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Re: Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373620/31789/4]
Posted by Mark A at 08:09, 26th March 2026
 
Apologies, I should have provided one. The info is in a javascript window though, so, no link, and people need to call up the SWR ticket selling page, search for a journey. Once you have a ticket displayed, use the llnk to display the pop up window with information about that ticket. I can't recall the type of ticket that produces that particular paragraph - perhaps they all do. As an aside, that site isn't keen on selling return tickets (and often it's not keen to sell a bog standard open single, whether peak, off peak or that other sort of SWR off peak ticket - I no longer have sufficient head round SWR ticketing in order to understand/explain it.)

Mark

Re: TransWilts Anniversary - formed 14 years ago - 26th March 2010
In "TransWilts line" [373618/28595/18]
Posted by grahame at 04:52, 26th March 2026
 
Are there any campaigns to get extra stations opened on this line?

I don't know the exact location of the old Holt station, but there should be a little local demand there, and The Courts at Holt would benefit from more people arriving in a sustainable manner.

I don't know if there was ever a station at Lacock (I haven't investigated that one, but would assume there was) but obviously that attracts many tourists, and for cyclists it would open up some wonderful quiet cycling country. I am aware the line is a little way away from the village (three quarters of a mile?) and involves crossing a main road, but the crossing there already needs a safe crossing place for cyclists. (It is quite a while since I cycled that way, so things may have changed since I last did).


Only taken me a year to answer 

The old Holt station was about half a mile from the village - down Station Road through fields, and I would characterise it more as a junction than village station.





Lacock Halt was on the road to Corsham - perhaps half a mile from the historic village.  However, Lacock is not just the historic village, and there was housing development I would put at between 60 and 90 years ago occupying much of one quadrant of the cross formed by the crossing of the railway and the road. A second quadrant is industrial - Stonegate eggs have a substantial workforce, some of which arrives on their private buses from Swindon and from Chippenham Station.   The other two quadrants are open fields.



With the requirements for substantial housing development, I would suggest that both old station sites would be reopening for development opportunities.  Holt was asked about a decade or more ago by the parish council and I did a few sums for them - a station would have been feasible in principle if the fields between the village and the railway were built on, but they did not take that any further when aware of the level at which village expansion would have been sought.  Lacock has come up more recently in the Bath and Wiltshire Metro idea, and with the main A350 running between the station site and the historic village, it would appear to be a sensible place to examine for housing development, especially with a 30 or 20 minute service along the line.

The Courts and Lacock village could both benefit visitor-wise from the stations, but numbers are probably such that they would be a relatively small element in the business case.

Wiltshire has not been forward-looking to fruition on new and re-opened stations.  The most recent brand new station was Dilton Marsh in 1937, and just one re-opening which was Melksham in 1985. Many other schemes and ideas over the years, but as yet none has happened, in marked contrast to Devon, Bristol, etc ... on the line from Swindon to Westbury alone, ideas have also come up for Royal Wootton Bassett, Christian Malford, Thingley Junction for Corsham, Staverton or Staverton Junction, and White Horse Business Park.  Some of these make sense already and some may make sense with growth.  Beanacre and Broughton Gifford halts have not, to my knowledge, formed part of any re-opening suggestions.




Re: Aberthaw Power Station and Decarbonisation
In "Across the West" [373617/22573/26]
Posted by infoman at 04:34, 26th March 2026
 
Lots of new build houses are built with the front door facing the main road,why?

Houses should be built, to face reasonable south,to take advantage of the very limit amount of sunshine we get in the U.K.

I have lived in a house where it had a south facing front room.

It was like a cooker during the summer months,but very pleasant during the winter months.

Moral of the reply its easier to try and reduce the heat in a room than it is to warm up a cold room   

Re: Transpennine Express train from Manchester to Glasgow hits fallen tree on track
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373616/31790/51]
Posted by grahame at 04:09, 26th March 2026
 
Similar happened today closer to home.

Train hit a tree near Avoncliff and a passenger needed to be conveyed to hospital by ambulance.

At least one southbound Cardiff - Portsmouth train was diverted via Chippenham (reverse) and through Melksham and there were copious delays and cancellations on the main line, with passengers from Westbury encouraged on the 16:23 Westbury to Swindon to change at Chippenham for Bath and Bristol. And the incoming train (the 15:15 from Swindon) had arrived - on time - full and standing.

Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373615/31788/26]
Posted by grahame at 04:01, 26th March 2026
 
The Geoff Marshall map was especially useful - thank you.  I have come up with the following 23:

86996   LYC   Lympstone Commando
54078   UMB   Umberleigh
31072   LEL   Lelant
25276   EXN   Exton
21854   MRD   Morchard Road
21580   DMH   Dilton Marsh   
19860   YEO   Yeoford
15102   DOC   Dockyard
8488   LAP   Lapford
7648   NTC   Newton St Cryes
7090   YET   Yetminster
6528   BGL   Bugle
6498   KGN   Kings Nympton
5230   ROC   Roche
3542   SCR   St Columb Road
3196   LUX   Luxulyan
2642   CNO   Chetnole
2468   THO   Thornford
2108   CAU   Causeland
1586   SKN   St Keyne Wishing Well Halt
966   SDP   Sandplace
596   PMA   Portsmouth Arms
160   CPN   Chapleton

Agreed about the 2 which are sometimes-request, and I can add (according to sources) Dockyard to that - IET operated services always call if shown in the timetable, but others only on request.  Only Dockyard and Dilton Marsh are on what I would describe as "main lines" ... I was at Dilton Marsh yesterday and look what came through at 15:33 - the exact time that the potentially-stopping train called.  None of the seven of us on the platform tried to flag it down. 



As well as the joiners, between 15 and 20 got off - school traffic from Warminster.  I then got on with the others waiting and we set off. No ticket check.  We stopped at the signal (awaiting a platform?) just prior to Westbury for a couple of minutes and move on and into platform 1 just after an SWR service headed south passed us.

Re: Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373614/31789/4]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 23:14, 25th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I Googled a key phrase.  SWR are simply quoting from the NRE list of changes for each ticket type on for example https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ticket-types/tickets/sdr/ (you need to expand the Refunds and Charges block).  It should therefore be authoritative, albeit a little vague ("should be made" and "in most cases" are unhelpfully imprecise) and certainly doesn't cover a change of plan after starting a journey but while still within the coverage of the original ticket.  Can you pay for the extra bit on-train if a suitable member of staff is available?

Incidentally, the NRE website continues to be an absolute mess.  I can't work out how to reach that page via a menu, and if you do instead drill down the menu layers from the front page you reach similar but even less detailed pages also mentioning the changes, so there are multiple sources to maintain.  I'm amused also to see old ticket type names still in use behind the scenes; replace "SDR" in the link with "CDR" for instance and you get a page about Off-peak Day tickets.  (Now I'm down a real rabbit-hole; SVR also took me where I expected it to, as did SDS, SOS and others)

Re: RAF Lancaster bombers - merged posts
In "The Lighter Side" [373613/14381/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:13, 25th March 2026
 
An update, relating to the inventor of the 'bouncing bomb', Sir Barnes Wallis, from the BBC:

Bouncing bomb inventor's items sold at auction in Horsham


Sir Barnes Wallis developed the bouncing bomb using marbles in a water tub

A collection of personal items belonging to the inventor of the bouncing bomb have been sold at auction.

The objects, which included marbles used in early experiments for the bomb by engineer Sir Barnes Wallis, who lived in Leatherhead, Surrey, went under the hammer at Denhams in West Sussex. The marbles had been given an estimate of £20,000 to £30,000 but did not meet the reserve price and were not sold, the auctioneers said.

A pair of black and white aerial photographs linked to the 1943 "Dam Busters" raid sold for £17,500. One of the top-selling items was an oil painting by Alfred Egerton Cooper – Sir Barnes's best man – which sold for £14,500.

Bouncing bomb material included Sir Barnes's CBE neck badge awarded in 1943, which sold for £8,000, and a replica catapult which went for £3,400.

Leo Denham, managing director of Denhams, said that the firm was "honoured" to be trusted by the family in selling a historically significant collection.

Several objects were donated to the RAF Museum, which is based in London and the Midlands.

Dr Harry Raffal, head of collections and research at the museum, said: "Throughout the process, the family were keen to ensure that the legacy of Sir Barnes Wallis would remain an important part of the RAF Museum's national collection. Today, our visitors can visit the RAF Museum to discover more about Sir Barnes Wallis' pioneering work and explore how he helped the RAF bring about victory in the Second World War".


The marbles from Sir Barnes Wallis's early experiments did not meet their reserve price

Before the auction, Wallis' daughter, Elisabeth Gaunt, said that she hoped buyers would remember her father as "tender, spiritual and sensitive beyond all belief", adding he was "not a war-like man".

