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Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369169/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 08:41, 9th December 2025
 
Is this a glitch? As well as the 1900 Salisbury service from Chippenham, National Rail are also showing one at 1910, albeit cancelled:



National Rail link: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/journey-planner/?type=single&origin=CPM&destination=MKM&leavingType=departing&leavingDate=091225&leavingHour=17&leavingMin=45&adults=1&extraTime=0#O

Re: SWR improvements under GBR
In "South Western services" [369168/31227/42]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:33, 9th December 2025
 
DfT has listed some improvements for nationalised operators under GBR as part of its livery launch

South Western Railway
In public ownership, South Western Railway are:
Modernising and improving their West of England Fleet, .....improving performance and reliability of the trains while delivering customer benefits such as interior upgrades and at-seat USB power. .....Building a new timetable for the first time in 20 years.....Investing over £600 million in improving infrastructure performance.....with projects such as West of England line resilience works.....

https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers

All the current Class 159 trains have been in service since, at the latest, 1993. At a minimum of 32 years old and, surely approaching retirement, would new (multi-modal?) rolling stock not be a better option?

I wonder if one of the customer benefits being delivered would include the possibility of getting a cup of tea, etc. via a reinstated trolley service. 

The current timetable is seemingly the best that can be provided with the existing infrastructure; between Salisbury & Pinhoe even a minor delay can cause the overall service to collapse (recently a Waterloo-bound train was held at PIN for 40 minutes waiting for a late westbound service). Do the 'West of England line resilience works' include any actual infrastructure improvements? As a bare minimum I think the Tisbury loop should be moved to the station and the second platforms at Templecombe & Crewkerne reinstated.
 

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369167/31229/30]
Posted by Fourbee at 08:31, 9th December 2025
 
Walham Green on the District Line is now Fulham Broadway. The old ticket hall has been repurposed: https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/pubs/walham-green-fulham/

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369166/29726/18]
Posted by Timmer at 08:28, 9th December 2025
 
This morning looks interesting.   There are three services into one - with Castle Cary to Taunton closed for engineering, with Swindon to Parkway closed for flooding, three major main lines are all being funnelled through Chippenham and Bath.  If the 17:35 off Chippenham is held back / misses its path, it may be a bit of a wait for the next path, whether or not it's actually had to wait for passengers off the train from London, and irrespective of whether there's some diverted express running in its path so it has to be held back anyway.
To help the situation of all trains having to travel via Bath, GWR have cancelled all the hourly Cardiff to Paddington services and one of the two half hourly Bristol to London services.

Might be interesting at Bath today with the Christmas market on, though I suspect the poor weather may put some people off.

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369165/31226/49]
Posted by grahame at 08:24, 9th December 2025
 
Maybe contact the S-R-S and see if they are happy to supply you free of charge a high definition file. It is a not-for-profit civic project that Lisa has in mind and, it gives them good publicity.

Section 21 of Cooke’s survey covers Wiltshire. Melksham p23 and 24

I have attached copies of Melksham.

Let me know if you need anything else ... [snip]

Thank you ... and thank you ... passing those on to Lisa and will come back in due course with a follow up / outcome.  Please do not expect that follow up with the lightning speed of your answers on the forum - it's quiet a project she's putting together!

Re: SWR improvements under GBR
In "South Western services" [369164/31227/42]
Posted by a-driver at 08:18, 9th December 2025
 
DfT has listed some improvements for nationalised operators under GBR as part of its livery launch

South Western Railway

In public ownership, South Western Railway are:

Modernising and improving their West of England Fleet, with a programme beginning in December 2025 (to be completed during 2028). This will overhaul the 15X fleet serving the West of England, improving performance and reliability of the trains while delivering customer benefits such as interior upgrades and at-seat USB power.

Delivering the new Arterio fleet to transform their suburban network, with over 50% of morning high peak arrivals into Waterloo now on Arterio trains. These provide increased capacity and more comfort for passengers. SWR are aiming for most Arterios to be introduced by the end of Summer 2026 (75% of total schedules).

