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Re: TravelWatch SouthWest, 24th October 2025, Taunton - INVITE
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [367147/30939/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:09, 20th October 2025
 
Despite the Voyager, and the meeting being held in Taunton, we've been friends ever since.
What!?! ‘and the meeting being held in Taunton’. Please don’t shatter my illusions Chris, that one of the things that makes the TWSW meeting so special for you was that it’s held in Taunton!

Totally get the Voyager bit.

I have absolutely nothing against Taunton personally - nor municipally, actually.

What gets me is that I have, several times over the years, been strolling through Taunton in company with grahame, when we've stopped while he takes a photo. I was standing next to him (out of shot, obviously) - but I was standing there at the time.

However, when grahame then posted that image out on the Coffee Shop forum, perhaps two weeks later, I honestly didn't recognise it - much to my embarrassment.

That is the origin of the 'urban myth' that I don't like Taunton: it is actually a lovely town.

CfN.

Re: Ad for... would it be table 51 ... 1970s
In "Cross Country services" [367145/30936/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:14, 20th October 2025
 
Finally, I remember being at Edinburgh Waverley station a few years back and doing a double take when looking at the arrivals board seeing Bath Spa listed before remembering there was the early morning departure from Bath.

Many years ago, there was a temporary change to our local train timetable, such that we had a direct Cross Country service to Aberdeen.

I teased my manager at the time (she was based in Edinburgh) that I hoped I didn't inadvertently 'nod off' during my early morning train journeys into Bristol, or I might wake up only to find myself rather north of her.

Re: 16 dead after historic funicular railway derails in Lisbon - 3 September 2025
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [367144/30681/52]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 22:13, 20th October 2025
 
A preliminary report:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20pg8pzp2no

A preliminary report into last month's funicular crash in Lisbon that killed 16 people including three British nationals has detailed a litany of failings.

Portugal's Air and Rail Accident Investigations Bureau said an underground cable - which acted as a counterweight between two carriages and broke, prompting the crash - was defective and had never been certified for passenger transportation.  It said the cable was not technically suitable and was acquired in 2022 by the company that runs Lisbon's public transport, Carris.  The 140-year-old Glória funicular, popular with tourists, derailed and crashed into a building on 3 September.  There were 11 foreigners among those killed, including the three British nationals, while another 20 people were injured.

The supervision and maintenance of the funicular by a company outsourced by Carris also did not work properly, apparently giving the Glória funicular the all-clear on the morning of the disaster - though it is not certain if the check actually took place that day.  In addition, the state body that looks after all of Lisbon's funiculars did not cover the Glória one, as it should have done, the report said.

The emergency brake system, which the driver correctly tried to apply when the cable snapped, did not function properly and was never tested in advance, it says.

...

Re: Ad for... would it be table 51 ... 1970s
In "Cross Country services" [367143/30936/43]
Posted by Mark A at 22:11, 20th October 2025
 
Thinking of other cities/towns that have lost through trains to that number of destinations at a time when it would have been reasonable for the network to have been at the least, stable (or actually, for the railway to have increased through travel opportunities). Crosscountry's evolution from its first inception to the present has been... curious. Regional Railways interregional services seem to have been strangled, and was the issue with Transport for Wales that it was set up with a lengthy and inappropriate capacity-constraining franchise agreement, leading to its long distance services being grimly capacity-constrained?

Anyway, here's the Edinburgh through train at Bath Spa, just before 6am in April 2011. (I was heading for Leeds...)

Mark


Re: TravelWatch SouthWest, 24th October 2025, Taunton - INVITE
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [367142/30939/34]
Posted by Timmer at 21:59, 20th October 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, JayMac
 
Despite the Voyager, and the meeting being held in Taunton, we've been friends ever since.
What!?! ‘and the meeting being held in Taunton’. Please don’t shatter my illusions Chris, that one of the things that makes the TWSW meeting so special for you was that it’s held in Taunton!

