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Re: How ‘The Flying Banana’ became a British railway icon
In "Across the West" [369313/31243/26]
Posted by rogerw at 09:53, 11th December 2025
 
Romic have just introduced their own HST for charter use. I shall be sampling it on 31 January on a tour from Derby to Shildon via a very indirect route.

Re: Capital Quiz - 11th December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369312/31241/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 09:53, 11th December 2025
 
 Number for Clapham Jct.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369311/31234/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 09:49, 11th December 2025
 
 Having just spoken with Samantha,the next destination for those playing at home  randomly selected by the laser display board is Filton Abbey Wood.

Re: Capital Quiz - 11th December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369310/31241/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 09:24, 11th December 2025
 
8: Paddington - Heading down to the Lizzie Line

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369309/31234/30]
Posted by froome at 08:57, 11th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
I claim my choice of Yate stands under Mertons convention,be that as it may moving onwards from Melksham,with all due deference to The webmaster! Our next stop is
Bradford On Avon.

But Merton's Convention was never more a footnote in Stovold's revised rules.  Should it be formally recognised?  Yes there's no huffing but regardless, I propose Dilton Marsh and hang the repercussions.

No repercussions, it is the Thursday exemption. Which must take us to Ashchurch (for Tewkesbury).

Re: Near miss Slovakia
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369308/31242/52]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 08:54, 11th December 2025
 
Nasty situation, and very fortunate that a disaster did not occur.  A mid-country meet is the worst kind of railway nightmare

But, how lovely the passenger accommodation looks, compared to the average GB sardine can

Re: Near miss Slovakia
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369307/31242/52]
Posted by matth1j at 08:20, 11th December 2025
 
...and turn down/off your speakers if you're at work

How ‘The Flying Banana’ became a British railway icon
In "Across the West" [369306/31243/26]
Posted by matth1j at 08:19, 11th December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, PrestburyRoad, rogerw
 
Telegraph piece on the Intercity 125's "final bow" this week.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4b4246cdb4fb7fe7

Half a century ago, two pioneering examples of British transport technology were being fine-tuned ahead of their introduction to the world.

One was the Anglo-French Concorde, the supersonic jet that promised to revolutionise air travel – flying to destinations as glamorous as Barbados, Bahrain, Miami and New York – but is today just a fond, fading memory.

The other was the more humble High Speed Train, which was destined for even more exotic locales – like Peterborough, Leicester and Swansea. Its name was a real “back of an envelope” job – but unlike its more celebrated and poetically monikered rival, the High Speed Train is still around, but only just.

A symbol of British engineering flair
The Class 43 High Speed Train, or HST, appeared to modest fanfare in an era soundtracked by the Sex Pistols, the Ramones and David Bowie’s just-released “Young Americans”.

Trainspotters slipped on brown parkas to stand shivering at Doncaster station and watch “The Flying Banana” whizz by. It got that nickname from the flash of yellow on the classic wraparound InterCity 125 logo, and it dragged nationalised British Rail (BR) into the modern era. The first trains ran in 1975. Following testing, BR cleared them for their passenger debut in early 1976.

Its stub-nosed look, by legendary industrial designer Sir Kenneth Grange, makes the train look like a sad cod. But it became a transport icon. Branded InterCity 125s for their supposed top speed, they could actually hit a trifle-wobbly 148mph and were the fastest ever diesel train – and also one of the world’s fastest trains at the time.

Built in Crewe and Derby, they became emblematic of a British engineering flair which – almost – conquered the world. If BR hadn’t cancelled the HST’s sister project, the tilting Advanced Passenger Train, that too could have become a highly exportable design. But the HST succeeded and is now celebrating its 50th birthday.

After the ignominy of the Beeching cuts, BR in the 1970s wanted to focus on long-distance travel – hence the HST. The InterCity brand and refreshed design were supposed to usher in a new era of comfort and speed that would compete with cars and the 1,000 miles of motorways completed by 1972. The trains were great, the design was great, and the infamously floppy BR buffet sandwiches were… grating. You could smoke onboard and lean out of the slam-door windows.

The train of the people
HST fans are legion. Initially, trainspotters lamented the death of locomotive-hauled trains and the iconic steam services like the Flying Scotsman that came before them. But today there are plenty of aficionados. The UK HST Enthusiast Group on Facebook counts almost 14,000 members.

Travellers miss the comfort of the Mark 3 carriages they pulled – deep chairs swallowed you like a brown velour whale, and there were armrests, tables, carpets, acres of space for bags and Radio Rentals TVs and huge picture windows.

The plush interiors were a million miles away from the HST’s modern replacements, where bright neon lighting burns the retinas like it’s midday in the Nevada desert, and wipe-clean surfaces make it all look like a mobile dentist’s surgery. An hour or two on the dreaded “ironing board” seats found on newer trains will have you Googling a chiropractor.

We used HSTs to go to university in Leeds, to see great aunties in Grantham, for business in Bristol or for comedy in Edinburgh. It was the train of the people. After 50 long years of service, the HST will be taking its final bow in the South West on December 13, bringing to a close regularly timetabled service in England and Wales.

