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Re: Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary
In "Who's who on Western railways" [369218/29546/2]
Posted by TonyK at 22:03, 9th December 2025
 
It's a tricky old poison chalice to drink from. I'm no Nick Leeson, so can't even start to work out the right answers, but the risk of continued inertia must be at least as great as the risk of ordering something that is of no value within a short time.  I think we can forget all about hydrogen now, which would open the way for multiple battery units with intermittent charging of high power at termini. The principle has been established, they would work on many branch lines, but would that fit with everything else? A lot of energy will be used just in deciding what needs changing most urgently, and what with. I think a proper rolling stock strategy would look to as much standardisation as possible, whilst retaining flexibility of modes, and just hope we anticipate enough future advances in technology to make it worthwhile making a lot of them. The IET project suffered from changes in design at various stages, something that should be learned from.
But as a lot of things in politics, there are few big quick fixes.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [369217/28982/26]
Posted by TonyK at 21:41, 9th December 2025
 
The 175 move Wolverton to Laira was cancelled today. Maybe another go next week? It will be 4 weeks since the last move.

175002 and 175114 have been at Laira for a year!!

So surely they at least are not in a terrible state.  What happened to them in Wolverton - wipe the windows, check the oil, dollar gas?

Well at least they ain't wastin' time no more - they're southbound. But enough of my ramblin', man.

I knew I could rely on you, and they weren't just wasted words!

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369216/31229/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:00, 9th December 2025
 
With Dover Street now Green Park (having moved its entrance in 1933) and Uxbridge Road being extant (or at least, on the map), I assume Graham's diagram dates within the years from the mid thirties leading up to WW2.

Re: AQ - Sometimes there are no trains ... 7.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369215/31222/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:53, 9th December 2025
 
Here they all are ...

0 - Melksham, England
1 - Telgart, Slovakia
2 - Ludvika, Sweden
3 - St Malo, France
4 - Santorini, Greece
5 - Katakolon, Greece
6 - Venice Mestre, Italy
7 - Storlien, Sweden
8 - Melksham, England
9 - Tallinn, Estonia
10 - Faro, Portugal
11 - Felletin, France
12 - Leer, Germany

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369214/31229/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:41, 9th December 2025
 
Some that aren't mentioned so far ...

Victoria Line
Queens Road now Queensway
Aldwych Branch closed
Met line now runs express Finchley Road to Wembley Park
Knights Bridge now Knightsbridge
Addison Road now Kensington Olympia
Shepherds Bush / Wood Lane - changes there?

Re: Luxury night bus company redefining overland travel across Europe
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369213/31232/52]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:32, 9th December 2025
 
Thanks for those informative and detailed posts here, ChrisB.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369212/29726/18]
Posted by Mark A at 20:23, 9th December 2025
 
Today's charter train seems to have had a complicated start to its return trip back to London Victoria. The set left Bristol roughly on time but then called at Bath and departed two hours and nine minutes late, very quietly, under diesel power. As it was booked to allow six hours between Bath and London Victoria perhaps it'll have an on-time arrival. Where the passengers were tucked during the delay I don't know.

Mark

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U72587/2025-12-09/detailed


Re: Regulated rail fares frozen in England until March 2027
In "Fare's Fair" [369211/31142/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:19, 9th December 2025
 
Catch!!

TfL fares ARE going up - by the full RPI+1% (5.8%) in March. The TfL funding deal from the Spending Review trumps Heidi's fare freeze elsewhere in England - and this requires annual price increases of RPI+1% until the end of the settlement period. This includes Travelcard prices & fares on the Elizabeth Line too.

From The Standard, via MSN

Exclusive: Londoners face inflation-busting 5.8% rise in Tube fares

At a glance
• TfL fares are likely to rise by 5.8% next March, as required by the Government’s funding deal (RPI + 1), meaning no freeze for Tube, Overground, Elizabeth line or Travelcards despite the national rail fares freeze

• Typical Tube fares will increase by 5p–20p, raising, for example, a Zones 1–2 peak fare from £3.50 to £3.70, but bus fares may be protected

• City Hall says the above-inflation rise is tied to securing £2.2bn in funding, with money from fares and road-user charges helping to fund new Piccadilly line trains and the DLR expansion

Tube fares in London are set to rise by an inflation-busting 5.8 per cent, Sir Sadiq Khan has confirmed to The Standard.

