus is not even something I thought of," she said. "Anyone looking for love, be open. You just never can tell where you can find your love."

Gabriel added: "Having the bus on this occasion is a wonderful experience that I'm so happy about... It shows where the love all started.

BBC Radio Northampton presenter Justin Dealey arranged for a restored 1963 Routemaster to take them to the venue and then onwards to their wedding reception.

It was driven by owner Paul Sainthouse, a Milton Keynes based collector who said he only allowed his buses to be used by charity or good causes.


Re: On the train - You Can.
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374359/31909/40]
Posted by RailCornwall at 21:13, 21st April 2026
 
Here's a selection ....

https://www.google.com/search?q=on+the+train+you+can&oq=on+the+train&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBEAAYgAQyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIGCAUQRRg9MgYIBhBFGD0yBggHEEUYQdIBCDkzMTFqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Re: On the train - You Can.
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374358/31909/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:06, 21st April 2026
 
Erm ... do you have a link to that apparently 'offending' item?

Re: Boys arrested after windows smashed at Somerset coach park
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [374357/31900/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:02, 21st April 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

Somerset coach firm back on the road after vandalism attack


Martin Spiller said he was angry when he first saw the smashed windows

A coach company is back up and running thanks to the help it received from other bus firms after its vehicles were damaged in a vandalism attack.

Avon and Somerset Police were called after "significant damage" - which could cost £100,000 to fix - was caused to minibuses and coaches at a storage yard near Midsomer Norton in Somerset on Tuesday.

Other coach firms stepped in to help, offering to fit new glass to damaged vehicles, and the help has enabled Centurion Travel to be able to fulfil its school contracts "as usual", the company said.

Centurion Travel managing director Martin Spiller said: "All the local coach operators dropped everything... and helped us put glass in."

He said: "Luckily we've got a good bunch down here. There was one member of the public who walked off the street and helped us fit the windows. One lady brought in cakes for the workers. The community has been amazing."

...

The company operates 28 coaches - 10 of which were vandalised. Some of them were heritage vehicles.

Police arrested three boys on Tuesday and are asking witnesses to come forward. Two of the boys were later de-arrested and will be interviewed later on, police said. One boy was interviewed and released on conditional bail.

Spiller said: "It makes you feel sad. I'm 65 this year and I can honestly say, I've never been so angry. At the end of the day we work for the public - whether it be private hire or schools."


On the train - You Can.
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [374356/31909/40]
Posted by RailCornwall at 21:00, 21st April 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Does anyone else find these non operating company specific National Adverts condescending at best, irritating also? If they're a precursor of the future it's grim.

Rude names, railways and mass trespass - how Peak District became tourist site
In "The Lighter Side" [374355/31908/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:36, 21st April 2026
 
From the BBC:

Rude names, railways and a mass trespass - how the Peak District became a tourist attraction


Some of the former Peak District railway lines are now walking routes, like the Monsal Trail

The Peak District became the UK's first national park 75 years ago, but the area has been attracting visitors for much longer.

One of the oldest tourist attractions is the Devil's Arse - one of four caves in Castleton that are accessible to the public. "It makes a huge farting noise basically," says John Harrison, director of the site, as he explains where its name originates.

"It was always known as the Devil's Arse and then in Victorian times, with their sort of prudish outlook on life, it became offensive. They changed it to the Devil's Hole - which is probably worse - and then Peak's Hole and then Peak Cavern. When we took it on it was Peak Cavern and we changed it back to the Devil's Arse."


Tourists have been visiting the Devil's Arse for centuries

When the cave floods, the rising and falling of the water sucks through air and makes a sound uncannily similar to flatulence. "It can flood two or three times a year - sometimes more, it depends on the weather - but it's happening more often at the minute, so it's being heard more regularly," says John.

The Devil's Arse was named as one of Seven Wonders of the Peak back in 1636, in a book by philosopher Thomas Hobbes, which shows people have been visiting the cave and the wider Peak District for centuries.

"They tended to be very well-heeled gentry who'd come and stay at the likes of places like Chatsworth and be taken on a tour of the Peak District," says John. But then railways came along in the 19th Century - including the line that connects Manchester and Sheffield, which opened in 1894 and is still known for its incredible scenery.

"That opened up the Hope Valley to mass tourism," says John. "People could come out of the cities, out of Sheffield, out of Manchester, and have a day out in the Peak District and get home all in good time."


Railway companies promoted the Peak District as a place to visit before it became a national park

Railway companies promoted the idea of visiting the Peak District for leisure, but people could not access as much of the area as they can today. This was because much of it was privately owned, and many landowners did not want people rambling through. Tensions were highlighted in 1932 by the mass trespass of Kinder Scout, moorland kept exclusively for grouse shooting by its owner, the Duke of Devonshire.

Organised by the British Workers' Sports Federation, the aim of the mass trespass was to fight against "the finest stretches of Moorlands being closed to us", according to a notice encouraging people to join. Hundreds of people took part, and five were imprisoned for between two and six months after being charged with unlawful assembly and breach of the peace.

...


Reservoirs in the Peak District were used as the training ground for the Dambusters in World War Two, as remembered in 2013


(BBC article continues)


Re: Portishead Line - possible meeting of forum members to explore the route?
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [374354/31490/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:13, 21st April 2026
 
Our excellent local plumber has visited, investigated and diagnosed the problem: failure of a plastic component, which needs replacement. He will source one tomorrow and return to fit it: good news, it's just a £20 or £30 cost for the item.  Meanwhile, on his advice, we have placed an even larger bowl underneath the boiler to collect the flipping dripping water. 

CfN. 

