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Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
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Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:52, 25th June 2024
 
From the BBC:

Royal Mail says sorry for delays caused by seagulls

Residents in a town in Cornwall have received a letter from Royal Mail apologising for late mail - explaining that its delivery workers were being hampered by dive-bombing seagulls.

Royal Mail said those living in the affected zone in Liskeard could choose to wait until the birds were not aggressively protecting their young, or nominate a new address.

One Liskeard resident described it as "deadly" to go outside when the birds were nesting.


BBC article continues.   


Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:31, 27th August 2024
 
I did wonder whether I should post this topic under 'the lighter side' or 'Plymouth & Cornwall'. 

It's an only very vaguely related railway issue but, from this BBC news item, it does seem to focus on Cornwall:


Some species of gull have seen 75% drops in their populations in 55 years

They are the sound of our seaside, and can often be seen stealing a pasty, a sandwich or some chips.

Seagulls. But, love them or loathe them, they are in decline, according to wildlife experts.

While the birds may appear to be thriving, they are on the red list - the highest level - for British bird species of concern, because their population has dropped by 72% in 55 years.

Marine conservation officer at Cornwall Wildlife Trust, Rebecca Allen, said it was not just in Devon and Cornwall that pairs had decreased.

"The population has declined around Great Britain. It's nearly three-quarters decline, since 1969, so that’s quite serious," she said. "It was about 200,000 breeding pairs... so that brings it down to about 50,000 breeding pairs."
......


Wildlife supporters say gulls - even the cheeky ones, like this one sitting where maybe it should not - are an integral part of the seaside


The article continues - but I have one comment, and one question:

Does anyone else think that it's absolutely brilliant that one of the BBC journalists working on this news item is Andrew Segal?

Looking at the first picture in their item: where is that?  The seagull has rather effectively got in the way of the wider view: I initially thought it might be Polperro, but I then discounted that.  I'll bet it's somewhere in Cornwall, though.

CfN. 

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Timmer at 23:15, 27th August 2024
 
In decline…really??

Come to Bath or most other towns and cities and you’ll find the ******s are thriving. In the part of Bath where I work the gulls have had a very successful breeding season…again! The council have given up and do nothing. What makes it worse is that people actually feed them!!! Trust me, they are more than capable of feeding themselves.

If I had my way I’d class them as vermin. Wretched birds.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by GBM at 04:48, 28th August 2024
 
In decline…really??

Come to Bath or most other towns and cities and you’ll find the ******s are thriving. In the part of Bath where I work the gulls have had a very successful breeding season…again! The council have given up and do nothing. What makes it worse is that people actually feed them!!! Trust me, they are more than capable of feeding themselves.

If I had my way I’d class them as vermin. Wretched birds.
Totally with you Timmer

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by CyclingSid at 07:01, 28th August 2024
 
In decline…really??

Come to Bath or most other towns and cities and you’ll find the ******s are thriving. In the part of Bath where I work the gulls have had a very successful breeding season…again! The council have given up and do nothing. What makes it worse is that people actually feed them!!! Trust me, they are more than capable of feeding themselves.

If I had my way I’d class them as vermin. Wretched birds.
Totally with you Timmer

Same for Reading. Maybe they mean they have just decreased at the seaside, whereas they have increased inland. Apparently there is also a "shortage" of pigeons, pull the other one. Again people insist on feeding them, just rats with wings, or rats with PR (take your pick).

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by eightonedee at 07:37, 28th August 2024
 
No, it's absolutely correct.

It follows a substantial increase in the 20th century,  attributed to two factors, the increase in the discarding of fish and fish waste by the fishing industry and the growth of open landfill sites. Both these went into reverse later in the century as fish stocks declined and fishing regulations changed, and as open landfill sites were closed with the growth of recycling.

The problems in coastal areas, and possibly persecution in coastal areas, combined with the species in question discovering that modern flat-roofed buildings provide excellent safe nesting sites, saw them spread across inland Britain in the latter part of the century and early part of this.

There are a number of species of gull. The commonest involved with problems at seaside resorts and urban sites is Herring Gull (the one usually referred to as "seagull"). The similarly sized Lesser Black-backed Gull has shown similar trends, but with an material change in its behaviour in winter.  Most wintered in the Atlantic off North Africa in the early 20th century, but gradually switched to wintering in the British Isles,  and often inland.  They are now the commonest of the larger gulls in our (Thames Valley) part of the world.