The mayor made clear that the national rail fare freeze would not result in a similar freeze in Transport for London fares from next March.

It means that passengers using rail services in London, such as the Elizabeth line and the London Overground, will not benefit from the national rail fares freeze.

Nor will passengers who use Travelcards, as the cost of these “combined” tickets – which cover national rail services and TfL services – are also expected to increase by a similar amount.

It could mean the cost of a single Zones 1-2 Tube ticket, for example, between Highbury & Islington and Oxford Circus, would increase from £3.50 to £3.70 for a peak-hours journey and from £2.90 to £3.10 off-peak.

A zones 1-6 Tube journey, such as from Uxbridge to Baker Street, could increase from £5.80 to £6.15 at peak times and from £3.80 to £4.05 off-peak.

Tube fares only increase by 5p or 10p or similar increments, meaning the precise increase may be above or below the 5.8 per cent overall average.

Sir Sadiq said a rise equivalent to one percentage point above the RPI rate of inflation was a condition of the £2.2bn capital funding deal that TfL secured from Chancellor Rachel Reeves in June’s spending review.

He said this requirement – which requires above-inflation fare rises every year until the end of the decade – was “not unreasonable” and was “fair”.The mayor takes the national fare changes into consideration when he sets TfL fares for the forthcoming year.

In March this year, when national rail fares rose by 4.6 per cent, most TfL fares – other than bus fares - increased by the same amount.

However, mayoral sources pointed to four years of partial fares freezes pre-pandemic - and a fifth year before the 2024 mayoral election - as evidence that the mayor did not always replicate what happened nationally.

Last month, Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander decided to freeze “regulated” rail fares – those typically paid by commuters – from March 2026, the first freeze in national rail fares in 30 years.

Asked by The Standard whether he would be able to replicate the national rail fares freeze when he sets TfL fares, the mayor made clear this was not an option.

Speaking at the launch of a new ferry across the Thames, Sir Sadiq said: “What Government didn’t announce was individual cities freezing their fares.

“Londoners know that when we had the deal with the Government on the SR [spending review], the Government gave us £2.2bn – the biggest ever multi-year deal we have received in more than a decade.

“One of the things the Government said was that they’d expect us to raise our fares by RPI+1, which pays for around £450m towards capital investment.

“So that was not an unreasonable request from the Government, because the Government’s contributing hugely. They are not unreasonably saying, as grown-ups, we should also contribute. I think that is fair.”

Exact details of the new fares are likely to be published shortly before Christmas.

Sir Sadiq has a long-established practice of keeping bus fares as low as possible, so an “across the board” hike is not guaranteed.

Asked to clarify that a fares freeze was not on the cards for London, Sir Sadiq said: “No. The DfT were quite clear: the announcement from the Government was for a national rail fares freeze.

“So if you go from Euston to Manchester, or from King’s Cross to Newcastle, that was what the Government’s announcement was for. It wasn’t for travelling within Manchester, travelling within Liverpool, or travel within London.”

Travelcards are also expected to rise as they cover the cost of TfL fares and national rail fares.

But there is a risk that TfL’s share of the revenue from Travelcards may not be as high as expected, because of the national rail fares freeze.

Sir Sadiq said City Hall was talking to DfT and the Treasury to compensate TfL for any “knock-on consequences”.

He said: “The good news is that… we are working with them constructively to make sure there isn’t any adverse consequences on London.”

In her letter to Sir Sadiq in the wake of the June spending review, Ms Alexander stated: “The funding in this settlement is provided against an assumed scenario that overall TfL fares will rise by the value of RPI+1 for each year of this settlement.”

Money raised from fares and road user charges is reinvested by TfL into maintaining and improving the capital’s public transport network.

Fleets of new Piccadilly line and DLR trains are due to enter service in 2026, Oxford Street is set to be part-pedestrianised and planning work will begin on extending the DLR to Thamesmead.

The figure traditionally used for the calculation of fares is the July RPI inflation rate – which this year was 4.8 per cent.

The more commonly used CPI rate of inflation was 3.8 per cent in October.

Regulated train fares are those that are set, or regulated, by the Government, such as commuter fares and season tickets.

They exclude fares that train companies can set by themselves, which include first class tickets and advance tickets.