Building a new timetable for the first time in 20 years, by consulting with stakeholders and passengers, with design in early 2026 and a full public consultation in Autumn 2026. The timetable transformation will seek to strike the right balance between enhanced connectivity in their communities, more services and capacity, better train performance on the network and increased economic value for the taxpayer.

Investing over £600 million in improving infrastructure performance to reduce delays and cancellations, complete by March 2027. This includes track and signal renewals, level crossing upgrades, and renewal of associated infrastructure, with projects such as West of England line resilience works, London Waterloo-Clapham Junction upgrades, Island Line improvements, and strengthening the railway at Fareham-Havant and Portsmouth Harbour.

Recruiting more drivers to improve reliability and reduce cancellations, with an increase in the numbers of drivers in active service each year, and increase the number of new drivers in training by 50%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers



That's it!

Modernising the 15x fleet was due anyway, it's a necessity rather then choice.

Building a timetable.  Standard twice yearly stuff

Infrastructure, again that's necessity rather than choice when something becomes life expired.

Delivering the new Arterio fleet, did that not commence prior to nationalisation?

Recruiting more drivers.  No real numbers given so, 1 is an increase! 

It's not setting the bar high for the new GBR.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369163/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 08:12, 9th December 2025
 
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 is being delayed at Swindon.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.
While waiting for that at Chippenham (due 17:50) an empty IET passed through heading west at full tilt. I thought it might have been the reason for the delay, but the 17:35 was still parked at Swindon for a while after that.

I don't think too many 17:35 passengers decided to give up and make alternative arrangements when the announcement was made (more than once) that the fastest way to Melksham and beyond was going to be the 19:00 Salisbury service...

The announcement system is incorrect and confusing.  If a train misses a calling or departure point by more than a couple of minutes, an assumption is made that it's not running - the station displays say "delayed" which is correct but so vague it is not helpful, and the announcements chime in with telling you about the next train even if it's an hour or more away.   And that's even if the train can be seen on various feeds waiting for ... a late running connection, or a path over a busy line, and human and knowledgeable logic suggests that the train will turn up.

At Chippenham if the 17:50 does not "show", the next alternative is the 19:00 to Salisbury from the same platform anyway. The last bus to Melksham and Trowbridge left quarter of an hour ago, by the time a rail replacement bus is arranged it would be even later than the 19:09 into Melksham.

This morning looks interesting.   There are three services into one - with Castle Cary to Taunton closed for engineering, with Swindon to Parkway closed for flooding, three major main lines are all being funnelled through Chippenham and Bath.  If the 17:35 off Chippenham is held back / misses its path, it may be a bit of a wait for the next path, whether or not it's actually had to wait for passengers off the train from London, and irrespective of whether there's some diverted express running in its path so it has to be held back anyway.

Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369162/31229/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 08:04, 9th December 2025
 
Charing Cross on the District line is now calked Embankment. Renamed in 1976 so that the merged Strand and Trafalgar Square stations could be called Charing Cross.

Re: Only Connect - Lion Wall - AQ 8.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369161/31224/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:58, 9th December 2025
 
"Only Connect" walls make for a poor quiz on a forum such as the Coffee Shop.   They are fun to watch on TV or to play on your laptop ... but here, they encourage follow ups in which members make connections which are good and valid, but do not fit into the grid.  My apologies for putting up something which encouraged guesses that turned out to be  the wrong ones , and my thanks and admiration for the brave souls who hazarded a guess.

