East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Lee at 15:41, 14th December 2007 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Lord Bassam said a plan had to include a "proper business case", and be funded as the Government had not studied the likely cost. He added: "Reopening regional or rural lines will not normally be the most effective way of delivering the capacity increases, which as the rail White Paper explained are our priority." (link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/news/headlines/display.var.1904320.0.city_rail_link_to_cambridge.php
Last month , the East West Rail Consortium brought in consultants to draw up a case for reopening the western sections of the line from Bicester to Bletchley south of Milton Keynes , and the Claydon Junction-Aylesbury line.
The consortium has estimated the cost of reopening the Bicester-Bletchley section at up to ^135m.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 23:47, 14th December 2007 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Shame the 2012 Rowing Lake will destroy part of the track bed between Bedford and Cambridge!
Who needs a rail link when you can have the London Olympics!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Lee at 00:12, 7th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The consortium behind the plan says the scheme linking Oxford to Milton Keynes, Bedford and Aylesbury is on track to become operational by 2012. But the estimated cost, originally put at ^130m, has risen to ^190m, going to ^228m if a spur to Aylesbury is included (link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.2100215.0.rail_link_work_may_start_in_2009.php
A new report commissioned by the East West Rail Consortium, made up of councils and development agencies, has backed the case for a new network of railway lines and train services. It means the long awaited project now goes to a detailed planning stage.
Adrian Saunders, Oxfordshire County Council's rail development officer, said:
: Adrian Saunders
"There is a lot of support coming from the Department for Transport and Network Rail to get this project moving. Construction work could start by the end of 2009."
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Graz at 10:57, 7th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It is costly but then again anything that can be done to relieve the congestion to and from London is definitely a good thing, especially with the upcoming Olympics. Not only this but it would be a much quicker route and could open up many other journey oppertunities.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Lee at 11:01, 7th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
One of the things that interests me about this is that its another example of how difficult it appears to be to keep the costs of such schemes down. See link below for another example.
http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5686.msg9994#msg9994
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by John R at 18:58, 7th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
^228m is a bargain. Think of the costs of Reading, Birmingham New St, let alone Crossrail or Thameslink. And how much is a couple of miles of M74 extension in Glasgow going to cost? ^400m+ I seem to recall.
And the road alternatives are awful, particularly in the rush hour. My wife knows, as she has to drive to MK every couple of weeks, and the journey from Nailsea takes around 3 hours. I suspect the main problem would be overcrowding. Bristol-Swindon-Oxford-MK would be the ideal service, which could also provide a bit of additional peak capacity between Bristol and Swindon.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Lee at 20:55, 7th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
^228m is a bargain. Think of the costs of Reading, Birmingham New St, let alone Crossrail or Thameslink. And how much is a couple of miles of M74 extension in Glasgow going to cost? ^400m+ I seem to recall.
And the road alternatives are awful, particularly in the rush hour. My wife knows, as she has to drive to MK every couple of weeks, and the journey from Nailsea takes around 3 hours. I suspect the main problem would be overcrowding. Bristol-Swindon-Oxford-MK would be the ideal service, which could also provide a bit of additional peak capacity between Bristol and Swindon.
And the road alternatives are awful, particularly in the rush hour. My wife knows, as she has to drive to MK every couple of weeks, and the journey from Nailsea takes around 3 hours. I suspect the main problem would be overcrowding. Bristol-Swindon-Oxford-MK would be the ideal service, which could also provide a bit of additional peak capacity between Bristol and Swindon.
Dont get me wrong, I would love to see it happen. I also agree that Bristol-Swindon-Oxford-MK would be a good service to have. Southampton-Salisbury-Westbury-Swindon-Oxford-MK wouldnt be a bad idea either.....
The Oxford Mail article also gives an indication of potential journey times :
: Oxford Mail
The "congestion busting" link holds out the promise of 12-minute train journeys between Oxford and Bicester and 35 minutes between Oxford and Milton Keynes.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by John R at 21:04, 7th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've had an interest in this scheme since living on a house built on the old trackbed in Sandy, Beds 15 years ago. Yes it was developed enough then for a leaflet to have been produced. At the time the cost of diverting a bit further north would not have been great, but as has already been mentioned the Willington Rowing Lake appears to have killed off the scheme east of Bedford for good.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Lee at 13:02, 13th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the Save The Train Forum :
Nearly a year on and East-West Rail have published their more in-depth report which takes the project to final stages of GRIP (Guide for Railway Investment Projects) Stage 3.
http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/reports/documents/GRIP3FinalReport.pdf
The project has moved on considerably and is now based on a 100mph link between Oxford and Bletchley and a 90mph link between Aylesbury and Calvert to provide a 'regional express' service at 2tph and 1tph respectively.
The following extracts indicate that the start of any actual construction work is over two years away, and that constrution would take over three years.
6.38 Currently at a stage comparable to GRIP Stage 3, it is anticipated that the remaining
Design and Mobilisation Phase of the EWR Scheme will take further 26 months. This
will include completion of GRIP 4 and 5 (single option development and detailed
design), and makes an allowance for the procurement negotiations required before a
Contractor is appointed to undertake construction phase of the project. It is during this
phase that necessary possessions and blockades will need to be booked with Network
Rail.
6.39 The construction period alone is estimated to be a period of 43 months. Further
refinement of the programme will be required as more detailed design is undertaken
and it is believe the construction period could be reduced to closer to 30 months.
Driven by the need to lay the track, it has been assumed that most civil engineering
works, signalling, crossings and drainage etc can be progressed concurrently with the
track laying.
I have watched this project for many years, and although we're still a long way from the first train running, this document seems well-reasoned, acheiveable, and just goes to show the work (and money) that has to be spent on getting a relatively modest scheme such as this off the ground.
