ICE3 at STP.

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[SDS]

I know the ceremony will be the 19th Oct at STP. But has anyone got any idea of times? Theres nothing in TRUST^▸ (Train Running System TOPS) for it but then I only have access to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) land so it prob wont show me the 'sensitive' trains on SE

[devon_metro]

If you are looking for STP then that might explain why it doesn't show. International departures are from SPX.

[SDS]

STP - Meaning St Pancras generally. It wouldn't show on STP or SPX anyway as I don't have a TRUST^▸ (Train Running System TOPS) login that shows international trains.

[willc]

I gather it is very early in the morning, as they want to make a splash on breakfast TV and radio.

[johoare]

Just to humour me.. and anyone else that might not know.. What is ICE3 please?

[Toiletdriver]

A train that will embarass Branson and certain TOCs^▸ (Train Operating Company).
An EMU^▸ (Electric Multiple Unit) with 1st and 2nd class, compartments and open accomendation.
Full resturant service, buffet area and a trolley service.
Seats that mainly line up with windows!!!
And if on the later build ICE trains, the driver might let you watch through a window into the driving cab.
An absoultely disgusting and horrible modern train!
http://www.seat61.com/Germany.htm  and scroll down for pictures.

[grahame]

I think this is one

[johoare]

Thank you.. So are they aiming to run these from St Pancras? or the ceremony is for something else? Sorry if I've missed something posted elsewhere on this.. I've been a little bit more than busy 

[Toiletdriver]

Yes Graham, you have the right picture.
DB^» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about) wish to run London to Koln, Frankfurt etc trains.

[anthony215]

I know the ceremony will be the 19th Oct at STP. But has anyone got any idea of times? Theres nothing in TRUST^▸ (Train Running System TOPS) for it but then I only have access to FGW^▸ (First Great Western) land so it prob wont show me the 'sensitive' trains on SE

Hi

I have had the times emailed to me.

The ICE3 is expected to arrive into St Pancras International at 03:00  on tuesday where it will stable in platform 5 til late evening before being hauled back through the tunnel.

 If you are planning on photographing it then be warned as it is on the international platforms you will have to photograph through the glass screen.

[SDS]

Any chance of you PMing those times to me?

[eightf48544]

An absoultely disgusting and horrible modern train!

Couldn't agree with you more!  Recently spent 11 hours on them from Paris Est to Saarbrucken (1st) and Brussels to Frankfurt (2nd) both return it was absolute hell!

Comfortable seats in both classes the only diffence is size and leg room out back in open  in first , 2nd out in open back in compartment. seats line up with windows. Wide corridors buffet with draft beer at seat meals in 1st.

Good ride. Speed indicator we only got up to about 325 so not full 330.

Fantastic brakes we came to stand from 100 mph plus in less than a mile.

168 kilometre in an hour Frankfurt Cologne, then took an 11/2 hr from St. Pancrs to Padd (tube strike)

As I say  absolutely appaling trains if DaFT^» (Department for Transport - critical sounding abbreviation I discourage - about) has any sense they will take one look at them and ban them.

[tramway]

They are so bad even Eurostar are buying them. 

From Wikipedia

Eurostar e320
 
Eurostar 320-branded Siemens Velaro at its press launch in London On 7 October 2010, it was reported that Eurostar had selected Siemens as preferred bidder to supply 10 Velaro e320[21] trainsets at a cost of ^600 million (and a total investment of more than ^700 million with the refurbishment of the existing fleet included)[22] to operate an expanded route network, including services from London to Cologne and Amsterdam.[23] These would be sixteen-car, 400 metres (1,300 ft) long trainsets built to meet current Channel Tunnel regulations, and would not be the same as the eight-car 200m Velaro D sets which Deutsche Bahn wants to operate to London.[23] The top speed will be 320 km/h and they will have more than 900 seats.[21]

As the ICE3 is going to be dragged through the Tunnel it will be interesting to see how DB^» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about) get on with thier attempts to get the authority to run.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/news/single-view/view/db-prepares-for-channel-tunnel-tests.html

Although from the same family (Velaro) as the e320 I'm sure certification of the ICE3, if it comes, can only help towards clearance of the e320, likely to save a bob or 2 on the e320 bid don't you think.

Unless Siemens/DB are considering their own order for e320's.

[grahame]

I'm finding it a little hard to understand what the big danger is in running a 200m long train rather than a 400m long one ... I *think* I can appreciate the need to have an evacuation route, etc, but isn't there already a lot more provided for escape than in (say) a 153 from Roman Bridge to Blaeneau Ffestinog?   How does the Channel Tunnel's case stack up against domestic tunnel cases such as that example?


(See CF508 at http://www.prar.fsnet.co.uk/Class_153_Diagrams_2H06_v1.html )

Edit to add ... I noted those diagrams were all pairs of 153s ... but here is a link to a picture of a single 153 that I searched out to assure myself that they will go through the tunnel as singles.

http://www.dilan4.com/pictures/gogcymru/trenbet.jpg

[eightf48544]

I think the perceived danger is that a 400 metre train will always stop beside an escape door thus passengers detraining will have a train beside them on the whole length of their walk.

With a shorter train there is chance that it won't stop by a door so passengers will have to walk on a fairly narrow platform with no protection to prevent them falling onto the track.

Clapham Common in the peak!