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Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [360996/30206/44]
Posted by Mark A at 10:58, 28th April 2025
 
They're struggling with demand and also with the age of their fleet of trains. A roundup from Chiltern on this link.

Mark

https://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/capacity-challenges-2025


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360995/29711/14]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:50, 28th April 2025
 
Going back to route knowledge in 2021 60+ Bristol drivers used to sign Newport Hereford Oxford and Didcot as well as Worcester to Cheltenham. From next month that will be zero.

It used to be only the top link at Oxford signed the North Cotswolds, I don't know if that has changed since I finished.  The Worcester HSS drivers haven't been replaced as retirements occur. Again I don't know if there has been changes since retiring but the GWR drivers only signed Hereford to Oxford whilst HSS did Paddington to Oxford, Didcot to Worcester via Kemble and Standish to Bristol Parkway.

So there will be shortages from the timetable change.

Oxford's second link has signed the North Cotswolds (as far as Malvern Wells) for over twenty years.  With those links growing in numbers over that time it now stands at over 70 drivers - virtually the whole depot - that sign it.

Worcester GWR driver numbers are increasing at a quicker rate than HSS drivers are decreasing.  Originally the depot was 30 HSS drivers.  It is now 22 HSS drivers and 18 GWR ones.  Worcester GWR drivers now sign to Paddington via North and South Cotswolds routes and from Bristol Parkway to Paddington.  They also sign Turbos.

HSS is dying out as people retire, and it's probably no surprise that they are now starting to be starved of route knowledge.  Morale seems to be getting quite low on the HSS side from casual conversations I've had as that fact is slowly dawning on them.

To what extent in the grand scheme of things that will result in additional crew shortages remains to be seen.

Re: Stop orders as cover for cancelled services
In "Heart of Wessex" [360994/30201/19]
Posted by grahame at 10:25, 28th April 2025
 
It makes sense to add "stop" orders and indeed to call diverted trains during engineering works at various stations. 

It does happen - as an example,  during the recent closure of the St Denys to Fareham line, the SWR Romsey 6 was pulled between Southampton and Romsey via Eastleigh, with the diverted long distance Cardiff to Portsmouth train making the calls at Chandlers Ford which would otherwise have been unserved.

Dilton Marsh also sets stop orders added in at times when local trains are cancelled and that makes sense. However, reports suggest that sometimes these stops are added, sometimes they are not, and that unpredictability there is off-putting and inconvenient to people wanting to use the station.

The XC train is due to call at Gloucester from 22:00 to 22:05 which (I would presume) is the train that Infoman is talking about in his comment (no date given, so no ability to look back). As far as I can see, that should connect into a 22:13 last train to Cam and Dursley, and to Yate.    OK - it may have missed if there had been severe delays further north and it makes huge sense to arrange something from Parkway as it's far closer to Yate than is Gloucester, even though it's a double-back.   Adding further delay with a Yate stop would be novel for XC staff, and could (for we don't know how late the service from the north was) have solved one problem and created another with connections on to other places just missed.  Real solutions?  (a) put up with these things occasionally, (b) look to have a more robust system with longer recover holds and a more reliable and more money spent on problems system and (c) avoid the final service of the day when long distance connections are involved.

Re: Standardisation of Time and the Railway Clearing House
In "Railway History and related topics" [360993/27904/55]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:59, 28th April 2025
 
A bit more about the Railway Clearing House

Text said to be from 1935 at https://www.railwaywondersoftheworld.com/clearing-house.html

A PROSPECTIVE passenger can walk into any station booking-office in Great Britain and purchase a ticket for practically any other station in the country - and that ticket will take him right through to his destination, irrespective of the ownership of the lines over which he may have to travel.

The traveller may buy a ticket at Dover, on the Southern Railway, for - say, Oban, served by the LMS. How is the ticket money shared?

Again, a train of goods wagons on any line will often bear the initials of all the railway companies - GWR, LMS, LNER, SR. How is carriage paid for on the goods in these wagons - running as they do over the lines of other companies?

In both instances settlement is made through the Railway Clearing House. The story of the RCH, as it is usually known, goes back to the very early days of railway operation. At first there was no provision for through booking by passengers. It was not possible to send goods throughout the journey in the same wagon.