With Ruth Kelly under increasing pressure to increase rail capacity, or at least be seen to be doing so, this is just the sort of scheme that will get her department lots of prositive coverage, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/reports/documents/GRIP3FinalReport.pdf
The project has moved on considerably and is now based on a 100mph link between Oxford and Bletchley and a 90mph link between Aylesbury and Calvert to provide a 'regional express' service at 2tph and 1tph respectively.
The following extracts indicate that the start of any actual construction work is over two years away, and that constrution would take over three years.
6.38 Currently at a stage comparable to GRIP Stage 3, it is anticipated that the remaining
Design and Mobilisation Phase of the EWR Scheme will take further 26 months. This
will include completion of GRIP 4 and 5 (single option development and detailed
design), and makes an allowance for the procurement negotiations required before a
Contractor is appointed to undertake construction phase of the project. It is during this
phase that necessary possessions and blockades will need to be booked with Network
Rail.
6.39 The construction period alone is estimated to be a period of 43 months. Further
refinement of the programme will be required as more detailed design is undertaken
and it is believe the construction period could be reduced to closer to 30 months.
Driven by the need to lay the track, it has been assumed that most civil engineering
works, signalling, crossings and drainage etc can be progressed concurrently with the
track laying.
I have watched this project for many years, and although we're still a long way from the first train running, this document seems well-reasoned, acheiveable, and just goes to show the work (and money) that has to be spent on getting a relatively modest scheme such as this off the ground.
With Ruth Kelly under increasing pressure to increase rail capacity, or at least be seen to be doing so, this is just the sort of scheme that will get her department lots of prositive coverage, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 21:58, 13th March 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
When FGW get HST2s from the IEP, Chiltern could take the HSTs and run an hourly service from Marylebone to Milton Keynes/Bedford!
Of course, the first class would be taken out. Everyone is second class (i.e. equal) with Chiltern.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by stebbo at 16:39, 20th April 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Chiltern's standard class is sheer luxury compared to FGW's refurbed mk 3s
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by grahame at 20:15, 20th April 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I see "East / West" is live again here. Of course THIS is where it would / would have been good for it to end up:


Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:02, 20th April 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Quite possibly, Nick!
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwich_railway_station



Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 20:11, 22nd April 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes - an hourly/ two hourly Reading or Didcot to Norwich would be good (taking pressure off London).
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:59, 27th November 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The East-West Rail Consortium has released a document that further clarifies the time-scales for the Western Section from Oxford/Aylesbury-Milton Keynes/Bedford. I had wondered what effect Chiltern Railways' announcement regarding an Oxford-Marylebone service via Bicester would have on the scheme, but it appears that it won't be causing too much of a delay as additional GRIP 3 stage work will now take place whilst early GRIP 4 work is in progress. GRIP 4 work is now scheduled to be completed by the end of next year.
To quote from the document...
The Key planned Programme Dates are:-
^ Award contract for next phase - By end November 2008
^ Surveys to Commence - January 2009
^ Phase 1 Complete (GRIP 3/4)- By end April 2009
^ Design Specification Fixed - By end May 2009
^ Commencement of Phase 2 (GRIP 4) - By end June 2009
^ GRIP 4 Review and Commission complete - By end December 2009
The full document can be downloaded at http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/_inc/documents/EWRCInformationBulletin_Oct2008w.pdf
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by eightf48544 at 14:29, 27th November 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Interesting! December Modern Railways has a piece which says that in fact Chiltern Rail will help EWR by doing the Oxford Bicester bit, the chord at Bicester and build Water Eaton Parkway station.
Chiltern will then run 2 tph to Marylebone and EWR will be able to run 2 tph to Milton Keynes and/or Bedford plus Aylesbury Milton Keynes.
Now if we could only get Bourne End - High Wycombe, Bucks could end up with a superb rail network serving all the principle towns.
Unfortunately the Maidenhead Advertiser has a report on a planning enquiry into a scheme to build on the track bed at Wooburn. If it were to be approved it would kill any reopening.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by John R at 15:54, 27th November 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would have thought that Chiltern's contribution will significantly reduce the cost of the scheme (at least the infrastructure element of it), and make it much more likely to be funded.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:00, 27th November 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would have thought that Chiltern's contribution will significantly reduce the cost of the scheme (at least the infrastructure element of it), and make it much more likely to be funded.
Yes, let's hope so. It's almost amazing to think that the current mix of 20/30/40mph single track with a turbo bobbing along it every couple of hours, could, in five years time, be a high quality, high-speed inter-urban route which could also be seen as a strategic freight and passenger diversionary route.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 18:48, 27th November 2008 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Now if we could only get Bourne End - High Wycombe, Bucks could end up with a superb rail network serving all the principle towns.
Unfortunately the Maidenhead Advertiser has a report on a planning enquiry into a scheme to build on the track bed at Wooburn. If it were to be approved it would kill any reopening.
As much as I would like to see it reopen, fond memories as small boy traveling from Furze Platt to Beaconsfield to see my Aunt, I fear to much has already been built on and the removal of the embankment for the retail park at High Wycombe place an even bigger problem.Unfortunately the Maidenhead Advertiser has a report on a planning enquiry into a scheme to build on the track bed at Wooburn. If it were to be approved it would kill any reopening.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:26, 27th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"Rail campaigners are backing a 100mph fast train route across the centre of England linking Oxford and Cambridge. The fast train route would go via Bicester, Aylesbury, Milton Keynes and Bedford with integrated links to connect Ipswich and Norwich to Swindon. The plan involves a combination of existing, upgraded and reopened lines."
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7851976.stm
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 21:50, 27th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Two points:
Via Aylesbury? I think the BBC have got it wrong. They probably mean a separate route from Aylesbury to Milton, and Oxford to Bedford.
And why only 100 mph? The section east of Bicester is pretty straight, and has no points for stations until Bletchley! 125 mph please!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 22:09, 27th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And why only 100 mph? The section east of Bicester is pretty straight, and has no points for stations until Bletchley! 125 mph please!
