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20.4.2025 (Sunday) 11:26 - All running AOK
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Salisbury Station, 2025 edition
In "South Western services" [360723/30171/42]
Posted by Mark A at 11:26, 20th April 2025
 
Changing trains there yesterday for the second time in a week, and towards both ends of the day. In the morning, the 06:04 from Bath has a ten minute pause at Westbury built into the timetable, and arrived into Salisbury with a cross-platform change into the 05:10 from Exeter, which has a similar ten minutes call in the timetable, so this felt relaxed in a good way. At the other end of the day, about a dozen people on to the 21:42 to Cardiff not many of which had come in on the connection from Waterloo. Not many on the Portsmouth  train as it made its onward journey.

Salisbury platform 4 now having a waiting room, and it being open in the evenings, is a big improvement for travellers. The small scale but pervasive seasonal decoration of the booking office must have been a welcome sight for the people travelling with children earlier in the week.

The other day, ok, holidays, I don't think this was subjective, the number of groups travelling with children on the SW main line made the passenger mix visibly distinct from the impressions often given by the GW main line.

The photo shows the 19:50 sunset service out of a busy Waterloo Station for Salisbury, five minutes before the off. The platform isdeserted because the passengers were all boarded at this point, filling the 3 carriages to a cheerful 100% capacity, the service feeling capacity constrained (and missing an extension to a string of additional destinations).

Mark


Re: Firstgroup's rail division trading 'ahead of expectations'
In "Across the West" [360722/30153/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:22, 20th April 2025
 
The DfT do seem to be picking on the better run operations first for transfers. If they keep that up next year, I suspect GWR will be one of those selected, personally speaking

Re: Firstgroup's rail division trading 'ahead of expectations'
In "Across the West" [360721/30153/26]
Posted by Noggin at 11:14, 20th April 2025
 
Remember that First have a *long* experience of quietly playing politicians and civil servants and it's arguable that the GWR franchise is one of the better ones as a result of them plugging away at it for over 20 years, making the best of the IET, coping with electrification, aging rolling stock, lack of long-term investment etc.

I've always suspected that one of First's strategies was to be "The Devil you know" i.e. with GWR, they delivered the goods at an affordable subsidy level and didn't cause politicians or civil servants too many headaches - but they were no-one's poodle and would operate sharply where necessary.

So I suspect the statements around open access and their existing franchises might be a throw of the dice to get a couple more years on their existing franchises - "let us discreetly take care of things for a couple more years whilst you sort out GBR, no-one but the trainspotters will ever notice".   

Re: Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the best journey
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [360720/30169/3]
Posted by Mark A at 11:04, 20th April 2025
 
* My 9 minutes from Platform 4 to Platform 13 at Bristol Temple Meads

There's your answer right there.....
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An issue with Bristol Temple Meads is the often thin service combined with the station being worked in a way that often makes no attempt to minimise the distances that people have to walk to make connections.

Walking's good but not when it's designed-in as an additional feature of a transport system. At that point it becomes an accessibility issue.

Mark

Re: FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
In "Fare's Fair" [360719/30127/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:38, 20th April 2025
 
Incorrect programming in those gates?

Re: Eyesight rules for motorists unsafe, says coroner
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360718/30168/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:37, 20th April 2025
 
I've always said anyone over 70 must have an annual eye test, and that result must be available for the DVLA to see.
Possibly a simple re-test every two years for driving ability as well.

Professional wagon and bus drivers need an annual eye test and medical over 70 years of age, so car drivers should have similar.

Agree 100% with eye test and re-test for driving.

Being in a car with my late Father driving when he was in his early 80s was often an experience where all concerned found themselves praying to whatever God they held dear!

Re: Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the best journey
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [360717/30169/3]
Posted by ChrisB at 10:37, 20th April 2025
 
* My 9 minutes from Platform 4 to Platform 13 at Bristol Temple Meads

There's your answer right there.....

Bristol temple meads has a minimum connection time of 10 mins according to national rail website.
Booking systems can not sell an itinerary less than this.

Yes, understood.

Re: Eyesight rules for motorists unsafe, says coroner
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360716/30168/51]
Posted by GBM at 10:33, 20th April 2025
Already liked by TaplowGreen
 
I've always said anyone over 70 must have an annual eye test, and that result must be available for the DVLA to see.
Possibly a simple re-test every two years for driving ability as well.