The inventor tested his bombs at RAF Manston, near Ramsgate in Kent, before they were used in Operation Chastise, destroying German dams in the Ruhr valley in May 1943.

Operation Chastise and Wallis' bouncing bombs were immortalised in the 1955 film The Dambusters.

Wallis, who died in 1979, famously developed the bouncing bomb using marbles in a water tub in the garden of White Hill House in Effingham, in Surrey.


Re: Transpennine Express train from Manchester to Glasgow hits fallen tree on track
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373612/31790/51]
Posted by bobm at 20:26, 25th March 2026
 
Similar happened today closer to home.

Train hit a tree near Avoncliff and a passenger needed to be conveyed to hospital by ambulance.

Dogs became man's best friend far earlier than thought, scientists find
In "Introductions and chat" [373611/31791/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:36, 25th March 2026
 
From the BBC:

Dogs became man's best friend far earlier than thought, scientists find


It may not be much to look at but this battered fragment of 9cm bone has transformed the story of dogs and humans

A fragment of a jawbone found deep underground in a cave in Somerset has rewritten the story of when and how dogs became our best friends.

DNA analysis shows the jaw belonged to one of the earliest known domesticated dogs and that people lived closely with them in Britain 15,000 years ago, thousands of years before farm animals were domesticated or cats padded into our homes.

The discovery pushes back the time that the first dogs evolved from their wolf ancestors by around 5,000 years. It also suggests that the friendship between the very first dogs and stone age humans was there almost from the very start, according to Dr William Marsh of the Natural History Museum.

"It shows that by 15,000 years ago dogs and humans already had an incredibly tight, close relationship – and this tiny jawbone, which seems like such a small thing, has helped to unlock the whole human story of how that partnership began."

The first dogs were descendants of grey wolves that lingered around human camps at the end of the Ice Age, scavenging leftovers and slowly becoming tamer.

Over time, people started using these animals to help with hunting, guarding and tracking, turning them into working partners rather than wild predators. After hundreds of generations of human breeding, the dogs that emerged had shorter muzzles, smaller teeth and an enormous range of sizes, from lapdogs to hulking guardians.

Marsh made the discovery by accident during his PhD project. The jawbone was found in excavations from the 1920s in Gough's cave in Cheddar Gorge, now famous for storing its famous cheese.

It had been tucked away in a museum drawer for decades as it was thought to have been an unremarkable specimen. But the young researcher came across an obscure research paper published ten years earlier that raised the possibility it might have belonged to a dog.

Marsh carried out a genetic analysis of the jawbone and found to his shock and delight that it was indeed from a dog, making it the first unambiguous evidence that dogs existed thousands of years earlier than previously confirmed.

Scarcely believing the test results, Marsh told his friend and scientific collaborator Dr Lachie Scarsbrook, from the University of Oxford and LMU Munich, who takes up the story.

"William tells me: 'I found dog from the early stone age,' and I'm like, 'No you haven't — every other dog has been a wolf,' but he's super confident of it. He then shows us his results, and we're like, '(Gosh), this guy might have actually found a dog that far back in time."

Scarsbrook's actual language was more colourful than we can publish, because he knew just how important his friend's big breakthrough could prove.


The dog lived with humans in this Somerset cave 15,000 years ago

With the jawbone from Gough's cave now confidently identified as being from a dog, this allowed its genetic signature to be used to test specimens of a similar age from across western Europe and central Anatolia in modern Turkey, the large Asian peninsula that makes up most of the country. They all turned out to be dogs.

"We've spent years trying to make sense of ancient samples whose DNA sits between wolves and dogs," Scarsbrook told me. "Everything sat in no man's land because we simply couldn't tell where dogs truly began. Then this little jawbone turns up and it is the key to then identifying other ancient dogs all across Europe that had just been sitting under our noses this whole time," he told BBC News.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Melksham to Bristol - the commute by train
In "TransWilts line" [373610/31787/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:22, 25th March 2026
 
Why can't the train leave Paddington at 06.30 rather than 06.28, as it used to? It would keep it in the timing people expect Temple Meads trains to run, on the hour and half hour, and would at least make a change at Chippenham slightly more reliable.

There's a new 06:30 - Paddington to Cheltenham Spa - which replaced the Swindon to Cheltenham Spa previously run.    That's a first (immediate) answer; I have not played with swapping the trains around or any other changes - on thin ice with my knowledge on that, and the more changes proposed the less likely we are to get 'em even looked at.