The travelling public soon began to demand the convenience of through booking. Merchants, too, dissatisfied with the loss and delay occasioned by transhipping goods from one company’s wagons to those of another, agitated for a system of through-invoicing for goods traffic. The railways were forced to give facilities to meet the general demand, but for a time the difficulties of settlement between the various companies were a bar to progress.


And not a computer or AI anywhere in the process.  How labour intensive and costly must this process (and all accountancy) been, back in the day!

Re: Doublebagging, Rawdoggers, Barebackers
In "Transport for London" [360992/30203/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 09:43, 28th April 2025
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From The Metro

Rucksacks, handbags and ugly briefcases are dumped on empty seats, as their owners lounge on the seat next to them. And of course, there’s no thought to move their bag to floor so you can take its place.

This infuriating behaviour isn’t new, but it’s now got a name: ‘double bagging’.

Ahhh - Just go to pick it up & place it the floor - the owner will quickly grab it & do that for you....

Priority seats redesigned for London transport - April 2025
In "Transport for London" [360991/30205/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 09:03, 28th April 2025
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From the BBC:



Priority seats on London's buses and Underground will be more clearly labelled, Transport for London (TfL) has said.

The transport body has redesigned its seating to have a greater colour contrast and with "This is a priority seat" signs on them. It will be added to new DLR and Piccadilly trains, as well as on refurbished Central and Waterloo and City line trains.

Seb Dance, deputy mayor for transport, is also asking Londoners to offer their seat to "those who may need it more than them".

TfL has said some customers who need to sit down may not always have a "please offer me a seat" badge or Sunflower lanyard. It said its new seat design matched the appearance of "please offer me a seat" badges and the Government's Blue Badge scheme, and aligned with the priority seating design already in place on the Jubilee line.

Allison Peter, deputy chair of TfL's independent Disability Advisory Group, said: "Priority seats are essential for many disabled people, including those with non-visible conditions, as well as older people. They play a vital role in enabling people to travel with confidence and stay connected in London. By looking up, offering our seat, and being mindful of non-visible disabilities, we can help to make public transport more accessible and inclusive."



Previous TfL research looked at how likely people were to get a priority seat if they needed one. It found that while many people who needed a seat got one, it was not always clear when someone needed a priority seat and people were not always paying attention to their surroundings to notice if someone needed a seat.

More than 152,000 free "please offer me a seat" badges have been issued since 2017. They can be used by people with a broad range of disabilities and conditions including chronic pain, respiratory conditions and diabetes, learning disabilities, autism, other forms of neurodivergence and mental health conditions.



Twyford to Bucklebury - a "quick carriage ride"? And Reading taxi fares.
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [360990/30204/49]
Posted by Marlburian at 08:57, 28th April 2025
 
On March 2 the Daily Express published (yet another) article about the best place in which to live, this time Twyford in Berkshire being the choice. One plus, apparently, is that it is "a quick carriage ride from the Princess of Wales’s childhood home in Bucklebury". It's unclear what sort of carriage that would be, as Bucklebury is four miles from the nearest station, and I can't see a horse drawing a carriage being very happy in Reading's traffic. (Could it use the town's controversial bus lanes?)

Eventually a local news website picked up the story, and though it retained the very tenuous royal connection (as  well as the town's proximity to Windsor), it wisely omitted the reference to quick carriage rides.

The same local website has also published a comparison of taxi fares. The full article may be behind a paywall, but it notes that "the average cost for a 4km journey in Reading is £18.06 ... with the average cost per 1km in the town being £3.39. " Four times £3.39 equals £13.56.

My friends must be lucky. On their last five taxi rides to my house from the station, they've been charged an average of £15.10 for a journey that is, at best, 5km, though drivers often take a longer route to avoid snarl-ups in Oxford Road and road works. Curiously the fares are much the same as before Lockdown.

Doublebagging, Rawdoggers, Barebackers
In "Transport for London" [360989/30203/46]
Posted by grahame at 07:38, 28th April 2025
 
From The Metro

You’re in a huff as you hurry through a sea of commuters onto a packed Circle Line train, praying you won’t be late for work (again).