Totally get the Voyager bit.

Re: WESTlink Demand Responsive Transport services
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367141/27332/21]
Posted by Timmer at 21:54, 20th October 2025
 
Watched the article on this evening’s Points West and was alarmed to hear David say that people were using it as their own personal taxi service to travel to Bristol Airport or for a day out to Weston-super-Mare!

Sad when things like this happen and it ends up getting cut for those who really do need it to travel locally, though the article also stated few were using it.

Re: TravelWatch SouthWest, 24th October 2025, Taunton - INVITE
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [367140/30939/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:51, 20th October 2025
 
The first time I met grahame was some 17 years ago, on board a Voyager train from Bristol to Taunton, for me to attend my first TravelWatch SouthWest meeting there. Despite the Voyager, and the meeting being held in Taunton, we've been friends ever since.

These TWSW meetings are great: they offer excellent speakers, lively debate, enjoyable catering and good company - and all free to attendees!

We hope to see you there!

CfN.

Re: Ad for... would it be table 51 ... 1970s
In "Cross Country services" [367139/30936/43]
Posted by Timmer at 21:31, 20th October 2025
 
Oooooo this is an interesting one, making me want to head up to the attic and pour over old all line British Rail timetables to try and find some!

I did use the train to Manchester once from Oldfield Park to travel there for a work related trip. A novelty for an Intercity service stopping at Oldfield Park as well it being a direct Cross Country service heading north.

Other than the trains you’ve listed I can’t think of any others off hand. Bath Spa had a good range of destinations provided by Regional Railways in the 1990s. As well as Manchester and Liverpool you had Tenby and of course Brighton and Waterloo. All sadly no more.

Possibly the extra summer Weymouths in the 1970s starting at Nottingham or Birmingham seems to ring a bell. I know a service to Derby from Weymouth went via but not stopping at Melksham (as the station had closed by then) then via Oxford. (Please don’t take what’s written in this paragraph as gospel as a visit to the attic would need to confirm/correct what’s written)

There have been times when Cross Country services diverted via Bath and Westbury when the line between Bristol and Taunton has been closed for engineering work have stopped at Bath Spa.

Also, when the line between Bristol and Birmingham was closed trains would go via Bath (not stopping) and call at Swindon and Oxford. But of course Cross Country can’t be bothered to do that anymore putting people on buses instead. They do still do diverts via Newport though.

Finally, I remember being at Edinburgh Waverley station a few years back and doing a double take when looking at the arrivals board seeing Bath Spa listed before remembering there was the early morning departure from Bath.

Re: Saturday, 25th October 2025 - Marlborough and Savernake Forest
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [367138/30937/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:19, 20th October 2025
 
I've been to Marlborough once - many, many years ago. We were a group in a minibus, and eventually we found a place to park it - somewhere here:



We enjoyed the hospitality in a pub ... somewhere on the right in that image, I seem to recall.

Marlborough is a lovely old town: have a good day!

Re: WESTlink Demand Responsive Transport services
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367137/27332/21]
Posted by grahame at 21:16, 20th October 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
I was looking back through old posts here. I recall that at the time Westlink was set up, to replace quite a number of occasional scheduled routes, we wondered how the new system could be financed once the initial period was over.  It was a convenient way to get central government money into local services which came with a requirement that it could not be spent on supporting something current. Great while it lasted, but never "permanent" and changes (be they service or funding) inevitable unless it did miraculously well.

There are cases for demand responsive transport ... but to me it doesn't look like they're WestLink as it's currently set up.

Re: Has the Elizabeth line led to a rise in rental prices?
In "Transport for London" [367136/30941/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:04, 20th October 2025
 
It is no surprise at all to me, personally.

We moved house, almost exactly two years ago, within Nailsea. It was interesting how all of the local estate agents' particulars made a point of mentioning that Nailsea has excellent main line railway services, direct to Bristol and London, for example.