The base data I had for the Lion wall was

Next station is "saint"
Severn Beach
Hayle
Carbis Bay
Corkickle

Proposed for closure by Beeching but still with us
Lelant
Sandplace
Llanbister Road
Ainsdale

Camping Coaches
Blue Anchor
St Germans
Dawlish Warren
Ravenglass

Stations where trains reverse midjourney
Bere Alston
Coombe Junction
Battersby
Bodmin General

I will - intentionally - waste the water wall.  Post and answer.
AlloaAshingtonBrightonChippenham
DerbyKings CrossLevenMelksham
North BerwickOkehamptonPlymouthSwindon
TrowbridgeTweedbankWestburyYork

Stations with rail building works
York
Derby
Swindon
Brighton

Stations on TransWilts
Chippenham
Melksham
Trowbridge
Westbury

Stations with trains to Edinburgh
Plymouth
Kings Cross
Tweedbank
North Berwick

Terminal Stations reopened
Okehampton
Leven
Alloa
Ashington

All of which goes to show that for almost any idea / feature, there is a precedent / it's done or been done elsewhere


Re: AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369160/31229/30]
Posted by ellendune at 07:55, 9th December 2025
 
Jubilee line, taking the Bakerloo branch from Wembley Park and extending it through initially to central London via Oxford Circus and later through Waterloo and onwards into south east London.

AQ9 - What has changed?
In "The Lighter Side" [369159/31229/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:48, 9th December 2025
 
Here's an old London tube map ... although we use trains and tubes on a daily repeated basis and rely on them being the same from day to day, week to week, over time they change.    Station names change. Stations are added and removed. Lines and connections are added and removed.  What can you spot?


Re: Greatest Gathering 200th celebration - Alstom, Derby, 1 - 3 August 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369158/29210/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 07:42, 9th December 2025
Already liked by eightonedee
 
From the BBC:

The Greatest Gathering raised £100,000 for charity


All profits from The Greatest Gathering have been split between five charities and more than 50 railway heritage organisations

More than £100,000 has been donated to charity off the back of a national railway event in Derby.

The Greatest Gathering was hosted at manufacturer Alstom's base in the city to mark the 200th anniversary of the world's first passenger train service.

Described by its organisers as "the world's largest-ever collection of historic and modern rolling stock", more than 40,000 railway enthusiasts descended on Derby over the three-day event in August.

Alstom also announced the addition of an artwork commemorating the event, which was unveiled by music producer and train fan Pete Waterman on Monday.


Pete Waterman OBE was at the event on Monday to unveil the artwork of The Greatest Gathering

The money raised will be split between five chosen charities – Alzheimer's Research UK, Railway Benefit Fund, Railway Children, Railway Mission and Transport Benevolent Fund CIO – as well as more than 50 railway heritage organisations that took part in the Greatest Gathering event.

Andy Butters, managing director at Derby Litchurch Lane Works for Alstom, said: "Opening our Litchurch Lane Works to the public for the first time in almost 50 years was a special moment for Derby, Alstom and the wider industry.

"It allowed us to celebrate two centuries of innovation made here, across the country and around the world, and this fundraising milestone shows how powerfully our railway heritage continues to inspire."

Mr Waterman said the event "changed people's lives".

"It (the Greatest Gathering) celebrated the changing of the world. It was 200 years ago, a single man put his money into something he believed in, The Stockton and Darlington Railway."


Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369157/31038/40]
Posted by a-driver at 07:26, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Andy E
 
DfT has released details of improvements for nationalised operators under GBR

https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers



Not a highly impressive set of improvements for these nationalised operators, with several projects having been started prior to nationalisation.

Re: IET wifi upgrade?
In "Across the West" [369156/31228/26]
Posted by matth1j at 07:13, 9th December 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
...and when I hit the "accept & connect" I got this:



Although it did appear to have connected ok.

IET wifi upgrade?
In "Across the West" [369155/31228/26]
Posted by matth1j at 06:38, 9th December 2025
Already liked by Timmer, Mark A
 
Got this when I activated wifi on the 1700 Bristol-Paddington IET yesterday:



New to me; "Formula One-grade connectivity" 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369154/29726/18]
Posted by matth1j at 06:18, 9th December 2025
 
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 is being delayed at Swindon.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.
While waiting for that at Chippenham (due 17:50) an empty IET passed through heading west at full tilt. I thought it might have been the reason for the delay, but the 17:35 was still parked at Swindon for a while after that.