You look around for a seat and, in typical fashion, they’re all occupied – but not by people.

Rucksacks, handbags and ugly briefcases are dumped on empty seats, as their owners lounge on the seat next to them. And of course, there’s no thought to move their bag to floor so you can take its place.

This infuriating behaviour isn’t new, but it’s now got a name: ‘double bagging’.


There’s another subset of London Underground passengers who have been labelled the worst of them all: the ‘barebackers’.

Get your mind out of the gutter – it’s a perfectly innocent term coined by Curtis Morton, co-host of the Behind the Screens podcast, in a TikTok that’s racked up nearly 100,000 views.

Essentially, barebackers – also known as rawdoggers – are people who sit without any form of entertainment and people-watch, staring at other passengers to pass the time.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360988/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 07:31, 28th April 2025
 
Not sure what you mean by a Sunday issue. Are you thinking about there being less demand because it’s a Sunday?

A few years ago, I’d have said yes. Now a lot more people travel on Sundays and later in the evening.

It stops at these stations Monday to Fridays, why not on Sundays?

Exactly my point - just clarifying where the 9 O'clock (ish) stops the rest of the week. 

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360987/18719/26]
Posted by Timmer at 07:12, 28th April 2025
 
Asking in context - isn't that a Sunday issue?  On Monday to Friday - 21:04 off Paddington to Plymouth making all three of these calls, and also later travel to Westbury available with a Swindon change (21:31 off Paddington) and even later via Bath Spa.
Not sure what you mean by a Sunday issue. Are you thinking about there being less demand because it’s a Sunday?

A few years ago, I’d have said yes. Now a lot more people travel on Sundays and later in the evening.

It stops at these stations Monday to Fridays, why not on Sundays?

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360986/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 06:51, 28th April 2025
 
And all the intermediate stops to Plymouth?
The 2100 Paddington to Exeter made extra stops to cover stations between Reading and Taunton:

21:00 London Paddington to Exeter St Davids due 23:11 will be diverted between Pewsey and Castle Cary.
It will call additionally at Newbury, Pewsey, Westbury and Castle Cary.
It will be delayed due to the diversion and is expected to be 12 minutes late.
This is due to the train making extra stops because a train was cancelled.

I have often wondered why this train doesn’t stop at these stations anyway to give Pewsey, Westbury and Castle Cary a later train from London. 2000 does seem a little early these days.


Asking in context - isn't that a Sunday issue?  On Monday to Friday - 21:04 off Paddington to Plymouth making all three of these calls, and also later travel to Westbury available with a Swindon change (21:31 off Paddington) and even later via Bath Spa.

Re: Stop orders as cover for cancelled services
In "Heart of Wessex" [360985/30201/19]
Posted by infoman at 05:50, 28th April 2025
 
A few weeks ago on the last cross country train of the day which was running late from the North.

Train still went into Gloucester (which cost an extra fifteen minutes?)

On arrival at Bristol Parkway approx ten 20 year olds were talking to staff about getting the 20 year olds back to Yate by taxi.




Re: Night Riviera - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "London to the West" [360984/489/12]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 04:35, 28th April 2025
 
21:15 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:04

27/04/25 21:15 Penzance to London Paddington due 05:04 will be terminated at Reading.

It will no longer call at London Paddington.

It is being delayed between Castle Cary and Bedwyn and is now expected to be 123 minutes late.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360983/18719/26]
Posted by Timmer at 21:54, 27th April 2025
 
And all the intermediate stops to Plymouth?
The 2100 Paddington to Exeter made extra stops to cover stations between Reading and Taunton:

21:00 London Paddington to Exeter St Davids due 23:11 will be diverted between Pewsey and Castle Cary.
It will call additionally at Newbury, Pewsey, Westbury and Castle Cary.
It will be delayed due to the diversion and is expected to be 12 minutes late.
This is due to the train making extra stops because a train was cancelled.

