Stock cascade of class 150s

[whole diary]

[tramway]

150001 and 150126 moved this weekend from.   Pretty sure that is now the completed transfer.    SWT^▸ (South West Trains) 158 no longer working the afternoon Brighton.

swt 158 still on hire, but reverted back to it's former Gol;den Valley Diagram.   According to SWT Carriage Workings until December next year !!!   Still if this can be agreed between the 2 Companies even taking into accouint hire charges. FGW^▸ (First Great Western) have an extra Unit unobtainable through DaFT^» (Department for Transport - critical sounding abbreviation I discourage - about)

That might be why the 07.23 Warminster Malvern was only 2 car today, was full and standing from Trowbridge. It normally had the SWT 158 with it.

[phile]

I am not 100% certain on this one but perhaps the 07 23 Warminster should now be a 3 Coach formation following the forming of 158960 and 158961.   Perhaps a member from within could confirm.

[JayMac]

Here is a table I've compiled of the strengthened services operating through Bristol Temple Meads as from 12th December. This information has be gleaned from another rail forum and tidied up by me. The original source for the info was from FGW^▸ (First Great Western)'s Director of Communications and appeared to have some time errors which I've fixed based on current Journey Planner info.

I've no idea of the the actual TOPS^▸ (Total Operations Processing System) numbers for the units though. They would be liable to regular change anyway.

Looking at those timings its obvious some other services will also be strengthened. The service out to Severn Beach that forms the inbound 0720 will logically also have 3 carriages.

I also can't see that the return working of the 1700 Cardiff - Taunton is likely to leave a carriage behind at Taunton.

I make no claims to the 100% accuracy of the table above.

[phile]

I hope that we are not going to see another Dec 2006 scenario as a result of the Cascade.    I believe that the 07 23 Warminster to Great Malvern mentioned earlier was for med by 158960 but with a Carriage missing, i.e.
2       08 23 Portsnouth Harbour to Cardiff today observed with 2 coaches only (158766)
 

[inspector_blakey]

How? The Dec 2006 problems were caused by the withdrawal and storage of a large amount of rolling stock. I'm really not sure how you propose that FGW^▸ (First Great Western) will achieve a similar result with a net increase in vehicles. 

[phile]

Day to day availabity issue, probably.

[tramway]

I am not 100% certain on this one but perhaps the 07 23 Warminster should now be a 3 Coach formation following the forming of 158960 and 158961.   Perhaps a member from within could confirm.

158950 this morning.

Not my favorite service due to the innordinate amount of time it sits in BRI^» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains) for, so any further info on this diagram will be quite limited.

[phile]

I should just like to know if 07 23 Warminster is now booked a 3 Car 158 or not following the formation of 158960 and 158961 as it appears to have created some controversy.   Anybody got the answer, please ?   Thanks in anticipation

[JayMac]

Surely that would rely on this newly formed 3 car Class 158 always being diagrammed on that particular service?

Should the question not be whether the 0723 from Warminster is be a 3 car service regardless of the stock used?

To answer that I can only refer you to the table upthread, where the 0723 from Warminster is not included in the list of strengthened services. Maybe it's one that FGW^▸ (First Great Western) should've considered strengthening. I don't know, not having travelled on it. You can of course ask FGW.

It should be remembered that rolling stock provision on a particular service is always going to be at the mercy of what is and isn't available on a particular day. That holds true even in the case of the services FGW have said are to be strengthened.

[phile]

Thanks.    Seems strange though to have been reduced a previous 4 coach well loaded train.

[phile]

On furthet reflection, even if Units are allocated on the day according to availability, the 3 Coach and 2 Coach 158s are diagrammed separately to services so that is why I have been wondering about the actual diagram itself.     Or just a "clanger"  in reducing the formation as has been indicated.

[fatcontroller]

The 0723 goes on to form the 1051 Great Malvern - Brighton hence the formation being 3-cars in order to strengthen the  Brighton service.


There are no 2-car 158 diagrams anymore as they should all have been 3cars by now.

The 0723 may be a coach short but there are other services around the same time that are now a lot bigger.

[grahame]

The 07:11 Gloucester to Swindon, now 3 carriages.  150 + 153, I believe.

Question - what happens to the second unit from Swindon - does it strengthen the Stroud Valley all day, or get taken off somewhere to come back into play in the evening peak?

[anthony215]

The 07:11 Gloucester to Swindon, now 3 carriages.  150 + 153, I believe.

Question - what happens to the second unit from Swindon - does it strengthen the Stroud Valley all day, or get taken off somewhere to come back into play in the evening peak?

If it sits in Swindon all day then perhaps it could be used to provide a  regular service between Swindon & Westbury  providing there are paths etc available.

[dog box]

Nothing sits in Swindon , and not strictly true 2O00 is diagrammed 2 car 158 utilising the SWT^▸ (South West Trains) Hired set