The extra cost for the infrastructure works, increased maintenance cost would make the proposal unviable, open the line at 100mph and then work at increasing the speed if the demand is there for faster trains, but I doubt there will be much saving in journey timesRe: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by John R at 22:25, 27th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
100mph = 36 secs per mile. 125mph = 28.5secs. ie 7.5secs per mile, so you need 8 miles to save 1 minute. So after allowing for accelerating and braking, the most you would save between Bicester and Bletchey is 2 minutes at a push. And 125mph stock needs to be more crashworthy, have dead space at both ends, and is thus more expensive in every respect.
So it would be completely unviable. Of more interest would be to electirify the line up front. Electrifying a disused line is much cheaper as there is no disruption cost. There will be oodles of EMUs available once the Thameslink stock is cascaded, and if the GWML is electrified in the next few years, then it would make sense.
But I agree with Electric Train keep the cost to a minimum and get the business case approved.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 16:55, 28th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ok.
But don't electrify, as it would restrict the extensions to the service.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:29, 28th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think the fact that 90-100mph is being actively pursued is excellent - though that will be difficult to achieve between Oxford and Islip. I would have probably expected 75mph limit to have been decided upon for a rural route like this.
Does anyone know whether the intended re-engine of the Chiltern Railways 165/0's fleet will see their top speed increased from 75mph to 90/100mph?
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 18:59, 28th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
They want to re-engine their 168s to 100 mph (to get 90 min timings London - Birminham). I doubt they'll change their 165s.
However, they will probably order more 172s (100 mph) to run the Oxford services.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by willc at 00:34, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Two points:
Via Aylesbury? I think the BBC have got it wrong. They probably mean a separate route from Aylesbury to Milton, and Oxford to Bedford.
And why only 100 mph? The section east of Bicester is pretty straight, and has no points for stations until Bletchley! 125 mph please!
Via Aylesbury? I think the BBC have got it wrong. They probably mean a separate route from Aylesbury to Milton, and Oxford to Bedford.
And why only 100 mph? The section east of Bicester is pretty straight, and has no points for stations until Bletchley! 125 mph please!
I should think the people of Winslow, population getting on for 10,000, would quite like the trains to stop at their town along the way... also a couple of other stations are proposed between here and Bletchley where more housing is slated to go in as Milton Keynes grows. The proposed East-West service mix includes stoppers and semi-fasts to cater for the various markets. MK-Aylesbury, via Claydon junction, is an aspiration of the East-West consortium.
100mph is fine for this sort of route, with relatively frequent stops and Chiltern's trains are unlikely to make that many calls at Islip anyway, Water Eaton Parkway (aka Kidlington) being a far juicer prospect, by saving people the struggle through the city to Oxford station.
Electrification won't be happening at the initial stage, but if GWML and MML wires get the go-ahead, followed by XC, then Oxford-Bletchley-Bedford would be an obviously useful bit of infill, allowing freight diversions in particular when regular routes are blocked/under maintenance.
Class 168s, like other Turbostars, are already cleared for 100mph.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 17:01, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Does anyone know whether the intended re-engine of the Chiltern Railways 165/0's fleet will see their top speed increased from 75mph to 90/100mph?
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 17:12, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Chiltern are re-engineering their 168 fleet for better acceleration to match the 172s'.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:16, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
They want to re-engine their 168s to 100 mph (to get 90 min timings London - Birminham). I doubt they'll change their 165s.
However, they will probably order more 172s (100 mph) to run the Oxford services.
However, they will probably order more 172s (100 mph) to run the Oxford services.
As Willc said, 168's are already 100mph trains. And as I've said before, I'll believe this 90 minute headline timing when I see it!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 18:06, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So will I! I can't see it as possible, as it includes stops.
Chiltern will not be able to cut stops (even on one train) because their B'ham to London trains provide the regular half hourly service for most stations between Dorridge and High Wycombe.
And consider that the WCML is 125 mph and with 4 stops is not much less than 90 mins!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by G.Uard at 19:14, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Why end here

when it could end here?

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 21:55, 29th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by willc at 00:46, 30th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
But headline timings and regular timings aren't the same thing.
The huge BR sign on the old Royal Mail depot at Curzon Street in Birmingham back in the 1980s proclaiming 'Birmingham-London in 91 minutes' or whatever it was applied to one or two trains a day each way, Monday-Friday only - 100 minutes was more like it the rest of the time.
Chiltern might be able to pull off a near 90-minute timing for the odd train, if yet more money is spent on extra capacity in north-west London and reinstating through loops at Buckinghamshire stations - and they don't get stuck behind a Freightliner between Banbury and Leamington - but is it really worth it?
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 03:10, 30th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Chiltern might be able to pull off a near 90-minute timing for the odd train, if yet more money is spent on extra capacity in north-west London and reinstating through loops at Buckinghamshire stations - and they don't get stuck behind a Freightliner between Banbury and Leamington - but is it really worth it?
Indeed. A largely 90mph railway between Marylebone and Princes Risborough would only save a maximum of 2-4 minutes over the present schedule. After that it's already 100mph all the way to Banbury except for through Bicester and Aynho Junction (In Aynho's case, with the best will in the world, 60mph is the absolute max in the down direction). My advice: Spend the money wisely, forget cheap headlines, knock 10 minutes off of the current London-Birmingham schedules, keep on providing a quality alternative to Virgin, and watch the cash flow in to the coffers!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by eightf48544 at 10:02, 30th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As I understand Chilterns plans as outlined by there then timetable planner the 90 minute timing to Moor Street would be a regular timing with stops.
It would be achieved by re-enging the 165 with the 172 power train thus making them 100 mph units. Increses in line speeds South of Anyho up to 100 plus provion of bi directional fast lines at several stations between Marylebone and Banbury.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 18:30, 30th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As I said before, they won't be headline services.
Chiltern provide the regular off peak half-hourly/hourly service for most of the route - including te B'ham end, CT/LM stopped most running south of Dorridge some years ago.