I have often wondered why this train doesn’t stop at these stations anyway to give Pewsey, Westbury and Castle Cary a later train from London. 2000 does seem a little early these days.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [360982/29711/14]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 20:48, 27th April 2025
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Going back to route knowledge in 2021 60+ Bristol drivers used to sign Newport Hereford Oxford and Didcot as well as Worcester to Cheltenham. From next month that will be zero.

It used to be only the top link at Oxford signed the North Cotswolds, I don't know if that has changed since I finished.  The Worcester HSS drivers haven't been replaced as retirements occur. Again I don't know if there has been changes since retiring but the GWR drivers only signed Hereford to Oxford whilst HSS did Paddington to Oxford, Didcot to Worcester via Kemble and Standish to Bristol Parkway.

So there will be shortages from the timetable change.

So glad to be out of it all.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360981/18719/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:31, 27th April 2025
 
And all the intermediate stops to Plymouth?

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360980/18719/26]
Posted by Mark A at 20:17, 27th April 2025
 
Indeed, it stayed cancelled and the National Rail site is suggesting the sleeper.

Mark

Re: Taplow-Hassocks
In "Fare's Fair" [360979/30198/4]
Posted by stuving at 19:32, 27th April 2025
 
Possibly a not very helpful multi-modal option. It is normally cheaper not to go via London. The Wexham Park to Bracknell bus (53?) and then a Reading Buses 4 to Wokingham station, then the Noth Downs line to Gatwick and change for Hassocks. Depends on how much time you have to waste. Also check service 53 because I believe it doesn't run seven days.

However, in this case possibly not. From Taplow the two fares (both priced by GWR) are £51.40  via London and £57.80 via Reading. From Wokingham not via London (GWR) is £46.50 (and the any permitted/via London (SWR) is £59.40, not that it's relevant here). Standard SVR full fare in each case. So it is a bit cheaper, but not enough to make it worthwhile (unless you want to go multimodal for other reasons).

Re: Czech Catering.
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [360978/30202/52]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 19:23, 27th April 2025
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That post wasn't well constructed.
Breakfast between Brno and Česká Třebová then dinner this evening between Praha Holešovice and Ústí nad Labem.

Re: Taplow-Hassocks
In "Fare's Fair" [360977/30198/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:20, 27th April 2025
 
I think TaplowHassocks could be a rather good username. 

Czech Catering.
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [360976/30202/52]
Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 18:31, 27th April 2025
 
As mentioned on the GWR catering thread I'm quite impressed with the offerings on České Dráhy.

https://jidelnivozy.cz/menu/index.html

Is the menu. So today heading north from Brno I had the ham and eggs but unfortunately the 3 yolks were all solid

Re: Taplow-Hassocks
In "Fare's Fair" [360975/30198/4]
Posted by bobm at 18:19, 27th April 2025
 
Reminds me of one of my grandfathers.   His chosen cuss word in front of the children was "Oh Hassocks!".   

Re: Driving tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360974/30200/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:15, 27th April 2025
 
I believe the Reading test centre has closed. Seemed to be a lack of DVLA signage when I went by the other day.

Yes, the Reading Driving Test Centre is closed - due to relocation.

From the Reading Chronicle:

Date of closure confirmed for Reading driving test centre



The driving test centre in Reading has confirmed when it will be conducting its last lot of tests following news that it is relocating.

The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) was served notice by the owner of the current driving test centre site, because it is being redeveloped for housing. Staff have now found a permanent new location for a driving test centre, and are in the process of negotiating a lease for this.

The last day of testing at the Elgar Road site will be on March 22 2025. It was hoped that this would mean they could move from the current site to the new permanent site, but we are being asked to leave by the landlord before the new site is ready.

For this reason, they are invoking the business continuity plan, which involves running driving tests from the nearby Holiday Inn in Reading. All driving examiners will move to the temporary site, so there will be no interruption or loss of tests. The first day of testing at the Holiday Inn temporary site will be March 24 2025. Following this, all driving examiner roles will move to the new permanent site later in the year.

A spokesperson said "I am unable to confirm the location of the new site yet as it is still commercially sensitive at this stage of the process; this is normal practice in the commercial property sector. We will be happy to write to you again when we are able to announce where the permanent site is. We will be holding an information session about the temporary move on the 10 March at 6:00pm at the Holiday Inn. We are fully committed to opening the permanent new driving test centre in Reading as soon as possible."

