Chiltern Evergreen 3 project - ongoing discussion

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[James]

Im confused, where does it say that ellen?

[Electric train]

Much of the route could be done through permitted development Wolvercote tunnel is an example where NR^» (Network Rail - home page) could have doubled that under PD (only complication was the bats) although Chiltern went down the TWA path for a number of reasons

[John R]

Im confused, where does it say that ellen?

The Judicial Review did not order Chiltern to commence work on the project. It simply removed the last obstacle that was preventing them starting work.

[James]

Thankyou John. Lets hope nothing else will be holding Chiltern back from creating a useful connection between Oxford and Bicester.

[James]

Just thought of an idea.
Now that chiltern are constructing the section between Oxford and Bicester, maybe a new project they could start is opening up the princes risborough to oxford route as it could deliver these things;
It could free up further paths on the gwml between paddington and oxford, by operating non stop chiltern express services between London Marylebone and Oxford then on to Worcester/Great Malvern and Hereford. Of course further upgrade work is needed, such as reinstatement of the through tracks through high wycombe, beaconsfield and the ruislip areas. Also with two additional tracks between South Ruislip and West Ruislip could mean that both stations can also get a every 15 minute service, very useful for tube connections!. Just have to see what further upgrades chiltern will do.

Edited just to mention that london marylebone is only 5 minutes away from baker street so virtually the same tube connections are avaliable as at London Paddington (although not sure how many more tube lines there are from Baker Street than Paddington). Guess i should check that one out

[IndustryInsider]

Now that chiltern are constructing the section between Oxford and Bicester, maybe a new project they could start is opening up the princes risborough to oxford route as it could deliver these things;

That was ruled out as too expensive.  See posts #259 and #260.

[paul7575]

Just thought of an idea.
Now that chiltern are constructing the section between Oxford and Bicester, maybe a new project they could start is opening up the princes risborough to oxford route as it could deliver these things;

I also linked to the report giving reasons why not in my earlier post #264.  You then replied that it was too long to read. 

Perhaps you could read it, because waiting a couple of weeks after it's been explained as not happening; and then repeating the same suggestion, isn't going to get anywhere...

Paul

[James]

My mistake sorry.

[TonyK]

(although not sure how many more tube lines there are from Baker Street than Paddington). Guess i should check that one out

Four apiece, I reckon.

[James]

(although not sure how many more tube lines there are from Baker Street than Paddington). Guess i should check that one out

Four apiece, I reckon.

I think your right however which tube line is closest to canary wharf, assuming as most commuters travel there?

[grahame]

I think your right however which tube line is closest to canary wharf, assuming as most commuters travel there?

They don't, though ...

Employment in London^s Canary Wharf financial district has almost quadrupled in the past decade, with the number of workers rising from 27,000 to over 100,000 in the space of 10 years, according to figures released by the Office for National Statistics.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b06a7f6e-0440-11e3-8aab-00144feab7de.html#axzz2cddsTTYD

There were 126,578 females (40% of total workforce) and 185, 555 males (60% of total workforce) working in the City of London 2001.

https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/environment-and-planning/planning/development-and-population-information/employment-and-visitors/Documents/DP_PL_CityofLondonWorkforceTravelSectionCInternet[1].pdf

The City data is old, but it's not going to have gone down by 75%!    That report also show you where people commute from.     For every 1 who commutes to Docklands, 3 commute into the City itself.   Now - how many go to Westminster ...

[James]

Hmm, thats interesting.
Well who ever travels to westminster may want a direct crossrail service, but opps there wont be one. Oh dear thats a shocker

[ChrisB]

James - your surname isn't Passant, is it?

[paul7575]

I just saw this piece about the Borders Railway:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-23973127

Does it make you think that the poor old bats don't rate such vocal objections if people in the locality actually want the railway to happen?

Paul

[TonyK]

Does it make you think that the poor old bats don't rate such vocal objections if people in the locality actually want the railway to happen?

Paul

It did make me think that at first, Paul7755, even though we know of a few people against the plan.

Later, I realised that is demonstrates the correct approach to the problem. The tunnel is a defined space, and was surveyed for evidence of breeding activity. If there had been, it would have been more difficult, but there wasn't. So alternative roosts were provided, and the tunnel sealed so the bats could get out, but not back in. They probably all left within a day. Problem solved, bats inconvenienced but unharmed, tunnel available for re-use. Like it!