Is it time to campaign for an Open Access Operator in The GW area

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[vacman]

The figures you quote are from 2005/2006 when there were 8 trains per day in the summer, i'd like to see 2007 figures!

[Btline]

It's the same story on a lot of summer services with reagards to revenue collection, the hourly service on the Looe branch didn't really work because it was clock face and was timetabled so that it missed some mainline connections by about 2 minutes sometimes! I certainly don't agree with the earlier post by someone saying that Looe should be shut! It may not be the busiest branch but it is still used and there is usually a handfull of people on each daytime service. As for Alastair Darling, well, I couldn't possibly say what I think of him here because it would be a personal attack! 

Please let me clarify:

I do not want Looe to be shut!!!!!!!!

I was mearly saying that if Totnes and Whitby should be shut, then Looe should be anyway.

I hope it does not happen!

Sorry for misunderstandings!

[Lee]

The figures you quote are from 2005/2006 when there were 8 trains per day in the summer, i'd like to see 2007 figures!

So would I, but they are not "officially" out yet. Perhaps RichardB can help out on this?

The ORR^» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) Station Usage link can be found below.
http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/nav.1529

[oooooo]

The figures you quote are from 2005/2006 when there were 8 trains per day in the summer, i'd like to see 2007 figures!

The 2007 figures surely will show as drop. Several reasons 1) The first service from Newquay runs fast Quintrel Downs to Par, thus not allowing day trips from SCR, ROC^▸ (Rail Operating Centre - a centralised location for railway signalling and train control operations for a specific route or region), BGL, LUX to anywhere on the mainline. 2) The peak months saw the late afternoon return from NQY^▸ (Newquay (Station)) run by a HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) not calling at the shacks. 3) The shacks never have a summer Saturday service.

And you wonder why the numbers are so low!!

[Lee]

1) The first service from Newquay runs fast Quintrel Downs to Par, thus not allowing day trips from SCR, ROC^▸ (Rail Operating Centre - a centralised location for railway signalling and train control operations for a specific route or region), BGL, LUX to anywhere on the mainline.

I am glad somebody else has noticed this, because what Jacobs recommended in their "final" franchise report for the SRA^» (Strategic Rail Authority - about) was the closure of all the halts except Quintrel Downs.

The service in question called at all stations in the December 2006 timetable, but has run fast from Quintrel Downs to Par since May 2007.

[vacman]

1) The first service from Newquay runs fast Quintrel Downs to Par, thus not allowing day trips from SCR, ROC^▸ (Rail Operating Centre - a centralised location for railway signalling and train control operations for a specific route or region), BGL, LUX to anywhere on the mainline.

I am glad somebody else has noticed this, because what Jacobs recommended in their "final" franchise report for the SRA^» (Strategic Rail Authority - about) was the closure of all the halts except Quintrel Downs.

The service in question called at all stations in the December 2006 timetable, but has run fast from Quintrel Downs to Par since May 2007.

Quintrell is about the quietest station on the line these days, however, all up trains have to stop there to operate the level crossing barriers, with SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) the summer HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) services should really call at Bugle!

[oooooo]

1) The first service from Newquay runs fast Quintrel Downs to Par, thus not allowing day trips from SCR, ROC^▸ (Rail Operating Centre - a centralised location for railway signalling and train control operations for a specific route or region), BGL, LUX to anywhere on the mainline.

I am glad somebody else has noticed this, because what Jacobs recommended in their "final" franchise report for the SRA^» (Strategic Rail Authority - about) was the closure of all the halts except Quintrel Downs.

The service in question called at all stations in the December 2006 timetable, but has run fast from Quintrel Downs to Par since May 2007.

Quintrell is about the quietest station on the line these days, however, all up trains have to stop there to operate the level crossing barriers, with SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) the summer HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) services should really call at Bugle!

Yes trains ex NQY^▸ (Newquay (Station)) have to stop at Quintrel to wait for the barriers but QUI is easily the quietest station on the branch. The first train ex NQY runs fast QUI to PAR to help maintain the tight connection with the up Paddington service as its amazing how you loose time by stopping at a couple of shacks.

Bugle has the most potential, its well situated in an ever expanding village, summer HSTs should call, the SDO guide says Bugle can hold five carriages so no reason why on earth they couldnt try it out this summer....

[devon_metro]

Something like this then?

http://southwest-railways.50webs.com/Nqy-Par.htm

[oooooo]

Something like this then?

http://southwest-railways.50webs.com/Nqy-Par.htm

I'd retime your 19:20 ex Par back 20 mins to maintain connection with 15:05 ex PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains)< could still return at 20:35. Nice idea, like the Bugle stop on the HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))!!

[Lee]

1) The first service from Newquay runs fast Quintrel Downs to Par, thus not allowing day trips from SCR, ROC^▸ (Rail Operating Centre - a centralised location for railway signalling and train control operations for a specific route or region), BGL, LUX to anywhere on the mainline.

I am glad somebody else has noticed this, because what Jacobs recommended in their "final" franchise report for the SRA^» (Strategic Rail Authority - about) was the closure of all the halts except Quintrel Downs.

The service in question called at all stations in the December 2006 timetable, but has run fast from Quintrel Downs to Par since May 2007.

The first train ex NQY^▸ (Newquay (Station)) runs fast QUI to PAR to help maintain the tight connection with the up Paddington service as its amazing how you loose time by stopping at a couple of shacks.

Not in the same language I know, but the potential time saving was pretty much Jacobs reasoning for closing some of the intermediate stations.

Dont get me wrong, I am not necessarily saying that something untoward is going on here, merely that it is yet another interesting coincidence.....

[devon_metro]

Something like this then?

http://southwest-railways.50webs.com/Nqy-Par.htm

I'd retime your 19:20 ex Par back 20 mins to maintain connection with 15:05 ex PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains)< could still return at 20:35. Nice idea, like the Bugle stop on the HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units))!!

Ah yes, was simply trying to replicate the previous xx20 working, as I hate changing them 

1505 is hardly the most punctual train in the world anyway!

[Graz]

Something like this then?

http://southwest-railways.50webs.com/Nqy-Par.htm

^ Well done with that, looks like a fitting summer timetable for connections to Par and all the intermediate stations. It's certainly high time the stations were given the chance of a decent service to see what that would do to the passenger numbers. I too am very interested in the HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) stop at Bugle!

I've always thought that Newquay deserves a decent summer weekday service as not everyone goes on holiday just at the weekend.

[devon_metro]

Its not the quantity of trains I wanted. I wanted them to not be at obscure times and to connect onto other trains aswell as provide good morning and afternoon connections, to schools.

[Graz]

Do you think that the stations should get a service at Saturdays when XCs^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) and HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) operate along the route? (Assuming the St Ives route hasn't opened). I think so, but it's a matter of whether they can be timed to fit in with the long distance trains.

[devon_metro]

I think Newquay is pretty much at Capacity during summer saturday. Perhaps stops at Bugle could be made by FGW^▸ (First Great Western) HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) though.