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Re: Homes to be built on railway lines
In "Railway History and related topics" [363708/30512/55]
Posted by grahame at 09:43, 30th July 2025
 
I would give this a qualified welcome provided that we are 200% sure that the land will never be needed for railway or linked public transport purposes.   Houses can be built other sites a few hundred yards away, but new / re-used / public transport facilities need to be close and linked the current public transport.

Someone muttered "Council Offices" and "Tavistock" so loudly that I heard it here in Norway ;-) as an "oops", and there is another oops where Melksham Tyres (an excellent company and no fault of their own) have been a challenge to station improvements, but the upside yard is in planning for (I think) 112 dwellings and it would make sense - safeguarding access to the railway, and space for a second track, and if need be platform and/or bridge.

Homes to be built on railway lines
In "Railway History and related topics" [363707/30512/55]
Posted by Marlburian at 09:22, 30th July 2025
 
Radio Four news this morning was proclaiming that thousands of new houses would be built on railway lines, which conjured up first., an impression of moveable homes on wheels, and secondly extended linear developments along disused track beds, which made me wonder whether these should be preserved lest they be needed for re-opening. Turns out that the building will be on disused railway land, including former goods yards, industrial sites and station buildings.

A couple of months ago, I was at the site of Chiseldon Station, south of Swindon, puzzling where exactly it had stood (with the help of a couple of information boards) as the gradients on all sides looked very challenging for steam trains. A resident said that the cutting down to the station (from Chiseldon Camp) had been been back-fillled and houses built on it, leading to speculation about subsidence.

The Government announcement.

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363706/30509/25]
Posted by Mark A at 08:55, 30th July 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Agree, twins more in the intention of the service pattern than anything else.

Thinking of Lelant, yes, there's a train service there but odd, given that the branch itself operates into the late evening, that the decision's been made to curtail calls there after five-ish.

(The last time I caught a train from there the staff really weren't expecting anyone to be on the platform let alone have a hand out: this led to the opportunity to explore a long out-of-use section of the station's platform. I'd earlier been looking for the rumoured section of shore that's bolstered by the plating from a WW1 navy ship. That, I did not find...)

Mark

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [363704/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 06:50, 30th July 2025
 
Tuesday July 29

... was a good day

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363703/30509/25]
Posted by grahame at 03:54, 30th July 2025
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It's a 4.5km (1 hour estimate) walk from Pilning (Station) to Severn Beach Station, then a journey of around 110 minutes from there to Cardiff by train allowing for long way round and change needed.   Total journey 180 minutes if you allow yourself 10 extra minutes to arrive from your walk at Severn Beach station in good time for the train.    Contrast that to a 31 minute schedule from Cardiff to Pilining, direct, if you're lucky enough to want to go in that direction on a Saturday at 8 a.m. or 3 p.m.

In contrast to that extra two and a half hours, it's just an extra half hour from Lelant Saltings to Plymouth, London or just about anywhere else ... and Lelant Saltings does have 10 trains calling every week rather that 2 ...  Pilning remains the poor cousin rather than a twin.


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [363702/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 03:38, 30th July 2025
 
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47

30/07/25 06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Man killed on Tube track during police search: Colindale, north London, May 2024
In "Transport for London" [363701/30511/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:37, 30th July 2025
 
From the BBC:



A man fleeing from police was electrocuted and then hit by a London Underground train which was searching for him, his inquest has heard.

Senior coroner Andrew Walker said Transport for London's (TfL) response was "inadequate" after Robert English, 32, was killed in May 2024 when he was walking along the track near Colindale station in north London following reports of a fight.

TfL staff had initially turned off the power supply but then restored it after police mistakenly believed Mr English had climbed over a fence that separated the station from a park, the inquest heard.

A Tube train that had been held stationary then began to search the track and ran him over.

Claire Mann, TfL's chief operating officer, said: "We are committed to working with policing partners and reviewing our own operational practices to learn from this incident."

Mr English was last seen at about 01:00 BST on 19 May but "made his way into the night beyond the station" after two officers "sought to contain him rather than restrain him", according to Mr Walker, senior coroner for northern London.

The 32-year-old was electrocuted before being run over by a search train about 500m (1,640ft) from the station.

Mr Walker said that the train "was not adequately equipped to conduct such a search in darkness and this response was inadequate".

The power was wrongly restored because the station manager confirmed that the police had left and Mr Walker was nowhere to be seen, having climbed a fence a left the track, the coroner said.



Mr Walker wrote that TfL had not followed its own rulebook, in particular by failing to tell "all the relevant people" that the power supply was about to be switched on.  He added: "This would have given the (Metropolitan) police and British Transport Police an opportunity to confirm that Mr English had not been found and was likely still on the railway side of the tracks.  It is likely that had this step been followed the power supply would not have been switched on and a proper search, which was also possible, is likely to have found Mr English and returned him safely to the station."

