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153s also have less power than 150s, 155s, 156s and 158s so for that reason that can't run routes that have steep gradients such as Buxton-Manchester, which is also a route that 14xs aren't permitted to run.
Not a question of power, as the engine is the same. It's the extra 4 tonnes per vehicle (compared to a 150) that makes them slow of the mark. 2x 153 is marginally quicker than a single due to frontal aspect versus installed hp ratio, but it don't make much difference. |
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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2011, 19:02:25 » |
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Do you really think the 185 seating in standard class is suitable for 4 hour journeys? Most people have had enough of it after 2 hours.
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2011, 10:27:17 » |
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Do you really think the 185 seating in standard class is suitable for 4 hour journeys? Most people have had enough of it after 2 hours.
Yes. By "most people" I assume you mean the people that you read whining about it on rail forums, not actual passengers. Pretty lazy to assume that "most people" agree with you if you can't actually back that comment up. So from your comments am I correct in assuming you've either done Manchester Airport to Edinburgh or Liverpool to Newcastle on a 185? If not how can you say the seating is acceptable for 4 hours of travel? I'll have to take a voice recorder with me on to a 185 for evidence of passengers not being happy with the 185 seating but I've got ^1 for everytime I heard someone on a TPE▸ service commenting on the seats being hard I'd be able to travel on TPE without using any of my own money as long as I kept off the 170 operated services. |
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2011, 13:03:50 » |
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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2011, 16:45:17 » |
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Preston to Edinburgh for me on a 185. I weren't uncomfortable either. I even dozed off.
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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2011, 17:02:57 » |
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I've only done Windermere to Preston. No chance of dozing off due to the continuous automated announcements!
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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2011, 19:09:13 » |
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Preston to Edinburgh for me on a 185. I weren't uncomfortable either. I even dozed off.
Related to the point IndustryInsider makes if you dozed off you must doze off easily. Ignoring the 185 seating there are a lot of automated announcements even between stations, the doors on the 185s slam when they close, the doors also close automatically after a couple of minutes so can slam three or four times at one station, plus there's the conductor coming through shouting "tickets please" usually followed by the person with the refreshments trolley. |
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2011, 19:13:21 » |
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...you must doze off easily.
Yes. Sure-fire trick works for me. It's called a very long day travelling and red wine! A combination that can have unexpected consequences. Like having to spend the night in Brum after missing Brizzle! |
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I've done Glasgow to Manchester using TPE▸ - didn't bother me in the slightest Bristol Edinburgh. 220/1 are NOT repeat NOT designed for this sort of journey. And if you would like to discuss it calmly don't speak to me the next time I do it. |
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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2011, 22:06:08 » |
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I've done glasgow to Preston on a 185 and thought it was pretty comfortable!
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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2011, 23:22:53 » |
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I've done Glasgow to Manchester using TPE▸ - didn't bother me in the slightest Bristol Edinburgh. 220/1 are NOT repeat NOT designed for this sort of journey. And if you would like to discuss it calmly don't speak to me the next time I do it. You must think I'm crazy then, as I'd like to do the 08:28 from Penzance to Glasgow Central - just for the sake of doing it  |
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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2011, 23:56:20 » |
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Isn't Plymouth to Aberdeen a longer journey?
Of course there's the definitely longer 0820 Aberdeen to Penzance XC▸ service. 13h22m on a Voyager. Hmm.
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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2011, 23:59:55 » |
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Of course there's the definitely longer 0820 Aberdeen to Penzance XC▸ service. 13h22m on a Voyager. Hmm.
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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2011, 00:03:37 » |
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You're on yer own, Ollie. I'd rather go East Coast to London then FGW▸ on proper trains thanks.  |
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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2011, 09:40:09 » |
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Maybe some of the ideas here together you can get a solution that most people will be happy with.
New 7 car mk5 trains replace Voyagers on XC▸ routes.
Voyagers replace 185s on TPE▸ routes.
185s continue to run TPE's Manchester-Hull service displacing 170s.
42 185s and 9 170s are then available directly or indirectly to various operators for extra capacity.
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