Professional wagon and bus drivers need an annual eye test and medical over 70 years of age, so car drivers should have similar.

Re: Firstgroup's rail division trading 'ahead of expectations'
In "Across the West" [360715/30153/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:11, 20th April 2025
 
I wonder how much of this "better than expected" financial performance for FirstGroup will be reflected in additional investment into GWR services?

Will customers see any improvements as a result?

No private company will invest when there’s no chance of recouping their investment.

And that won’t change when it goes back under public ownership.

Fair point - good news for the shareholders, not so good for the taxpayers!

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360714/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 09:54, 20th April 2025
 
Over running engineering works have also done for the first service from Swindon to London Paddington (starts Didcot Parkway) and first westbound service to Bristol and Exeter St Davids (starts Bristol Temple Meads).

Oh dear ...  From Swindon to London, there's an 08:00 bus (change Reading) and an 09:40 train ... first train to Westbury now 2 hours after that. Passenger volumes are of course very different, but it's also a reminder of just how serious cancelling even one train on an infrequent service is.

Nearly 4 hours to wait for public transport home to Melksham now if you miss the 17:44 (and on a Sunday, the evening buses from Bath don't run so even those of us in "the know" would struggle)


Urgent bridge repairs in Cardiff area
In "London to South Wales" [360713/30170/11]
Posted by bradshaw at 09:47, 20th April 2025
 
Just appeared on GWR Journey Check

Cancellations to services between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central
Due to urgent repairs to a bridge between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Urgent repairs are required to a bridge in the Cardiff area.

As a result of this fewer train services will be able to operate through that area and owing to the reduction in the operational flexiblility there those services which do operate may be subject to further delay and revision. Train services between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central may terminate and start back from Newport where a change of train will be required to travel to / from Cardiff Central. Additionally, some trains between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central may not run at all.

GWR ticket holders may use Transport for Wales services in the area at no extra cost but do note that their services will also be severely affected by this incident.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause to your journey today.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360712/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 09:24, 20th April 2025
 
Over running engineering works have also done for the first service from Swindon to London Paddington (starts Didcot Parkway) and first westbound service to Bristol and Exeter St Davids (starts Bristol Temple Meads).

Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360711/30166/26]
Posted by a-driver at 09:09, 20th April 2025
 
8.  St Budeaux Ferry Road

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360710/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:58, 20th April 2025
 
Oh goodie - 4 out of 14 (28% cancellation rate) not calling at Melksham on what's probably going to be the first really busy Sunday of the year. Just taken a look at the two morning cancellations and there's nothing helpful there about buses or taxis - just an offer to give you your money back ...

Re: Firstgroup's rail division trading 'ahead of expectations'
In "Across the West" [360709/30153/26]
Posted by a-driver at 08:57, 20th April 2025
 
I wonder how much of this "better than expected" financial performance for FirstGroup will be reflected in additional investment into GWR services?

Will customers see any improvements as a result?

No private company will invest when there’s no chance of recouping their investment.

And that won’t change when it goes back under public ownership.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360708/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:44, 20th April 2025
 

08:06 Warminster to Swindon due 09:02
08:06 Warminster to Swindon due 09:02 was terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.

09:08 Swindon to Westbury due 09:49
09:08 Swindon to Westbury due 09:49 will be cancelled.
This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.

Re: Firstgroup's rail division trading 'ahead of expectations'
In "Across the West" [360707/30153/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:32, 20th April 2025
 
I wonder how much of this "better than expected" financial performance for FirstGroup will be reflected in additional investment into GWR services?

Will customers see any improvements as a result?

(As opposed for example to "better than expected" returns for shareholders and senior managers?)

Re: Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the best journey
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [360706/30169/3]
Posted by grahame at 06:59, 20th April 2025
Already liked by froome, Mark A
 
Bristol temple meads has a minimum connection time of 10 mins according to national rail website.
Booking systems can not sell an itinerary less than this.

Yes, understood.  Why I raise this ...

a) The 14:00 Cardiff - Penzance, change into the Portsmouth train at Temple Meads, change into the Swindon train at Trowbridge WERE all running.  And with in excess of the minimum connection time. Why did the App not offer this?

b) The Interrail itinerary system does offer short transfers with a warning of short transfers - I have just pulled up an example of 8 minutes in Hamburg Hbf - with an easy way to avoid such changes and/or to replan along the way.  I am suggesting that this is a good example with the National Rail system could learn from.