So they won't be able to just cut stops off to make a couple of "headline" services.
The minimum stops will be Moor Street, Solihul, Dorridge, Warwick Parkway, Warwick Town, Leamington, Banbury, Bicester, Princes Ris, High W, London. Lapworth and Hatton will require an hourly service. H & Thame Parkway will need some trains.
But I doubt they'll be able to do it, even if the whole route was 100 mph.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by stebbo at 22:27, 30th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
If some of the through lines at stations like Princes Risborourgh, High Wycombe, Beaconsfield, Denham could be reinstated then a faster Chiltern service is a possibility. Shame about Gerrards Cross with the platform narrowing and the Tesco monstrosity
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by John R at 22:33, 30th January 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
But apparently the new tunnel will have room for 4 tracks. (Some tunnel!)
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by stebbo at 11:11, 1st February 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What is the point in the Tesco tunnel having four tracks when the platforms were altered in such a way as to squeeze out the old through lines and the cutting beyond has, as I recall only space for the current double track?
Perhaps the idea is that stoppers have to go into the tunnel to wait for fast trains to overtake. I'm sure local residents of Gerrards Cross would love that....... Hard hats all round.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:10, 16th February 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The East-West Rail Consortium have released an updated report on the Central Section of the proposed route covering the route between Bletchley and Cambridge/Stansted/Peterborough. That's the section that will be the most difficult to implement as it involves new track for several miles. It's quite a weighty document but is an interesting read, especially as it gives preliminary timetable options for the route with preferred options of a link from Stewartby to Luton and then on to Stevenage, or the original proposed route of a link from Bedford to Sandy.
Downloadable here: http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/reports/documents/CentralSectionReport-February2009.pdf
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 19:43, 6th November 2009 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The EWR consortium have issued a press release http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/news/documents/PRESSRELEASE-EWRC271009.pdf
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 18:35, 8th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A little after the December 2009 date hoped for, but the East-West Rail Consortium has now published their GRIP 4 survey findings.
Press release here: http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/news/documents/PRESSRELEASE-EWRC080610.pdf
Non-technical summary here: http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/reports/documents/EWRDraftOutlineBusinessCaseNTS_08062010_Final.pdf
The core scheme would give an hourly Milton Keynes to Oxford service, an hourly Milton Keynes to Marylebone via Aylesbury service, and retain the present hourly Bedford to Bletchley service. The preferred scheme extends the Milton Keynes to Oxford service through to Reading, and provides a second train per hour by extending the Bedford to Bletchley service through to Oxford and then on to Reading. Either scheme would be very welcome in my opinion!
Overall, a very positive document, including a headline BCR of 5 - but still plenty of work to be done given the current financial climate!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 19:30, 8th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The report shows great vision and should be built, the possibility of a Reading to Milton Keynes opens up so much potential, its a shame that I don't think the current Government will have the longsighted vision.
I do hope the consortium achieve this
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Phil at 20:37, 8th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hate to get political but I have to ask...
I don't think the current Government will have the longsighted vision.
Do you honestly think ANY Government would have that kind of vision? And if so, who?
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:51, 9th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Do you honestly think ANY Government would have that kind of vision? And if so, who?
How about the Government's of most other countries across the world?

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by grandsire at 17:29, 9th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Its interesting that both the East-West consortium and the preferred line of HS2 both want to use the old Great Central track bed between Aylesbury and Calvert Jcn. Can both be accomodated ( my recollection is it was only ever a double track line).
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 18:23, 9th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I looked at this a while ago, and one of the significant points not shown on the DfT published maps is that there will be loops either side of the HS line past Calvert, with a connection via a 'SE/NE' curve to the Bicester/Bletchley route for engineering train access to the HS line. This curve already exists but will also be needed by Chiltern to Milton Keynes as proposed by East West rail. I think there are many details off the main HS route yet to become clear, these quotes are from the HS2 engineering report:
"In the Calvert area, an HS2 infrastructure maintenance depot is
proposed. The depot would be alongside the existing East - West Rail
route between Bicester and Bletchley, near Steeple Claydon. Placing the
depot here would allow maintenance trains and on-track plant (for
example ballast trains) use the WCML at Bletchley to gain access to HS2.
There would be a link connecting HS2 to East ^ West Rail, which itself
would need to be grade-separated over HS2, potentially involving
re-alignment and raising over a distance of up to 3km. The critical
distance associated with the design on HS2 is the loop lines adjacent to
the main line. There would need to be provision for locomotives to run
round their engineering trains. Turnouts to and from HS2 and East ^ West
rail would be needed, and 80kph switches were assumed. The link to and
from East ^ West rail would need to be capable of bi-directional
operation. The depot itself was modelled on the Singlewell Depot on HS1."
"Further investigation is needed to devise an optimum layout accommodating
the existing lines, the HS2 line, and the spur to the maintenance depot."
proposed. The depot would be alongside the existing East - West Rail
route between Bicester and Bletchley, near Steeple Claydon. Placing the
depot here would allow maintenance trains and on-track plant (for
example ballast trains) use the WCML at Bletchley to gain access to HS2.
There would be a link connecting HS2 to East ^ West Rail, which itself
would need to be grade-separated over HS2, potentially involving
re-alignment and raising over a distance of up to 3km. The critical
distance associated with the design on HS2 is the loop lines adjacent to
the main line. There would need to be provision for locomotives to run
round their engineering trains. Turnouts to and from HS2 and East ^ West
rail would be needed, and 80kph switches were assumed. The link to and
from East ^ West rail would need to be capable of bi-directional
operation. The depot itself was modelled on the Singlewell Depot on HS1."
"Further investigation is needed to devise an optimum layout accommodating
the existing lines, the HS2 line, and the spur to the maintenance depot."
Paul
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 18:46, 9th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Its interesting that both the East-West consortium and the preferred line of HS2 both want to use the old Great Central track bed between Aylesbury and Calvert Jcn. Can both be accomodated ( my recollection is it was only ever a double track line).