Re: Eurostar - merged posts, ongoing discussion topic
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369210/26929/52]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:11, 9th December 2025
 
FRom Metro, via MSN

Direct Eurostar trains to Germany will skip Berlin

London is one step closer to getting a direct high-speed train to some of Germany’s most iconic cities.

Eurostar and German national rail company Deutsche Bahn (DB) are exploring options to run non-stop services between the UK and Europe’s largest economy, the Department of Transport has confirmed.

Set to start in the early 2030s, the routes would use Eurostar’s new double-decker Celestia fleet, set to be the first double-decker rolling stock operated in the UK and the Channel Tunnel.

If plans go ahead, millions of passengers could reach Cologne in four hours and Frankfurt in less than five hours from the UK capital.

But nothing has been said about a direct service to Berlin, despite Transport Secretary, Heidi Alexander, praising the idea earlier this year.

As it stands, you must change trains in Brussels to reach German destinations. It takes at least five-and-a-half hours to get to Frankfurt, and a little over four hours to arrive in Cologne.

Shorter journeys, such as those to Frankfurt and Cologne, are seen as more commercially viable than the current 10-hour train journey time to Berlin.

Market studies conducted by Eurostar found travellers are comfortable with international rail journeys of up to six hours.

‘Our research indicates that many would choose rail over air for trips within this timeframe,’ Eurostar told Sky News. ‘This, combined with strong business and leisure demand on this route, is why we have prioritised London to Frankfurt.’

What about Berlin, then?
In July, Mark Smith, an expert in rail travel who runs the popular Man in Seat 61 website, exclusively told Metro that a direct link between London and Berlin is unlikely.

‘If you’re running several trains a day from Frankfurt or Cologne, you can probably justify that. One train a day to Berlin that would take all day, you probably can’t justify that,’ he said.

‘I think it is unlikely that an operator will find a commercial way to run a train all the way to and from Berlin with full customs, border control and passport checks located in Berlin.

‘As distance increases, the track access costs rise, the number of journeys you get out of the rolling stop dramatically reduces – to Berlin, you are basically going to get one journey a day out of a very expensive piece of kit.

‘And yet, the money you can get from London to Berlin isn’t that much greater than London to Brussels because a one-directional flight, which you’re competing with, is about the same cost.’

Will it definitely happen?
That remains to be seen.

This isn’t the first time a direct route between London and Frankfurt has been looked at, for instance.

In 2010, Deutsche Bahn tried (and failed) with proposals for the Inter City Express, which were shelved after it encountered a mass of red tape and complications, including differences in train voltage, crossing borders and tunnels.

This time, DB has been clear that these services will only happen if Germany and the UK work together.

‘Implementation by individual railway companies is considered extremely difficult,’ a spokesperson said.

‘Joint partnerships are therefore crucial.’

Eurostar CEO Gwendoline Cazenave said: ‘We’re thrilled to kick off this partnership with DB. It’s a big step towards making travel between London and Germany more sustainable and effortless.

‘By combining Eurostar’s cross-channel know-how and new fleet with DB’s strong presence in Germany, we’re creating a whole new level of connectivity and convenience for our customers. This partnership will help continue to power Eurostar’s growth and bring us closer to our goal of carrying 30 million passengers across our network.’

Sir Keir Starmer also welcomed the plans, saying they bring the UK ‘one step closer to a new rail link that will put Britain at the heart of a better-connected Europe and paves the way for increased trade, tourism and investment’.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369209/29726/18]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 20:08, 9th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
With all the diversions through Chippenham going on, Thingley Junction has indigestion.

I think you should change your strap line to "Two tracks now!"

Re: Luxury night bus company redefining overland travel across Europe
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369208/31232/52]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:07, 9th December 2025
 
A couple of reviews -

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/we-tested-europe-s-luxurious-new-business-class-sleeper-bus-between-amsterdam-and-zurich/ar-AA1RGaJF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=73c4a8361503439bfceb506ffe5b5547&ei=334

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/other/inside-the-new-business-class-european-buses-where-seats-turn-into-full-beds/ar-AA1RMkmw?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=18b3453edb524d86e577e3bac3ecf154&ei=40

Luxury night bus company redefining overland travel across Europe
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [369207/31232/52]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:05, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
From Euronews, via MSN

A new night bus network has now launched in Europe, with routes connecting some of the continent's key tourist destinations.