Re: Melksham to Bristol - the commute by train
In "TransWilts line" [373609/31787/18]
Posted by froome at 19:15, 25th March 2026
 
Why can't the train leave Paddington at 06.30 rather than 06.28, as it used to? It would keep it in the timing people expect Temple Meads trains to run, on the hour and half hour, and would at least make a change at Chippenham slightly more reliable.

Transpennine Express train from Manchester to Glasgow hits fallen tree on track
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [373608/31790/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:06, 25th March 2026
 
From the BBC:

'I just heard this thump as our train hit a tree'


Jim Fleming praised the actions of the "outstanding" conductor after the collision

A rail passenger has told of the moment the train he was travelling on hit a large tree that had been brought down by a storm.

Jim Fleming was travelling on the Transpennine Express service from Manchester to Glasgow when it was brought to a standstill at Lostock on the outskirts of Bolton.

Network Rail said strong winds had brought "several trees down overnight causing damage to overhead lines" in the Lostock area.

Fleming, of Bolton, told the BBC: "I just heard this thump and then this scraping and dragging noise and I actually thought the train had derailed." The 51-year-old data consultant added: "It came to a sudden halt. I was in the very first carriage and that was the carriage that got hit."

Fleming was on the first train of the day, which had left just before 05:00 GMT and said, thankfully, the train driver had slowed down before he hit the tree at about 05:30 GMT. He said: "In less than a minute he saw the tree but it was too late."



The passengers were moved to first class before everyone was escorted off the train by the fire service. The passengers were later driven to Preston, Lancashire.

Fleming praised the train conductor who was "absolutely tremendous".

"He was so cheery, he was going up and down the carriage making sure everybody was fine."


Re: Where have all the cheap "Advanced Fares" gone?
In "Fare's Fair" [373607/31786/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:03, 25th March 2026
 
I don't (yet) see many empty seats on any of those operators mentioned - bearing out Graham's quoted text

Re: Refund Rules for walk-up tickets are changing from April 1st
In "Fare's Fair" [373606/31662/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:59, 25th March 2026
 
As they have to give 30 days notice, I suspect there aren't further changes.

I haven't yet seen a new full set anywhere either.

I'm still trying to find Mark A's quote on the SWT website as I don't believe it is part of NRCoT

Re: Refund Rules for walk-up tickets are changing from April 1st
In "Fare's Fair" [373605/31662/4]
Posted by grahame at 18:55, 25th March 2026
 
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/help-and-assistance/compensation-and-refunds/refunds-change/

Thank you.   Yes, that tells us about the conditions on ticket refunds.    It does not tell us if there are any other changes coming up ... I was looking for a complete new set.

Re: Refund Rules for walk-up tickets are changing from April 1st
In "Fare's Fair" [373604/31662/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:45, 25th March 2026
 
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/help-and-assistance/compensation-and-refunds/refunds-change/

Re: Refund Rules for walk-up tickets are changing from April 1st
In "Fare's Fair" [373603/31662/4]
Posted by grahame at 18:21, 25th March 2026
 
Various talks of changes to conditions of travel, on this thread and others, and yet the National Rail website where I would expect to find the definitive version - at https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/NRCOT/ includes only the current and previous version.

I will be travelling next week. Where can I read the conditions that will apply to me?

Re: St Ives Station - GWR unveils statue of mythical Mermaid of Zennor
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [373602/31782/25]
Posted by Andy at 17:04, 25th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Lovely idea...but what a hideous statute.  More Fraggle Rock than Mermaid of Zennor.

Thank God it's only temporary.



Re: Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373601/31789/4]
Posted by Trowres at 16:11, 25th March 2026
 
The quote below ...
Mark

Hello Mark. Would you be able to provide a link to the web page that you quoted?

Thanks...


Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373600/31788/26]
Posted by BBM at 16:06, 25th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Geoff Marshall (of YouTube fame) has produced a PDF map dated September 2025 showing all of the request stops on the National Rail network, hope it helps with finding GWR ones:

https://www.geofftech.co.uk/downloads/RequestStops.pdf

(The orange box in the top right shows some exceptions to the rules)

Re: Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373599/31789/4]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 15:59, 25th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
How does this compare with the ticketting provisions of the National Rail Conditions of Travel, and if not, which is authoritative?

Re: Melksham to Bristol - the commute by train
In "TransWilts line" [373598/31787/18]
Posted by matth1j at 15:47, 25th March 2026
 
As Melksham-Bristol is my 3 day a week commute, good luck

I've mentioned previously that I changed from catching the 07:21 (via Chippenham) to the 06:29 (via Trowbridge) due to the relatively low probability of making the connection at Chippenham. Not being able to claim a refund if I missed it didn't help. Changing route has made the journey less stressful, but getting up at 5 isn't great...