My guess is there will be stations along the HS2 route to appease the natives allowing something similar to SE Trains HS1 service, Calvert Jcn are could be an ideal location E-W and HS2 meeting point and not far from the M40 etc
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Adrian the Rock at 20:50, 10th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Its interesting that both the East-West consortium and the preferred line of HS2 both want to use the old Great Central track bed between Aylesbury and Calvert Jcn. Can both be accomodated ( my recollection is it was only ever a double track line).
I'm sure I've read somewhere that when the GC (MS&L London Extension) was built, the formation was made wide enough everywhere so that 4-tracking would be readily possible if needed. As it turned out, of course, the need never arose.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by willc at 23:18, 10th June 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not judging by the pictures in this fascinating gallery of photos taken during the construction of the GC which are now in the Leicestershire county archive, although they cover the full route through other counties as well.
http://prints.leics.gov.uk/prints-7469/the-last-main-line-gallery.html
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 18:34, 10th July 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Another document published by East West Rail Consortium Grip 4 Outline Business Case - Final Report Non Technical Summary
http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/reports/documents/EWRGRIP4BusinessCaseNon-TechnicalSummaryJuly2010.pdf
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 00:11, 10th November 2010 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
An update on the project, with news that the DfT has agreed that the East West Rail (Western section) should be assessed for inclusion in the next HLOS covering 2014-2019.
The consortium hopes to have the Western Section up and running by 2017. We will see...
http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/news/documents/EWRCInformationBulletin_Nov2010w.pdf
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:01, 22nd May 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A 5-minute video, which to be honest is full of flashy graphics and little new information, has been released summarising the project. Useful for those that know little about the scheme.
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/video/
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 17:03, 22nd May 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A 5-minute video, which to be honest is full of flashy graphics and little new information, has been released summarising the project. Useful for those that know little about the scheme.
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/video/
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/video/
This could be classed as progress, and they have snazzed up the website.
Looks like the project still has legs
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:25, 19th August 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Oxford Economics have produced a report summarising the wider economic case for investment in the Western Section of the East West Rail project. There's a summary on the following link together with a link to download the full document.
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/the_project/the-economic-case-for-investment/
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 21:13, 20th August 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Oxford Economics have produced a report summarising the wider economic case for investment in the Western Section of the East West Rail project. There's a summary on the following link together with a link to download the full document.
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/the_project/the-economic-case-for-investment/
Also a Progress Report http://eastwestrail.org.uk/progress-report-august-2011/ and "East West Rail can help economic development" http://eastwestrail.org.uk/east-west-rail-can-help-economic-development/http://eastwestrail.org.uk/the_project/the-economic-case-for-investment/
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by anthony215 at 15:51, 8th October 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Just read this online:
http://www.transportxtra.com/magazines/local_transport_today/news/?id=28284
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 15:55, 8th October 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I didn't think I saw it on that NR document on CP5....but it was so large, I expected to have missed it
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by John R at 19:04, 8th October 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Though in discussion of the need for further capacity enhancements to the Southampton - West Coast ML freight corridor, the following bullet is listed:-
* possible use of the East / West (Oxford / Bletchley) link to be used as a
capacity/diversionary opportunity between Oxford ^ Leamington;
* Melksham ^ possible enhancements to an existing gauge clearance scheme; and...
So clearly the EW route is still on the radar. (Second bullet point shown as it may be of interest to certain people.)
It had previously occurred to me that if Reading to Basingstoke is wired, which seems quite likely in the next ten years, then an electrified EW Rail link would enable fully electric freight haulage between Southampton and Birmingham, as well as an alternative route as traffic grows rapidly (which is already happening).
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 19:07, 8th October 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think it is a similar reason to when we discussed HS2 earlier. East West rail is not really part of the current network, and is to rely on third party funding, so it isn't right for Network Rail (NR) to discuss it being built yet...
PS - found another reference in the section of the enhancements list about Oxford corridor capacity improvements:
a double junction at Oxford North to facilitate increased capacity of connection to the
Bicester line (subject to the progression of East West railway).
Bicester line (subject to the progression of East West railway).
Paul
Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 17:29, 3rd November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The latest Rail magazine has a short piece about E/W Rail not getting much of a mention in the IIP, and the consortium has confirmed this is as expected, basically because it isn't a NR or TOC sponsored project. The implication is that it ought to be fed into the HLOS by DfT.
Paul
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:31, 3rd November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 18:02, 3rd November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Which will be where RAil got their article from.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by anthony215 at 16:03, 15th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Just found this on the BBC democracy live page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_9639000/9639614.stm
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by eightf48544 at 09:28, 16th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Interesting points John R unfortunately they aren't new. Shades of the 1955 Modernisation plan with the flyover and the proposed yard at Swanbourne with the line being used as round London freight route.
However, your points are still valid. It seems to me that it is almost essential that once Reading Oxford is electrified Reading Basingstoke and Oxford Bletchley should be as well for the reasons given. Both would be relatively easy and cheap schemes to add on as part of a rolling programme once the GWML elctrification is complete.
However we are up against the "bean counters" in the Treasury who just love to say NO to any sensible investment.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:48, 16th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Just found this on the BBC democracy live page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_9639000/9639614.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_9639000/9639614.stm
Thanks for the link. An interesting, and 99% positive, discussion on the project. Good to hear Teresa Villiers sound so positive too. A 30-minute debate like that is really more about demonstrating to the wider world how much cross-party support such a project has, rather than actual serious debate, but the fact it has got that far is very positive.
Interesting to hear the minister talking of Chiltern's 'Evergreen 3' as definitely going ahead with no mention of it still being subject to agreement from her new boss!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 11:00, 16th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, I thought that!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 10:57, 28th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In the FT (behind a subscription wall)....
