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« on: December 11, 2011, 22:35:43 » |
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Now, train staff are taught to avoid conflict, but members of the public aren't..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKKADFIEX84&feature=colike |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2011, 23:20:36 » |
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Excellent!  Just a thought. This video might go viral and end up on Daily Mail. What will happen to the guard? I hope they get praised for not letting him off! |
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 15:20:44 » |
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Not really entirely sure what I think of this in all honesty. It's very satisfying to see the abusive, ticketless passenger being removed from the train (which was clearly also appreciated by the passengers on board) but I'm not sure whether that could be deemed to be "reasonable force" in the circumstances. I'd have thought that there's at least a possibility of the passenger who intervened finding himself on the wrong end of some legal proceedings - not saying that this is right or wrong, just that it seems like it could well happen. I would hope also that none of this comes back to bite the conductor, either in terms of company proceedings or worse.
Edited for context after merging threads together
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 16:36:50 » |
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If I were the guy administering the punishment i'd be concered at the possible assault charges...
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 16:43:35 » |
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Quite glad it happened. I hope the "big man" doesn't get mauled by the Daily Mail. I can already see the article:
"shocked commuters will stunned as the man picked the person up and threw him onto the platform"
"trembling children didn't know what was going on"
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I doubt the guard will get into trouble - indeed he should be praised by ScotRail for not simply taking the easy way out - especially given it was dark and he was alone (i.e. no RPIs▸ /BTP▸ ). That's how it should be done. I've known several guards that take the same attitude. Unfortunately, I also see others that don't...
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 18:28:00 » |
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From the BBC» : Probe after passenger throws fare-dodger off train
An investigation has been launched after a fare-dodger was hauled off a train by a passenger who stepped in to help the conductor.
The incident on the Edinburgh to Perth train was filmed and has received more than 300,000 hits on YouTube.
The footage, taken by a passenger on Friday, shows a youth refusing to pay for his ticket or get off the train.
A big man then gets up, grabs the youth and appears to throw him onto the platform at Linlithgow, West Lothian.
The man then twice stops the teenager getting back on the train before returning to his seat to a round of applause from passengers.
A ScotRail spokeswoman, said: "While we welcome the public's support of our zero-tolerance stance on anti-social behaviour, our staff are trained in conflict management and we do not expect members of the public to take matters into their own hands.
"We are investigating the incident, which appears to show a person travelling without a valid ticket, refusing to pay for the journey, and swearing at a staff member in full view of customers."
A British Transport Police spokesman, said: "We are aware of the YouTube video and our inquiries are ongoing.
"British Transport Police did not receive a complaint from anyone on the train at the time the incident is believed to have taken place."
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 18:44:04 » |
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Fudge...how embarrassing. Committed the cardinal sin of starting duplicate threads...excuse me whilst I tidy up after myself  |
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Btline
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 14:53:17 » |
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 18:34:00 » |
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As the young man thrown off the train has been traced and given his side of the story, I've changed this thread title slightly to reflect the possibility that he may well have had a valid ticket.
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 19:27:34 » |
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i really doubt that he has seen the video he was clearly asked at least twice for his ticket.... unless he is stating that in his 'sleepy' state that he didn't realize that he had passed his station ..... caugh bull&*^%,.... you never know this may be the case, still no excuse for his language, we dont know what happened before filming started... in that environment however throwing him off the train could have been very dangerous if he ended up down the side of the train
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 19:56:35 » |
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As this matter is now the subject of an official investigation, I've moved this topic from 'the lighter side' to here: please bear in mind the possible consequences for any / all three of the parties involved (conductor, young man and the big man) when discussing it further here. Thanks, CfN.  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2011, 23:37:24 » |
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Interesting this one: a quick scan of the comments on a Guardian article here... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/13/big-man-throws-passenger-train...seems to indicate more or less unanimous support for the conductor and Big Man, whereas the Daily Hate comments section has several people complaining about how it's "disgusting" that force was used. Never expected that! |
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2011, 23:41:10 » |
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However: also note how many of those comments posted to the Daily Mail article which criticize the conductor or 'the big man' have promptly been voted down ... ?
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2011, 23:47:30 » |
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An article here gives what appears to be a more detailed summary of the situation before and after the incident: http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2011/12/13/train-fare-dodger-revealed/However: also note how many of those comments posted to the Daily Mail article which criticize the conductor or 'the big man' have promptly been voted down ... ?
True, but the "raging Grauniad-reading lefties" (a category, incidentally, with which I would self-identify!) didn't leave anywhere near as many critical comments in the first place...  |
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