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Re: Major incident declared over Whitchurch Shropshire canal 'sinkhole': 22 Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369966/31316/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:21, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
For some information on the charity, at least initially, tasked with the ... erm, unenviable task of repairing the Llangollen Canal at Whitchurch, Shropshire, see https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/about-us .

All the best of good luck and public support to them. CfN.


Re: Major incident declared over Whitchurch Shropshire canal 'sinkhole': 22 Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369965/31316/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:16, 22nd December 2025
 
Agreed, Timmer. 

I know we have a possibly disproportionate number of current and previous 'canal users' among our admin and moderater team here on the Coffee Shop forum (myself included).

That's why I have been following this topic so closely.  This is a truly shocking event, on which is otherwise such a placid and relaxing environment.

Chris from Nailsea (via the Kennet and Avon Canal). 

Re: Major incident declared over Whitchurch Shropshire canal 'sinkhole': 22 Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369964/31316/51]
Posted by Timmer at 20:03, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch
 
This never happened on Rosie and Jim

Looks like a mega-money repair will be needed.  Not sure what recourse to funds the C&RT has, these days.  I imagine they're not all that well off
That’s going to need government help. Mega money, mega repair job.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369963/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:48, 22nd December 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Swindon

Due to a shortage of train crew between Westbury and Swindon fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

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Due to crew shortages GWR services at Melksham are cancelled today.

Re: The RTV 31 hovertrain - British rail invention could have changed the world
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369962/31321/49]
Posted by stuving at 19:37, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Not travelled extensively in mainland Europe, several years back, on a Paris to Toulouse train colloquially known at the 'POLT', a puzzling structure across the fields on the east side of the train that ran on, unbroken, for some tens of kilometres.

I couldn't work out what it was but of course it was the inverted 'T' section test track for the experimental french suspended-on-air passenger service, built in such a location that it could be of utility should the principle have been adopted as a transport system.

Mark

Called Aérotrain, if you want to look it up.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369961/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:28, 22nd December 2025
 
18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56

20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Re: BBC article - "Why the railways often seem to be in such chaos over Christmas"
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369960/31315/49]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:45, 22nd December 2025
 
Oh, chaos would be ten times worse than it is.....

Re: Reopening Cullompton and Wellington stations (merged topic)
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [369959/5272/28]
Posted by Mark A at 18:38, 22nd December 2025
 
By chance, an aerial view of the site on the following link:


https://tinyurl.com/mtv3phyh


Very close to some lovely industrial archaeology - and also the rail over road bridge under which passed the driveway for Nynehead Court, though the architects/builders of the station perhaps will not be able to take advantage of that.

Mark

Re: The RTV 31 hovertrain - British rail invention could have changed the world
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369958/31321/49]
Posted by Mark A at 18:25, 22nd December 2025
 
Not travelled extensively in mainland Europe, several years back, on a Paris to Toulouse train colloquially known at the 'POLT', a puzzling structure across the fields on the east side of the train that ran on, unbroken, for some tens of kilometres.

I couldn't work out what it was but of course it was the inverted 'T' section test track for the experimental french suspended-on-air passenger service, built in such a location that it could be of utility should the principle have been adopted as a transport system.

Mark


Re: The RTV 31 hovertrain - British rail invention could have changed the world
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369957/31321/49]
Posted by matth1j at 17:40, 22nd December 2025
 
Of course there's also an informative Wiki entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracked_Hovercraft

The RTV 31 hovertrain - British rail invention could have changed the world
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369956/31321/49]
Posted by matth1j at 17:35, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Daily Telegraph piece: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/abeeee0bff94895b

... What looks like a theme park monorail car sits next to the river Nene, surrounded by miniature railways, old locomotives and a landscaped wildlife haven with ponds and waterfalls. But this relic is more than just a transport curio. It could have transformed the way we travel ...
... “It used so much power they needed special permission to switch it on” ...
... The RTV 31 hit 100mph in testing, but was expected to reach at least 300mph on a longer track ...
... Silver believes that with proper funding there could have been hovertrains zipping from London to Birmingham in 20 minutes, or to Scotland in 90 minutes. He even claims there were plans to export the idea and build lines in North America and Africa ...

Re: Reopening Cullompton and Wellington stations (merged topic)
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [369955/5272/28]
Posted by TonyK at 15:48, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
That is probably the best place for the station now, but some adjustments to bus services will be essential, and that hasn't happened elsewhere. The station site is about 500m from the nearest existing housing, and around a mile from the centre of Wellington proper, or at least the Iron Duke pub. Anyone getting the train to Taunton might as well stay on the bus from town, and Exeter-bound passengers will be going back on themselves. It is unfortunately very convenient for Junction 26 of the M5, and I foresee problems with parking, such as have plagued the area around Tiverton Parkway of late.