Financial Times. November 28, 2011
Signal green for ^Varsity^ line reopening
By Mark Odell and George Parker
Ministers are expected to give the go-ahead to re-open part of the Oxford to Cambridge railway line, closed in the wake of the Beeching cuts in the 1960s, as part of a key infrastructure announcement.
Under the ^250m scheme, passenger services between Oxford and Bedford ^ withdrawn by British Rail in 1967 ^ will resume by 2017. The main part of the project involves re-laying and upgrading mothballed track between Bicester and Bletchley that was last used for freight services in the mid-1990s.
The scheme is expected to be one of the surprises among 40 key infrastructure projects the government is due to announce on Tuesday (Chancellor's "Autumn Statement"), which will include schemes already under way or well advanced in the planning process.
Supporters of the project, which include the local county and borough councils, have campaigned since the mid-1990s to get the route re-opened, arguing that it will bring considerable economic benefits by linking the fast-growing city of Milton Keynes to academic and research centres in Oxford.
Under their calculations, the route will generate more than ^6 in economic benefit for every ^1 invested, a key government measure of the value of big infrastructure projects. The benefit figure would rise to ^11 if the scheme were 15 per cent funded by the private sector, they argue.
The government is expected to instruct Network Rail, the owner of the UK rail network, to include the scheme in the list of projects it has put forward for the next funding period between 2014 and 2019 (IIP & CP5).
The re-opened line would allow passengers to bypass London by linking the west of England with the Midlands and the north. It would connect with Great Western services at Didcot and Reading and with West Coast services at Milton Keynes and Midland mainline services at Bedford.
The full scheme, known as East West Rail, ultimately envisages fully re-opening the old route between Oxford and Cambridge, dubbed the Varsity or Brain Line, which closed in the aftermath of the restructuring of Britain^s railways by Dr Richard Beeching in the 1960s.
But since part of the old route between Bedford and Cambridge has been built on, ministers have baulked at the idea of trying to build a new line.
Re-opening the stretch between Oxford and Bedford also offers a political dividend for the Tories, as it runs through the constituencies of a number of Conservative MPs.
Separately, George Osborne is set to announce a cap on regulated rail fares in his autumn statement on Tuesday.
Season tickets and peak travel fares were due to rise by 8.2 per cent on average after the coalition government earlier this year increased the formula to 3 per cent above the retail price index rate of inflation.
The chancellor is now expected to announce the average fare will rise by 6.2 per cent, and that the cap will also apply to Tube and bus fares in London.
Public transport lobby groups had warned of a backlash from commuters in the south-east ^ where the constituencies of the four transport ministers are located ^ if the government left rail fare rises unchanged while appeasing the motoring lobby by acting on fuel duty.
The government is expected either to freeze or to delay the imminent full 3p increase in fuel duty.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5ee150f0-1919-11e1-92d8-00144feabdc0.html
Signal green for ^Varsity^ line reopening
By Mark Odell and George Parker
Ministers are expected to give the go-ahead to re-open part of the Oxford to Cambridge railway line, closed in the wake of the Beeching cuts in the 1960s, as part of a key infrastructure announcement.
Under the ^250m scheme, passenger services between Oxford and Bedford ^ withdrawn by British Rail in 1967 ^ will resume by 2017. The main part of the project involves re-laying and upgrading mothballed track between Bicester and Bletchley that was last used for freight services in the mid-1990s.
The scheme is expected to be one of the surprises among 40 key infrastructure projects the government is due to announce on Tuesday (Chancellor's "Autumn Statement"), which will include schemes already under way or well advanced in the planning process.
Supporters of the project, which include the local county and borough councils, have campaigned since the mid-1990s to get the route re-opened, arguing that it will bring considerable economic benefits by linking the fast-growing city of Milton Keynes to academic and research centres in Oxford.
Under their calculations, the route will generate more than ^6 in economic benefit for every ^1 invested, a key government measure of the value of big infrastructure projects. The benefit figure would rise to ^11 if the scheme were 15 per cent funded by the private sector, they argue.
The government is expected to instruct Network Rail, the owner of the UK rail network, to include the scheme in the list of projects it has put forward for the next funding period between 2014 and 2019 (IIP & CP5).
The re-opened line would allow passengers to bypass London by linking the west of England with the Midlands and the north. It would connect with Great Western services at Didcot and Reading and with West Coast services at Milton Keynes and Midland mainline services at Bedford.
The full scheme, known as East West Rail, ultimately envisages fully re-opening the old route between Oxford and Cambridge, dubbed the Varsity or Brain Line, which closed in the aftermath of the restructuring of Britain^s railways by Dr Richard Beeching in the 1960s.
But since part of the old route between Bedford and Cambridge has been built on, ministers have baulked at the idea of trying to build a new line.
Re-opening the stretch between Oxford and Bedford also offers a political dividend for the Tories, as it runs through the constituencies of a number of Conservative MPs.
Separately, George Osborne is set to announce a cap on regulated rail fares in his autumn statement on Tuesday.
Season tickets and peak travel fares were due to rise by 8.2 per cent on average after the coalition government earlier this year increased the formula to 3 per cent above the retail price index rate of inflation.
The chancellor is now expected to announce the average fare will rise by 6.2 per cent, and that the cap will also apply to Tube and bus fares in London.
Public transport lobby groups had warned of a backlash from commuters in the south-east ^ where the constituencies of the four transport ministers are located ^ if the government left rail fare rises unchanged while appeasing the motoring lobby by acting on fuel duty.
The government is expected either to freeze or to delay the imminent full 3p increase in fuel duty.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5ee150f0-1919-11e1-92d8-00144feabdc0.html
Transport Briefing picked the leaks up too....
Transport Briefing (@transportb)
28/11/2011 09:07
Transpennine electrification, Kingkerswell bypass, Tyne & Wear Metro and East West Rail all mentioned in ^5bn infrastructure plan leaks
28/11/2011 09:07
Transpennine electrification, Kingkerswell bypass, Tyne & Wear Metro and East West Rail all mentioned in ^5bn infrastructure plan leaks
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:38, 28th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for the link. Fingers crossed...
