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« Reply #1020 on: April 17, 2018, 15:25:46 » |
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Oh dear. As widely predicted by those with experience of these things..... http://www.cityam.com/284143/rollout-new-elizabeth-line-trains-stalls-heathrow-branchRollout of new Elizabeth Line trains stalls on Heathrow branch due to train signalling troubles
The rollout of new Elizabeth Line trains on the Heathrow branch of the Crossrail route has been delayed because testing them with the new signalling system has been complex, and taken longer than expected.
... As you say, predictable, which makes it pure Hofstadter's Law. As a reminder: "Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." |
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« Reply #1021 on: April 17, 2018, 17:51:47 » |
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Oh dear. As widely predicted by those with experience of these things..... http://www.cityam.com/284143/rollout-new-elizabeth-line-trains-stalls-heathrow-branchRollout of new Elizabeth Line trains stalls on Heathrow branch due to train signalling troubles
The rollout of new Elizabeth Line trains on the Heathrow branch of the Crossrail route has been delayed because testing them with the new signalling system has been complex, and taken longer than expected.
... As you say, predictable, which makes it pure Hofstadter's Law. As a reminder: "It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law." And the railway factor time scales are logarithmic |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #1022 on: July 29, 2018, 10:03:51 » |
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It is anticipated that Crossrail services will start using the core in December, with the introduction of Abbey Wood to Paddington services. Whilst this is to be taken with a pinch of salt, a ghost timetable has been published onto the open data feeds, which may well give an indication of the level of service from December. To summarise, this suggests the first service will be at 05:40, followed by 05:48, 05:56, 06:00, and then every 4 minutes until 22:45 when services start to wind down, with some terminating at Whitechapel with final services at 23:45 to Abbey Wood and 23:53 to Whitechapel Heading Westbound, the first arrivals at Paddington would be the 06:05 from Whitechapel, 06:13 from Custom House, 06:21 from Whitechapel and 06:29 from Abbey Wood. Services every 4 minutes from Abbey Wood until 23:41, with services then winding down to every 8 minutes with the last service arriving Paddington at 00:26. Full Service at PaddingtonExample Eastbound ServiceExample Westbound Service*Note to mods, why is the Crossrail thread in "Across the West", and not in "London to Reading" along with the 387 thread? |
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« Reply #1023 on: July 29, 2018, 10:22:36 » |
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It is anticipated that Crossrail services will start using the core in December, with the introduction of Abbey Wood to Paddington services. Whilst this is to be taken with a pinch of salt, a ghost timetable has been published onto the open data feeds, which may well give an indication of the level of service from December. To summarise, this suggests the first service will be at 05:40, followed by 05:48, 05:56, 06:00, and then every 4 minutes until 22:45 when services start to wind down, with some terminating at Whitechapel with final services at 23:45 to Abbey Wood and 23:53 to Whitechapel Heading Westbound, the first arrivals at Paddington would be the 06:05 from Whitechapel, 06:13 from Custom House, 06:21 from Whitechapel and 06:29 from Abbey Wood. Services every 4 minutes from Abbey Wood until 23:41, with services then winding down to every 8 minutes with the last service arriving Paddington at 00:26. Full Service at PaddingtonExample Eastbound ServiceExample Westbound Service*Note to mods, why is the Crossrail thread in "Across the West", and not in "London to Reading" along with the 387 thread?This should lead to a good start allowing the new core stations to shake down, also by limiting it to Padd - Abbey Wood the only interaction with the National network will be for ECS▸ from OOC▸ |
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« Reply #1025 on: July 29, 2018, 12:43:25 » |
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Look at the journey times
Tottenham Court Road 4 mins
Farringdon 7 mins
Liverpool St 9 Mins
Canary Wharf 16 mins
vs Tottenham Court Road 12 mins (with a change) vs Farringdon 15 mins vs Liverpool Street 20 mins vs Canary Wharf 23 mins (with a change) |
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« Reply #1026 on: July 29, 2018, 13:05:30 » |
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Look at the journey times
Tottenham Court Road 4 mins
Farringdon 7 mins
Liverpool St 9 Mins