Re: Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the best journey
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [360705/30169/3]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 05:40, 20th April 2025
 
Bristol temple meads has a minimum connection time of 10 mins according to national rail website.
Booking systems can not sell an itinerary less than this.

Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360704/30166/26]
Posted by grahame at 05:18, 20th April 2025
 
Correct so far:
0 - Bath Spa - Timmer
2 - Oldfield Park - PhilWakely
3 - Truro - old original
4 - Plym Bridge Platform - johnneyw
5 - Cattewater Branch - Chris from Nailsea and Cattewater Junction
7 - approacing Kingswear - GBM
10 - Southampton Central - Rob T
11 - Thornford - bradshaw

A couple of the others may be easy for some of you Janners here ...

Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the best journey
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [360703/30169/3]
Posted by grahame at 05:05, 20th April 2025
 
A day of fortuitous connections ...

From home on the 08:02, target destination Chepstow, change at Swindon and Newport and arrive there according to the planner at 10:15 but actual arrival 09:44 due to a quick switch between trains at Newport.

Home from Cardiff Central, where I arrived at about 13:45 to find ... recommended trains at 14:30 (Melksham 16:38) showing as cancelled on the GWR timetable and ticket App, with next service not until 16:23 with a Melksham arrival of 18:00.  Blow that for a lark ... I caught the 14:00 Penzance train, changed (9 minutes) at Bristol Temple Meads, changed Chippenham (5 minute) and arrived Melksham 15:39

The homeward offering from the App was especially disappointing.  It was the 14:30 from Cardiff that was cancelled as far as Bristol and I should have been offered the 14:00 Penzance train in its place, change at Bristol and Trowbridge and arrive Melksham 16:38. 

My outward gain of 30 minutes was pure luck - no reasonable way that the app should or could have offered it. The return offering was an abject failure.



* There is no point in cluttering the default screen with services that have already departed

* When a train is cancelled, the App should offer alternative which are still running and fits within the normal interchange criteria

* My 9 minutes from Platform 4 to Platform 13 at Bristol Temple Meads was a change from one extreme of the station to the other, but was still achieved with around 4 or 5 minutes to spare - I joined quite a flow of people headed out to the far side through the subway and it was far from a rush.  My incoming train WAS on time - indeed it has sat waiting time at Filton Abbey Wood - sufficient of a station dwell for the train manager to explain it in an announcement. I appreciate that this 9 minute connection would have been tight had I been reliant on passenger assistance, but that's the thorny question as to whether the app should only offer options that will work if that's needed.    I like the Interrail App here - which does give you "short transfer"s and suggests that you only use those options if you are sure of yourself.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [360702/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 04:33, 20th April 2025
 
11:41 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:53

11:41 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:53 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Bruton, Castle Cary, Yeovil Pen Mill, Thornford, Yetminster, Chetnole, Maiden Newton, Dorchester West, Upwey and Weymouth.
This is due to a shortage of train crew


18:11 Castle Cary to Swindon due 19:33

18:11 Castle Cary to Swindon due 19:33 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

19:43 Swindon to Westbury due 20:25

19:43 Swindon to Westbury due 20:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Stay-at-home Sunday for me then ... on an 8 out of 15 FOSW ticket and Sundays have the advantage of the early start being allowed, but I'me replanning for this to be a day of rest.   Yes, I know that evening round trip might get re-instated but there's no comfortable "Plan B" for Sunday evenings

[snip]

Damage already done - day planned and planned without a return to Melksham on those trains, comment made in public at https://www.passenger.chat/t30162.html and onto Facebook.

Re: FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
In "Fare's Fair" [360701/30127/4]
Posted by froome at 04:23, 20th April 2025
 
I don't know - but is a figure I was quoted when I raised a similar query a few years ago

But strangely, the tickets do work in a minority of barriers. When I have had FOSS tickets, I have found that each time at least a couple of different stations have had barriers which accepted them quite happily.

Eyesight rules for motorists unsafe, says coroner
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [360700/30168/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:50, 19th April 2025
Already liked by froome
 
From the BBC:

An inquest into the deaths of four people killed by drivers with failing eyesight has found enforcement of visual legal standards for motorists is "ineffective and unsafe".