Run by Swiss transportation company Twiliner, the service aims to close "the comfort gap in long-distance travel".

The sleeper bus began operations in November, with stops across Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain.

It gives eco-conscious travellers another long-distance transport alternative to short-haul flights.

Twiliner claims journeys on their coaches are as sustainable as going by train and save 85 per cent of CO2e emissions compared to flying.

It adds that vehicles run on HVO diesel, a renewable fuel derived from waste fats and vegetable oils.



A night bus with seating like an aeroplane business class
Twiliner has also made comfort a top priority for its coaches, with facilities similar to those found on sleeper trains.

The seats are the first on a bus in Europe to completely transform into beds at the push of a button, allowing travellers to get some shut-eye when they choose during the journey.

The 21 seats (18 located on the upper deck and 3 on the lower) have been modelled on those found in business class on planes, with pillows and blankets provided.



Each seating area also has electrical outlets, a table, and individual reading lights, along with complimentary internet access. There is a small storage compartment to keep personal items within easy reach.

On the lower deck, passengers can get ready for bed in the spacious bathroom and changing room facilities (though showers aren't available).

Also on this level is a snack bar, where travellers can find light refreshments. Coffee and water are free.

In terms of luggage, passengers are permitted to bring one large suitcase that adheres to Twiliner's specifications (maximum 23kg; 80 x 50 x 35cm) plus one carry-on item (maximum 5kg; 50 x 30 x 20cm).

Additional items like bicycles, skiing equipment, and surfboards can be brought on board as long as they have been booked in advance.

Night bus network aims to connect 25 European cities by 2028
When it launched in November, the company started with two routes: Zurich to Amsterdam, stopping in Basel, Luxembourg, Brussels and Rotterdam; and Zurich to Barcelona with a stop in Girona.

Buses run several times a week - likely increasingly to daily next year - and prices begin at around €180 one way.

There are no other scheduled rest stops during journeys, except for obligatory driver changes.

Twiliner notes that their service isn't appropriate for families with small children, as passengers under five years old are not permitted to travel.

Older children are welcomed on board, "as long as they are familiar with long-distance travelling and can take the quiet, sleep-friendly environment into consideration."

Ultimately, the company aims to have a continent-wide network of overnight bus services that complements current night train operations, with a view to connecting Europe's 25 most visited cities within three years.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369206/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:46, 9th December 2025
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06

17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 has been delayed between Chippenham and Trowbridge and is now 9 minutes late.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

Main line (at Chippenham) congestion- waiting for the train from Westbury to come off the branch, which in turn was waiting for a mainline opening towards Swindon.  With all the diversions through Chippenham going on, Thingley Junction has indigestion.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369205/31038/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:16, 9th December 2025
 
Simon Calder on X/Twitter

Great British Railways.
Rail minister Lord Peter Hendy:
A unified operator of track and train will deliver a better passenger experience.
Fares: pay-as-you-go around key cities; on longer journeys, dynamic pricing to manage demand.
And a new GBR ticket app

Oh happy days! Dynamic Pricing = the end of the Off-peak return then....

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369204/31038/40]
Posted by grahame at 19:12, 9th December 2025
 
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.

Indeed. You wouldn't see Siobahn Sharpe and her chums at Perfect Curve making that kind of schoolchild-error.

I suspect that the DfT was keen above all not to generate headlines about cost. Which may have worked; as far as I can detect the media has not reported it.

It's a very useful thing to have the public discuss and comment on - drawing their fire while other things that may be much more significant get passed through with less argument over them.

On the design - I was going to post that my wife could have done better - but I fear that might be faint praise.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369203/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 17:35, 9th December 2025
 
I missed this one:
20:56 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 23:29 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 14:32
And this despite running the stock empty from Paddington.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369202/31038/40]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 17:26, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.

To be fair, I think GBR will be reintroducing turntables 

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [369201/29711/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 16:40, 9th December 2025
 

17:57 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 20:11 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 14:32


And following the cancellation of the 17:57, the next service won't get you beyond Reading!!!

18:57 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 21:18 will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at Oxford, Hanborough, Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Honeybourne, Evesham, Pershore, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcester Foregate Street, Malvern Link and Great Malvern.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 15:24

But now, better news

18:57 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 21:18 will call additionally at Shipton.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated: 09/12/2025 16:53

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369200/31038/40]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:33, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.