Canary Wharf 16 mins
vs Tottenham Court Road 12 mins (with a change) vs Farringdon 15 mins vs Liverpool Street 20 mins vs Canary Wharf 23 mins (with a change) Yes, I've seen these figures quoted. I don't know where they get them from. I've never managed Tottenham Court Road from Padd in 12 mins using either the Bakerloo and changing at Oxford Circus or doing the 'Lancaster Gate Shuffle' and Central Line. OK I'm far from the first flush of youth though I can manage a brisk walk  Similarly I can't recall getting from Padd to Farringdon in 15 mins and Liv St in 20. Kings X/St Pancras is 15 on a good run, and more like 20 to Farringdon and 25 at least to Liv St. I think I've managed under 30 mins from Canary Wharf to Padd via Baker St but that was a noteable exception (and to be fair, the Jubilee Line is fast) |
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« Reply #1027 on: July 29, 2018, 13:55:36 » |
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These were figures that I produced (I'm sure an official set are somewhere) using the TFL▸ Journey Planner. 12 minutes to Tottenham Court Road would require a minimum connection at Oxford Circus but is certainly doable. 15/20 minutes to Farringdon/Liverpool Street are correct and is verified by the TFL Working Timetables, but does quite often seem longer when you have to wait at Edgware Road and then at Baker Street for a minute or two.
Baker Street to Canary Wharf is 18 minutes so perhaps around 25 from Paddington rather than 23
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« Reply #1028 on: July 29, 2018, 14:26:37 » |
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« Reply #1029 on: July 30, 2018, 08:14:28 » |
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Look at the dwell times. It will never work..... Depends on whether the 1000+ people without seats: "Move further Down the Cars. |
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« Reply #1030 on: July 30, 2018, 15:54:50 » |
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Similarly I can't recall getting from Padd to Farringdon in 15 mins and Liv St in 20. Agreed. The Circle/Hammersmith and City from PAD» is notoriously slow through Edgware Road, and especially at Baker Street, where you often get held for Metropolitan Line trains joining/crossing ahead. Not unusual in my experience for Liverpool St. to be close on 30 mins from PAD. It will be full from day 1 as so many people have been waiting for it for so long. 16 mins to Canary Wharf vs. about 35/40 minimum (whichever way you do it) today is going to be very welcome (and popular). |
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« Reply #1031 on: July 30, 2018, 17:32:47 » |
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It will also be popular with those people on the existing services who will no longer have to share trains with those ramming the Crossrail service.
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« Reply #1032 on: August 01, 2018, 11:18:39 » |
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It will also be popular with those people on the existing services who will no longer have to share trains with those ramming the Crossrail service.
Indeed, it's going to be very interesting to see how ridership changes and for example what percentage of the Jubilee Line traffic going eastbound from north of the Thames going to Canary Wharf switches to Crossrail, and how quickly. I suspect that Lancaster Gate station will be a lot quieter, as the people who walk from Paddington to catch the Central Line hop onto Crossrail. Likewise it's going to be interesting to see how many Reading commuters switch to Crossrail for a direct service. Comfort vs convenience I guess. |
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« Reply #1033 on: August 01, 2018, 11:35:55 » |
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I'm quite keen to know how many of the fast services from Maidenhead and Twyford will survive. At the moment I'm not sure Crossrail works for my personal commute but it may be its the only option. Talking to regulars on my train most plan to keep with the fast GWR▸ services and tube (even if that becomes picking up Crossrail at Paddington).
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« Reply #1034 on: August 01, 2018, 11:44:02 » |
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Indeed, it's going to be very interesting to see how ridership changes and for example what percentage of the Jubilee Line traffic going eastbound from north of the Thames going to Canary Wharf switches to Crossrail, and how quickly. I suspect that Lancaster Gate station will be a lot quieter, as the people who walk from Paddington to catch the Central Line hop onto Crossrail.
Going to be interesting to see what effect it has on the Central line as well. Might make it usable again. |
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