HM Senior Coroner for Lancashire Dr James Adeley has sent a report to Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander to say action should be taken to prevent future deaths. He labelled the licensing system as the "laxest in Europe" as he pointed out the UK was one of only three countries to rely upon self-reporting of visual conditions affecting the ability to drive.

A source close to the transport secretary said the government accepted the rules "need to be reassessed". They added: "We are not ruling anything out regarding changes to eyesight requirements for driving. This will be considered along with wider efforts to improve safety as part of the government's road safety strategy."

It is thought the strategy could be published by the end of the year, after which ministers would consult on any proposed changes.

Dr Adeley said it was concerning that the UK was the only European country to issue licences without any visual checks for a continuous period up to the age of 70. He made the remarks at the inquests of Marie Cunningham, 79, Grace Foulds, 85, Peter Westwell, 80, and Anne Ferguson, 75, held earlier at Preston Coroner's Court.

Friends Mrs Cunningham and Mrs Foulds were struck by Glyn Jones, 68, in his Audi A3 as they crossed the road in Southport, Merseyside, on 30 November 2021. Jones was aware for some years before the collision that his sight was insufficient to meet the minimum requirement to drive a car but failed to declare it to the Driving and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA). When he was jailed for seven years and four months, his sentencing hearing was told he could not even see his steering wheel clearly.

Mr Westwell was hit by Neil Pemberton, 81, as he crossed the road in Langho, near Blackburn, on 17 March 2022. Pemberton, who was jailed for 32 months, had a long history of eye disease and was informed on several occasions by different clinicians that he should not drive, the inquest heard. He also repeatedly failed to declare his sight deficit on multiple licence applications to the DVLA.

Mrs Ferguson died when she was struck by a van driven by Vernon Law, 72, in Whitworth, Rochdale, on 11 July 2023. A month before Law was told he had cataracts in both eyes but he lied to an optometrist that he did not drive. Law, who was jailed for four years, knew he had problems with his eyes for years before the collision but his sight loss could easily have been corrected. Law also failed to declare his sight issues on multiple licence applications to the DVLA, the inquest at County Hall heard.

Following the inquests, the family of Mrs Cunningham said: "Our mum, and her friend, were killed by the selfish, reckless actions of Glyn Jones. His decision to put his own convenience before the law, before ethics, before human lives, cost our family everything. This tragedy was not inevitable. It was entirely avoidable. And we are left grappling with the painful truth that if this man had acted responsibly our mum would still be with us."

Terry Wilcox, of Hudgell Solicitors, representing the families of Mrs Cunningham, Mrs Foulds and Mr Westwell, said loop holes that are available for drivers who want to evade reporting on their eyesight are "jaw-dropping". He said: "People ignore what they are told when it doesn't suit their lifestyle, and in reality there is nothing in place to stop selfish people putting others at risk by getting back behind the wheel. We presently have a system under which the DVLA relies upon drivers to self-report, hand over their licence and stop driving when they've been told by a qualified healthcare professional that their eyesight is not to the required standard. This inquest has shown that simply doesn't happen."

Dr Adeley said: "The four fatalities shared the same feature that the driver's sight was well below the standard required to drive a car. The current system for 'ensuring' drivers meet the visual legal standards is ineffective, unsafe and unfit to meet the needs of society as evidenced by the deaths of Marie Cunningham, Grace Foulds, Anne Ferguson and Peter Westwell where the DVLA continued to provide licences to drivers who had failed to meet the legal sight requirements."

The Department for Transport said it would consider the coroner's report once received. A spokesperson added: "The NHS recommends adults should have their eyes tested every two years and drivers are legally required to inform the DVLA if they have a condition which affects their eyesight. We are committed to improving road safety and continue to explore ways to achieve this."

Rob Heard, chairman of the Older Drivers' Forum, warned that more people would die if changes were not made soon. He called for it to be made compulsory for opticians and GPs to check a person's eyesight once they turn 70, and inform the DVLA via an online system without the "worry of breaching patient confidentiality". "A car is a lethal weapon and we need to be fully in control and safe on the roads to be able to control it," he said.

