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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2011, 20:09:51 » |
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From the MK▸ 3 Point of view a number of off lease buffet vehicles are to be converted to TS spec , Dont assume that the buffets in question will be the ones that FGW▸ took off lease when the 17 TSMB Vehicles were converted.
As there are a number of ex Virgin buffets which havent run for years and will need a lot of work to reinstate, these may be deemed more suitable for conversion by the owning ROSCO» , leaving some of the better ex FGW ones as spares.
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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2011, 20:24:48 » |
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Sorry Dog Box - but this did conjure up a rather inappropriate image in my mind!!! |
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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2011, 20:51:10 » |
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Sorry Dog Box - but this did conjure up a rather inappropriate image in my mind!!! Defiled buffets oooooooooooo errrrrrrrrrrrrr    These extra seats are very much needed the release of 165/6 will help the backed out TV services until the GW▸ electrification services start later in the decade |
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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2011, 21:49:50 » |
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I suppose it would be too much to ask that the Mk3 buffets are converted to lower density standard class and used on the far west services, substituting for a toast-rack coach that would be added to the Bristol trains?
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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2011, 21:54:45 » |
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Just trying to understand the Mk 3 buffet point. It talks about converting them to standard, and being extra, so am I right to assume that they are taking the off lease vehicles, stripping out the buffets and making them all seating (TSOs▸ ). Or are they simply taking the in service full buffets and converting the seating to standard.
If the former, it'll be a bit ironic that they went to all the trouble of building the micro buffets into existing TSOs and now they are converting full buffets to TSOs. Still, mustn't complain too much.
It appears that the only impact on Bristol commuters is in respect of the HST▸ lengthening, as the extra Class 150 vehicles replace Class 153 vehicles?
On BBC» Points West this evening, Matthew Golton ( FGW▸ Director) was shown, walking through an HST carriage with a BBC reporter, explaining that the First Class seating and micro buffets would all be completely stripped out and replaced with (I think) 94 standard seats? Sorry, I may have misheard the number of seats - I was cooking dinner at the time!  |
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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2011, 22:06:59 » |
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Have posted some info on Cascade thread. Some of that cross mixes with this announcement
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« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2011, 22:21:16 » |
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The former - the buffets that were removed originally (in the original franchise spec) to make 2+7s
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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2011, 22:29:13 » |
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No 1st Class for Reading - Basingstoke. I assume there aren't many (or any) 1st Class season ticket holders from the intermediate stations on this route.
No toilets either.
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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2011, 22:35:51 » |
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If they are using the prototype units on the bsk service they could easily add first class if deemed worth it to do so
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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2011, 22:36:46 » |
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I suppose it would be too much to ask that the Mk3 buffets are converted to lower density standard class and used on the far west services, substituting for a toast-rack coach that would be added to the Bristol trains?
It would, yes. 15 trailers is a drop in the ocean in relative terms: why on earth would FGW▸ mess around converting fifteen non-standard vehicles and them trying to keep track of them so that they were dedicated to WoE services? Quite apart from the fact that there would likely only be one in any given train. Really don't see that this would achieve anything at all. |
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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2011, 22:48:23 » |
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And while I'm around (this purely my personal observation, by the way, and not an admonition to anyone), I'm susprised that what strikes me as an unequivocal "good news story" has inspired so much negative posting already.  |
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« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2011, 23:03:32 » |
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Grahame ...An HST▸ cannot run with out Coach A was it there but locked out of use
Maybe ... train was in reverse order at Paddington, and I can down to it from the Hammersmith and City Bridge. So can't be sure ... And while I'm around (this purely my personal observation, by the way, and not an admonition to anyone), I'm susprised that what strikes me as an unequivocal "good news story" has inspired so much negative posting already. Oh - it's good news. But it's also intensely disappointing to some of us. Just a couple of those carriages on the TransWilts would have made some really transformational differences. And since that would have diverted some passengers off the overcrowded Trowbridge -> Bath section, it would be relieving overcrowding as well as sorting out the TransWilts issue. |
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« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2011, 23:29:48 » |
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why on earth would FGW▸ mess around converting fifteen non-standard vehicles and them trying to keep track of them so that they were dedicated to WoE services? Quite apart from the fact that there would likely only be one in any given train. Really don't see that this would achieve anything at all.
Looked at in a similar way, I suppose the Adelantes would be a waste of time, as would first class. Alternatively, one might say "because its what is needed to attract some passengers to a 3hr journey..." PS I hope by 2017 that the incumbent franchisee has got the hang of separating Plymouth stock from Bristol stock... |
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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2011, 11:09:13 » |
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On BBC» Points West this evening, Matthew Golton ( FGW▸ Director) was shown, walking through an HST▸ carriage with a BBC reporter, explaining that the First Class seating and micro buffets would all be completely stripped out and replaced with (I think) 94 standard seats? Sorry, I may have misheard the number of seats - I was cooking dinner at the time! You did slightly - it's 84 seats in each buffet.....so luggage space & STD seating, I reckon. |
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2011, 11:34:26 » |
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Can anyone confirm how many 2+7 sets will still be in operation after the 15 vehicles have been added to make all the rest 2+8's? If my calculations are correct I think it's only going to be four or five?
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