For completeness, the other common gull is the much smaller Black-headed Gull, a much less aggressive bird, and as much an upland and wetland species as a seabird.  It has also undergone an expansion, change and decline in numbers for similar reasons.

So please show some understanding for the plight of the "seagull ", it's a much less destructive lifeform than homo sapiens!

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 10:52, 28th August 2024
 
Broadgage recipe for cooking seagull.

"Remove feathers and use these to stuff a pillow for someone that you don't much like. Remove guts and feed to other seagulls. Place carcass in a large pot and weight with a stone. Boil until stone is tender, throw gull away."

More seriously, my Ukrainian neighbours observed the size and stupidity of seagulls and remarked that there must be loads of meat on such birds. Having killed and cooked one, they now know why we don't eat them !
Even in the last war, when food was short seagulls were almost never eaten. A few people killed them to feed cats and dogs.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Witham Bobby at 11:04, 28th August 2024
 
They're all here.  Thriving in Worcestershire

Significant problem in Worcester city centre, and I don't suppose Worcester is unique

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 11:22, 28th August 2024
 
In decline…really??

Come to Bath or most other towns and cities and you’ll find the ******s are thriving. In the part of Bath where I work the gulls have had a very successful breeding season…again! The council have given up and do nothing. What makes it worse is that people actually feed them!!! Trust me, they are more than capable of feeding themselves.

If I had my way I’d class them as vermin. Wretched birds.

In the case of the common types of gull that infest Minehead and many other places, then I agree entirely. Wretched birds.
I think that some types of gull might actually be in serious decline.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by froome at 12:13, 28th August 2024
 
The herring gull has, like many other species, learnt how to exploit the dominance of the planet by ourselves, and has become very good at living with humans and essentially getting everything they need from us.

Here in Bath I was recently harassed by a herring gull, and it was an extremely unpleasant experience. I was walking down a residential street in a new development area, where I know there have been issues raised about the presence of gulls, and suddenly heard one just behind me. It was very loud and flew up immediately in front of me, turned round about 20 feet up, and dived down flying just over my head. It looked very large and looked like it could easily hit me and do some damage, but just missed me. All in all it did this pattern at least 6 times, while I continued walking along, but becoming increasingly concerned. All the time it was making a hell of a din, and making it very clear that it did not want me around. Presumably it was nesting nearby, but if that was a rooftop, it was quite a distance from me. Eventually, when I had nearly reached the end of the road, it flew off.

I still remember sitting on Dartmouth seafront quite a few years ago, and eating a sandwich. Just as I was taking my first bite, a gull flew past and whipped the whole sandwich literally from out of my mouth. I was astounded, as was everyone else sitting there.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 13:07, 28th August 2024
 
I am told that in days gone by Alka Seltzer used to be a great method of dealing with unwanted gull attention.....

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 13:43, 28th August 2024
 
I am told that in days gone by Alka Seltzer used to be a great method of dealing with unwanted gull attention.....

Or calcium carbide ! both are rather cruel though and should not be encouraged. Simply shoot the pests, which should minimise suffering.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 16:05, 28th August 2024
 
Mid  2010s I had my ice  cream pecked out  of it's cone by a gull as I walked by the harbour side.  I would have replaced it but it was in Salcombe and there wasn't a mortgage advisor handy!

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:01, 28th August 2024
 



Looking at the first picture in their item: where is that?  The seagull has rather effectively got in the way of the wider view: I initially thought it might be Polperro, but I then discounted that.  I'll bet it's somewhere in Cornwall, though.


No, that's definitely not Salcombe. 


Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 17:06, 28th August 2024
 



Looking at the first picture in their item: where is that?  The seagull has rather effectively got in the way of the wider view: I initially thought it might be Polperro, but I then discounted that.  I'll bet it's somewhere in Cornwall, though.


No, that's definitely not Salcombe. 


I would have thought a gull that gigantic walking down the road would have received more news coverage.



Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 23:09, 28th August 2024
 
A seagull of that size could probably kill and eat a cat or dog, or even a small child. Shoot on sight. And would probably need something more lethal than a shotgun, an anti-tank rocket perhaps.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 00:40, 29th August 2024
 
50 Cal should suffice...

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:30, 31st August 2024
 
That's a bit harsh - poor seagull! 

I'm still quite interested to find out where that seagull actually was - when he was potentially sniped.

My research of images online still suggest possible locations in Cornwall, but I have no more detail than that.

Can anyone here help, please: where is seagull?

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 14:17, 1st September 2024
 
That's a bit harsh - poor seagull! 

I'm still quite interested to find out where that seagull actually was - when he was potentially sniped.

My research of images online still suggest possible locations in Cornwall, but I have no more detail than that.

Can anyone here help, please: where is seagull?

I think that I've identified it as Quay Road in Looe.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:50, 1st September 2024
 
Thanks, johnneyw - that's exactly where the seagull is (or was): that quite distinctive grey granite frontage of the chapel, or church, confirms it. 


Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by stuving at 18:45, 1st September 2024
 
Thanks, johnneyw - that's exactly where the seagull is (or was): that quite distinctive grey granite frontage of the chapel, or church, confirms it. 

... or, given how small it is relative to the seagull, it's model of Looe.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 13:38, 2nd September 2024
 
In Sydney, Australia, anti-seagull dogs patrol the sea front and are trained to chase away the wretched birds.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 05:55, 7th September 2024
 
My neighbours report that a particularly aggressive seagull was attacking pet cats and trying to kill kittens.
They went to fetch a gun but meanwhile, the largest cats had killed the gull. It is very rare for domestic cats to kill a gull, but not unknown.
The cats showed no interest in eating the dead gull, so it was given to some anglers who used the guts as bait.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:33, 7th September 2024
 
My neighbours report that a particularly aggressive seagull was attacking pet cats and trying to kill kittens.
They went to fetch a gun but meanwhile, the largest cats had killed the gull. It is very rare for domestic cats to kill a gull, but not unknown.
The cats showed no interest in eating the dead gull, so it was given to some anglers who used the guts as bait.

It was fortunate for your neighbours that the cats saved them from breaking the law.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Timmer at 11:48, 7th September 2024
 
My neighbours report that a particularly aggressive seagull was attacking pet cats and trying to kill kittens.
Doesn’t surprise me. They are getting ever more brazen to go for larger prey. Foul foul creatures.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 13:19, 7th September 2024
 
My neighbours report that a particularly aggressive seagull was attacking pet cats and trying to kill kittens.
They went to fetch a gun but meanwhile, the largest cats had killed the gull. It is very rare for domestic cats to kill a gull, but not unknown.
The cats showed no interest in eating the dead gull, so it was given to some anglers who used the guts as bait.

It was fortunate for your neighbours that the cats saved them from breaking the law.

AFAIK, shooting gulls is permitted in an emergency, which would include attacking pets, wildlife or livestock.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:34, 7th September 2024
 
Foul foul creatures.

You really don't like seagulls, do you, Timmer?

Chris from Nailseagull. 

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:28, 7th September 2024
 
Broadgage recipe for cooking seagull.

"Remove feathers and use these to stuff a pillow for someone that you don't much like. Remove guts and feed to other seagulls. Place carcass in a large pot and weight with a stone. Boil until stone is tender, throw gull away."

More seriously, my Ukrainian neighbours observed the size and stupidity of seagulls and remarked that there must be loads of meat on such birds. Having killed and cooked one, they now know why we don't eat them !
Even in the last war, when food was short seagulls were almost never eaten. A few people killed them to feed cats and dogs.

Washed down  with a bottle of Château Broadgage Port!

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 21:21, 7th September 2024
 
 As far as I can remember the French don't make a port
So maybe a tipple from Maison Broadgauge by all means .

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 22:37, 7th September 2024
 
Real port comes only from a designated region of Portugal.
In years gone by "British port" was available. It is now outlawed unless renamed with no mention of the word port on the bottle. The usual description is "British rich red fortified wine" The only merit of the product is an attractive price, suitable for cooking, or as an ingredient in punch or mulled wine.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:02, 8th September 2024
 
Real port comes only from a designated region of Portugal.
In years gone by "British port" was available. It is now outlawed unless renamed with no mention of the word port on the bottle. The usual description is "British rich red fortified wine" The only merit of the product is an attractive price, suitable for cooking, or as an ingredient in punch or mulled wine.

