Crossrail/Elizabeth Line. From construction to operation - ongoing discussion

[whole diary]

[broadgage]

The TfL^» (Transport for London - about) argument is that toilets will be available within nearly all Crossrail stations and for the others they are facilities nearby (eg for Paddington in the main line station and Bond Street in the shopping centre above). However, some people will be in more urgent need, and outside of emergencies the current low service frequencies makes breaking the journey unattractive.

And will these toilets be reliably available for use, throughout railway operating hours ?
I expect that a lot of them will be closed due to;
Essential maintenance.
Staff shortage.
Vandalism.
Water supply failure.
Security alert.
Some might never actually open, with a promise of toilets gradually turning into a future aspiration that is being "worked towards"

And of course the possibility of station toilets wont help during multi-hour strandings that seem to be an increasing part of modern railway operations.

[Reading General]

The Elizabeth Line is a Metro service, the DfT^» (Department for Transport - about) have determined that metro services do not require toilets, many other services into London do not have toilets on board trains

I guess the DfT have failed to recognise that as well as a service into London it's also a service to London for those beyond the city's outer limits. It's more than a metro service.

[didcotdean]

The previous generation of trains operating the service on the eastern side, ie Liverpool Street to Shenfield didn't have toilets, but they were in effect an inner-suburban configuration even though the journey time end to end can be up to three-quarters of an hour. Indeed the generation before that didn't have toilets either, at least for what would then have been second-class passengers.

The counter-example is the continued provision of toilets on Thameslink, but TfL^» (Transport for London - about) hasn't got its hands on that.

[Red Squirrel]

As a bit of an aside, why do we refer to Crossrail as 'the biggest infrastructure project in Europe' when the EUR38 billion Grand Paris Express, with its 200km of tunnels, is plainly bigger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjuMcWwMqPk

It'll be interesting to see if they manage to avoid some of the pitfalls of Crossrail...

[broadgage]

Perhaps the title "biggest infrastructure project in Europe" is to prepare us for when the cost escalates to such a degree that it BECOMES the biggest infrastructure project in Europe, at least in terms of cost.

I expect that the Paris project will also increase in cost, but not as rapidly as Crossrail, so Crossrail could overtake it.

[Electric train]

As a bit of an aside, why do we refer to Crossrail as 'the biggest infrastructure project in Europe' when the EUR38 billion Grand Paris Express, with its 200km of tunnels, is plainly bigger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjuMcWwMqPk

It'll be interesting to see if they manage to avoid some of the pitfalls of Crossrail...

It should be remembered that from the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) point of view Europe now consists of only 4 nations, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland 

[stuving]

As a bit of an aside, why do we refer to Crossrail as 'the biggest infrastructure project in Europe' when the EUR38 billion Grand Paris Express, with its 200km of tunnels, is plainly bigger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjuMcWwMqPk

It'll be interesting to see if they manage to avoid some of the pitfalls of Crossrail...

It should be remembered that from the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) point of view Europe now consists of only 4 nations, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland 

I though it was the other way round - Crossrail can't be the largest anything in Europe, as we're not part of the continent of Europe any more. So I wonder, what are we now - the incontinent of Europe?

[Red Squirrel]

...we're not part of the continent of Europe any more...

Ah well, if a clod be washed away by the sea and all that.

I note that the Grand Paris Express doesn't claim to be the biggest in Europe. That's because it's the biggest in the world. And its father doesn't smell of elderberries.

_{Edit: Correction: Mothers don't smell of elderberries.}

[TonyK]

It should be remembered that from the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) point of view Europe now consists of only 4 nations, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland 

... at the time of writing.

[smokey]

It should be remembered that from the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) point of view Europe now consists of only 4 nations, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland 

... at the time of writing.

More correctly,  the United Kingdom view is that Europe is OVER the Water!

[broadgage]

"Channel fogbound, ferries and planes at a standstill. Europe isolated" Said to be an old newspaper headline.

[Electric train]

"Channel fogbound, ferries and planes at a standstill. Europe isolated" Said to be an old newspaper headline.

Except now there is TransManche Link  which is not effected by fog

[TonyK]

Except now there is TransManche Link  which is not effected by fog

Steady now, ET! I got in trouble for coming over all French. I expected a ?50 fixed penalty.

[grahame]

From Sky News

Crossrail, London's long-delayed ?19bn east-to-west rail link, faces being "mothballed" without the release of urgent new government funding, the capital's transport chief has warned ministers.

Sky News has learnt that Andy Byford, the London transport commissioner, wrote to the permanent secretary at the Department for Transport (DfT^» (Department for Transport - about)) this week, seeking ?80m of immediate support to keep the project on track.

Mr Byford, who took on the role in May and has spent much of the last six months battling to secure funds to keep London's bus and Tube network running during the COVID-19 crisis, told Bernadette Kelly that without the additional funding being provided, he could relinquish responsibility for it.

"If agreement is not reached this week, we will have no option but to mothball the project and to seek alternative governance for its eventual completion," the letter said, according to a Whitehall source who had been briefed on it.

[grahame]

And from the RMT^▸ (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers)

RMT Press Office:

As speculation grows that Crossrail could be mothballed RMT demands Government stop using TFL^▸ (Transport for London) and its workers as a political football.

Responding to reports that the Capital's Crossrail line could be mothballed without immediate funding transport union RMT today called on the Government to stop using TFL as a political football.

RMT General Secretary Mick Cash said:

"What's happening between the Government and TFL is nothing short of a disgrace. As we approach next year's London Mayoral Election it's clear the Government are using TFL and our members as a political football and rather than stick to their pledge of "Building Back Better" they're starving TFL of vital funds and playing games with worker's livelihoods.

"London transport and its workforce are vital to the economic recovery from Covid-19 and RMT will not be afraid to do whatever is necessary to protect our member's jobs and livelihoods"