I don't think too many 17:35 passengers decided to give up and make alternative arrangements when the announcement was made (more than once) that the fastest way to Melksham and beyond was going to be the 19:00 Salisbury service...

SWR improvements under GBR
In "South Western services" [369153/31227/42]
Posted by John D at 05:11, 9th December 2025
 
DfT has listed some improvements for nationalised operators under GBR as part of its livery launch

South Western Railway

In public ownership, South Western Railway are:

Modernising and improving their West of England Fleet, with a programme beginning in December 2025 (to be completed during 2028). This will overhaul the 15X fleet serving the West of England, improving performance and reliability of the trains while delivering customer benefits such as interior upgrades and at-seat USB power.

Delivering the new Arterio fleet to transform their suburban network, with over 50% of morning high peak arrivals into Waterloo now on Arterio trains. These provide increased capacity and more comfort for passengers. SWR are aiming for most Arterios to be introduced by the end of Summer 2026 (75% of total schedules).

Building a new timetable for the first time in 20 years, by consulting with stakeholders and passengers, with design in early 2026 and a full public consultation in Autumn 2026. The timetable transformation will seek to strike the right balance between enhanced connectivity in their communities, more services and capacity, better train performance on the network and increased economic value for the taxpayer.

Investing over £600 million in improving infrastructure performance to reduce delays and cancellations, complete by March 2027. This includes track and signal renewals, level crossing upgrades, and renewal of associated infrastructure, with projects such as West of England line resilience works, London Waterloo-Clapham Junction upgrades, Island Line improvements, and strengthening the railway at Fareham-Havant and Portsmouth Harbour.

Recruiting more drivers to improve reliability and reduce cancellations, with an increase in the numbers of drivers in active service each year, and increase the number of new drivers in training by 50%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers


Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [369152/31038/40]
Posted by John D at 05:06, 9th December 2025
 
DfT has released details of improvements for nationalised operators under GBR

https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers

And new livery which will be on show at London Bridge today

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-change-the-future-of-british-trains-arrives-as-government-reforms-broken-railways

Re: AQ - Sometimes there are no trains ... 7.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369151/31222/30]
Posted by stuving at 22:58, 8th December 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
6. must be Mestre, surely?

Re: Only Connect - Lion Wall - AQ 8.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369150/31224/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:34, 8th December 2025
 
Ainsdale, Corkickle, Ravenglass and Llanbister Road were all LMS stations before nationalisation.

Re: Only Connect - Lion Wall - AQ 8.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369149/31224/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 21:11, 8th December 2025
 
Ravenglass
Corkickle
Coombe Junction
Battersby

All junctions with mineral railways

Re: Only Connect - Lion Wall - AQ 8.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369148/31224/30]
Posted by froome at 20:55, 8th December 2025
 
Ainsdale, Carbis Bay, Corkickle and Dawlish Warren are coastal stations that are also 'edge of suburbia' stations (to at least a degree):

Ainsdale on edge of Southport
Carbis Bay on edge of St Ives
Corkickle on edge of Whitehaven
Dawlish Warren on edge of Dawlish

Re: Man dies after falling from hot air balloon - West Sussex, 19 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369147/30768/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:21, 8th December 2025
Already liked by froome, broadgage
 
Thoughts to all his fellow passengers & pilot....

Re: Man dies after falling from hot air balloon - West Sussex, 19 Sep 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369146/30768/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:12, 8th December 2025
 
An update, from the BBC:

Passenger who fell from Virgin hot air balloon took own life

A man who died after falling from a hot air balloon took his own life, an inquest has concluded.

Jesus Lato Garzon, from Watford, fell during a Virgin Balloon Flights journey near Newpound Common in Wisborough Green, West Sussex, at about 09:20 BST on 19 September.

