Fare dodgers targeted at [WsM] station (Weston Mercury 4/8/10)

[whole diary]

[paul7575]

I think there is a conflict with the 2002 PF^▸ (Penalty Fare) rules (available via the DFT^▸ (Department for Transport)'s website), which do say clearly that you can't be PF'd for using a restricted train.

6. An authorised collector must not charge a penalty fare to a person whose ticket is not valid only because of a published restriction, as described in condition 12 of the National Rail Conditions of Carriage.

I think it depends on the subsection 12 (b) - ie how 'some types of discounted tickets' is defined, and this is the weak area.

Does it mean all tickets other than Anytime Single/Return? Because if it does, then 12 (a) is a waste of space.

By the way, there's a new ticketing leaflet out - I wonder if that makes it any clearer? Er... No

http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/National%20Rail%20Guide%20to%20Tickets%20-%20June%202010.pdf

Paul

[JayMac]

One major hint in the "Other hints to help you save money" box in that leaflet is missing..... split tickets.

A 14 page leaflet to explain our 'simple' fares structure.... 

[Brucey]

One major hint in the "Other hints to help you save money" box in that leaflet is missing..... split tickets.

And "buy a ticket to and from stations that you have no intention of travelling through" as it may be cheaper than a direct ticket.

[inspector_blakey]

I think there is a conflict with the 2002 PF^▸ (Penalty Fare) rules (available via the DFT^▸ (Department for Transport)'s website), which do say clearly that you can't be PF'd for using a restricted train.

6. An authorised collector must not charge a penalty fare to a person whose ticket is not valid only because of a published restriction, as described in condition 12 of the National Rail Conditions of Carriage.

I think it depends on the subsection 12 (b) - ie how 'some types of discounted tickets' is defined, and this is the weak area.

Does it mean all tickets other than Anytime Single/Return? Because if it does, then 12 (a) is a waste of space.

By the way, there's a new ticketing leaflet out - I wonder if that makes it any clearer? Er... No

http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/National%20Rail%20Guide%20to%20Tickets%20-%20June%202010.pdf

Paul

Hmm...still makes it sound like you could be got for incorrect use of an Advance though, since that appears to be covered by condition 10, covering tickets that are TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company)-specific.

[smokey]

I just wonder how much is lost to the Railway industry due to Free Loaders, I state this as I was on a FGW^▸ (First Great Western) HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) going to Plymouth (Argyle playing at home) and I heard a Punter state fairly loudly that he Travelled Daily between the Two Stations we had just passed through Every Day for Three years and in that time he brought a ticket only when challenged and that was just TWICE. ,

Allowing For Holidays, Bank Holiday and  Weekends I make that twice in roughly 680 days. Note his starting station is UNstaffed.

But it's still 99.5% uncollected funds.

[vacman]

you can technicly be PF^▸ (Penalty Fare)'d for Advance on wrong train as in this instance you would be treated as having NO ticket under the Advance ticket conditions, you can also be PF's for no railcard and for an out of date ticket but not for example using a super off-peak on an anytime train, you should be excessed up to the Anytime ticket.