I am indebted to you for that invaluable clarification.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 11:43, 8th September 2024
 
Continuing on the subject of rich red wines, I remember that my father's home-made elderberry wine was British, rich and red, and kept very well.  Alas all now finished.

As for seagulls, I can happily live without them - and living well inland I seldom see them.  What I have seen increase in recent years is magpies and grey squirrels.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:16, 8th September 2024
 
Grey squirrels were the bane of my life in our previous house - they nearly cost us the sale last year, due to the damage they'd done in the loft and up on the roof, chewing everything - particularly the lead flashing around the chimney. 

Red Squirrels, however, are to be welcomed. 


Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by broadgage at 20:35, 25th September 2024
 
But are grey squirrels worse than seagulls ? In my view, they are troublesome pests, but seagulls are worse.
Grey squirrels are allegedly edible unlike gulls.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Marlburian at 21:20, 25th September 2024
 
As I mentioned in the "squirrels"  thread a couple of hours ago: seagull caught winging it on-london-bound train/

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:36, 25th September 2024
 
You can't take a shotgun out against a seagull (sorry, Timmer, but that's the law ) but I'd be happy to take out a grey squirrel with one.

Red Squirrels excepted, obviously. 

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Timmer at 22:03, 25th September 2024
 
You can't take a shotgun out against a seagull (sorry, Timmer, but that's the law ) but I'd be happy to take out a grey squirrel with one.

Red Squirrels excepted, obviously. 
Yup, I believe they were made a protected species back in 1981. Mad, utterly mad.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:40, 14th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Cornwall seagull sips man's coffee before stealing his mug



A gull has taken revenge on a man who was installing anti-bird spikes in a Cornish town - by drinking his coffee and pinching his mug.

Maintenance worker Darren Pardoe had been bird proofing houses in Porthleven when he stopped at a pub for a coffee on 3 June. He said he had been talking to someone before he turned around to find the gull helping himself to the hot brew. Before he could take action, the feathered thief flew off with the mug. "I think it had remembered me," he joked.

Recalling the coffee heist, Mr Pardoe said: "I turn round and sure enough a seagull's got its beak in my coffee... next minute the bird picks up the coffee cup by its handle and takes off across the harbour with it. It flew round the harbour and then landed on the water, put the cup down, and the cup just sank."

Mr Pardoe captured a photo of the bird in flight with his coffee mug.


Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by JayMac at 15:58, 15th June 2025
 
I'll have one coffee to go.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 08:26, 24th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

Woman needs umbrella to fend off seagull attacks

A woman living in Cornwall has said she cannot leave her house without needing to defend herself against seagulls.

Valerie Bannister, from Fowey, said she has been left "feeling scared" after she was knocked to the ground on Friday night.

The 70-year-old said she did not wish to see the animals harmed and explained the birds were trying to protect their chicks which are outside the front and rear door to her house.

However, she admitted she was now fearful of serious injury if something was not done. Discussing Friday's incident, Ms Bannister said: "I was on the floor with these wretched birds circling above me."

She added: "The adult attacked me so badly that I fell over, which to be honest has left me feeling scared. I thought they were going to attack me again. If a young man had hit me like this, the police would probably have arrested him."

Ms Bannister said she only suffered bruising from hitting the floor but said if she had not been carrying an umbrella it would have been much worse.

Asked if she had been able to leave her house since the attack, she said: "I've left the house but I've been on my guard. Yesterday, I was leaving through the back door, going down the side of the house, through the garage and out of the drive but while carrying an umbrella."

The wildlife conservation charity RSPB said the Fowey resident was right to be using an umbrella. A spokesperson said: "When gulls dive-bomb, it's not aggression, just protective parenting. If you are experiencing this, we advise to use an umbrella when entering or leaving a property to deter the parents from getting too close. They'll move on once their chicks can fly, which won't take long once they are out of the nest."

The Fowey resident said she did not see how the issue could be resolved because the animals are protected. "The law was written in 1981 and seagull behaviour was very different then," she said. "I'm in a town now where they are an absolute menace. I just feel the ruling is archaic, it's almost 50 years old."

Cornwall Council have been contacted for comment.


 
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