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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2011, 16:43:22 » |
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Having re-checked NFM10 (valid from September 4th) the only fare priced ^24.60 I can see between Birmingham and Haddenham & Thame Parkway is the Off Peak Day Return. The Anytime Single is ^20.80, The Anytime Return is ^41.60.
Of course if a ticket clerk says that 10p ticket is valid via Marylebone then its valid. Quite how they've come to that conclusion I can't fathom. I'd want that allowance to travel via Marylebone in writing! Not only does The Routeing Guide disallow travel via Marylebone as that would fail the 'Fares Check Rule', there is no easement listed either. National Rail Enquiries and booking engines all disallow travel via Marylebone also.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2011, 19:21:58 » |
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In used outward timed @ 0600 and return toimed @ 1730 in chilterns own app & NRE‡. I got ^24.60 out from both for Monday 5th.
If you can't travel via MYB▸ , prsy tell me the difference in routing between Any Permitted & Not London. It is unlikely for those both to be the same!
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2011, 20:12:38 » |
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I've just looked at NRE‡ and the cheapest walk-up fare I'm being offered is ^41.60 for a Birmingham Moor Street to Haddenham & Thame Parkway Anytime Return. (see attachment). I can't speak for the Chiltern or NRE apps as I do not have a smartphone. Can you somehow screencap the results your getting, ChrisB? Is the Chiltern app letting you get as far as making a purchase of this ^24.60 fare for travel out on say the 0619 from Moor Street?
The two routeings are explained simply as errors in the fares database, as is the 10p fare. Chat on other forums is that someone cocked up when a special fare was added to the database. The correct fares for Haddenham - Wendover are those that are in the database for the reverse direction, with only one flow, the Any Permitted. I'm led to believe that Chiltern staff have been instructed not to sell the erroneous tickets. Anyone making a genuine journey between Haddenham and Wendover is to be sold an Any Permitted fare in the reverse direction, with the ticket suitably endorsed. The 'Not London' designation was added for the special fare only. There is not supposed to be two flows for this journey. Tickets at the incorrect price bought online or from the TVM▸ at Haddenham (or from any ticket office, if sold) are however valid for travel. But not via Marylebone. The only permitted route is the shortest one. Unless you get a Chiltern ticket clerk saying otherwise of course. That then counts as an 'authorisation to travel' as per railway byelaws, but I'd want a bit more to rely on than, "The person in the ticket office said....."  |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2011, 20:58:35 » |
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Hmmm, ok, fares have now been ipdated since the ladt time I checked very early yesterday on these apps! There's noy a super off-peak for ^20, as well as a 1st class option for ^57ish! Very strange. I canno longer get that ^24.60 either at those times.
Re the 10p fares. If Chiltern knew about this fare, you'd expect them to have dealt with it?! Its been there for at leadt two editions of the NFM▸ to my knowledge, and the Chiltern's fare wizard didn't express knowledge about it when sent a copy of the ticket.....
As such, I can't see how Choltern can refuse to issue it when it is being advertised for sale - the NFM is a public document, and we are nboth in agreement that the fare wasn't input by accident.
So it stands as a 'proper' fare by my reckoning, and one should be able to obtain it as 'advertised' in the NFM and on TVMs▸ and apps.
I don't doubt your explanation as to how it happened though.
Re via MYB▸ , the lass @ Banbury queried her ticket machine and vonfirmed that it definitely was valid via there. How thatbinterrogates the routimg manual I don't know, but there was no doubt being shown by the ticket seller.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2011, 23:18:53 » |
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It won't let me buy the 5p fare. LM▸ and CH websites reject my (credit and debit) card. EC say that the "minimum total purchase cost" is 50p. Surely it is unacceptable for a ticket reseller to refuse to allow purchase of a single ticket!
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2011, 23:28:40 » |
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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2011, 23:38:41 » |
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If only all TVMs▸ would let you buy the ticket. I'm too embarrassed to ask for one at a ticket office. I could "enquire"...
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2011, 08:09:58 » |
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Since Virgin Trains put up prices on XC▸ (befrore Arriva took over), many South West to the Midlands or North East journeys have become Cheaper going via London.
However in many many cases going from Devon or Cornwall to the Midlands, North East North West or Scotland you can save Money by rebooking at Cheltenham Spa.
Eg Plymouth to York ^141
However
Plymouth to Cheltenham ^39
Cheltenham to York ^72
Total ^111 Saving ^30
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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2011, 08:18:36 » |
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I've now got a confirmation number for my 5p ticket. Ready to be collected this afternoon with my other tickets. Of course, purely for souvenir value.
Considering this error was present in NFM08, NFM09 and now in NFM10, I find it surprising that a fix hasn't yet been implemented.
Editted to add that I am now the proud owner of a perfectly valid ticket for travel between Haddenham and Wendover (or any intermediate stations). Now, how to get to Haddenham by 0230 tonight to use my ticket...
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 11:01:52 » |
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Pure insanity! Totally agree, but it's in neither the TOCs▸ or DaFTs» intersts to sort this out, it's easier to sell an anytime, any permitted route ticket at maximum price, leave the errors in the fares manual and hope n ot too may people go to trouble of finding these ridiculous fares. After all Hadenham and Thame Parkway to Wendover is not exactly a journey a large number of people make however if it is via Marylebone and allows a reasonable break of journey then it's a good way of getting from Thame to London. without going to Wendover. Although did I pick up a hint from our fares gurus that an anytime any permitted route may not be valid on certain trains or am I just paranoid? |
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 11:30:07 » |
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I've now got a confirmation number for my 5p ticket. Ready to be collected this afternoon with my other tickets. Of course, purely for souvenir value.
Considering this error was present in NFM08, NFM09 and now in NFM10, I find it surprising that a fix hasn't yet been implemented.
Editted to add that I am now the proud owner of a perfectly valid ticket for travel between Haddenham and Wendover (or any intermediate stations). Now, how to get to Haddenham by 0230 tonight to use my ticket...
The Cheapest Railway Ticket I've got (stored somewhere) is a Pay Train ticket paid to the Gaurd for a Single from Gateshead to Newcastle, in 1973 I think. Only shame is that it looks more like a Bus ticket but the price was ?? Any Guesses |
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2011, 11:52:12 » |
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Although did I pick up a hint from our fares gurus that an anytime any permitted route may not be valid on certain trains or am I just paranoid?
There is no restriction code shown against this ticket, which means it is valid on any train through a permitted route. I've just ordered another ticket for 5p, this time a SDS from Haddenham to Stoke Madeville. Also ordered a Wendover to Haddenham ticket for two people with a Two Together Railcard. I can't see this lasting long, so you get two souvenir tickets for the price of one! |
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2011, 22:18:37 » |
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Perhaps the Dail Mail article was corect. It appears that this cheap fare has been AXED!Appalling...  |
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2011, 00:21:53 » |
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I've now got a confirmation number for my 5p ticket. Ready to be collected this afternoon with my other tickets. Of course, purely for souvenir value.
Considering this error was present in NFM08, NFM09 and now in NFM10, I find it surprising that a fix hasn't yet been implemented.
Editted to add that I am now the proud owner of a perfectly valid ticket for travel between Haddenham and Wendover (or any intermediate stations). Now, how to get to Haddenham by 0230 tonight to use my ticket...
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2011, 07:47:13 » |
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collected from bedhampton?
Yes. Now my regular collection point as it is on the way to Tesco! |
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