In a previous employment, based in central Bristol, my colleague Nick and I occasionally had to go to London for a department meeting. Nick lived to the east of Bristol, so for him it was a bit of a faff to get into Bristol, early in the morning, to join the train. I was already on that train, having had a mere ten minute stroll down to the station at Nailsea, so I was halfway through my second bacon bap and coffee when Nick joined me at Temple Meads.

CfN.

Are they just taking the ... ?
In "The Lighter Side" [367135/30942/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:45, 20th October 2025
 
From the BBC:

Duo raise £1m for women's urinals start-up


Hazel McShane (left) and Amber Probyn co-founded the firm Peequal

Two businesswomen who co-founded a women's urinals company hope to go global after raising nearly £1m in investment.

Amber Probyn, 27, and Hazel McShane, 29, say the urinals made by Peequal, for use at festivals, are three times quicker to use than portable toilets.

The Bristol University graduates will use the funding to manufacture the next-generation urinals, which they hope to send to events in Europe, the US and Australia.

Ms McShane said they have had interest from event organisers around the world. "Like us, they want women spending less time in queues and more time enjoying the events they love," she said.

The pair, who graduated in 2020, came up with the idea after spending many summers working at music festivals in the UK.

"We knew women would welcome any innovation that meant they didn't have to queue for hours," said Ms Probyn. "What we didn't expect was how much love the urinals would receive, and we've been blown away by the support women give us at events."

Manufactured in Somerset, Peequal's urinals are made from sugar cane and plastic recovered from the ocean.


The latest design allows the women's urinals to be flat-packed and stacked

The urinals are designed to minimise splashback and allow for clothing to come down at the front. Users squat, while holding onto handles.

The latest design allows the urinals to be flat-packed and stacked. The founders estimate that a lorry carrying 21 portable toilets could instead carry 56 of their urinals.

The urinals have been used at 25 events already this year, including Glastonbury Festival and the London Marathon.


Ms McShane says event organisers around the world are keen to use Peequal

The Peequal founders raised £925,000 in their latest round of funding, bringing the total raised during three funding rounds to £1.4m.

Julia Davies, impact investor at We Have The Power, is a key backer. She first came across the urinals while running the London Marathon. "It's always satisfying to invest in a service you've used and admired," said Ms Davies. "What I really love is its potential for a huge sustainability impact by reducing toxic waste generation at events."


Re: Has the Elizabeth line led to a rise in rental prices?
In "Transport for London" [367134/30941/46]
Posted by grahame at 20:38, 20th October 2025
 
Figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest there has been a disproportionate rise in rents along its route.

Err ... are we surprised?  I would have been surprised if that had not happened.

Re: Has the Elizabeth line led to a rise in rental prices?
In "Transport for London" [367133/30941/46]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 20:16, 20th October 2025
 
I think this was largely predicted prior to its opening, indeed was promoted as a benefit, raising property values along its route.

I do wonder if the price rises are equal both east and west of the city, or whether the increases have been asymmetric.

Has the Elizabeth line led to a rise in rental prices?
In "Transport for London" [367132/30941/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:42, 20th October 2025
 
From the BBC:



Like many in their mid-20s, Tia Costell feels young people are being priced out of finding their own place to live.

"It's hard enough for people to rent in London, let alone get on the property ladder. Properties are so expensive and hard to come by - if you can't get there on the same day, you can't even get a viewing."

This is a familiar story across the country, and particularly in London. But has the capital's flagship infrastructure project - the Elizabeth line - made renting even more expensive?

The Elizabeth line opened in May 2022, and has become the UK's busiest railway line, carrying one in six train journeys in the whole country, according to Transport for London (TfL).

Figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest there has been a disproportionate rise in rents along its route.

