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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2011, 11:13:30 »

Fares for FGWs (First Great Western) Club 55 are starting to appear in booking engines. (Well, East Coast has them.....)

It appears that the Club 55 prices are going to be ^20 Standard, ^35 First, for journeys short of the Network area. For example Swansea-Swindon, Penzance-Westbury. Same price applies for journeys wholly inside the Network area. For example Oxford-Paddington, Newbury-Slough. The Cotswold line has the lower price points from as far out as Pershore to Paddington. From Worcester Shrub Hill and beyond the higher Club 55 fares apply, as below.

For journeys from outside the Network area to inside the prices are ^35 Standard, ^55 First. For example Plymouth-Paddington, Cardiff-Reading, Hereford-Maidenhead.

For Disabled and Senior Railcard holders these prices are reduced by 21% to ^15.80 & ^27.65 Standard, ^27.65 & ^43.45 First.

Time restrictions appear similar to current Off Peaks (SVRs) except out of London/Reading where it looks like travel is barred between 1600-1930 which is almost the same as the Super Off Peak (SSR) bar.



E&OE. I've only gleaned this information from interrogating one booking engine. More official information will no doubt follow in the coming days....
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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2011, 11:38:22 »

Club 55 and other special offers SHOULD always be Quota controlled, maybe also ONLY avaiable through the Internet or by Telly Sales.

What is the point of cheap offers like Club 55 at a booking office window?

To many times I've been in Booking Halls to see someone enquire about tickets, and then walking out with Club 55 tickets, at a Fraction of the price they expected to Pay:
It's not NEW business to the Railway, more like the TOC (Train Operating Company)'s SHOOTING themselves in the foot.
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« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2011, 16:27:10 »

This could potentially be counter productive if the lower tier first tickets are removed as these prices may be what attracts irregular travellers with comfort and reasonable prices. By all means I'm all for club 55 but when other tickets are cheaper tickets are sacrificed to accomodate this then it is relatively unfair to the majority considering a number of users will no doubt qualify for a senior citizens railcard offering lower priced travel anyway. Don't mean to sound like the older generation should not be allowed offers but would it not make sense to try attract younger people to the railway to get them to use it for a large number of years?

Edit: By younger people I mean anyone up to 50 who still have a relatively large amount of time potentially working so could be attracted to rail for means of commuting, work purpouses etc.
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« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2011, 06:52:54 »

The National Rail Travel Survey has a very interesting graph (page 21) showing useage of trains by age and gender.  See here. Also see the table on pages 22 that sets out the data (though not by gender) in figures.

The age breaks chosen on the graph and table make it very difficult to read the data and compare ages - there's a 15-year category from 45 to 59, followed by a 5-year catergory from 60 to 64, making comparisons difficult.  And there's no break point at 55, making the data provided unclear except as a trigger for discussion as to the case for Club 55.  However, I'm sure that First and the other TOCs (Train Operating Company) have their own survey figures which are more granular.

I note ...

* 26% of train users are in the 45 - 59 group, but only 3% in the 60 - 64 group and I speculate that the split might also be made as follows
   20 - 25 13%
   25 - 29 11.5%
   30 - 34 11.5%
   35 - 39 11%
   40 - 44 11%
   45 - 49 11%
   50 - 54 10%
   55 - 59 5%
   60 - 64 3%
   65 - 69 2%
(I have split out other combined groups too on a best estimate).

* Trips by female passengers drop off significantly from the 25 - 34 group to the 35 - 44 group and only change a little from the 35 - 44 group to the 45 - 59 group, even though that latter group covers a 50% wider age bracket.

It therefore seems appropriate within the marketing ethos / maximise income philospohy of commercial operation that encouragements should be made to retain the business of a group of people who are at a time of change in their lives which has historically resulted in a big drop in their rail travel. 

Readers may take the view:
(a) that the railways should encourage more income and useage in this way, and build / retain business from the older generations.
(b) that the railways have quite enough customers and shouldn't need to make effort for more, especially from those who dues to age may on average need more help / assistance / support.
(c) that a trip by train from "A" to "B" should cost everyone the same, just as a loaf of bread does

The evidence of NRTS suggests that Club 55 is a sensible step for view (a) and - to some extent - for view (c), where all we need now is a scheme for 25 to 55 British residents who don't travel with children or on one specific route. Then all the hotch-potch of schemes could be combined into one nice loyalty card ...
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« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2011, 09:04:05 »

What about a Bahn Card!

http://www.bahn.com/i/view/DEU/en/prices/germany/bahncard.shtml

Bahn 50 is also cheaper  for Young People and Over 60s

You can order on line and print out a provisional card.

You can also collect Bonus Points.

Probably too simple for the UK (United Kingdom).
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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2011, 15:41:55 »

Life isn't fair - all companies make offers like this to age-delimited groups....
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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2011, 18:56:18 »

Info from my source..
On sale from the 12th for travel from the 19th but will not be quota controlled, can be bought on day of travel, same as last year
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« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2011, 21:09:20 »

Only in as much as the First Advsmce ticket quota dropped to accomodate sales of Club 55....
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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2011, 19:40:28 »

Club 55 website up and running.

http://www.club55.co.uk/

A welcome return to the stylised Turbostar with its wrong way round windscreen!
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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2011, 20:19:57 »

Valid in the seating section of the sleepers, both ways, says a staff update.
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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2011, 21:24:56 »

....and in the berths on payment of normal supplements
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« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2011, 21:51:22 »

Club 55 website up and running.

http://www.club55.co.uk/

A welcome return to the stylised Turbostar with its wrong way round windscreen!

Only snag is it links to the FGW (First Great Western) site to buy tickets and the option isnt listed on the railcards and discounts section.  Not that I qualify (yet)!
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« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2011, 22:27:02 »

You need to enter journey details before you see the Club55 fares. They are special fares not a discount type.
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« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2011, 22:45:54 »

Give it four and a half years and I'll try! Grin
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« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2011, 22:58:09 »

Two and a half years to go for me - and I'm already trying (no clever comments, please!)  Grin
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