Re: Solent - Banana containers cause shipping disruption, Dec 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [369954/31223/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:02, 22nd December 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Team spirit praised in community container clean-up


Foam insulation covered the sea wall at Selsey

Fragments of metal, pieces of insulation foam and plastic remain on West Sussex beaches after 11 shipping containers containing bananas and avocados washed ashore.

Communities praised the "team spirit" of volunteers and contractors as the clean up continued at Bognor Regis, Selsey and Pagham Harbour, after the containers fell overboard from the Baltic Klipper cargo ship in the Solent shipping channel on 6 December.

West Sussex County Council said six containers have been removed, but Gavin Jones who lives on Selsey seafront said there were "bits of metal poking up through the sand".

The Marine Accident Investigation Branch said the containers might not have been properly secured.

Seven containers washed up in Selsey, two at Pagham Harbour and two at Bognor Regis.

Selsey Beach Little Ninjas are among those who have helped with the clean-up operation.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Major incident declared over Whitchurch Shropshire canal 'sinkhole': 22 Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369953/31316/51]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 15:00, 22nd December 2025
 
This never happened on Rosie and Jim

Looks like a mega-money repair will be needed.  Not sure what recourse to funds the C&RT has, these days.  I imagine they're not all that well off

Re: Overhead Line Equipment - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [369952/31031/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:30, 22nd December 2025
 
As an occasional poster in this forum ... My thanks to Chris from Nailsea for his kind reply ... My apologies if I have posted in the wrong place.

A minor confusion, which I have resolved, BahnCard100.

Thank you for continuing to post such interesting and useful information - no matter how 'occasional'. 

MOVED: Sinkhole drains canal in Shropshire
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369950/31318/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:55, 22nd December 2025

Major incident declared over Whitchurch Shropshire canal 'sinkhole': 22 Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369949/31316/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:52, 22nd December 2025
 
A video news item, from the BBC:


There were no reports of any casualties, West Mercia Police said

A major incident has been declared over what police have called a sinkhole at a canal in Shropshire, leaving boats either stricken in a gaping cavity or teetering on the edge of a drop.

Pictures appear to show that the structural integrity of a stretch of waterway in Whitchurch has completely given way, raising flooding fears.

Two narrowboats at the scene were said to have sunk into the hole shortly after 04:00 GMT, with another two at the edge. Water there looks to have drained away completely.

Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service (SFRS) said it was responding to a landslip and confirmed a canal was affected. Scott Hurford, area manager at SFRS, which sent 50 firefighters, said crews received reports at about 04:20 GMT that a canal bank had collapsed and there were large volumes of water in surrounding fields.

According to West Mercia Police, there are no reports of casualties at the scene, in an area of Whitchurch called Chemistry. The force asked people to avoid the area and seek alternate routes.

The Canal and River Trust described the incident as a breach on the canal, and said its priority was the safety of boaters and those in the immediate area. "We are carrying out initial investigations into the possible cause of the breach and will provide more details in due course," it said. "We will also seek to return water levels either side of the breach as soon as possible and are providing support to the boaters affected and those in the immediate area either side of the breach."

Mr Hurford told BBC Shropshire: "The information we've had back is that the canal bank failed and that's what put the emergency call in. The water from the canal has leaked out of the canal into the surrounding fields… There are up to 15 people who had to be moved out of the way to safety, and there's a number of canal boats that have been affected, some of those have gone into the field and some are at the bottom of the canal." He added: "Our job is the response phase, so we're there to save life, protect property and the environment, but we will support in the recovery phase."

Andy Hall, a councillor in Whitchurch, said: "We've got two boats at the bottom of the sink hole that have fallen down, and we've got two boats that are teetering on the edge that could go in at any time," he told the BBC. "Obviously [the fire service is] going to make those safe." He added: "[People] thought that there was an earthquake. To the right, we've got the field which has taken probably about a million gallons of water out of the canal." He said the fire service had put in a flood gate to stop the flow of more from the compromised waterway.

"The most important thing is that the canal itself has been secured by fire and rescue," he said. "Their biggest worry was that the canal was going to burst even more and flood residents in the town." He said that no one was on board "the two boats that went down", adding that people on the boats "teetering over the edge" had been helped to safety by fire crews. He said that contrary to speculation on social media, there had been no bridge collapse.

Lorraine Barlow, who lives on a boat called The Singing Kettle and was moored near the site, said: "About 04:20 this morning I could feel that there was something amiss, there seemed to be a current coming from underneath the boat, and bubbling, it sounded really unusual. Then I was tilting to the middle of the canal, I could feel the ropes were getting tight." She said she left the boat and could see the fire service as well as search and rescue teams. "There was no water on the canal," she said. "I was worried about the ropes and about my canal boat hanging there. It's an awful thing, I was worried about the other people."


Police have asked people to avoid the area


This is a BBC video news item: click on this BBC link to view.