(BBC article continues)


Re: WESTlink Demand Responsive Transport services
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367128/27332/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:45, 20th October 2025
 
From the BBC:

Doubt over future of the West of England's dial-a-ride Westlink minibus service


Government funding for the dial-a-ride Westlink minibus service is set to expire in March 2026

There are doubts about the future of a bookable minibus service after it emerged trips have been costing up to £50 a passenger.

Westlink was introduced in 2023 by the West of England Combined Authority (WECA) after several regular bus routes were lost in the area.

The scheme has government funding until March, but will have to pay for itself for it to continue after that.

WECA mayor, Helen Godwin, said her team are "evaluating how best to keep people connected, improve these demand-responsive services, and ensure value for money".


David Redgewell said some have been taking advantage of the service, using it like "their own personal taxi service"

Passengers book trips on an app and are taken to existing bus routes for a £2 fare.

The service was set-up to run in areas of Bristol, Bath, South Gloucestershire and North Somerset in 2023. However it has carried very few passengers and at points it has cost £40-£50 per passenger per trip to operate the service.

David Redgewell is a member of the South West Transport Network that campaigns for transport users in the region. He has used the bus service and said often he is one of the only two people on the minibus. He said the service has come down in cost and now works out at about "£14 per passenger, [which is] still a lot of money".

Roger French, who writes a bus and train blog, said the minibus service is "completely financially unsustainable".

Mayor Godwin said the contracted buses predated her time as mayor but she appreciates the "challenges of trying to fill the gaps in the commercial network".


Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [367127/30206/44]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 14:58, 20th October 2025
 
Geoff Marshall has just released another video detailing these new trains and interviews Chiltern's MD.

https://youtu.be/zNRiRtvIESU?si=ITv45dVbM87vKjkQ

Re: London's fare dodgers: 'He doesn't look like a child'
In "Transport for London" [367126/30940/46]
Posted by Mark A at 13:12, 20th October 2025
 
Reminds me of the guy on a Southern train up to Victoria whose M.O. was weirding out single women travellers in an attempt to extract cash. When forcefully challenged he'd move to the next carriage. On arrival at Victoria he blew through the barrier staff in about 90 seconds and then prowled round the concourse being mildly coercive with a series of victims, then, Wetherspoons, ditto, followed by a five minute stop by BTP that got nowhere, a few minutes after that he was over the other side of the station, undeterred and probably well known to all the people who challenged him. His misfortune to be born with a Marty Feldmann face but boy was he taking advantage of that and not in a good way.

Mark

Re: State of service - South Western, as at October 2025
In "South Western services" [367125/30938/42]
Posted by Trowres at 12:23, 20th October 2025
Already liked by grahame, Chris from Nailsea
 
The refunds for taxis and hotel total is small compared with delay-repay payments, which for SWR in 2023/4 came to £6m.

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/train-operating-companies-passengers-charter-compensation/train-operating-companies-passengers-charter-compensation

While I think of it, the "£45.5m" looks like a case of spurious precision. We aren't told how the figure is derived, but it doubtless involves a lot of assumptions and decisions about what to include/exclude.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [367124/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 11:43, 20th October 2025
 
20.04 on Sunday from Paddington to Hereford started 22 late and ended 55 late. Fortunately the Royal Blenheim in Oxford is a very convivial waiting room.
I think that this is the 18:45 from Paddington.

London's fare dodgers: 'He doesn't look like a child'
In "Transport for London" [367123/30940/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:00, 20th October 2025
 
From the BBC:

The passenger is not happy and starts arguing with the officers. We are in the concourse of Ealing Broadway Elizabeth line station which is a fare evasion hotspot. The Transport for London (TfL) enforcement team has asked him to produce his ticket after the barriers flashed he was travelling on a child fare. He certainly doesn't look like a child.

The argument gets more and more heated with the passenger insisting the barrier machine has taken his ticket and that's why he can't produce it. Rather comically he turns out his pockets. He is trying to charm his way out of the situation.