Also the 2 carriage Trowbridge-Bristol train tends to be quite busy (especially this morning for some reason - quite a few people forced to stand from Keynsham). I don't remember ever having to sit next to someone on the Chippenham-Bristol service, meaning I could get my laptop out if so inclined; that's not usually an option on the Trowbridge-Bristol. However, the Avon valley scenery is nice

On balance, yes - if you were able to make an early morning Melksham-Chippenham-Bristol commute viable, I would be very grateful

BTW regarding the trip back - if I miss the 17:50 Chippenham-Melksham, the next one is at 19:00 - obviously not ideal but closer to one hour delay than 2. And in my experience the Chippenham station staff will try to arrange taxis if the service has been cancelled, although that takes time - the 19:00 might end up being the best option.

Re: Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373597/31788/26]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 15:47, 25th March 2026
 
I can give you two "old GWR" stations where some trains stop by request and others always stop: Bearley and Claverdon. Chiltern services always stop, West Midlands services are by request.

(Was 2004 the last time these stations were served by Great Western services, as part of First Great Western Link?)

Changes to rail tickets.
In "Fare's Fair" [373596/31789/4]
Posted by Mark A at 14:28, 25th March 2026
 
The quote below is from the South Western Railways ticket selling site. Does the paragraph indicate that some circumstances that were formerly able to be addressed by the train manager now need to be sorted by either ticket office staff or the online ticket selling site that sold the original ticket?

Mark

Changes:

A ticket will need to be changed in order to travel to a destination further than where it was purchased to, change the route of the ticket, change the class of travel from Standard Class to First Class, or change the date of travel.Changes to tickets purchased online should be made by the retailer from which the ticket was bought. Staffed station ticket offices can also make changes in most cases, provided that this is done before the start of the journey.NOTE: A change to the date of travel can only be made BEFORE the date on which the ticket becomes valid for travel. Other alterations such as changes to the route or class of travel will be subject to a suitable alternative Anytime product being available. In some cases, it may be cheaper to purchase a new ticket.

Re: Where have all the cheap "Advanced Fares" gone?
In "Fare's Fair" [373595/31786/4]
Posted by Mark A at 13:37, 25th March 2026
 

4. It has been noted that people may complain at the higher pricing, but they will pay.

That's an observation that merits being up for discussion. It's a bit of a problem if people will pay once and then decide, in future, to walk away from public transport. It would be informative to look to experiences with the likes of LNER though: their fares mechanism is somewhat different to many others. LNER would perhaps need to be considered in conjunction with LUMO. Or... Crosscountry: costly and capacity constrained.

Mark

Re: Where have all the cheap "Advanced Fares" gone?
In "Fare's Fair" [373594/31786/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 12:49, 25th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I suspect that this will have a more dramatic impact on leisure than business customers, and will probably encourage more of the former to get in their car rather than fork out more for a rail fare.

What the overall impact on income will be is anyone's guess, but it certainly suggests that in the newly nationalised railway world the concept of "value for money" will be in the context of the Government rather than the customer.

Re: Aberthaw Power Station and Decarbonisation
In "Across the West" [373593/22573/26]
Posted by broadgage at 12:16, 25th March 2026
 
In the latest green initiative, HMG have proposed that all new homes built in the near future must incorporate heat pumps, and have  no connection to the gas network.
I expect considerable opposition to this policy. mainly due to running costs, with electricity at 25 pence a unit, the heat will cost about 8 pence up to 12 pence a unit. Gas would be cheaper.
Also there is no point whilst we are still burning gas for electricity production. Gas is burnt in a power station about 33%.
1OO units of gas= about 33 units of electricity. 33 units of electricity used in a heat pump will produce AT BEST 100 units of heat, 70 units of heat is arguably more realistic. And you have to build the gas power station and all the heat pumps in addition.

Request stops - GWR list
In "Across the West" [373592/31788/26]
Posted by grahame at 12:06, 25th March 2026
 
Is there a full list anywhere of all the request stops that GWR operate, and serve?   Are there any at which only some trains are "by request" and some always stop?

Re: GWR Growing places report March 2026
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [373591/31780/40]
Posted by CyclingSid at 11:29, 25th March 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Don't know if the following is of relevance of general interest
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