The last Great Western Railway Castle Class HSTs will retire with a flourish. Three of the last trains will line up at Plymouth Station between 7.17pm and 7.37pm for fans to take pictures.

The Castle Class trains were all named after – you guessed it – British castles. After stepping down from long-distance mainline services from London Paddington to Penzance and South Wales, they were shortened to three, four and five coaches and lived out their semi-retirement on local services ferrying cream tea-fuelled daytrippers around Devon and Cornwall.

From December 14, your only chance to ride these trains in Britain as a regular passenger will be on Scotrail’s Inter7City services from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen and Inverness.

But it’s not the end of the line for the HST. This surprisingly resilient train will live on. Several heritage railways have bought them, and rail-tour companies use them too. The Midland Pullman runs a luxury service around Britain in a beautiful baby blue livery. Germany’s RailAdventure freight company will use them to haul cargo, while Network Rail’s canary yellow New Measurement Train, aka the “New Flying Banana”, monitors the tracks for safety.

A place in the sun
But the most intriguing part of the HST story is their glamorous second life in the sun. Like a divorced dad barrelling through a midlife crisis, the trains have pitched up in Mexico, Nigeria and Australia. An almost exact copy, christened XPT (for Express Passenger Train), was built Down Under. For a while they even used the InterCity brand too, making homesick Britons feel pangs of nostalgia. These workhorses of the Aussie rail network still run from Sydney to Melbourne and Brisbane.

They were just versions of the HST, but the real things have had a new beginning in Mexico and Nigeria. Shipped from Great Yarmouth by boat, the ex-GWR trains have travelled halfway across the world and are now well-used on services around Lagos and on the brand new Interoceanico service, which runs across the spine of Mexico from Coatzacoalcos on the Atlantic to Salina Cruz on the Pacific. This line is bizarrely run by none other than the Mexican Navy, who – one would assume – should be able to make the trains run on time.

As some HSTs head for the great siding in the sky and others enjoy a new life abroad, at age 50, Britain’s oldest train is fondly remembered as among our very best.

Near miss Slovakia
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369305/31242/52]
Posted by Mark A at 08:14, 11th December 2025
 
Slovakia, two passenger services, opposite directions, on the same line. You may need a translation services for the following.

Mark

https://www.noviny.sk/slovensko/1144088-vlaky-sa-tesne-vyhli-zrazke-pri-liptovskom-hradku-zastali-len-par-metrov-od-seba

Re: 04:50 Fratton - Bristol Temple Meads cancelled
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369304/31177/21]
Posted by matth1j at 08:06, 11th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
..and nice to see Graham handing out timetables at Melksham at 6:30 (the 6:32 to Trowbridge (eventually Southampton) becomes the 6:29 next week)

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369303/29711/14]
Posted by Class 50 at 07:54, 11th December 2025
 
The 07.04 with 5 cars , from Kingham was to say the least a bit overcrowded, and then delayed due to long dwell times, very late off Oxford..

Re: Capital Quiz - 11th December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369302/31241/30]
Posted by Timmer at 07:50, 11th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
10 Woking

Re: 04:50 Fratton - Bristol Temple Meads cancelled
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369301/31177/21]
Posted by matth1j at 07:26, 11th December 2025
 
4:50 Fratton - Bristol cancelled again, at Trowbridge anyway - it's running (about 50 mins late) but missing out a number of stations. Blamed on crew shortages.

6:42 Frome - Cardiff is ok today though, so an extra 20 mins on Trowbridge platform (waiting room closed) but not too bad.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369300/31038/40]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:40, 11th December 2025
 
News Thump nails it as so often! 

https://newsthump.com/2025/12/10/new-state-run-body-to-be-responsible-for-making-up-excuses-as-to-why-great-british-railways-are-always-late/

Re: Warning as drivers seen queuing on level crossing near Willington
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369299/31238/51]
Posted by Electric train at 06:32, 11th December 2025
 
I cannot see evidence of a red light enforcement camera, where these have been installed they have reduce if not eliminated incidents of car hitting trains (I have put it as cars hitting trains as trains have right of way)

Although the crossing in this thread the cars are obstructing the crossing when the lights are not operating, however the use of red light enforcement cameras would drastically reduce the obstruction of the crossing as would improved "Do not obstruct the crossing" signage

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369298/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:57, 11th December 2025
 
Thursday December 11

Last night:
Not mentioned on JourneyCheck but tonight's 19:53 Paddington to Hereford service is a five car short-formation. The GWR app is showing some seats available in first class but none in standard.

So it's likely tomorrow's 05:23 Hereford to Paddington train will also be a short-form.

Indeed so - today may be a day for WFH:
05:16 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 07:24 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/12/2025 03:50

Facilities on the 05:23 Hereford to London Paddington due 08:24.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. There are no reservations on this service.
Last Updated:11/12/2025 05:24

Facilities on the 08:18 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington due 10:25.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9. There are no reservations on this service.
Last Updated:11/12/2025 05:09

EDIT - 07:00

To which we must add
08:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 11:14 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/12/2025 06:29

11:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 14:23 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:11/12/2025 06:29

Re: Capital Quiz - 11th December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369297/31241/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 05:24, 11th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
5. Greenford underground station on the Central line.  The inclined lift, inclined elevator, inclinator, or call it what you will.

