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« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2011, 11:09:18 »

So what's the plan with Aynho's flyover? I travelled through it last week and there is no sign of them coping Northolt with a new Down Fast parallel to the Up. The work looks almost over and yet my down train had to slow right down over the junction.

Wasn't the plan to get the speed up to (or as near to) 100?

After months of sitting on top of the track in the Aynho Up Goods Loop, the 'Down' direction crossover has only just been installed, and a 30/50 speed restriction is in place as usual when a new crossing or track is installed.  The speed will then be 85mph.

The 'Up' direction crossover was installed months ago and the speed is now 90mph in that direction.

The new 40mph crossovers north of Aynho junction have still to be completed. The one allowing movements from the Up Main to the Down Bicester line has yet to receive its connection on the Up Main bit - and there's no sign of it on site ready to be installed either - despite the signalling being in place for it.
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« Reply #76 on: July 28, 2011, 11:24:06 »

What's the plan with Neasden Junction? Havn't been that way much - trains are being diverted to Paddington. Such a problem, crowds of people arriving on the Northern platforms, no idea where they are!

Neasden is being reconfigured so that MainLine is 'straight on', and the Met is a 'right turn', the opposite of what's now.
Chiltern do need a staff member on that PLatform 14 @ PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains), I agree.

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Can't wait to travel on the new 6.07pm departure from Marylebone to Kidderminster - only stops seven times and takes 2 hrs 20 mins! Now there's a company that understands the need for an express! Passenger numbers will soar, and commuters and leisure travellers - no off peak restrictions - will target that train (which will be loco hauled) to come home.

Don't you think that all the Leisure travellers will nick the seats from the peak passengers then? Because I do. The train isn't going to be long enough. They've also just announced a staggering 51.5% in the off-peak return fare - from ^33 to ^50 wef 4 September & the new TT....

That might reduce the Leisure cram in school holidays!
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« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2011, 11:35:32 »

After months of sitting on top of the track in the Aynho Up Goods Loop, the 'Down' direction crossover has only just been installed, and a 30/50 speed restriction is in place as usual when a new crossing or track is installed.  The speed will then be 85mph.

The 'Up' direction crossover was installed months ago and the speed is now 90mph in that direction.

The new 40mph crossovers north of Aynho junction have still to be completed. The one allowing movements from the Up Main to the Down Bicester line has yet to receive its connection on the Up Main bit - and there's no sign of it on site ready to be installed either - despite the signalling being in place for it.

...and of course the 40 mph crossovers aren't really needed for normal day to day operations, so there's every likelihood that their absence won't actually prevent Chiltern/Network Rail declaring that the project is complete.

BTW (by the way) do you have the yellow peril drawings for Princes Risborough yet?

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« Reply #78 on: July 28, 2011, 12:12:51 »

I do.....and they differ from those Chiltern provided me previously - so a sort of apology is necessary. I was mis-informed.

NR» (Network Rail - home page) have indeed made that through line bi-di - but with a 25mph speed limit, it isn't going to get much use - using it will block the up line out of Risborough too (there's no ditrect connection from down main to through line)
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« Reply #79 on: July 29, 2011, 11:41:21 »

Subsequent discussion on the new fares structure for Chiltern has been split off into a new topic in Fare's Fair:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9286.msg95442#msg95442
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« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2011, 12:01:20 »

Good idea -sorry to complicate matters when you were splitting by posting again!
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« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2011, 14:20:24 »

Well, Phase 1 of Evergreen 3, or Chiltern Mainline as they have christened it, commencing with their new timetable tomorrow.  Some very impressive schedules and I'll be taking a trip on one of the 'Silver' trains (i.e. loco-hauled) when I get the chance from Birmingham Moor Street to Marylebone. 

I hope they've managed to get rid of all the Temporary Speed Restrictions in force since the completion of the upgrade work last weekend, or the trains haven't got a hope in hell of doing Banbury to Marylebone all day in just 52 minutes, or Marylebone to Warwick Parkway in just 1 hour 09 mins!  I will also be keeping a keen eye on how much their always impressive punctuality figures drop as a result of these timings. 

It would be nice if regular travellers (ChrisB, Btline?) on the route can keep us updated with how the trains are loading and performing?
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« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2011, 15:50:14 »

Can do. On the press launch run tomorrow.

Hope they've solved the signalling problems thry had all last week in the beaconsfield area! Also on the 0540 from Warwick Pway on Monday
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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2011, 16:05:23 »

I'll report back in a couple of days!! Which train is the press launch? Is it a public one? I'm not going to bother with the business zone. At 1hr 15 from Warwick - Chiltern are going to extend their catchment area!

Are all the TSRs (Temporary Speed Restriction) off now? I hope they are by Monday. Perhaps someone with twitter could ask them...?

Chiltern have AXED dozens of stops - so many I'm foaming at the mouth! Shame we still have to stop at Birmingham...
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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2011, 16:09:36 »

It does seem so south of Banbury at least. Haven't ventured north for several days now.

Disgruntlement at those cut stops from those affected, especially in the peaks though....
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« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2011, 18:25:59 »

There's a piece in the Bucks Free Press about Chiltern's new service at their local stations and I think it's safe to say folks aren't happy.

I tried (and failed for some reason - copy 'n pasting a url on an iphone doesn't seem to work very well), but go to their site & search for Chiltern.

I'll post the link when next at a PC. meanwhile it states at the end of said article that Chiltern are delaying their January increases to March 2012.
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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2011, 18:43:55 »

Why can they run the fastest trains to HW in the evening but not in the morning? Is it because the morning peak is less spread out? Perhaps they'll eventually 4 track the Ruslips and add in loops at Gerrards Cross and Beconsfield to help things.

I just hope the line speeds are ready in time, otherwise it'll be chaos!
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« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2011, 18:47:19 »

Stopping patterns are different, possibly for the reasons you gave. Also, thr Ruislip loop is in a different place on the down.
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« Reply #88 on: September 03, 2011, 19:26:17 »

Thanks, ChrisB: the particular link you tried to include was this one, I think: http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/9230383._Not_all_aspirations_met__for_new_timetable__rail_firm_admits/
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« Reply #89 on: September 03, 2011, 19:48:05 »

Why can they run the fastest trains to HW in the evening but not in the morning? Is it because the morning peak is less spread out? Perhaps they'll eventually 4 track the Ruslips and add in loops at Gerrards Cross and Beconsfield to help things.

I just hope the line speeds are ready in time, otherwise it'll be chaos!

Four tracking through the Ruislips gives no significant advantages over the current provision, unless they ever needed to overtake more than one service in the same direction at once at that location.  The functionality provided is of passing loops in both directions - the fact that the loops are at two different stations is pretty much irrelevant to their operations as far as I can work out.

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