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Author Topic: Ticket-on-departure with a non-Chip & Pin card  (Read 13585 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2011, 20:39:46 »

Chip and signature certainly works at stations, indeed its a bit quicker as the ticket on departure machines haven't been equipped with a signature pad so there is no delay waiting for the pin pad to activate and confirm the pin number matches.

I wonder if without a chip it will fall back to a magnetic strip check and issue the tickets.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2011, 21:30:03 »

No the self serve machines have chip readers only
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 21:52:47 »

Do the machines not read the mag stripe when the card is pulled out?  This is how it works on other devices with similar types of reader.
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2011, 16:53:07 »

There's been a (not very...) exciting development in this saga. My American card issuer has actually started offering Chip-and-Signature cards (it's a BA» (British Airways - about)-branded credit card so apparently there's been lots of demand from customers for chip cards to make their lives easier in Europe). So, is my understanding correct that, assuming I get my grubby paws on a chip-and-signature card before Christmas I can use this as normal in a Ticket on Departure machine? Don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the case but then logic doesn't always seem to apply in these situations.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2011, 16:57:21 »

Next time I need to collect some tickets, I might put a strip of insulating tape over the chip to see what happens.  I know for certain my card doesn't have a chip required marker on the mag stripe (as some now do).
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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2011, 17:01:02 »

Next time I need to collect some tickets, I might put a strip of insulating tape over the chip to see what happens.  I know for certain my card doesn't have a chip required marker on the mag stripe (as some now do).

worth pointing out that if the strip of tape comes off and gets jammed in the machine, thats classed as criminal damage
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2011, 17:09:20 »

I can just see CfN posting a link to the BTP (British Transport Police)'s press release with CCTV (Closed Circuit Tele-Vision) footage trying to trace the perpetrator in 4 - 6 weeks' time... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2011, 17:24:40 »

I'll have to dig out my hoodie...

In all seriousness, I've emailed FGW (First Great Western) to see what they say about the matter.  I remember when chip and PIN readers were first introduced in TVMs (Ticket Vending Machine), cards without chips were still accepted.  So I can only assume they still are now.
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2011, 18:24:04 »

it is possible that although all the self serve machines look the same, different toc's may have different machines internally
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2011, 08:10:26 »

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Thank you for your email of 21 November 2011 enquiring about collecting your tickets from the Ticket Machine.

I can confirm that you can collect the ticket irrespective of the card being a swipe card or a chip card. If the payment has been processed and you have recieved a reference number you can enter the details in the Ticket Vending Machine and get the tickets.

Thank you for contacting us.
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2011, 11:34:12 »

Well they must have different machines, if I was you I would collect your tickets in good time just incase
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2011, 14:11:06 »

Next time I need to collect some tickets, I might put a strip of insulating tape over the chip to see what happens.  I know for certain my card doesn't have a chip required marker on the mag stripe (as some now do).

worth pointing out that if the strip of tape comes off and gets jammed in the machine, thats classed as criminal damage

It's not criminal damage if it is a genuine accident, but I still don't think you should risk it.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2011, 14:12:59 »

No, I won't risk it as FGW (First Great Western) confirmed exactly what I thought would be the case.
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2011, 00:30:31 »

I can just see CfN posting a link to the BTP (British Transport Police)'s press release with CCTV (Closed Circuit Tele-Vision) footage trying to trace the perpetrator in 4 - 6 weeks' time... Roll Eyes

Did that put you off the idea?  Grin
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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2011, 09:39:50 »

Next time I need to collect some tickets, I might put a strip of insulating tape over the chip to see what happens.  I know for certain my card doesn't have a chip required marker on the mag stripe (as some now do).

worth pointing out that if the strip of tape comes off and gets jammed in the machine, thats classed as criminal damage

It's not criminal damage if it is a genuine accident, but I still don't think you should risk it.

How is altering a card to bypass the machines anti fraud measures an accident
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