Recently I travelled by train in Italy with heavy luggage and I was very glad of the stations that had installed accessibility lifts and ramps - a 20kg bag is no fun to handle up and down stairs.

Re: Capital Quiz - 11th December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369296/31241/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:50, 11th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
Thanks, grahame!

I'll go for an easy one first:

1.  Statue of Sir John Betjeman at St Pancras station.

Capital Quiz - 11th December 2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369295/31241/30]
Posted by grahame at 00:39, 11th December 2025
 
Mostly in London ... what a huge selection we have!

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Mayflower lands at Plymouth Rock - OTD 11 Dec (1620)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369294/31240/5]
Posted by grahame at 00:21, 11th December 2025
 
The Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock in New England on December 11th, 1620

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/the-mayflower-and-plymouth-rock

The Mayflower had set sail on September 6th with 102 passengers and 30 crew crammed into a ship just over 100 feet long. In the second month of its voyage it was hit by storm-force gales. It was buffeted, sprang leaks, and saw its main beam crack.

Is there a parallel today, from 405 years ago, of small and overcrowded vessels making crossings over choppy waters to reach out for a new life?

The history of the early settlements reminds us that America was settled by two types of immigrants, those that today we would call asylum seekers and economic migrants. Some came to seek liberty and safety, and endured immense hardships to gain them. Others came seeking to improve their lot, and many went through years of privation before successfully establishing themselves.


The Landing of the Pilgrims by Henry A. Bacon (1877) - public domain

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369293/31234/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 00:11, 11th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
I claim my choice of Yate stands under Mertons convention,be that as it may moving onwards from Melksham,with all due deference to The webmaster! Our next stop is
Bradford On Avon.

But Merton's Convention was never more a footnote in Stovold's revised rules.  Should it be formally recognised?  Yes there's no huffing but regardless, I propose Dilton Marsh and hang the repercussions.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369292/31234/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 22:53, 10th December 2025
 
I claim my choice of Yate stands under Mertons convention,be that as it may moving onwards from Melksham,with all due deference to The webmaster! Our next stop is
Bradford On Avon.

Re: First Group win concession to operate London Overground
In "Across the West" [369291/31233/26]
Posted by Surrey 455 at 22:13, 10th December 2025
 
On the buses, where are First Group headed / with pulling out of services away from the megacities - for example from Cornwall.

Earlier this year First bus re-entered London acquiring the former RATP / London United company operating mainly in South West and West London.

Re: Social media check before you travel?
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369290/31237/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:22, 10th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, rogerw
 
Irrespective of any possible 'social media' comments from me (there won't be any, because I simply don't do 'soshul meedja'), the only way Donald Trump could get me into the United States of America would be through a full legal extradition process.

Which I would fight, every inch of the way.

CfN.

Re: Night Riviera Sleeper train - between Paddington and Penzance
In "London to the West" [369289/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:14, 10th December 2025
 
23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55

23:45 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:55 will be terminated at Plymouth.

It will no longer call at Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance.

This is due to flooding.

Re: Warning as drivers seen queuing on level crossing near Willington
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369288/31238/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:02, 10th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
With the wording of the footer in my Coffee Shop forum profile, Timmer, you won't find me disagreeing with that. 

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369287/31234/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:59, 10th December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Western Pathfinder
 
Well, we either apply the Fernicular Rule or we don't: you can't have it both ways. 

I was looking to gauge the answer to that but AI tells me:
The term "Lynton Lynmouth gauge" refers to two different railways: the famous Lynton & Lynmouth Cliff Railway, a water-powered funicular with no gauge (as it's a fixed-track funicular), and the historic Lynton & Barnstaple Railway (L&B), a former narrow-gauge steam line known for its 1 ft 11.5 in (597 mm) gauge and currently being preserved.

To my mind, the Cliff railway has a gauge of 3'9" and the Lynton and Barnstaple is being rebuilt as a heritage railway, there being very little left to preserve.

Never mind - using the webmaster's reboot prerogative I'm going to restart the quiz from Melksham which is only a couple of steps to our final destination.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369286/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 20:50, 10th December 2025
 
Not mentioned on JourneyCheck but tonight's 19:53 Paddington to Hereford service is a five car short-formation. The GWR app is showing some seats available in first class but none in standard.

So it's likely tomorrow's 05:23 Hereford to Paddington train will also be a short-form.

Re: Warning as drivers seen queuing on level crossing near Willington
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369285/31238/51]
Posted by Timmer at 20:37, 10th December 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, johnneyw
 
Drivers who misuse railway level crossings really need their license taken away from them.

Re: AQ10 - "Pilning" - West Country Mornington Crescent
In "The Lighter Side" [369284/31234/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:37, 10th December 2025
 
Well, we either apply the Fernicular Rule or we don't: you can't have it both ways. 

 
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