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« on: September 22, 2010, 10:31:57 »

A good spot by the Fact Compiler over at the the Railway Eye blog:

http://railwayeye.blogspot.com/2010/09/pointless-signs-bristol-temple-meads.html

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 21:58:32 »

These signs have been there for a while.  They went up after a someone was running down the stairs and tripped and died.  An understandable attempt to try and stop it happening again i think.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 22:02:50 »

Indeed: see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/3732807.stm

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William Huskisson MP (Member of Parliament) was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830.  Many more have died in the same way since then.  Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 23:02:41 »

Whilst of course I have sympathy with everyone involved in that incident and their families, you really can't legislate for every possibility like this by slapping signs all over the place.

Stairs are something which the majority of people use many times a day...that's why we get complacent and don't necessarily look where we're going. Sticking a sign on the wall telling you how to negotiate the stairs doesn't help anyone:  if they're distracted, they're not going to read it, and indeed it may even create an additional hazard when someone turns to read a fairly detailed notice on a busy stairway.

Accidents happen, sadly, end of story. Whilst signs like the one depicted may be erected with the best of intentions (or then again they may just be mindless backside-covering based on a flawed interpretation of health and safety legislation) they achieve nothing and just contribute even more to an excessive "information overload" situation. Can you really imagine a situation in which someone's running for their train, but then stops to read the patronizing notice posted by the stairs and decides to walk slowly and carefully, whilst holding the handrails? No, neither can I.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 02:35:33 »


That incident was over 6 years ago, but the signs on the stairs are a fairly recent addition.
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 13:13:00 »

I could not agree more with Blakey's post above!
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 14:14:21 »

I seem to remember that there's some similar signs at Bristol Parkway (I don't go there very often), but that there's a wide set of stairs with no central handrail, which makes the "hold the handrail" message fairly pointless.

More generally, is there any rule about how wide a stair can be before it needs a central handrail?
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 18:19:20 »

Indeed: see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/3732807.stm

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No problem.  Roll Eyes Wink Grin

I only posted that particular link to reference a source for the sad story about the stairway fatality at BRI» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains).  I agree that the introduction of those signs on the stairs is, unfortunately, rather unlikely to catch the attention of anyone who is already distracted by searching for their ticket as they hurry for a train.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 20:21:55 »

Is thaks to the ambulance chasers!
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2010, 09:34:52 »

As soon as someone justifies a sign like this on stafety grounds they are automaticaly implying that all other stairs without signs are dangerous. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 11:14:39 »

There is an abundance of over punctuation on that sign.  It looks horrible.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 12:44:46 »

There is an abundance of over punctuation on that sign.

On the contrary, they've left out the comma between 'SLIPS' and 'TRIPS'... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 14:18:26 »

There is an abundance of over punctuation on that sign.  It looks horrible.
I think the misuse of capital letters doesn't help either.  Why has "the" on Lifts not got a capital whereas "The" on Stairs has?  And what makes Lifts and Stairs special enough to have capital letters?
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 23:53:34 »

I'm glad that the minutia of the grammar on said sign has caught the attention of forum members. I was extra careful today when traversing the stairs at Temple Meads, although I have to admit that I held on to neither handrail. (Well maybe only briefly...)

Now has the sign's message been taken in? Stairs are apparently very dangerous things, despite most of us having them in our houses.

Grammatically or otherwise, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!  Roll Eyes Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2010, 03:35:48 »

There is a sign on the Disabled Toilet on platform 3 at Temple Meads, which resembles something along the lines of:

"This door must be kept shut at all times"

Bit of an own goal there, Just how are you ment to get into the thing exactly if the door is to remain closed at all times...?! Grin
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