Indeed. You wouldn't see Siobahn Sharpe and her chums at Perfect Curve making that kind of schoolchild-error.

I suspect that the DfT was keen above all not to generate headlines about cost. Which may have worked; as far as I can detect the media has not reported it.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369199/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 16:02, 9th December 2025
 
Tuesdays and Fridays are my days off (AKA working from home) fortunately It does look pretty grim outside at the moment, a good day to not be commuting.

Surpisingly, only one issue so far

15:15 Swindon to Westbury due 15:59

15:15 Swindon to Westbury due 15:59 is being delayed between Chippenham and Melksham and is now expected to be 12 minutes late.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

Aggregate empties from Appleford to Whatley running 23 minutes late as it passed though Melksham.  The passenger trains had to wait at Thingley Junction for the freight to clear Bradford Junction because there are no intermediate signals.  Gone are the days of signals and boxes at Lacock, Beanacre, Melksham, Holt and Staverton. 

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369198/31038/40]
Posted by broadgage at 14:47, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369197/31226/49]
Posted by grahame at 13:46, 9th December 2025
Already liked by bradshaw, Chris from Nailsea
 
I have found a tracing I did from the GWR route surveys. It is dated 1877. It shows the goods shed and platforms but no signal box. This was 3years after the gauge was narrowed. Somewhere there is a photo of Melksham supposedly from the 1874 gauge change.



Fascinating - and this is the 1874 picture:



Supplied by the Melksham Historical Association for appropriate use to promote the (re)use of the station.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369196/31038/40]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 13:32, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
That's a mess if you ask me ,far too harsh on the eye for my taste.

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369195/31226/49]
Posted by bradshaw at 13:10, 9th December 2025
 
I have found a tracing I did from the GWR route surveys. It is dated 1877. It shows the goods shed and platforms but no signal box. This was 3years after the gauge was narrowed. Somewhere there is a photo of Melksham supposedly from the 1874 gauge change.


Newquay trains cancelled because of flooding 9 December 2025
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [369194/31231/25]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 13:08, 9th December 2025
 
12:16 Par to Newquay due 13:04 will be cancelled.
This is due to flooding.
Last Updated:09/12/2025 09:31

etc

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369193/31038/40]
Posted by ray951 at 12:25, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
That livery is a mess, too many colours going in too many directions. It certainly wasn't designed by professionals, more likely it was the output of a group activity at a Dft/GBR corporate away day.

And have you noticed how the colours change direction i.e. in the photo the first three carriages have the white stripe raising on the right and the 4th carriage the white stripe raises on the left. How will that look on a train with an odd number of carriages, you'll have 3 going one way and 2 the other   Maybe the 'designers' don't like symmetry.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369192/31038/40]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:25, 9th December 2025
Already liked by matth1j, Western Pathfinder
 
I think the best silver linings to this cloud are:

* They saved money by assigning the design job to someone on Youth Opportunities (presumably)
* It probably won't last long
* Regions will get their own identities

Re: On this day - 9th December 2005 - last Routemaster in regular service
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369190/28241/47]
Posted by grahame at 11:57, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, Mark A
 
20 years ago today ... from ((here)) under a Creative Commons License


Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369189/31038/40]
Posted by lympstone_commuter at 11:54, 9th December 2025
 
Hmmm - in my view, this simply illustrates how excellent the (current) GWR branding is.

Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369188/31038/40]
Posted by grahame at 11:38, 9th December 2025
Already liked by lympstone_commuter, eightonedee, Western Pathfinder, Mark A
 
However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.

Just... yikes.

I recently commissioned an excellent designer to redesign parts of cycle.travel because I recognise that design is absolutely not my strength. That's for one little website/app, not for an entire nationalised railway.

Redesigning GBR in-house, with a team of people who have presumably never designed a train livery before, is reminiscent of the disaster when Marissa Mayer redesigned the Yahoo logo.

What we are talking about ... as on the gov.uk site:


Questions raised (some already in this thread) are such as
* How clean will it be kept?
* Does the logo turn around for running the other way?
* How will yellow and red striped for first class and catering fit with this?
* How will it look when multiple units are coupled and perhaps one is turned around?

 
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