The laughs slowly stop as it becomes clear he is in trouble. Suddenly, he bolts straight out of the station. The officers shout at him and try to shepherd him away from the exit but there doesn't seem to be much they can do. They aren't allowed to restrain him or arrest him. They have a hands-off policy and their safety comes first.

Welcome to the world of trying to stop London's fare evaders.



The officers have seen it all. People hurdling the barriers, or even crawling under them. There is a lot of "double gating" where the evader tucks in behind someone else going through the barriers. These officers are in Ealing Broadway to try and stop fare evasion.

It is a huge problem for TfL, costing it £190m a year. Fare evasion has increased since the opening of the Elizabeth line as more passengers use the TfL network, and many stations on the line don't have staffed barriers. The loss equates to 3.5% of all fare income. TfL wants to get that down to 1.5% by 2030 although it admits this will be a significant challenge.



Nasir Ahmadi, one of the officers, told BBC London: "One of their main excuses is, 'It's very expensive, we can't afford it.' 'We can't afford it' or 'Transport should be free' or 'I left my Oyster card at home or my bankcard at home', things like that. The fact of the matter is everyone is paying their fare and they should be paying for their fare. It's not fair on the general public that they are paying for their fare and you're double gating and pushing your way through."

Another revenue protection, Tomi Ogunsuyi, has also heard plenty of excuses: "On a daily basis we usually see people pushing through the barriers. We see them crawling through as well. Our aim is to stop the violence and aggression and to support the front-line staff. We tend to hear common excuses like, 'I haven't got any money, I didn't know. Why can't travelling be free?' We tend to hear a lot of excuses, to be honest, but we are quite used to it so we explain the reason why everyone should pay for their journey."

Over a three-month period this year, TfL had 9,934 open cases under consideration for prosecution for fare evasion, including both one-off and repeat offenders. Since April, it has issued more than 30,000 fixed penalty notices, which have recently been increased to £100, and has reported over 9,000 individuals for possible prosecution.

Tfl says it is also increasing the number of on-train checks. It says its enforcement teams have completed over 2.8 million checks on board Tubes and trains. It also uses a combination of data, travel pattern analysis and CCTV to identify persistent evaders.



TfL's head of compliance, Anand Nandha, says they have just employed a team of specialist investigators to focus on persistent offenders. He won't go into too much detail about how they track offenders down but he's confident they will catch more passengers who don't pay their fare. "It's not a victimless crime at all," he told me. "We have customers who pay their fare and they will end up having to pay more because we are losing more revenue on the network. So we want to ensure that revenue is used for public services and to help [keep] fares at a low level.

"We have up to 500 revenue inspection officers deployed on the network. We are using different methods of detection. We have a team of investigators who we have just employed who will use different methods to go after persistent offenders, like plain-clothes operations on the network. We are also looking at technology. We have numerous sources of data to look at patterns of fare evasion and we are also looking at infrastructure on the network to see how else we can reduce fare evasion."


TravelWatch SouthWest, 24th October 2025, Taunton - INVITE
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [367121/30939/34]
Posted by grahame at 09:35, 20th October 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
TravelWatch SouthWest (TWSW) provides a unique opportunity to engage with operators, politicians, and tiers of government and strategy-makers, from national to local bodies, and to network with transport and specialist group across out patch - Wiltshire, Gloucestershire, Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

Twice a year, we hold a general meeting, and this message is an invite to sign up and attend - Friday 24th October 2025 (this Friday) at the Firepool Innovation Centre in Taunton, which is just across from the railway station.  The event starts at 11:00 (Coffee from 10:30, timed to allow for good train connctions from across the area) and is free of charge. We (I am on the TWSW board) do need you to sign up ahead of time so that we can cater - yes, there IS such a thing as a free lunch, although we can't stretch to providing free travel to Taunton!