Major incident declared over Whitchurch Shropshire canal 'sinkhole': 22 Dec 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369948/31316/51]
Posted by stuving at 12:50, 22nd December 2025
 
Well, here's a thing that needs looking into - a big one, too! From the BBC:
Major incident declared over canal 'sinkhole'
Major incident declared over canal 'sinkhole'

Chloe Hughes, West Midlands and Ellen Knight, in Whitchurch
    Published    22 December 2025, 09:46 GMT       Updated 17 minutes ago

A major incident has been declared over what police have called a sinkhole at a canal in Shropshire, leaving boats either stricken in a gaping cavity or teetering on the edge of a steep drop.

Pictures appear to show that the structural integrity of a stretch of waterway in the Chemistry area of Whitchurch has completely given way, raising flooding fears.

Two narrowboats are said to have sunk into the hole, into which water looks to have drained completely. Another two are at the edge.

Shropshire Fire and Rescue Service said it was responding to a landslip and confirmed a canal was affected. There are no reports of casualties, according to West Mercia Police.

The force asked people to avoid the area and seek alternate routes.

Looking at the map, I see a suspicious detail - a stream* flowing under the canal, presumably in culvert. Difficult to inspect, that.

*The stream is sizeable, and drove several mills. It lows from Blake Mere through Whitchurch and joins the Red Brook; I think it is called Staggs Brook.

Re: Overhead Line Equipment - ongoing discussion
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [369947/31031/28]
Posted by BahnCard100 at 12:40, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
As an occasional poster in this forum I would like to continue with my last mention of Garry Keenor, a chartered engineer and author of Overhead Line Electrification for Railways.
Once again I should stress that I do not know Garry personally and I have only an amateur interest in the subject. My thanks to Chris from Nailsea for his kind reply.
To continue I found a YouTube video from a recent (December 2025) Wales & West meeting of the Permanent Way Institution which Garry addressed as professional lead for electrification.
His talk was entitled (I don't) Mind the Gap, in which Garry continues to simplify the use of electrification for traction generally both in overhead supply and in battery stored form. In other words he is explaining what intermittent electrification of railways would mean. I hope others find it as interesting as I did.
My apologies if I have posted in the wrong place.

Re: Reopening Cullompton and Wellington stations (merged topic)
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [369946/5272/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 12:14, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by TonyK
 
From the BBC:

New cycle link to improve Wellington station access

A council is set to spend more than £600,000 on a cycle link ahead of the planned construction of a new train station.

Wellington's new railway station is anticipated to cost up to £20m and will be delivered north of the Lidl Supermarket, with access being provided through a new 161-home development.

Somerset Council has said it will spend as much as £607,000 over the coming months to ensure a new cycle link improves access between the future station and the town centre.

The funding for the design and construction of the improvement scheme comes entirely from a grant from Active Travel England, which forms part of the Department for Transport.

The planned cycle link will run between the Nynehead and Lillebonne Way roundabouts and will eventually provide an off-road cycle link between the town centre and the Chelston roundabout.

The Somerset town has not had a train station since the 1960s but its new one could be finished as soon as 2028.

A final decision on the housing development, through which the cycle path will run, is expected to be made by the council's planning committee in the spring.

Network Rail is due to submit its own separate application early in the new year for the station and associated infrastructure with a vision of a 2028 completion date.


Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [369945/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 11:45, 22nd December 2025
 
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 22/12.

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369944/16141/14]
Posted by bleeder4 at 11:44, 22nd December 2025
Already liked by Richard Fairhurst
 
Nice to see there are now a couple of vending machines. Haven't been to the station for a few weeks, so not sure when they got added. Plus the guy doing the coffee was outside as well, so nice little bonus. Mind you, I then had to go into one of the toilets to drink it as there are radiators in the toilets, making them the warmest place to wait in the whole station!

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369942/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 11:40, 22nd December 2025
 
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

and

21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.


How the **** do they expect trains to be used when they are so often cancelled on the day?  People will some other way to get around or not get around at all, and that is not good for the finances / business of the railway.

Re: Clouds at stations - AQ22/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369941/31314/30]
Posted by grahame at 10:33, 22nd December 2025
 
The best geometric fit for the names in 4 is Polsloe Bridge.

Yes, I thought that, too. 

And indeed it IS Polsloe Bridge. 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369939/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:21, 22nd December 2025
 
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:06 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Clouds at stations - AQ22/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369938/31314/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:45, 22nd December 2025
 
Yes, I thought that, too. 

Re: Clouds at stations - AQ22/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369937/31314/30]
Posted by stuving at 09:43, 22nd December 2025
 
The best geometric fit for the names in 4 is Polsloe Bridge.

Re: Clouds at stations - AQ22/25
In "The Lighter Side" [369936/31314/30]
Posted by grahame at 09:06, 22nd December 2025
 
No. 1 is indeed Paddington, No. 2 is Taunton and No. 3 is Melksham.  Some of the words that come up are delightfully misleading - "Parking" the big word at Melksham, indeed!  Just No. 4 to identify

 
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