The police watchdog ruled in June 2024 that an investigation was not required.

In April, TfL was urged to deliver a "concrete plan" to prevent intoxicated passengers being killed on its network following the accidental death of an artist in a Tube tunnel after a night out in London.

Ms Mann added: "Our thoughts are with the friends and family of Robert English following his tragic death last year.  We undertook a formal investigation of the incident and assisted the coroner during the inquest.  We are thoroughly reviewing the coroner's prevention of future deaths report before responding in full and will consider any appropriate actions to make the transport network as safe as possible."

A Department for Transport spokesperson said: "We are considering the coroner's prevention of future deaths report."


Re: Road and Rail sharing a bridge
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [363699/30503/52]
Posted by eXPassenger at 23:39, 29th July 2025
 
Severn Beach line curving left just after leaving Sea Mills to the left to cross the Severn and after the bridge running pretty much straight into the existing Portbury freight line well before Ham Green.

This bridge would cross the Avon.  A bridge over the Severn at this point would be significantly larger.

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363698/30509/25]
Posted by RichardB at 22:38, 29th July 2025
 
It's 10-15 minutes walk from Lelant Saltings to Lelant.  There's a back road.  I did it years ago.

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363696/30509/25]
Posted by Mark A at 21:55, 29th July 2025
 
In its defence, the one up train of the day from Lelant Saltings, the 9:12, makes a squeaky connection at St Erth into the 9:20 to deliver the traveller to Paddington just before 2:30pm...

Mark

Gulls (but not Minehead) and rails
In "The Lighter Side" [363694/30510/30]
Posted by grahame at 20:14, 29th July 2025
 
Two pictures from today ... if you think Minehead has gull problems ....




Re: 16th August 2025 - Buses to Imber
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [363693/29807/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:11, 29th July 2025
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To me, that conjures up an image of an artillery officer, looking out over the range and shouting "Open fire!  No, that's not an order - it's a warning!! 


Re: 16th August 2025 - Buses to Imber
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [363691/29807/5]
Posted by CyclingSid at 19:33, 29th July 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Chris from Nailsea
 
Could also do with some rain. The plain is very dry and a repeat of previous events in the year https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70nnnnz0ldo could put the event at risk. Especially the section that goes across the top of the Larkhill/Westdown range to Brazen Bottom and the Lavingtons. The civilian Fire and Rescue Service won't get involved because the risk in military areas. I would imagine with cut backs the nearest MoD fire service will be Boscombe Down, and probably not suited to wild fires on the ranges.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363690/29073/31]
Posted by johnneyw at 18:50, 29th July 2025
 
The seagulls, or the water pistols? 

The water pistols unfortunately.  The local seagulls seem now to have latched on to the opportunity presented to them at Victoria Quay where the holidaymakers go crabbing when the tide is favourable.  The moment you discard the bait from the net before going home, they're on to it in a flash.

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363689/30509/25]
Posted by bradshaw at 18:43, 29th July 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Witham Bobby
 
I presume that the concentration of parking at St Erth station has led to the decision. Lelant Saltings opened in 1978 as the P&R station for St Ives. That function has now been taken by St Erth.
Whether the decision to reduce services was the correct one is another thing.

Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363688/30509/25]
Posted by Mark A at 18:34, 29th July 2025
 
Heard an anecdote from someone local to the station, checked on a map, and yes, Lelant Saltings Station's adjacent housing might also be served by buses on the main road - said main roads also sever walking routes to the likes of St Erth.

Despite this, the station's timetable (07:52 to St Ives, 9:12 to St Erth and that's it... that is designed simply to ensure that the timetable of their local station does not meet the travel needs of people living within walking distance.)

Then, if you group the station with Lelant - you now have what's listed as a population of nearly 4000 - the rail service there is a somewhat better but heaven forbid that anyone might need, say, an evening train or first train of the day...

Mark

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363687/29073/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:20, 29th July 2025
Already liked by GBM
 
The seagulls, or the water pistols? 

Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion and bus services - merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [363686/22894/5]
Posted by chuffed at 16:55, 29th July 2025
Already liked by Timmer, TaplowGreen, GBM, Witham Bobby
 
I flew from Newcastle to Bristol last Wednesday morning....40 minutes from take off to touchdown for £23. Then found myself using the new Passenger terminal it was 5 minutes from aircraft steps to A! bus seat. Compared to my experience in the reverse direction in October 2023 it could not have been more different.
I can also highly recommend Newcastle Quayside Travelodge...a new build, floor to ceiling windows with a great view over the Tyne. Almost opposite a flight of some 120 steps that cuts the journey to Newcastle Central by half for the metro to the airport.

Arrest after girl raped in train toilet - Woolwich Arsenal, 19 July 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [363685/30508/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:25, 29th July 2025
 
From the BBC:



A man has been arrested after a teenager was raped in a toilet on a train in south-east London, British Transport Police (BTP) said.