Web site front page - https://travelwatchsouthwest.org
Tickets - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/travelwatch-southwest-autumn-general-meeting-2025-transport-for-growth-tickets-1296764279869

If you are new to TravelWatch, or if you have attended in the past, you will be very welcome on Friday; Graham Parkhurst's keynote sets out how public transport is a driver for growth and enables access, economy, health, and environmental benefits, and the day will go on to introduce you to a whole panel of new faces - the movers and shakers in public tranpsort in these very interesting and changing times.  "Just a minute" brings you a whole series of updates on individual matters and campaigns, and a networking buffet lunch lets you make new connections and helps you plan and co-ordinate forward.  The food is usually pretty good too!




Am I invited? Yes, you are, if you feel this is relevant to you and worth taking the time out to come along.  We welcome people from students through to the retired, and from the tip of Cornwall right up to Bournemouth, Swindon and Cheltenham - beyond if you like; this is all about travel and linking places and not political boundaries.

TravelWatch SouthWest is a membership organisation, with members updated and interacting between these general meetings, and helping to pilot the organisation through the various political, social, economic, organisational and environemental changes that are going on at the moment.  We look to all modes of travel - road and rail (and ferries and flights too), to, from and within the south west of England.  Looking short term and, usefully, medium and long term so that passengers and passenger groups can help influence and partner with the industry and central government for the mutual benefit of all.

Re: Saturday, 25th October 2025 - Marlborough and Savernake Forest
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [367120/30937/34]
Posted by Marlburian at 08:56, 20th October 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Good luck  and a happy day, Grahame. I hope that the ground won't be too muddy after all the rain forecast for this week.

I was in the Chiseldon area a fortnight ago, exploring the site of the former army camp and forlornly looking for a concrete bridge said to have carried the short-lived camp railway over a brook. I found the brook, but the site of the bridge was covered by impenetrable trees.

It looks like the Saturday X5 services take the main road from Ogbourne to Chiseldon, though I think a few weekday services take the parallel minor road. I looked at a former zig-zag on it close to Sheppards Farm Dairy that was straightened out in the war to facilitate vehicle movements between Ogbourne and Chisledon camps. The zig was still evident and a right-of-way ,though the zag was completely overgrown; tarmac had worn off the "new" straight bit, exposing the original concrete.

Will you be visiting either of the two track-beds between Marlborough and Savernake? Ironically there's more to see of the curved MSWJR line that closed in the 1930s (IIRC) than the more direct GWR line that survived until 1961.

 

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [367119/29711/14]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 08:10, 20th October 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Worcester_Passenger
 
20.04 on Sunday from Paddington to Hereford started 22 late and ended 55 late. Fortunately the Royal Blenheim in Oxford is a very convivial waiting room.

A couple of sets running (if "running" is the word) around yesterday with engines out which didn't help.

State of service - South Western, as at October 2025
In "South Western services" [367118/30938/42]
Posted by grahame at 08:00, 20th October 2025
 
The state of service ... South Western from The BBC
An estimated £45.5m of annual revenue is being lost from passengers not paying for tickets, South Western Railway (SWR) has said.

The data was released after a campaign group submitted a Freedom of Information request to SWR, which said the overall rate of ticketless travel was about 3.9%.

The rail operator runs services in London, Surrey, Hampshire, Berkshire, Dorset, Devon, Somerset and Wiltshire.

An SWR spokesperson said: "Our revenue protection team is focused on effectively deterring fare evasion and bringing down the rate of ticketless travel."

It said ticketless travel had reduced by 40% since 2017 and was now at its lowest ever level.
The figure appears to be £5m higher than what SWR said in May, while across the rail industry in the UK, it is estimated fare evasion costs nearly £240m a year.

The Freedom of Information request also said that SWR spent more than £370,000 reimbursing passengers for hotels and taxis due to delays and cancellations.

Additionally, 7,293 trains in the last year were short formed and had less carriages than planned, due to train faults and other issues.

It says something about the system that's in place, doesn't it?  What are acceptable rates or reimbursement, cancellation, and ticketless travel?  Do those elements need attention to help reduce them?

 
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