The centre, where drivers undertake their practical tests, is set to be demolished to make way for a new residential building containing 16 flats.



Re: Beggars on the railways
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360973/12651/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:03, 27th April 2025
 

The French authorities have a rather more....ahem....robust attitude to these issues. I shall never forget a trip to Paris for the France v England rugby match whilst everything was kicking off in the Balkans.........we were in a bar in Place Pigalle (keeping it classy as ever!) and there was a young Kosovan girl begging on the other side of the road - late teens I would have thought - we had spoken to her a little earlier and given her a few coins.

Along comes a CRS van, "the lads" pile out, have a quick look around and promptly piled into her, kicking, punching etc before chucking her into the back of the van..........one of our number was a middle ranking Police Officer who happened to speak French and was disgusted by what he was seeing - despite the advice of the bar staff to desist, he ran across the road to intervene, and was stopped short by one of the French CRS guys pointing a gun at him and telling him in no uncertain terms to mind his own business.


I've just stumbled across this historic topic - for which I, too, can offer an example from France: see https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=28122.msg358246#msg358246

CfN. 

Re: Driving tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360972/30200/51]
Posted by CyclingSid at 16:31, 27th April 2025
 
I believe the Reading test centre has closed. Seemed to be a lack of DVLA signage when I went by the other day.

Re: Taplow-Hassocks
In "Fare's Fair" [360971/30198/4]
Posted by CyclingSid at 16:28, 27th April 2025
 
Possibly a not very helpful multi-modal option. It is normally cheaper not to go via London. The Wexham Park to Bracknell bus (53?) and then a Reading Buses 4 to Wokingham station, then the Noth Downs line to Gatwick and change for Hassocks. Depends on how much time you have to waste. Also check service 53 because I believe it doesn't run seven days.

Sorry I am used to doing odd multi-modal things with the Brompton.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [360970/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:55, 27th April 2025
 
This sort of cancellation/reinstatement** dance, when it involves the last train of the day, must do a disproportionate amount of damage to the confidence that intending travellers hold in the railway as a travel mode.

Mark

**Not yet reinstated, but let's see.
Now completely cancelled 

 ..............cosy on the sleeper then?

Re: Taplow-Hassocks
In "Fare's Fair" [360969/30198/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 15:50, 27th April 2025
 
Many thanks for sharing your knowledge/advice.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360968/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 15:47, 27th April 2025
 
and some additional information.

14:22 Frome to Swindon due 15:34

We're sorry for the disruption to your journey.
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Taxis have been arranged leaving Westbury at 14:47 calling at Trowbridge (14:59), Melksham (15:12) and Chippenham (15:29 arrival). Change at Chippenham for Swindon. The taxi company is Bath Taxis.
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Road transport pick up/drop off points can be found on the information poster at stations or online at nre.co.uk/stations

If you arrive at your destination 15 or more minutes late because your GWR train was delayed or cancelled, you can claim Delay Repay compensation. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay

Re: Driving tests - ongoing discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360967/30200/51]
Posted by JayMac at 13:45, 27th April 2025
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I was extremely happy for my daughter after she passed her test at the first attempt. She'd waited nearly 7 months for her practical test date after passing her theory. Had she failed it would probably have meant a similar long wait.

Learning to drive can be a stressful time for young people. Having to wait so long for a test doesn't help. It can also be a financial burden. You may be test ready after a handful of lessons, but then need to keep taking lessons to keep your skills sharp in preparation for your test.

The only positive from my daughter's interminable wait for a test was the chance to really hone her driving skills, and do plenty of mock tests. It certainly worked for my her.

That and the fact she had an excellent teacher for much of her learner driving. Me! Nearer her test date she had lessons with an instructor, but they were mainly focused on learning to pass her test, rather than learning to drive.

We started off road at Upottery Airfield learning basic car control, manoeuvres, vehicle checks and basic maintenance. Then on to quiet streets and out of town B roads, and finally busy town traffic and 70mph dual carriageways.

Since passing her test I've accompanied her a couple of times onto the M5 for continued learning.

 
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