On Monday, assistant coroner Sally Morgan told West Sussex Coroner's Court that Mr Garzon had "intended" to die by suicide when he left the balloon.

After searching for more than four hours, using drones, officers and dogs, Mr Garzon's body was found on farmland nearby, having sustained "traumatic injuries", the hearing was told.

* If you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this story, information and support can be found at the BBC's Action Line.

Mr Garzon's body was found with a note, which the coroner said indicated he had intended to die by suicide.

Footage from the balloon showed he "waved" at a camera in the basket immediately before he fell to his death, the court heard.

Mr Garzon was among 16 passengers and a pilot travelling from Billingshurst to Dunsfold, Surrey. He spoke to the pilot when he arrived at the airfield at 06.15 BST, who had "no concerns" about his fitness to fly, the court heard.

Det Sgt Elaine Keating told the coroner: "Everybody was aware there was a camera to record the flight, and the pilot asked them to look at the camera to take a photo. Jesus turned and waved at the camera and then climbed out of the balloon." She added he then "very quickly" left the balloon and left "no opportunity" for the other passengers to stop him.

Members of Mr Garzon's family attended the inquest via video-link from Spain. He was described as a "much-loved son, family member and friend".

Mr Garzon had not previously expressed any mental health concerns to his GP, the court heard.

The balloon was separated into five sections, and Mr Garzon was with three other passengers.

They set off late due to fog, after a safety briefing, at about 08.45 BST, and police had "no concerns" about the safety of the flight.

Mrs Morgan said it was "not for this court to determine why Mr Garzon took the actions he did".

"I'm not going to speculate as to what was going on in his mind at the time," she added.

A Virgin Balloon Flights spokesperson said: "We are deeply mindful of the experience of all passengers involved, and their wellbeing and peace of mind remain a priority. We kindly ask privacy is respected, as the welfare and safety of our passengers and the public is always our utmost concern."


Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369145/31226/49]
Posted by bradshaw at 19:54, 8th December 2025
 
Section 21 of Cooke’s survey covers Wiltshire. Melksham p23 and 24

I have attached copies of Melksham.

Let me know if you need anything else

Lightmoor Press are bringing them all out, so must have the copyright if you need to ask permission. My copy is one of the early ring bound volumes.

https://lightmoor.co.uk/category.php?section=Track%20Plans


Rail 274/173 is an 1877 survey of the line from Thingley Jct to Sparkford. 174 covers Sparkfort to Weymouth
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2359954

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369144/31226/49]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 19:30, 8th December 2025
 
Maybe contact the S-R-S and see if they are happy to supply you free of charge a high definition file. It is a not-for-profit civic project that Lisa has in mind and, it gives them good publicity.

Re: Phil Sayer, BBC presenter and railway announcer, died 14 April 2016: RIP
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [369143/6124/51]
Posted by bobm at 19:00, 8th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Interesting article on Linkedin from Phil's widow on recreating his voice using AI and some of the issues that were considered.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-think-im-clone-now-elinor-hamilton-0h6ve/

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369142/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 18:55, 8th December 2025
 
18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21

18:37 Westbury to Swindon due 19:21 is being delayed at Westbury.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

Re: R A Cooke Track Layout Diagrams
In "Media about railways, and other means of transport" [369141/31226/49]
Posted by grahame at 18:19, 8th December 2025
 
"Track Layout Diagrams of the GWR and BR (WR) – Section 65 Chester -Wrexham by R.A. Cooke"

Don't have the above - but this is available on the Signalling Record Society website.  What do you need it for?
Ah - thanks!

Lisa is putting together a history exhibit for display in the museum cabinets at some point in the new year - looking at availability, sources, copyrights, etc ...

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369140/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 18:10, 8th December 2025
 
17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19

17:35 Swindon to Westbury due 18:19 is being delayed at Swindon.
This is due to the train departing late to maintain customer connections.

17 minutes late off Swindon - however things like this can make sense given how infrequent the service is

 
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