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 12:58, 28th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
To add to the growing impetus regarding this route, East West Rail have published a prospectus for the western section on their website:
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EWR-prospectus-web-2.pdf
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 17:06, 28th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So, what about the bats...

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 18:47, 28th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So, what about the bats... 
They will, hopefully, stay roosted in the Westminster belfry 

Good progress in the business case is also being made for the MML electrification Bedford to Sheffield
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:13, 29th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thumbs up from the Chancellor today then. Marvellous!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by gwr2006 at 13:47, 29th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The Chancellor announced in his Autumn Statement today that the Government is committed to developing the East West Rail link between Oxford, Bicester, Aylesbury, Milton Keynes and Bedford, for which the East West Consortium has demonstrated a strong case.
Network Rail has been asked to develop the scheme further with the Consortium and other stakeholders. Subject to a satisfactory local contribution to the cost of the project (whatever that is) and a satisfactory business case, the Government will announce how it will take forward this scheme in summer 2012.
Provided the conditions have been met, Network Rail will then work with the East West Rail Consortium, to deliver the scheme set out by the Consortium in its November 2011 Prospectus. The Government will provide funding to Network Rail, subject to the Consortium meeting a share of the costs, as set out in the Prospectus."
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:33, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Anyone got any thoughts as to who might want to operate this service?
Chiltern would seem probable favourites given that they already operate the Marylebone to Aylesbury Vale Parkway service and between Oxford and Bicester Town, though our own MD indicated to me that FGW would be interested and it might be easier to integrate a change like that into a new Greater Western franchise. Not only that, but FGW will have potential traction in the form of displaced Turbos post electrification that could be used to operate the service. It would also be wise not to discount London Midland who run the existing service on the Bletchley to Bedford/Milton Keynes sections.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 11:38, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I reckon it'll either be added to the new FGW franchise or become its own separate franchise. One thing's for sure - Chiltern haven't got the stock.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 12:01, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I reckon it'll either be added to the new FGW franchise or become its own separate franchise. One thing's for sure - Chiltern haven't got the stock.
It isn't that long ago that one of the rail mags reported on an interview with Adrain Shooter in which he implied a complete lack of interest in EWR. But times change. Of course there is no reason why the whole thing should go to one TOC - the Aylesbury to Milton Keynes leg on its own definitely fits in well with Chiltern, and as far as stock is concerned there seems very little reason why ex-FGW Turbos couldn't be transferred to Chiltern as they come off lease...
Paul
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 12:08, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Chiltern would need increased depot space & the turbos tripcocking....
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Electric train at 18:22, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I feel it will be a separate franchise, the consortium my even be looking for a TOC to partner it. It is likely to have its own stock, I thought also the plan is to electrify the line, this would fit in with current Government, ATOC, DfT, ORR and Network Rail (NR) policy
Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 19:47, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Surely a bit small for a franchise. We're talking about 2 routes neither are not self contained, nor short of links (so don't say "look at c2c")
The stock would not need LU signalling installed, as I believe they would run via HW. I doubt there are any spare paths via Amersham (then again, will there be enough paths via HW?!). Even so, they could still be terminated at Aylesbury as I doubt anyone will travel MK - London this way.
I would imagine CH for the Aylesbury route and XC or LM for the Oxford to Bedford route.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 22:06, 30th November 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The recently published EWR prospectus (dated this month) describes the Aylesbury service as:
"1 tph from Milton Keynes to London Marylebone as an extension of the existing service to
Aylesbury Vale Parkway with stops at Bletchley and Winslow."
So it shouldn't really be a problem to path it at all...
http://eastwestrail.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/EWR-prospectus-web-2.pdf
Paul
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 10:46, 1st December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Which, oddly, *would* necessitate said signalling equipment installing....
In any case, Chiltern won't want a few turbos without, would mean they couldn't be used on the LU route. Flexibility in usage is always a priority.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 11:26, 1st December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would assume they'd have to also increase the length of trains to cater for the extra passengers. Can the Marylebone platforms cope? I thought that in the peaks, space was getting tights, esp now with the loco hauled trains. Add in trains to Oxford...
I have seen a document where the map shows the service travelling via HW. There are some direct Aylesbury to London via HW services as well which could be extended. But I suppose they'd want the equipment installed for flexibility.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 11:29, 1st December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
that's why they talk about *extending* Aylesbury services - so no extra trains arriving into MYB.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 12:47, 1st December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Which, oddly, *would* necessitate said signalling equipment installing....
LU are resignalling the Met completely by 2018 anyway, so they'll have moved on from 'almost normal' signals with trainstops to something more like the latest ATO systems on the 'tube' lines, so the Chiltern fleet is going to have to be completely refitted anyway. (At least the Met Line units anyway.) The additonal costs of a few more units to run to Milton Keynes would be lost in the numbers.
Paul
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by Btline at 13:44, 1st December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
that's why they talk about *extending* Aylesbury services - so no extra trains arriving into MYB.
I know, but there are problems with the platforms not being long enough. CH often have 2 trains per platform in the peak, so there is a limit on length, especially if the loco hauled set is one of them. I assume they'll have to make the trains longer to cater for the extra passengers.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 14:11, 1st December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
6 car platfoerms ought to be long enough. Frankly, it's not going to generate much traffic from myb to Milton Keynes, is it?
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 01:23, 2nd December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
6 car platfoerms ought to be long enough. Frankly, it's not going to generate much traffic from myb to Milton Keynes, is it?
That's right. The 'Met' line is at it's busiest between Amersham and Marylebone where the only extra custom generated from extending the service from/to Milton Keynes will be that generated from Winslow - hardly likely to be massive.
I think 'Btline' is missing the point of this link, which is primarily to provide connections from Aylesbury and the surrounding area with Milton Keynes and the wider WCML. I personally doubt it has huge potential, unlike the Oxford arm of the service which I will happily predict I think will be a resounding success.
