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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 22:18:34 » |
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Commuter (? - looked like one!) gets in at Aldermaston, sits beside me, falls asleep.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 23:21:04 » |
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Being inspectors they will be "floating", they wont just be sitting in Bristol all day.
Excellent news, vacman!  I do hope that they will be on board just as many of the various services to Weston-super-Mare as they can manage, this summer holiday? |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2011, 23:54:58 » |
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Being inspectors they will be "floating", they wont just be sitting in Bristol all day.
Excellent news, vacman! I do hope that they will be on board just as many of the various services to Weston-super-Mare as they can manage, this summer holiday? You wouldn't possibly be suggesting that the residents of Weston-super-mare and visitors alike are more prone to avoiding paying a fare are you Chris  Honestly, have you not been to Weston recently? |
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 00:18:30 » |
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No, I'm not suggesting that at all, devon_metro. I'm merely pointing out that many of those travelling to WSM in the off-peak will not have had the opportunity to buy their 'GroupSave', or indeed any other tickets with ready cash, if they join the train at Bedminster, Parson Street or Nailsea & Backwell - and they will no doubt welcome the opportunity to do so, from a very friendly FGW▸ RPI▸ on board the train ...  And yes, I have been to Weston recently (by train). Your point is ... ?  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2011, 15:02:29 » |
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Apologies Graham  shouldn't base responses on speed reading. Ok I'm also surprised that you were 'puzzled'. I'm sure I'm not the only one who plays 'guess the scammer' at peak times. Even if as you say there had been an announcement that there were going to be gates at Paddington not everyone without a ticket suddenly mobbed the guard by making their situation know at the earliest opportunity (or words to that effect) I suspect he wasn't the only one. There are certainly queues still at Bristol to pay before the barriers, although I'm unsure whether there are less now that the very welcome new RPO's have been in operation.  |
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vacman
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2011, 15:13:12 » |
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No, I'm not suggesting that at all, devon_metro. I'm merely pointing out that many of those travelling to WSM in the off-peak will not have had the opportunity to buy their 'GroupSave', or indeed any other tickets with ready cash, if they join the train at Bedminster, Parson Street or Nailsea & Backwell - and they will no doubt welcome the opportunity to do so, from a very friendly FGW▸ RPI▸ on board the train ... And yes, I have been to Weston recently (by train). Your point is ... ? Not really an RPI's job to sell tickets! thats what the guard and ATE's are for, their job is to detect and report fare evasion. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 15:23:29 » |
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And I guess they haven't heard of that 'new' phenomenon called flexible duties?
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2011, 19:30:09 » |
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And I guess they haven't heard of that 'new' phenomenon called flexible duties?
RPI▸ 's do sell tickets where necesary but it isnt their primary function, an RPI is paid more than double the salary of an ATE so if FGW▸ were just wanting more ticket sellers then they would have employed ATE's! |
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 23:40:17 » |
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Indeed, but RPIS ought to sell if needed too, but I fully understand ATEs aren't trained or paid to be RPIs▸
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2011, 19:37:53 » |
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I saw One chap who I Guess was trying it on a few years Back.
Was HST▸ London-Plymouth stopper, Tickets were checked between Reading & Westbury, I thought no more off it but after Westbury Tickets were done again on the "any tickets from Westbury to be seen shout" however the Train Manager asked to see this chap's ticket, (I guess he had a Reading-Westbury one) who then paid for a Full Single Westbury-Castle Cary, however he remained on the train after Castle Cary and was made to Pay for another Full Single Ticket Castle Cary-Taunton.
I reckon that's an EXPENSIVE way to getr around.
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2011, 10:20:55 » |
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Just to add a little to the debate. As a guard based in the west for some years, I can count on one hand, the number of days I have worked where at least one passenger has not attempted a ticket fraud of some kind.
It is not always possible for a TM‡, (or conductor on the busiest routes), to cover the entire train in an area where there are frequent stops. Enter the ATE, who will mop up and generally ensure that revenue is maximised. To a large extent, this discourages fare evasion, but there remains a stubborn core of potential offenders.
The primary function of an RPI▸ is to target and combat ticket irregularities. Initial processing of suspected offenders is a time consuming business. Paperwork to complete, address/ID checks and quite possibly a brief interview under caution. RPIs are flexible however and do assist when possible, with ticket sales and customer service.
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2011, 10:27:03 » |
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As a guard based in the west for some years, Is there a policy on doing a full ticket check? On some West of England services when there is a staff change at Exeter or Plymouth the incoming TM‡ does a complete check of all tickets even if they have been done earlier in the journey while on others it is the usual shout of "Passengers joining at Exeter/Newton Abbot/Totnes etc please"... |
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2011, 15:24:08 » |
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Old BR▸ instructions that I have seen mandate a complete ticket check every time guards changed en route. I don't know if that instruction still stands, but I can see how on journeys where there are several changes of crew en route guards may choose to exercise some discretion to avoid irritating passengers unduly.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2011, 15:26:28 » |
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No, there is no 'policy' on ticket checks. The guard decides what is the best use of his time and after a brief handover discussion with the outgoing guard will decide whether a full ticket check is appropriate or whether a 'tickets from xxx' is the best way to go. Believe it or not, if you do a full ticket check people can be very unpleasant if they've already been asked once,twice or more to show their tickets. I know the terms and conditions state you must show your ticket whenever asked but sometimes it's best not to start off a journey with an argument!
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2011, 21:42:53 » |
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rpi's do sell tickets ... after the penalty fair to the next station they can also have a ticket to the destination :-P
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