Mr Wilcox said there is currently no infrastructure for IT which would allow a sight test to be uploaded to the DVLA. "You can be told the car is unsafe but a driver is never told they are unsafe and the DVLA aren't informed - the driver is unsafe," he said. "Drivers are the solution and yet we don't appear to have anything in place to solve the problem."



Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360699/30166/26]
Posted by PhilWakely at 22:28, 19th April 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
2. Oldfield Park

RNLI station celebrates 10 years of saving lives - Portishead, April 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [360698/30167/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:57, 19th April 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, chuffed
 
From the BBC:



A lifeboat station is marking its 10-year anniversary – and hundreds of successful operations.

Volunteers at the Royal National Lifeboat Institution station in Portishead, North Somerset, have been called out 396 times since it opened in 2015. They have so far assisted 347 people, saving 14 lives and rescuing 17 dogs.

The station serves the Bristol Channel, which has the second highest tidal range in the world, making conditions hazardous for volunteers. Tom Mansell, regional operations lead, said: "I am extremely grateful for the dedication and professionalism they show on a daily basis."

The RNLI station was preceded by the Portishead Lifeboat Trust, which operated from Sugar Loaf Beach as an independent rescue service for nearly 20 years.

The trust's station was an old shipping container, with basic facilities, which belonged to the Portishead Yacht and Sailing Club.



In 2012, it was agreed that a new location would be secured and the RNLI would then take over operations. The new station was declared operational on 24 April 2015.



Ian Lazenby, a volunteer helm, said witnessing the transition was "really exciting". He said the former facility was "damp and mouldy" but the new station was much improved, with toilets, kettles, seats and central heating.

The RNLI takeover also resulted in additional funding for the station, better equipment and more efficient operations.

A celebration to mark the 10-year anniversary will be held on 18 May to coincide with an open day at the station. The day will include demonstrations and a boat launch, with other local emergency services joining in.

"You get a lot from the teamwork, you get a lot from the training, but genuinely for me – in the 20 years I've been doing it – it's the satisfaction of knowing if somebody's in trouble, we'll go and help them," Mr Lazenby said.  "Anything you do when you're helping others is hugely satisfying; to be able to do that is a real privilege."


Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360697/30166/26]
Posted by RobT at 19:26, 19th April 2025
 
10. Southampton Central

Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360696/30166/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:06, 19th April 2025
 
No, I couldn't identify any 'Tauntons' in that original post.  Mind you, that doesn't mean much, with my own appalling record of failing to spot any Taunton pictures. 

Nevertheless, picture 6 is rather scary. 


Re: Across the South West over Easter - trains in pictures
In "Across the West" [360695/30166/26]
Posted by grahame at 18:46, 19th April 2025
 
OK, if no-one else has done it - I'll nominate no. 6 as the Melksham one - and let someone else pick the Taunton one (if it's there!).

This, sorry, is not a traditional quiz.  Neither Taunton nor Melksham is present ....

Re: Too young to travel on that ticket?
In "Fare's Fair" [360694/30155/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:29, 19th April 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Inspector wrong to say baby wasn't child - mayor

The mayor of Greater Manchester has apologised to a mother who was threatened with a fine over a family tram ticket because her baby and toddler were considered "too young" to be classed as children.

Cassie from Droylsden in Tameside said she was shocked when a ticket inspector said her £7.10 off-peak family day travel card was invalid because under-fives travel for free, and did not count as children.

Andy Burnham told BBC Radio Manchester the mother-of-two had "done everything right", adding he was "sorry this was your experience".  He said Transport for Greater Manchester (TFGM) had since clarified the inspector had wrongly interpreted the rules.

Family tram tickets can be used by a group of one to three children accompanied by one or two adults travelling together, and there is no minimum age requirement for the children.

Cassie had been travelling with her husband and two children, both under five, to a church service in Manchester city centre on the Metrolink tram service.

The inspector told the couple they should have each purchased a £4.30 adult day ticket instead.

TFGM previously said that all inspectors have been made aware that there is no minimum age for children travelling on a family ticket.

Burnham said he was sure the transport operator would be "making things right" for Cassie.  He said: "To be fair to our inspectors out there, I've thrown a lot of change at our system in a short space of time, and you know there will be bits and bobs of things that need to be fixed. And the point of having control of the Bee Network is when people do raise things we'll look at them honestly and fix them as quick as we can."



 
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