The 17-year-old girl was attacked after boarding a Thameslink train towards Abbey Wood from Woolwich Arsenal railway station at about 06:10 BST on 19 July, having been sexually assaulted on the platform five minutes beforehand.

The man left the network at Abbey Wood while the girl continued to Slade Green station and later reported the incident to police.

BTP said a 30-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of rape and taken into custody. He was later released on bail pending further inquiries.

Officers are appealing for anyone who was at Woolwich Arsenal station and may have seen the pair on the platform, or anyone who saw them on the train, to contact police immediately.


Re: Teen suffers 'life-changing' injuries at steam fair - Netley Marsh, 26 July 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363684/30497/31]
Posted by stuving at 08:45, 29th July 2025
 
These fairs have to have a council-led HSE inspection before they are allowed to open each time - the council issues a licence to operate.

I suspect Netley council is holding its breath....

I doubt the Local Authority safety inspection would involve a in depth mechanical, electrical inspection, observing full operation by all the operators, setting up etc. More likely it will be an audit of the HS File, inspection, maintenance and repair reports, records of operator training, management of safety policy.  The Local Authority would unlikely have the skill staff, resources and time to carry out a full inspection of every ride and machine.

And that's how the system works. Under HSE's overall responsibility for how regulation and enforcement is applied, as they say:

Under the Health and Safety (Enforcing Authority) Regulations 1998, the local authority is generally the enforcing authority for leisure activities.

The LA inspects general site safety and management, but for rides they check documentation of inspections, the main one being annual and by a member of NAFLIC:

National Association for Leisure Industry Certification

NAFLIC is the UK trade association for amusement ride inspectors and other companies and individuals who provide inspection and maintenance services to ride owners, controllers and operators. Members are qualified in all aspects of amusement ride inspection and all are registered with ADIPS, the Amusement Device Inspection Procedures Scheme, which is fully endorsed and supported by the Health and Safety Executive.

The membership also includes others who provide valuable input into the inspection and maintenance aspects of rides and attractions, such as manufacturers and suppliers. Additionally, NAFLIC provides technical assistance and advice to the amusement park and travelling fairground industry.

Re: Teen suffers 'life-changing' injuries at steam fair - Netley Marsh, 26 July 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363683/30497/31]
Posted by Electric train at 06:34, 29th July 2025
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These fairs have to have a council-led HSE inspection before they are allowed to open each time - the council issues a licence to operate.

I suspect Netley council is holding its breath....

I doubt the Local Authority safety inspection would involve a in depth mechanical, electrical inspection, observing full operation by all the operators, setting up etc. More likely it will be an audit of the HS File, inspection, maintenance and repair reports, records of operator training, management of safety policy.  The Local Authority would unlikely have the skill staff, resources and time to carry out a full inspection of every ride and machine.


Re: Road and Rail sharing a bridge
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [363682/30503/52]
Posted by grahame at 04:28, 29th July 2025
 
Not being an engineer:

regarding the Portishead line crossing the river to the Severn Beach line,
 how far back down the line to Portishead line would the climb have had to start to get level with the current road bridge
and how far down the Severn beach rail line be to get it level towards Bristol.

Answered (somewhat) yesterday ...

The Avonmouth M5 bridge has a 30m clearance over the river (not sure at what tide state) so you would need about 1km ramps on each side at 1 in 30, or 2 km for 1 in 60.  

What ruling gradient you would select and how you would transition to and from level would depend on the type of traffic to be carried.  You would also need to consider the "x" and "y" dimensions - where on a map the ramp structures would go, and whose homes and businesses they would tower above. At this stage - an open and busy M5, a bridge not built to take the weight of a train, and a structure that rises and falls within its length, I suspect adding a rail deck (on top, to avoid reducing ships clearance) is impractical.  Better (IMHO and uneducated and probably just as impractical), a lift / swing / slide bridge at about ///farmer.pool.enjoy with a junction off the `Severn Beach line curving left just after leaving Sea Mills to the left to cross the Severn and after the bridge running pretty much straight into the existing Portbury freight line well before Ham Green.

Re: Road and Rail sharing a bridge
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [363681/30503/52]
Posted by infoman at 01:01, 29th July 2025
 
Not being an engineer:

regarding the Portishead line crossing the river to the Severn Beach line,
 how far back down the line to Portishead line would the climb have had to start to get level with the current road bridge
and how far down the Severn beach rail line be to get it level towards Bristol.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363680/29073/31]
Posted by johnneyw at 21:21, 28th July 2025
 
On the outside terrace at The Idle Rocks hotel in St Mawes there are water pistols on the tables which are very effective in deterring seagulls landing on the wall and eyeing up your food.

Ditto The Ferry Inn, Salcombe..... except some of them seem to have a strange habit of going missing after a while.

 
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