Jews "not safe" on the Bakerloo Line
In "Transport for London" [374353/31907/46]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:12, 21st April 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
What a vile creature.

Glad TfL have acted swiftly to suspend him and let's hope he's never seen in the drivers cab again.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tfl-tube-driver-suspended-rmt-campaign-against-antisemitism-b1279386.html

Re: Portishead Line - possible meeting of forum members to explore the route?
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [374352/31490/28]
Posted by Mark A at 16:48, 21st April 2026
 
Yes, I'm sorry I missed out on that adventure, but we did have a mishap at home here.

Reaching into the airing cupboard to get a towel for my shower, I discovered that the towels at the back were all soaking wet.  Investigation revealed that the gas combi-boiler, mounted on the wall above the shelving, was leaking.  Bowls were placed, soggy towels were hung up outside to dry, and we have a plumber arriving this afternoon to investigate the cause of this outage of water.

CfN.

Drat: sorry it changed your plans. If it turns out to have been the condensate pipe, please send it my regards. Hope it's not got to more than the towels.

Mark

Re: Portishead Line - possible meeting of forum members to explore the route?
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [374351/31490/28]
Posted by Mark A at 16:46, 21st April 2026
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
The terrible panoramic photo below, with a distorted splayed foreground - it shows the site of the old station looking west towards Portishead from the station road bridge. The former about-to-be-demolished station house on the left, a bit of the bridge parapet in the foreground, and on the right, remains of the old steps to the up platform.

The new station will be on the same site, initially a single platform (at the left of the photo) and an additional line through the station, while the existing line away from the 'live' platform face carries the freight services, with pointwork east of the station site before the two lines run parallel for some distance before diverging.

The station house is due to come down in May. In the meantime, yesterday, there was a work site at the south end of the building that I assumed to be preparatory works for that, but it emerged that it was contractors for the national grid who were augering a new hole into the ground in preparation to replace the tall wooden pole that carried a number of services to various houses - including the station house itself, with an even larger one that they already had on site on the back of their wagon parked round the corner. The site of this pole will be within the site of the new drop off area for the station so it's not impossible that it will be one of the shortest lived electrical installations in the UK.

Plans and more for Pill station to be found on the North Somerset Council planning web site https://planning.n-somerset.gov.uk - and an application reference is 24/P/0749/DCW .

Mark



Re: City Police issue more than double red-light tickets to cyclists
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [374350/31902/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:49, 21st April 2026
 
Many years ago, walking in to work in an office in central Bristol, on the pavement, I was startled by the imperious ringing of a bicycle bell behind me.  Instinctively, I stepped to my right - causing the impatient cyclist to also swerve even further to the right.  He thus took a purler, over the handlebars, head first into a pile of empty cardboard boxes outside a shop.  I merely continued my saunter into work, while quietly sniggering to myself. 

Re: Portishead Line - possible meeting of forum members to explore the route?
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [374349/31490/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:35, 21st April 2026
 
Yes, I'm sorry I missed out on that adventure, but we did have a mishap at home here.

Reaching into the airing cupboard to get a towel for my shower, I discovered that the towels at the back were all soaking wet.  Investigation revealed that the gas combi-boiler, mounted on the wall above the shelving, was leaking.  Bowls were placed, soggy towels were hung up outside to dry, and we have a plumber arriving this afternoon to investigate the cause of this outage of water.

CfN.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [374348/31371/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 15:05, 21st April 2026
 
21/04/2026. Update

13:50 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 16:15 will be cancelled.
This is due to the emergency services dealing with an incident near the railway.
Last Updated:21/04/2026 12:53

According to RTT, 1P34, the return 1632 from Great Malvern to Paddington working is cancelled too.  I can't see a mention of that on JourneyCheck

Re: Mousehole, Cornwall: a bus route change (for the worse)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [374347/31600/5]
Posted by Trowres at 14:57, 21st April 2026
 
Further, detailed, coverage in The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/apr/21/what-happens-when-beautiful-village-loses-bus-route-mousehole-cornwall

Coincidentally I have been reading a book about the experience of transport planning in The Netherlands and how the low-car policy is happily also providing conditions in which ageing people can continue to live fulfilling lives for as long as possible. Here, we still have some work to do in presenting the case for change.

Re: April 2026 - Melksham Public Transport news and new timetables
In "TransWilts line" [374346/31905/18]
Posted by matth1j at 14:41, 21st April 2026
 
I'll take a look at the bus timetables to see which might provide the best plan B.

Beware that from late May until November, the 271/272/273 will not be serving the Bus Station in Bath - see https://www.mtug.org.uk/ruh.html
Yes I'd seen that in another post and was discussing it with my wife this morning; thanks for the reminder. Actually I had the buses from Chippenham (X34) and Trowbridge (X34 & 69) in mind, but indeed the Bath buses would be an option if it already looked like I'd miss the connection further down the line.

Of course this change is a bit inconvenient on the other 2 days I commute as well. It's already a 25 min connection at Chippenham, so adding another 10 minutes doesn't really help, just delays my tea time

Re: April 2026 - Melksham Public Transport news and new timetables
In "TransWilts line" [374345/31905/18]
Posted by grahame at 13:37, 21st April 2026
 
I'll take a look at the bus timetables to see which might provide the best plan B.

Beware that from late May until November, the 271/272/273 will not be serving the Bus Station in Bath - see https://www.mtug.org.uk/ruh.html

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [374344/31371/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 13:35, 21st April 2026
 
Update 21/04/2026

Reading local Evesham sources: 

West Mercia Police are saying that they and emergency services are in attendance at Evesham Railway Station in response to reports of a person being hit by a train

Another awful event

 
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