Anyone got any thoughts as to who might want to operate this service?
Chiltern would seem probable favourites given that they already operate the Marylebone to Aylesbury Vale Parkway service and between Oxford and Bicester Town, though our own MD indicated to me that FGW would be interested and it might be easier to integrate a change like that into a new Greater Western franchise.
Chiltern would seem probable favourites given that they already operate the Marylebone to Aylesbury Vale Parkway service and between Oxford and Bicester Town, though our own MD indicated to me that FGW would be interested and it might be easier to integrate a change like that into a new Greater Western franchise.
Mark Hopwood specifically mentioned the new link in his weekly staff column this week. Going as far as to say that FGW would be delighted to take it on board in the new franchise (provided they get it of course), and would do all they could to persuade the DfT!
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:32, 5th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A bit of good publicity for the route:
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/clientmicrosite/Content/Detail.aspx?ClientId=202&NewsAreaId=2&ReleaseID=422343&SubjectId=36
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by anthony215 at 12:09, 5th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I do hope the east weast route is wired, that does give FGW and advantage as they could extend the stopping service from London Reading - Oxford through to Milton Keynes.
Thats if they have enough class 319's or other EMU's
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by ChrisB at 15:41, 5th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It won't get wired.
There's nowt in the consortium's costings for it.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by grandsire at 22:12, 6th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I thought we had reached the stage where ROSCOs do not want to fund new dmus because of their perceived unlikelyhood to find work in 10, 15 or 20 years time. So does this not mean a continued programme of electrification? In respect of the EW route it is supposed to offer a new cross country option from Birmingham to Reading, and is there not a tentative plan to put an electric coach into the Voyagers? Given that its presumably cheaper to get a lot of the electrification gear into place during the rebuilding of the line, rather than retrofitting it later it could be worth putting a small bet on a change of plan and the line, at least west of MK being electrified?
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by eightf48544 at 22:29, 6th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Routes like this are worth eletrifying not just for their own sake, quiter smoother faster ride for passengers, plus the "sparks" effect on passenger numbers, but once Oxford Padd is done it would form a West Coast fully electrified diversionary route especialy if Acton - Acton Wells - Willesden ML is done as well it could even serve Euston.
Also doing Blechley - Bedford would stop the need to drag EMUS from Bedford to Blechley and if the MML is done North of Bedford yet more journey opportunities.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by paul7575 at 11:31, 7th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In respect of the EW route it is supposed to offer a new cross country option from Birmingham to Reading, and is there not a tentative plan to put an electric coach into the Voyagers?
The original proposal in the EWR project papers was that it would allow for the cross country service from the South Coast and Reading to Manchesterand the NW to avoid Birmingham, ie by using the Trent Valley.
This has been discussed elsewhere and no-one thought it was a viable proposal, because the vast majority of the existing passengers are people going to and from the Birmingham area. Now if it was an additional service there might be something useful about it.
But I can't see it being electrified, at least until the Chiltern routes are at the top of the list...
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by eightf48544 at 13:15, 7th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The Scots seem to do this much beter than we do. When they reopened Addrie to Bathgate it was rebuilt as an electrified railway from the start.
OK it's probaly shorter thhn Oxford to Bedford but the EW line already links with an electrified mainline (WCML) and will link to a 2nd in 2016 (GWML) and to third currently Thameslink Southward but hopefully extended Northward down the MML slightly later.
So it seems to me it should be rebuilt as an electridifed line throughout from the start.
It could be financed with 6% 25 year railway bonds. The city would snap them up
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by chuffed at 13:12, 13th December 2011 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Bats won't halt rail plans
THE threat of bats in a railway tunnel near Wolvercote holding up a new Rail service from Oxford to London Marylebone looks to have been lifted.
Chiltern Railways and Natural England have told the Government they are close to solving the bat problem to get the ^130m scheme back on track.
Transport Secretary Justine Greening last month revealed the risk to bats and great crested newts presented a major obstacle to Evergreen 3^s scheme to create a fast Oxford-Bicester-London service.
Chiltern Railways and Natural England were given until today to set out measures to resolve the problem, that had resulted in the scheme being denied approval by a planning inspector.
The rail company and environment group told the Oxford Mail they had met the deadline with new proposals submitted to the Government, although the details have not been made public.
Natural England spokesman Melissa Gill said: ^Natural England met with Chiltern Railways and agreed a way forward in respect of the outstanding issues surrounding bats in the tunnel.
^We will continue to work closely with Chiltern Railways to assist them in addressing these matters in their revised application. We have confirmed to the Department for Transport that in principle there is a good prospect of a licence being granted if outstanding issues are dealt with in the way that we agreed, should the Department for Transport issue the transport works order.^
News that the planning inspector had withheld approval from the massive scheme came as a blow to commuters who had been looking forward to a new service within three years.
The inspector said the bats used the tunnel for roosts and foraging.
And he warned more trains travelling at higher speed would put bats at risk and make the tunnel unusable for them.
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by IndustryInsider at 19:21, 16th July 2012 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Bats won't halt rail plans
Here's the East West Rail Consortium's press release concerning the go-ahead of the project in CP5.
http://www.eastwestrail.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/East-West-Rail-release-FINAL.pdf
One wonders if the few campaingers against the scheme, most of which seem to live in North Oxford, will now give up the fight. Or, now claim that loads of bats will be killed by flying into overhead electrified railway lines.

Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by mjones at 20:15, 16th July 2012 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Never mind the bats, just wait for all the scare stories about power lines and leukaemia...
Re: East - West Rail update (Oxford to Bedford) - ongoing discussion Posted by JayMac at 20:28, 16th July 2012 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
....and all the stories (most of which will be in the Daily Mail) about OverHead- Line Equipment (OHLE) affecting views and house prices and spoiling Victorian railway architecture......
Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym